Bale Shears

Fermec

Hi Folks, I Am Considering buying a bale Slice/Shears for Feeding Bales for Next Winter. Just Picking yere Brains as to Which is the best Make/Model To Go for?... I Know the Tanco one Seems to be around the Longest, But Recently iv noticed Keltic have Brought out one aswell, & its a Totalially difference Principal...?... These are Expensive Pieces of Equipment, So its somthing id want to get Right, Thanks in Advance.:)....

49801

Fermec wrote: »

Hi Folks, I Am Considering buying a bale Slice/Shears for Feeding Bales for Next Winter. Just Picking yere Brains as to Which is the best Make/Model To Go for?... I Know the Tanco one Seems to be around the Longest, But Recently iv noticed Keltic have Brought out one aswell, & its a Totalially difference Principal...?... These are Expensive Pieces of Equipment, So its somthing id want to get Right, Thanks in Advance.:)....

Keltec looks good but it is a heavier tool more suited to a digger than a tractor loader. I'd go for the tanco

Fermec

Thanks, the Keltic seems to cut up from the Bottem, Where as The Tanco cuts from the Top Down, I Prefer the Look of the Tanco myself, It Looks Simpler.
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bogman_bass

if you are going into a feeder wagon the keltec looks more reliable. also it would go into a round feeder easier because the cut bale doesnt roll forward like the tanco

vanderbadger

TaNco is a great tool, bit of a knack to using it. Not perfect, leaves a bit of nett behind occasionally or sometimes plastic breaks wrong but in the main I find it great plus it can be used as a grab for moving dung etc. it's very heavy, half ton without bale. Need good tractor loader and by rights need a weight on back. Keltec I'd say will never leave nett or plastic behind but looks clumsier to my mind

limiter12

If i was in the market, i would buy neither. Keltec' machine is a brute and i dont like the position of the rams on tanco machine which cuts using the annulus side of the ram providing less cutting force. I would however seriously consider this http://www.goeweil.com/index.php?lang=en&Itemid=1151. This machine is on the market since 2002 and is a proven design as illustrated with your man in "unique inventions" using it as the inspiration for his own machine. Plus it has a better plastic gripping mechanism than both machines referenced.

Conor556

OCE make them now aswell

http://www.ocengineering.ie/index.php?cmsID=3208

vanderbadger

limiter12 wrote: »

If i was in the market, i would buy neither. Keltec' machine is a brute and i dont like the position of the rams on tanco machine which cuts using the annulus side of the ram providing less cutting force. I would however seriously consider this http://www.goeweil.com/index.php?lang=en&Itemid=1151. This machine is on the market since 2002 and is a proven design as illustrated with your man in "unique inventions" using it as the inspiration for his own machine. Plus it has a better plastic gripping mechanism than both machines referenced.

Girlfriends dad has the goweil but didn't realise that mechanism was available, it's a very good device alright, spreads the bale very well

severeoversteer

what about the rohan bale slice?

Muckit

I see R&M buckets have gotten in on the action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ltrz0Dwk51g


They all seem to be the same design more or less.... were some of these machines not patented??

vanderbadger

Muckit wrote: »

I see R&M buckets have gotten in on the action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ltrz0Dwk51g


They all seem to be the same design more or less.... were some of these machines not patented??

well the keltec one is kinda the same thing in reverse so i guess thats how they got around it, dont know about the rest

severeoversteer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKr2kxW2JBo

the bale is definitely typical of this years bales, i thought it would just burst

Muckit

Do you remember stinger bars? I'd say those bales would give the cattle eating them a similar taste experience!

Fermec

Thanks for all the Replies & information, The OCE Machine seems handy with the Bucket, but Looks Awkard, The Goweill one i had never Heard of & it Looks Like the Best So Far, Any idea of Prices, & Who Sells them in Ireland?.. Im Down in Cork.

Fermec

Also forgot to Mention, I Wont be Feeding into Round Feeders, We have a Head feed with a Straight Bar, my only Fear is Silage will be pulled in!! But i suppose if the Bale is cut in Half this wont be as much of a Problem...

49801

Fermec wrote: »

Also forgot to Mention, I Wont be Feeding into Round Feeders, We have a Head feed with a Straight Bar, my only Fear is Silage will be pulled in!! But i suppose if the Bale is cut in Half this wont be as much of a Problem...

make em reach for it and they wont pull as much in.

F.D

Fermec wrote: »

Thanks for all the Replies & information, The OCE Machine seems handy with the Bucket, but Looks Awkard, The Goweill one i had never Heard of & it Looks Like the Best So Far, Any idea of Prices, & Who Sells them in Ireland?.. Im Down in Cork.

Think Lely ireland are Distributers for goweil not sure who there dealers are

iverjohnston

You might find yourself having to put in diagonal bar feeders, as if your cattle are like mine, they will pull in yards of it. Never had a problem with precision chop. At least if you go with diagonal barriers, it will stop a bully cow working her way along beating other cattle away.

grazeaway

Fermec wrote: »

Also forgot to Mention, I Wont be Feeding into Round Feeders, We have a Head feed with a Straight Bar, my only Fear is Silage will be pulled in!! But i suppose if the Bale is cut in Half this wont be as much of a Problem...

Are you feeding bales at the mo? If so how, and if your not having problems with pulling now you shouldn't have them with a shear?

That said we do notice that they will drag in the silage if it right up against the barrier, and we always have one that'll just grab and fire it over their heads.

Fermec

No Were Feeding Pit @ the Moment, The Reason im thinking of going down the all Bales Route is, i can Cut, Rake & Stack myself, & the other Reason would be,you have Little to No Waste with Bales! Well in my Experence anyway. If iv to go Replace the Headfeed with a Diagonal Bar, Thats More Cost again tho!..

Fermec

Our Head Feed is 45 ft Long . & 18 ft wide, we feed across the Bottem aswell.

grazeaway

Fermec wrote: »

No Were Feeding Pit @ the Moment, The Reason im thinking of going down the all Bales Route is, i can Cut, Rake & Stack myself, & the other Reason would be,you have Little to No Waste with Bales! Well in my Experence anyway. If iv to go Replace the Headfeed with a Diagonal Bar, Thats More Cost again tho!..

Well there is less waste in the bales but there is more cost. Having looked at going back to pit myself but would need to build a new slab. Tend to split up when I cut the bales over the year so don't do it all in one go.

Barriers have come down in price it seems. If you are doing pit do you have a shear grab? Spotted this the other day. Good sharp blade and no need for a new bit of kit.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GsFTAHzipPk

Juniorhurler

I don't get the whole waste on a pit thing. If it is rolled and sealed right there won't be a couple of grabs of waste on a pit and it is a whole lot cheaper to make at anything over 8 bales to the acre by my calculations.

I should say we make our silage in a pit, not just on a slab.

grazeaway

Juniorhurler wrote: »

I don't get the whole waste on a pit thing. If it is rolled and sealed right there won't be a couple of grabs of waste on a pit and it is a whole lot cheaper to make at anything over 8 bales to the acre by my calculations.

I should say we make our silage in a pit, not just on a slab.

Yipp less waste in a pit, but ours is old and I'd be worried to fill it and roll it with the big loaders around these days so a slab would be cheaper. Could justify a pit as an add on to a new shed/wall. But not right now.

Irishmale

Yeah, just use the shear grab like in the video. Does a fine job and much cheaper. Feeding eight bales in fifteen minutes with mine with plastic and wrap separated and all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsFTAHzipPk

Fermec

My Shear Grab, is Pretty Wrecked, it Hasnt "Sheared" in about 2 Years , Thats why im Thinking of Changing..

vanderbadger

Fermec wrote: »

My Shear Grab, is Pretty Wrecked, it Hasnt "Sheared" in about 2 Years , Thats why im Thinking of Changing..

go to youtube there, there are plenty of videos of the different brands in action, even the goweil one is up there

F.D

Get the bales chopped enough when baling, would surely cut out the need for and bale slice just shake it a little with the dung fork once the wrap and net are off it will pretty much fall apart anyway, and also solve the problem of stuff getting dragged in on the slats

Fermec

Will the Contractor put in Extra Knives if i ask him?, Just for my Job!...

49801

Fermec wrote: »

Will the Contractor put in Extra Knives if i ask him?, Just for my Job!...

not bloodly likely:D

F.D

Fermec wrote: »

Will the Contractor put in Extra Knives if i ask him?, Just for my Job!...

Worth asking, I had a contractor do my bales with a 17 knive welger and as soon as you took the wrap off the bale would fall to bits, now i am using a friend who has a krone with 13 i think which is not as short but the key is to make sure the contractor or whoever has them sharp, added bonus is you get more in a bale so less bales, so even if you have to give him a little extra to ensure its chopped with more knives you will save in the long run

Fermec

I See, When you say 13 & 17, Thats the amount of Knives ya? My Contractor has a Mcale Fusion, But i also have another contractor with a JD Combi, I Want to Keep in with Both of them, If you Know what i mean

F.D

Fermec wrote: »

I See, When you say 13 & 17, Thats the amount of Knives ya? My Contractor has a Mcale Fusion, But i also have another contractor with a JD Combi, I Want to Keep in with Both of them, If you Know what i mean

yes i mean 13 or 17 knives i think there is even balers with 25 but like i said what ever machine it is make sure there all sharp, he has them all in position and you should see the results, know of several people around here that will make them lads with combis let them have a look at the bale before he wraps it just to be sure

grazeaway

Fermec wrote: »

My Shear Grab, is Pretty Wrecked, it Hasnt "Sheared" in about 2 Years , Thats why im Thinking of Changing..

New Bale shear is about €4500, new shear grab is about half that. If you get a new shear grab you could do both. It could you let you jump from pit to bales as you see fit.

de stig

bale shear is €3500 approx keltec slice is €3700 approx inc vat. i know cos i bought both! both are the same weight pretty much. found the tanco a good machine until the tines wore and the bales were out of shape! bought the keltec one then,took a while to get used to it but no problem with any type of bale since (2yrs done now) keltec a bit dearer but far more reliable

limiter12

Both machines are well over priced in my opinion.

severeoversteer

how many bales you feeding stig

de stig

every machine is overpriced unless you make enough use of them? winters ae gone so long now in this country youd need someting to stay sane! overpriced or not i wouldn't do without it now

de stig

severeoversteer wrote: »

how many bales you feeding stig

just shy of 4k last year. normaly between 3-3.5k. havent done a pit for a while find bales easy to budget,ideal grass management,no polution worries,better feed quality so i dont need people telling me to revert back to it

grazeaway

de stig wrote: »

just shy of 4k last year. normaly between 3-3.5k. havent done a pit for a while find bales easy to budget,ideal grass management,no polution worries,better feed quality so i dont need people telling me to revert back to it

jaysus thats a serious amount of bales. do you find much of a difference cost wise in making it and do you find thats off set by the feed quality?

use all bales and have started to do a couple of small cuts when fileds get too strong but would consider going back to pit if the stock numbers were big enough

de stig

itsmore expensive but not much as i cut often rather than bulk crops(average crop of 6 chpped bales/acre) but it definetly makes for better feed. im looking into buying a variable chamber combi (lely tornado) to cut costs more saves on plastic and transport with a 5' x 4' bale. i rekon it will come in cheaper than pit then

tripperman

im looking at buying one of these not sure which one yet any advice, weight be no problem its going on a teleporter

Greengrass1

tripperman wrote: »

im looking at buying one of these not sure which one yet any advice, weight be no problem its going on a teleporter

Looked at buying one but dont think I will bothet now. Will probably buy a shear grab next yr.
Our system here is open 8 bales toss em out and put them in a pile in corner of pit. Take it out then with tine grab and fill diet feeder

Deepsouthwest

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Looked at buying one but dont think I will bothet now. Will probably buy a shear grab next yr.
Our system here is open 8 bales toss em out and put them in a pile in corner of pit. Take it out then with tine grab and fill diet feeder

Sounds a bit labour intensive, why don't u just break them into the feeder? Or more to the point why don't u put them straight into to cattle? What do u need the feeder for? And before u think I'm anti feeders, I have one!

tripperman

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Looked at buying one but dont think I will bothet now. Will probably buy a shear grab next yr.
Our system here is open 8 bales toss em out and put them in a pile in corner of pit. Take it out then with tine grab and fill diet feeder

that sounds very labour intensive, im feeding 1600 bales a winter and some days can be opening ten bales

agriman27

I like the look of the cashel bale shear, it allows the bale in close to the front loader which would be good for lifting heavy bales, very well made too. I think you'd buy one for under €3000 with brackets fitted

severeoversteer

have a tanco here, mighty job but you have to keep it sharp or its useless if the silage is anyways wet

tripperman

severeoversteer wrote: »

have a tanco here, mighty job but you have to keep it sharp or its useless if the silage is anyways wet

i have dry sillage, but wouldnt it want to be sharp to cut threw the bale, does the plastic tear out of the holder when cut??

Greengrass1

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Sounds a bit labour intensive, why don't u just break them into the feeder? Or more to the point why don't u put them straight into to cattle? What do u need the feeder for? And before u think I'm anti feeders, I have one!

I hate the feeder father loves it.
Not really takes no more than 10 minutes.
Suppose feeder is handy for the winter milkers

severeoversteer

tripperman wrote: »

i have dry sillage, but wouldnt it want to be sharp to cut threw the bale, does the plastic tear out of the holder when cut??

have a good wall to drive the bale against while picking it

hold the bale with in a crowded position and then cut her and she shouldn't tear the plastic

you need a good height of a shed for using it now though, and a decent tractor or teleporter

tripperman

severeoversteer wrote: »

have a good wall to drive the bale against while picking it

hold the bale with in a crowded position and then cut her and she shouldn't tear the plastic

you need a good height of a shed for using it now though, and a decent tractor or teleporter

i have a good teleporter for the job, one shed is open passage and the other is a grant spec with high roof so plenty of space,