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Feedback for New Idea Please!

  • 08-03-2013 10:46am
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭


    Hi guys,

    I have come up with a new idea, and want to get lots of feedback on it first, before I go inquiring too much about building it.

    I don't mind 'giving the idea away' - I'm a big believer in that it is more important to get feedback and to tell people about your idea.

    The idea is this - a website where anyone can ask you a question. The tagline might be:

    QuestionPlace (not the real name)

    'Don't ask anyone, ask someone who knows'.

    This is how it works:

    -You create your own page on the website, takes a couple of minutes. This would be similar to a page on about.me, for example. If your name was Mike Smith, your page would look like this:

    QuestionPlace.com/Mike-Smith

    On your page, you fill in your bio, or import from Twitter.

    Now, let's say you are an authority on social media, or you are a sports coach, or maybe a photographer. There are tonnes of people out there with questions around different topics all the time, and who would love to pick the brain of an expert in the field, or at least someone who works in the area and has lots of experience, etc (and maybe contacts, etc too).

    On the other side of it, this could be a great brand-building and lead generation (although not the primary aim) for those who set up a page.

    Example: someone is a photographer and someone pops on to ask some questions on buying a new camera. Some advice given then maybe turns into a job at the wedding of the cousin of the person who asked the question. Just an example, you could apply it to anything.

    How is this different to asking a q on a forum? On a forum, you don't know who's who, and you can get people just firing up random/silly responses. It's also far less targeted than approaching someone you know is going to know the answer, or at least have plenty of great pointers for you.

    How is this different from Quora or Formspring? Quora - the focus is on the question, and it's more like a forum - people throwing in their tuppence worth, as opposed to directing the question at one particular authority / knowledgeable person.

    Formspring is mainly for fun, and is kind of like Facebook for questions. This idea would be more geared towards sharing knowledge and expertise, and much more geared towards business, hobbies and interests.

    Think about it, where on the internet can you ask a person a direct question?!

    All feedback welcome! :)

    EDIT: If you could add 'Cool Idea' or 'Not so much!' in the subject line of your response, it would be a help! Thanks!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Atomico wrote: »
    Think about it, where on the internet can you ask a person a direct question?!

    yahoo answers
    specialist forums
    ask.com
    AQA
    Linkedin groups

    Lots of places...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    smash wrote: »
    yahoo answers
    specialist forums
    ask.com
    AQA
    Linkedin groups

    Lots of places...

    You mustn't have read my post properly. I said where you can you ask a specific person a question (i.e. not forums, question boards, etc).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Atomico wrote: »
    You mustn't have read my post properly. I said where you can you ask a specific person a question (i.e. not forums, question boards, etc).
    Through specialist forums or Linkedin groups you can ask qualified people the questions you want the answers to. I don't see how you can import a twitter profile to prove you're a knowledgeable person. You'd need a lot of admin on it for both checking the validity of those asking questions and those answering them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    smash wrote: »
    Through specialist forums or Linkedin groups you can ask qualified people the questions you want the answers to. I don't see how you can import a twitter profile to prove you're a knowledgeable person. You'd need a lot of admin on it for both checking the validity of those asking questions and those answering them.

    Yep fair points and something I have though of myself re verifying the profiles. The way Quora do it though is that you sign-up via Twitter or Facebook, etc, so there is a large element of verification that comes with that..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Atomico wrote: »
    The way Quora do it though is that you sign-up via Twitter or Facebook, etc, so there is a large element of verification that comes with that..

    How so? Anyone can open a FB or Twitter account.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    smash wrote: »
    How so? Anyone can open a FB or Twitter account.

    Of course anyone can, and it would be the same with my system. It still brings in a lot more trust and validity when you encourage people to sign up using social channels, when you have people present their identity. Of course there will be those who will be messing around, these will always be a tiny minority though, compared to the number of people using the platform as intended.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Atomico wrote: »
    Of course anyone can, and it would be the same with my system. It still brings in a lot more trust and validity when you encourage people to sign up using social channels, when you have people present their identity. Of course there will be those who will be messing around, these will always be a tiny minority though, compared to the number of people using the platform as intended.

    FB and Twitter are not professional channels (especially FB) so if say, I was an expert in a certain field, I would not like to have my social channels integrates with such a service. If your system allowed 'experts' to join via linked in, and users join via a social channel it would feel like a more professional service to both the users, and the experts.

    This can be done, as skills pages allows you to populate your profile through linked in.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    smash wrote: »
    FB and Twitter are not professional channels (especially FB) so if say, I was an expert in a certain field, I would not like to have my social channels integrates with such a service. If your system allowed 'experts' to join via linked in, and users join via a social channel it would feel like a more professional service to both the users, and the experts.

    This can be done, as skills pages allows you to populate your profile through linked in.

    That's interesting re SkillPages and LinkedIn.

    On the other point, you mean let 'experts' join via LinkedIn, and everyone else joins via social channels?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Atomico wrote: »
    On the other point, you mean let 'experts' join via LinkedIn, and everyone else joins via social channels?

    Exactly. It gives a more professional feel to the site and it validates people as the experts they say they are.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    smash wrote: »
    Exactly. It gives a more professional feel to the site and it validates people as the experts they say they are.

    Very true. I was thinking of having sign-in via Twitter and LinkedIn initially, but leaning more towards LinkedIn now! Gives that professional vibe for sure.

    Do you happen know anything about how easy/hard it might be to build something like this using LinkedIn oauth / verification...?

    See how I could be asking you this question on my site if you had your own QuestionPlaces page??! :)


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    All other feedback very welcome guys...?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Atomico wrote: »
    Do you happen know anything about how easy/hard it might be to build something like this using LinkedIn oauth / verification...?

    See how I could be asking you this question on my site if you had your own QuestionPlaces page??! :)

    The best place to start is probably in here somewhere https://developer.linkedin.com/apis


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    smash wrote: »
    The best place to start is probably in here somewhere https://developer.linkedin.com/apis

    Nice one, thanks for that.

    Are you a bit more sold on the idea now, does it seem more attractive with the LinkedIn verification behind it?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Atomico wrote: »
    Are you a bit more sold on the idea now, does it seem more attractive with the LinkedIn verification behind it?!

    It really depends on the industry. If I had a business question it would be useful to the user and also beneficial to the expert to build contacts, reputation and get recommendations. If I had a problem with my car, I don't know how many mechanics I'd find on linkedin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭Peterdalkey


    Show me the money?!

    It may well be a great idea, and useful too, but is it a great commercial money making idea, can't see it.


    Peter


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    It may well be a great idea, and useful too, but is it a great commercial money making idea, can't see it.

    No, it's more of a project idea in reality. But it's still a useful one.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    smash wrote: »
    It really depends on the industry. If I had a business question it would be useful to the user and also beneficial to the expert to build contacts, reputation and get recommendations. If I had a problem with my car, I don't know how many mechanics I'd find on linkedin.

    Agreed. As I said the intention would be for use as a tool based around business, and also hobbies and interests. So you'd be talking about everything from accountants to social media consultants, and then the likes of videographers, sports coaches, etc.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    Show me the money?!

    It may well be a great idea, and useful too, but is it a great commercial money making idea, can't see it.


    Peter

    They probably said the same about Twitter and Facebook Peter ;)

    No a valid point - but as smash says there, this is more a project concept. My sole aim would be for it to become popular and to be genuinely useful and valuable to lots of people. If it makes money, then great too of course. I could see lots of ways as to how it could, given the right level of traction and usage.

    -A 'contact exchange' system - allow experts to email/contact users for a small fee or after they purchase credits - if a user has indicated interest and has opted in to receiving emails (you would not be opted in by default).

    -Freemium type elements, e.g. become a 'featured member', become more prominent in / appear top of search results when someone searches for an expert, etc.

    Lots of options there..

    Leaving out the money for a minute, do you think it's a good idea Peter - not sure what business you're in, but would you create your own page, if you had the chance, or wanted to broaden your contacts, get out there more, etc?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Atomico wrote: »
    They probably said the same about Twitter and Facebook Peter ;)

    No a valid point - but as smash says there, this is more a project concept. My sole aim would be for it to become popular and to be genuinely useful and valuable to lots of people. If it makes money, then great too of course. I could see lots of ways as to how it could, given the right level of traction and usage.

    -A 'contact exchange' system - allow experts to email/contact users for a small fee or after they purchase credits - if a user has indicated interest and has opted in to receiving emails (you would not be opted in by default).

    -Freemium type elements, e.g. become a 'featured member', become more prominent in / appear top of search results when someone searches for an expert, etc.

    Lots of options there..

    Leaving out the money for a minute, do you think it's a good idea Peter - not sure what business you're in, but would you create your own page, if you had the chance, or wanted to broaden your contacts, get out there more, etc?

    I think you'd need to look at the two highlighted bits together. If the site was making money for you, then why would the experts want to work for free to keep it going?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    smash wrote: »
    I think you'd need to look at the two highlighted bits together. If the site was making money for you, then why would the experts want to work for free to keep it going?

    Well I could only make money if they were getting a value from it to begin with. So the only reason they would be paying for anything would be if the value and return was there for them (being able to contact users, pitch / advertise their services, etc).

    Just as on Facebook, advertisers pay for clicks and attention, and on LinkedIn (actually a perfect example) - people pay for premium subscriptions so that they can contact more people, enable extra features in their account, etc.

    LinkedIn are forever emailing me about their premium subscriptions in fact, as per the above, you also get to email anyone on their platform if you purchase one!


    InMail
    Send a message to anyone on LinkedIn even if you don’t have their contact info, and get a response 4 times more often than if you cold called!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭Peterdalkey


    To be honest I think it is a crap business idea, essentially trying to do a variation of what had already been done. Totally lacking in an innovative step and really nothing compelling in the proposition to make anyone want to pay. LinkedIn is supposed to do that but I don’t think there is a market for a Mother Theresa version.
    LinkedIn is an employees site to a great degree, loads of cvs up there waiting to be approached/headhunted. Most of the industry groups are bull**** selling posts. You don’t see many real entrepreneurs wasting their time on it, but then again they are not looking for a job!

    Other than that if it has a nice name it could make you millions.. or not!

    Cheers

    Peter


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    To be honest I think it is a crap business idea, essentially trying to do a variation of what had already been done. Totally lacking in an innovative step and really nothing compelling in the proposition to make anyone want to pay. LinkedIn is supposed to do that but I don’t think there is a market for a Mother Theresa version.
    LinkedIn is an employees site to a great degree, loads of cvs up there waiting to be approached/headhunted. Most of the industry groups are bull**** selling posts. You don’t see many real entrepreneurs wasting their time on it, but then again they are not looking for a job!

    Other than that if it has a nice name it could make you millions.. or not!

    Cheers

    Peter

    Correct - 'supposed to do that' but doesn't, and is not designed for what I am looking at building.

    Mother Teresa version - not sure what you mean, but this is not a charitable endeavour, the idea would be for it to make money, but not everything is about money Peter - Facebook for example was born out of someone's desire to just build something cool. If you read the posts again you won't see me call it a business idea.

    Not sure you understand how the internet works either :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭Peterdalkey


    Very poor riposte, put your toys back in the pram like a good child.

    Just to help you understand it a little better. One gets lots of requests from linkedin "connected persons" looking to establish communications so that they can sell you something, well then at least we know why they are there! never ever heard of anybody contacting someone to know if they could buy off them.

    Atomico, if you are really under the age of 18, I apologise for treating a minor trying to learn something on the Business and Enterprise forum in such a grown up adult debate manner.

    Cheers

    Peter


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    Very poor riposte, put your toys back in the pram like a good child.

    Just to help you understand it a little better. One gets lots of requests from linkedin "connected persons" looking to establish communications so that they can sell you something, well then at least we know why they are there! never ever heard of anybody contacting someone to know if they could buy off them.

    Atomico, if you are really under the age of 18, I apologise for treating a minor trying to learn something on the Business and Enterprise forum in such a grown up adult debate manner.

    Cheers

    Peter

    The man calls someone's idea a 'crap business idea' and then admonishes the poster for not participating in a grown up manner. Amazing :)

    I don't need to 'understand it a little better' - you are demonstrating that you don't understand what LinkedIn is. It's a place where people make connections, demonstrate expertise, and look for a job. My platform allows people to build their authority and establish their presence in a much more simplified, dedicated way.

    Even celebrities could use it to establish an official channel where fans could ask them questions, they could host Q&A, etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭Peterdalkey


    I will leave it to yourself and smash so, nobody else seems interested.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    I will leave it to yourself and smash so, nobody else seems interested.
    Don't drag me into this. I'm not investing, I'm just offering advice :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    I will leave it to yourself and smash so, nobody else seems interested.

    Well what I find on Boards Peter is that the posters can be a skeptical bunch. Usually if it's obviously not a good idea, people tend to not shy away from saying so, and you get a lot of posts. So you're on your own for the minute anyway, maybe someone else will be along with more constructive feedback :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭RATM


    This idea already exists - www.justanswer.com There are several Irish solicitors & barristers on that site who answer legal questions for €25 a pop. It is far more diverse than that- they have experts that range from BMW/Audi qualified mechanics to aeronautical engineers. I thought myself of doing something similar a couple of years ago but ditched the idea as there is no way I could do it as well as justanswer do. Since then a good few more have entered that space so things are hotting up.

    I do still think there are niches available. The legal one being particulary interesting. People often need a legal question answered but they don't want to go to €100+ worth of solicitors fees to get it answered. That's where sites like Just Answer sweep in. If you could take the Just Answer model and localise it to Ireland for legal, accountancy and tax questions then there is money to be made I feel.

    The thing though to be wary of is that the T&Cs have to be water tight as far as indemnity goes. I think Just Answer wriggle out of responsibility for the experts answers quite well by forcing you to tick a box saying they or the expert are not responsible, they are only giving advice and it is up to you what you do with that advice.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    RATM wrote: »
    This idea already exists - www.justanswer.com There are several Irish solicitors & barristers on that site who answer legal questions for €25 a pop. It is far more diverse than that- they have experts that range from BMW/Audi qualified mechanics to aeronautical engineers. I thought myself of doing something similar a couple of years ago but ditched the idea as there is no way I could do it as well as justanswer do. Since then a good few more have entered that space so things are hotting up.

    I do still think there are niches available. The legal one being particulary interesting. People often need a legal question answered but they don't want to go to €100+ worth of solicitors fees to get it answered. That's where sites like Just Answer sweep in. If you could take the Just Answer model and localise it to Ireland for legal, accountancy and tax questions then there is money to be made I feel.

    The thing though to be wary of is that the T&Cs have to be water tight as far as indemnity goes. I think Just Answer wriggle out of responsibility for the experts answers quite well by forcing you to tick a box saying they or the expert are not responsible, they are only giving advice and it is up to you what you do with that advice.

    Thanks for the feedback. This idea isn't anything to do with JustAnswer though. It would be closer to Quora or Formspring.

    Actually, if you look up Reddit AMA (Ask Me Anything) - that is as close as you will get. Except it is just a feature/add-on to Reddit, and it is for celebrities.

    JustAnswer is a marketplace for expert advice, for ad-hoc questions, and to access it, you need to pay. This concept would simply be based around having your own page, importing your profile from LinkedIn, and people who sign-up can ask you questions.

    JustAnswer isn't about the person giving the advice, it's about getting the answer. It's not like you're going on to engage with a particular person.

    Could be a celebrity getting quizzed on the latest 'scandal', and defending their position, or it could be a local photographer giving the benefit of their experience on the best latest DSLR. Alternatively, it could be an accountant giving simple advice (similar to the responses given here on Boards), or a business consultant answering a question from an SME owner on how to increase efficiencies and cut costs.

    Let's say you are a reputable and well-known social media consultant. You have your own page on the site, people log-on, do a search on 'social media expert', and up pops your profile in a list of others.

    The person looking for tips, or your own particular insights, would go on and could ask you questions and have a conversation with you - no matter how brief or in-depth, etc.

    On JustAnswer, you'd be asking your question, paying your money and then off on your merry way. This concept is about building a community and building value for people, letting them have access to the people they look up to in various industries, allowing them to engage with them directly - and allowing the person fielding the answers own their own 'space' on the platform.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭RATM


    Well that is all very well but are you expecting these experts to give up their time for free ? because if you are then I see little incentive for them to do so. There are some CEO's on Quora who give amazing insights but they are very much in the minority- people who are experts in their field are extraordinarily busy and often don't have the time or the inclination to be answering questions from some randomers on the internet. Without a paid model where the expert has something to gain (other than 'reputation') I can't see it working tbh. Also if it is for free then you'll attract all kinds of trolls, spammers, etc.

    As you say Reddit has their AMA thing as an add-on. If your idea is successful and you proved it then there is nothing to stop any big sites like Linkedin doing the same, it would be just a matter of adding a button to someones profile where they would have said they're willing to answer questions.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    All good points, I have thought of most of these myself. I don't think they necessarily add up to meaning that the idea wouldn't work though, because it is open and applicable enough for a large number of people to still want to use it.

    For every CEO who is too busy, there may be a photographer or even, I don't know, a DJ, who is happy to answer questions on what life is like as a DJ! In other words, it could be what people choose to make of it.

    RATM wrote: »
    Well that is all very well but are you expecting these experts to give up their time for free ? because if you are then I see little incentive for them to do so. There are some CEO's on Quora who give amazing insights but they are very much in the minority- people who are experts in their field are extraordinarily busy and often don't have the time or the inclination to be answering questions from some randomers on the internet. Without a paid model where the expert has something to gain (other than 'reputation') I can't see it working tbh. Also if it is for free then you'll attract all kinds of trolls, spammers, etc.

    Agreed that there will be loads of CEOs and well-known 'thought leader' types who wouldn't have the time to use it, much too tied up with other ongoing projects, and day-to-day work, etc. That's exactly the reason why there wouldn't be a paid model here, or a financial incentive - I doubt these same CEOs are going to be on a site looking to make $15/question every other day :) They're going to be on the site because they like it, they want to pop on every so often and answer a few questions here and there, engage with folks and pick up that 'direct line' to whoever is following them. Maybe even a little ego boost for some.

    They aren't there to serve an audience or fulfill a service (for which they'd want to be getting paid) - they are there because they want to be.
    RATM wrote: »
    As you say Reddit has their AMA thing as an add-on. If your idea is successful and you proved it then there is nothing to stop any big sites like Linkedin doing the same, it would be just a matter of adding a button to someones profile where they would have said they're willing to answer questions.

    I thought of exactly that myself re LinkedIn - can't see them being bothered to be honest. I doubt they are suddenly going to decide to turn people's profiles into Q&A pages. Even if they did, it would be far from the primary focus of the site, I would imagine things would start to get a bit cluttered if they decided to do it as well.

    You could really bring up that point about any idea to a large extent. 'I have a photo app, but what if Facebook tweak Instagram to do what I'm doing', etc etc.

    There's also plenty of room for everyone, especially when an idea is very clearly and tightly focused around one key concept, as opposed to something that is as multi-functional and 'broad' as LinkedIn.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    In other words, it's not 'I'm giving out all my knowledge and the benefit of my experience for free - where's my reward?' - it's 'I'll pop on and have a conversation and field questions with those who are into what I'm about', etc.

    Re spam and trolls, the idea is that making people sign-in and show their real identity via Twitter and Facebook would cut down on that drastically (just like e.g. the Journal, Quora and other sites do).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    Think of it as the text-based version of Udemy!

    https://www.udemy.com/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭DubTony


    I don't see how you can monetise this, but as content is supposed to be king these days, your idea that professionals might answer questions in the hope that they may get some business probably has some merit. The thing is this type of activity usually involves blogging to some degree, developing a following and later on selling something to those followers or subscribers. It's pretty much the same method that's been used since the web started. The only advantage to them joining your site is that it should be the go-to place, but won't become that until its established and probably won't be established until the content is there.
    If people just go to a web site to have a question answered, they don't become part of anything, so building a community will take a lot more than Q&A pages. Boards for example developed from a gamers forum and evolved in a very organic way.
    If I've a question I want answered I simply throw it into Google, and flick through the answers until I get something I feel is the best. Yesterday I needed to do something on the car and got the best answer from Youtube from a guy who has over a hundred videos uploaded.

    You'll need something special to make your idea work. I think it might need to start as something specific and be aimed at a particular sector rather than a general answer anything type site.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    DubTony wrote: »
    I don't see how you can monetise this, but as content is supposed to be king these days, your idea that professionals might answer questions in the hope that they may get some business probably has some merit. The thing is this type of activity usually involves blogging to some degree, developing a following and later on selling something to those followers or subscribers. It's pretty much the same method that's been used since the web started. The only advantage to them joining your site is that it should be the go-to place, but won't become that until its established and probably won't be established until the content is there.
    If people just go to a web site to have a question answered, they don't become part of anything, so building a community will take a lot more than Q&A pages. Boards for example developed from a gamers forum and evolved in a very organic way.

    You'll need something special to make your idea work. I think it might need to start as something specific and be aimed at a particular sector rather than a general answer anything type site.

    DubTony you are probably right there, I was thinking the same myself. If it is too general, then it may become relevant to everyone but used by (not as many as it could be).

    I was thinking that it could start focused on a niche. For example, photography or sports coaching or whatever. That way, it is easier to get people on board, since you only have to concentrate on targeting a very specific sub-set of users.
    DubTony wrote: »
    If I've a question I want answered I simply throw it into Google, and flick through the answers until I get something I feel is the best. Yesterday I needed to do something on the car and got the best answer from Youtube from a guy who has over a hundred videos uploaded.

    I know what you mean, but people search and seek out information in different ways. If throwing an old search into Google was all people were happy to do, then we would all just use Google all the time and we wouldn't have specialist forums, blogs, Quora, Udemy, SkillShare, JustAnswer, Twitter search, etc. I think one of the amazing things about the web is the myriad different ways that information can be presented, sought out, shared, etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭colblimp


    If I want to find something out, I can do so after a short search on the internet. I can't see how you're going to make a success of this. The community idea isn't going to work, people only want to find an answer to their question, noone has time for the whole community thing.

    Additionally, the answers you've received on this thread have all been put down by yourself. Why ask for peoples opinion when you take little or no notice of them?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭Peterdalkey


    2x 2 posts (11/12 &18 /19) and then a 3 sequential post 32-34 all by the OP! Is this a record?

    The OP is so far ahead of the game here, the only surprise is that this brilliant idea has not been taken up by the top US tech VCs. I bet Bono is watching every move and will pounce early.. you never want to miss the Elevator.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    colblimp wrote: »
    If I want to find something out, I can do so after a short search on the internet.

    You must not have read my last post. Google isn't the only way people find and search for information.
    colblimp wrote: »
    I can't see how you're going to make a success of this. The community idea isn't going to work, people only want to find an answer to their question, noone has time for the whole community thing.

    Heheh, are you serious? You do know what site you're on, right?!
    colblimp wrote: »
    Additionally, the answers you've received on this thread have all been put down by yourself. Why ask for peoples opinion when you take little or no notice of them?!

    Again, you must not be reading my posts. Have I not thanked various people for their input, perhaps even Peter with his 'crap business idea' comment. I actually have agreed with various posters as well...I only just agreed with DubTony's last post there too. So not sure where you're coming from there?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    2x 2 posts (11/12 &18 /19) and then a 3 sequential post 32-34 all by the OP! Is this a record?

    The OP is so far ahead of the game here, the only surprise is that this brilliant idea has not been taken up by the top US tech VCs. I bet Bono is watching every move and will pounce early.. you never want to miss the Elevator.

    Have you picked up your copy of Internet for Dummies yet Peter? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭betonit


    Atomico wrote: »
    Have you picked up your copy of Internet for Dummies yet Peter? :)

    have you?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭DubTony


    Atomico wrote: »
    If throwing an old search into Google was all people were happy to do, then we would all just use Google all the time and we wouldn't have specialist forums, blogs, Quora, Udemy, SkillShare, JustAnswer, Twitter search, etc. I think one of the amazing things about the web is the myriad different ways that information can be presented, sought out, shared, etc.

    Google sometimes leads to some sort of Q&A site, so there's no doubt they have their place. Having said that, I've never come across any of the sites I've highlighted above. In fact, boards.ie consistently appears on the first page for almost any question I ask.
    I have a feeling that the place for Q&A is anywhere/everywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭The Apprentice


    Heated topic..
    There are some good points, bad points and some frustrated peeps and from what i gather from what you have said only a few business models that i can gather from this..


    1. Advertising Business model - Query based Paid Placements.. Eg. Seomoz in the Online Marketing Questions, Intromercials, before the user gets to the content usually seen on America Websites (New York Post,Times etc) or last but not Least Content Targeted Adverts .. Google adsense its doing this on boards to the Right of this post as i type.. (Eg. boards making 100k+ a year on this)
    Oh and also user Regristration - content-based sites that are free to access but require users to register and provide demographic data. Registration allows inter-session tracking of user surfing habits and thereby generates data of potential value in targeted advertising campaigns etc

    2. Infomediary model - Traditional banner advertising from Seo moz in the Online marketing forum etc boards.ie do this very effectively, also done deal is another perfect example. Go between car sections, dog and you,ll see highly targeted banners.

    3. Afflifilate model - Think of adverts with sales going directly to you such as - Amazon, Commission Junction etc .. lots of these around just the commission based model essentially. Amazon being much more highly targeted but there are sites where you can gleem affliate banners for 60% commissions.. :P

    4. Subscription Model - Users pay a yearly,monthly subscription model to ask as many questions as they like or 5 or 1 per month etc, Quora have this and i suspect they will incentivise this eventually. I think at the moment you have to earn points
    Person to person interaction ? - €25 to ask Michael dell about supply chain ?
    Person to group interaction ?? €10 to ask 10 expercts abotu supply chain ??
    A lot of videos on seomoz that are free will be part of this soon i think, Subscription model to get a 30 min video on a certain topic, entrepreneur topics etc.. Think of Ted videos that are a premium edition to your subscription for an extra €5 per month..

    Also people pay beleive it or not for Namechanges, Avatars, Expert User Avatars, Site Donater on other forums :P Lots of cash in this model

    5. Utility model - Pay as you read approach to your subject, similar to the Wired magazine subscription, new york times, you can only read 10 articles per month unless you pay the subscription of $6.95 :D



    In march 2010 Quora was rumour valued after funding @ $1b and declinded a buy out of 300m clams - as a start up with intial venture Capitol offered ..
    As of 2012 its has now settled after second round funding at just over 400m .. So its worth a few pennies i can say that.


    Personally i think its a good idea from what you have but you didnt exactly convey what you wanted to do with it and it strayed into a heated post with Peter.. In his defence i can stand behind his business acumen, maybe not so much on 1 or 2 of his comments or yours but hey - its a forum after all.
    80% of this forum dont like me for my midnight laptop rambles where i neither edit nor stop to develop my thoughts in a fluid manner and often type totally the opposite of what im trying to say making me like a right **** .. either way, i think you should kiss and make up dudes its a learning forum after all..

    I think your on to something but you need to nail down your strategy from the get go, and be more concise on what business model you have from the few i have above..

    Best of luck with it either way - good idea buddy
    The Apprentice


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    Heated topic..
    There are some good points, bad points and some frustrated peeps and from what i gather from what you have said only a few business models that i can gather from this..


    1. Advertising Business model - Query based Paid Placements.. Eg. Seomoz in the Online Marketing Questions, Intromercials, before the user gets to the content usually seen on America Websites (New York Post,Times etc) or last but not Least Content Targeted Adverts .. Google adsense its doing this on boards to the Right of this post as i type.. (Eg. boards making 100k+ a year on this)
    Oh and also user Regristration - content-based sites that are free to access but require users to register and provide demographic data. Registration allows inter-session tracking of user surfing habits and thereby generates data of potential value in targeted advertising campaigns etc

    2. Infomediary model - Traditional banner advertising from Seo moz in the Online marketing forum etc boards.ie do this very effectively, also done deal is another perfect example. Go between car sections, dog and you,ll see highly targeted banners.

    3. Afflifilate model - Think of adverts with sales going directly to you such as - Amazon, Commission Junction etc .. lots of these around just the commission based model essentially. Amazon being much more highly targeted but there are sites where you can gleem affliate banners for 60% commissions.. :P

    4. Subscription Model - Users pay a yearly,monthly subscription model to ask as many questions as they like or 5 or 1 per month etc, Quora have this and i suspect they will incentivise this eventually. I think at the moment you have to earn points
    Person to person interaction ? - €25 to ask Michael dell about supply chain ?
    Person to group interaction ?? €10 to ask 10 expercts abotu supply chain ??
    A lot of videos on seomoz that are free will be part of this soon i think, Subscription model to get a 30 min video on a certain topic, entrepreneur topics etc.. Think of Ted videos that are a premium edition to your subscription for an extra €5 per month..

    Also people pay beleive it or not for Namechanges, Avatars, Expert User Avatars, Site Donater on other forums :P Lots of cash in this model

    5. Utility model - Pay as you read approach to your subject, similar to the Wired magazine subscription, new york times, you can only read 10 articles per month unless you pay the subscription of $6.95 :D



    In march 2010 Quora was rumour valued after funding @ $1b and declinded a buy out of 300m clams - as a start up with intial venture Capitol offered ..
    As of 2012 its has now settled after second round funding at just over 400m .. So its worth a few pennies i can say that.


    Personally i think its a good idea from what you have but you didnt exactly convey what you wanted to do with it and it strayed into a heated post with Peter.. In his defence i can stand behind his business acumen, maybe not so much on 1 or 2 of his comments or yours but hey - its a forum after all.
    80% of this forum dont like me for my midnight laptop rambles where i neither edit nor stop to develop my thoughts in a fluid manner and often type totally the opposite of what im trying to say making me like a right **** .. either way, i think you should kiss and make up dudes its a learning forum after all..

    I think your on to something but you need to nail down your strategy from the get go, and be more concise on what business model you have from the few i have above..

    Best of luck with it either way - good idea buddy
    The Apprentice

    Great post Apprentice, some great points made and thanks for taking the time! I guess one or two of my posts were a bit smart, have to say I was taken aback by one or two comments there early on though. Maybe Peter will end up being one of my beta-testers, you never know!

    Cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    I've read through this and I honestly cannot see the point. Its just another 'similar' site to the others. If I was a DJ, which I am, and I need an answer to a question I Google it. And I'll probably find a thread or forum somewhere with a similar problem, join and ask the main thread poster who answered it. Same goes for my development work, I'll Google and 99% of the time end up on StackOverflow and ask there.

    If we take the 'expert' side to it, thats a good angle but seriously how to you qualify someone? The Internet is full of posers, people who are good at copy & paste and WikiPedia spoofers. Even Wikipedia has had its fair share of bad press over bad articles apparently written by experts. You will never ever be able to qualify someone to a professional standard.

    Whats different about this site?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭The Apprentice


    ironclaw wrote: »
    I've read through this and I honestly cannot see the point. Its just another 'similar' site to the others. If I was a DJ, which I am, and I need an answer to a question I Google it. And I'll probably find a thread or forum somewhere with a similar problem, join and ask the main thread poster who answered it. Same goes for my development work, I'll Google and 99% of the time end up on StackOverflow and ask there.

    Whats different about this site?

    You just answered your own question .. With relevant traffic any site cant become a significant database of knowledge, all you have to do is ask a question in google.ie and boards.ie is all over it.

    Banner advertising is running (both impressions and Cpm) you click but not purchase through the site but on another site 40 days later because djs need to purchased equipment every year..
    The site has a 90 day cookie, and with that relevant knowledge you looked up inadvertantly you have lined his pockets with €140 commission..
    Im sorry but i hope this clears this up in how people can still make money off of you even though you may not think it.

    There is plenty of opportunity now in this site after sleeping on it.. Tell me whats the difference between facebook and Gplus ?? Not a whole pile in my opinion !!
    Plenty of room for others in the market i think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭The Apprentice


    Took me a few minutes to find an affliate music/dj banner .. 20% to start up to 80% on quantity..

    http://www.zzounds.com/aff


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw



    Banner advertising is running (both impressions and Cpm) you click but not purchase through the site but on another site 40 days later because djs need to purchased equipment every year..
    The site has a 90 day cookie, and with that relevant knowledge you looked up inadvertantly you have lined his pockets with €140 commission..
    Im sorry but i hope this clears this up in how people can still make money off of you even though you may not think it.

    I'm well aware of how affiliate links etc work. I have numerous sites myself that run them as well as advising others. A hugely trafficked site in Ireland which I advised on in a fairly niche area (But with worldwide reach) only grossed €4k last year. That was Google Ads and Manufacturing Affiliates combined. Click ad's etc are great if people actually click them. Someone googling for a product probably already owns it, knows where to buy it or has the pricing suss'd, so a link to buy one is valueless to them. Also you have to contend with people running cookie cleaners etc something that has seen a huge interest with Chrome usage.

    As per the dot com bubble, people seem to vastly over estimate the value of websites.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    Hi there, thank you for the feedback.
    ironclaw wrote: »
    I've read through this and I honestly cannot see the point. Its just another 'similar' site to the others. If I was a DJ, which I am, and I need an answer to a question I Google it. And I'll probably find a thread or forum somewhere with a similar problem, join and ask the main thread poster who answered it. Same goes for my development work, I'll Google and 99% of the time end up on StackOverflow and ask there.

    If StackOverflow didn't exist, and I was proposing setting it up, would you say there'd be a good chance that you would think it was pointless and 'just Google it'? :) You even say that if you need an answer to a question you google it - but then you admit you end up on a particular site which serves your need better than Google, or a random article you might find in search results.

    The web is a big place (don't need to tell you!), and there are many different ways of structuring, presenting and organising info, and many different ways that people can interact with one another around that content/info.

    Sites may appear 'similar', but when you look a little closer, they often have a specific angle or something that serves a need better than another site (or fulfills it in a way no other site does).
    ironclaw wrote: »
    If we take the 'expert' side to it, thats a good angle but seriously how to you qualify someone? The Internet is full of posers, people who are good at copy & paste and WikiPedia spoofers. Even Wikipedia has had its fair share of bad press over bad articles apparently written by experts. You will never ever be able to qualify someone to a professional standard.

    Whats different about this site?

    It's not about verifying experts though. It's an open platform, and I have some mechanisms in mind to ensure people are who they say they are, etc. It wouldn't be a platform for advice, it's a platform to ask a person a question -and there are a number of ways that people could use such a platform.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    Atomico wrote: »
    If StackOverflow didn't exist, and I was proposing setting it up, would you say there'd be a good chance that you would think it was pointless and 'just Google it'? :) You even say that if you need an answer to a question you google it - but then you admit you end up on a particular site which serves your need better than Google, or a random article you might find in search results.

    If StackOverflow, with all its features, didn't exist I'd be hounding you to do it. I mean that.

    I appreciate this idea is your baby so to speak but I genuinely cannot see the niche or that glimmer that puts its above anything else thats already out there. If someone approached me to code this, I'd say no. Simply because I can't see the return in effort. And I'm not talking about money, I mean I'd only want to create something that was actually new and different even if it never paid me back.

    Yes it takes a little from here and there, but from my reading of it, its Yahoo Answers that emails a real person directly and who in turn answers back. Would that be a fair summary? Please correct if I'm just not seeing it.

    Had you suggested whats a few posts back i.e. €25 to get a real solicitor to answer a question etc I'd say go for it. In fact I'd probably invest in it. But a community website answering questions, I'm sorry but as a business it just won't work. You won't retire on it anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭devildriver


    One thing I didn't see mentioned here is the issue of user / identity verification. That's a huge issue for a site like that which Atomico is proposing.

    The site stands or falls on the quality of the advice given by your experts. Yet the site allows open registrations. So using LinkedIn as a sign-up mechanism is all well and good but it's easy enough to create fake accounts there too.

    Quora has real identifiable celebrities, business people etc answering questions authoritatively on their site but the difficult part is knowing how they verify these accounts as being genuine.

    Outside of all the possible revenue models and the subject matter of the site, ncihe or general, this is the big problem with trying to make this concept work.


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