Advice Please

decdev

Hi all off the real thing two weeks on Friday smoked 40 a day for best part of 20 years and have been using Smoke Green 24 mg and now 16 mg cartridges.They have been ok and kept me off the real thing but am wondering is there better versions out there with more pull on the back of the throat and last longer maybe i aint really sure i see there is loads of types(refills and such) :eek: and i know i will be using for a while yet.I dont get 24 hours actually out of a smoke green cartridge and have two batteries that keep me going lol but advice would be welcome.
Thanks

sept09baby

This is the best as a starting point from what you're on: http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/valuekit.htm They're out of stock now but ESI have told me they'll have them early next week.

Two decent batteries that will last much longer than you're used to. The bit on top is called a Kanger T2 Clearomiser - you simply fill this with the liquid and away you go. The head in the middle will need to be changed every 7-10 days depending on use. When the flavour starts to fade you screw a new head on (replacements are €2)

You get to choose 5 of the wingnuts range as samples. They are here (5 pages worth): http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/category-s/1818.htm

Just choose 5 flavours you want to try - a good mix would be 2 tobacco, 2 sweeter ones and 1 menthol (even if you'd never smoked menthol it's worth getting)

sept09baby

This is the next step up is http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/kangtwist.htm

This is the same idea as the first kit but with better batteries again. These are called twist batteries - you turn the dial at the bottom of the battery to make it more or less powerful depending on your mood/your juice

decdev

Wow some flavours lol thanks for the info these liquids you get erm do they last long (how long is a piece of string i suppose )look really good ive been a dedicated smoker as i say would you go for the second option as i can see myself doing this for a while
Thanks again

illicit007

decdev wrote: »

Wow some flavours lol thanks for the info these liquids you get erm do they last long (how long is a piece of string i suppose )look really good ive been a dedicated smoker as i say would you go for the second option as i can see myself doing this for a while
Thanks again

You buy bottles of liquid anything from 5 ml to 100 ml. You can get a premium 10 ml bottle for almost a tenner or you can get a value bottle of 30 ml for the same price.

Once you get your own refillable cartomiser and bottle of liquid you'll soon learn how many ml you go through.

My advise would be to get a value starter kit with two ego batteries and two kangers, but also get two low resistance boge cartomisers so you can try the difference between those and the kangers.

grindle

Definitely get the second option, it really is a big step up for such a small price and an easy function to use.

Liquid use depends on strength and pace. Some prefer having it in all the day long with a weak liquid, I prefer to hit it now and then with a really strong liquid (I was a ten a day rollie-smoker).
10ml of a strong juice would last me 4-5 days, other people are using 5mls+ a day. Once you get over the new gadget hurdle you'll see what your pace is, but you'll probably get around a week's use out of the sample pack, or a bit more out of a 30ml bottle.

decdev

http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/kangtwist.htm
sorry for my lack of knowledge with this one there is T2,T3 kangers what is the difference

grindle

T2 - top-coil atomiser - warmer, less flavour, have to tip or swirl it to wick properly.
T3 - bottom-coil atomiser - much cooler, more flavourful, don't have to tip but has drip leak problems.
Ask in the comment box for one of each to try.
Not sure if they'll do that, but the last guy I told to do that hasn't come back on calling them pricks yet, and we do love a good moan, so maybe they did it.
And maybe they hate me telling people to do these things... Ah well.

decdev

lol ok thanks folks hahah

decdev

Ok thanks guys ive ordered this one http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/kangtwist.htm but when you say drip leaks what you mean like is it bad

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

no, if you leave it standing on a desk overnight there might be a very small puddle of juice under it in the morning. it's slow and doesnt happen to everyone I think.

decdev

Last question in this thread/post lol and probably the daftest the nicotine strength in the e liguids has this got anything to do with the strength of the throat hit at all as i was on 24 mg and now 18 mg smoke greens and probably or am sure could go lower if it does not affect the throat hit

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

higher nic juices do have more throat hit yeah, but you'll likely get more with the kanger twist than you did with the smoke green setup just because of the device itself.

that said, i always found 12mg to have next to no throathit, a light tickle maybe.

decdev

Ok great thanks for the advice appreciated

decdev

Hi peops up and running with my new kanger great delighted with it but the juice oooohhhhh tried ry-c10 way to sweet yuk ry-4a not for me either any advice on proper tobacco type juice no sweetness at all please lol have seen B&H is that a good option thanks again

still have virginia fire cured, extreme menthol,and nut juice not sure i want to try any of these lol afraid of the sweetness now lol

oh and last question again can i wash out the clearomiser with water once i remove the head

grindle

decdev wrote: »

any advice on proper tobacco type juice

Best.

decdev wrote: »

no sweetness at all please

...hmmm... The carrier bases are sweet themselves, so there's going to be SOME sweetening... These are nothing like RY4 flavours, which are designed to be sweeter.

decdev wrote: »

oh and last question again can i wash out the clearomiser with water once i remove the head

Yes.

decdev

ok Thanks grindle

jamie72

decdev wrote: »

Hi peops up and running with my new kanger great delighted with it but the juice oooohhhhh tried ry-c10 way to sweet yuk ry-4a not for me either any advice on proper tobacco type juice no sweetness at all please lol have seen B&H is that a good option thanks again

still have virginia fire cured, extreme menthol,and nut juice not sure i want to try any of these lol afraid of the sweetness now lol

oh and last question again can i wash out the clearomiser with water once i remove the head

I'm off the fags 8 months* now with the El Toro Cigarillos. I was a Benson smoker if that helps. I also haven't got fed up of it.

They all taste sweet at first though compared to tobacco, but the ones you mentioned are sweet in nature anyway.

decdev

ok cheers i was on smoke green or green smoke e cigs and there was no sweetness with them so just wondering thanks for reply its a cigarette tobacco taste im after thanks again

Celly Smunt

decdev wrote: »

ok cheers i was on smoke green or green smoke e cigs and there was no sweetness with them so just wondering thanks for reply its a cigarette tobacco taste im after thanks again

Smoke green in my opinion would be a lot sweeter the house of liquid juices,and not near the quality so you're safe.

illicit007

I came across this flavouring additive on the flavourart website (they sell flavour concentrates for making your own eliquids FYI)

"Bitter Wizard is designed to reduce or eliminate the sweet base flavour that is give by PG & VG. Adding Bitter Wizard at 1%, vapers can get a pleasant, bitter aftertaste that can be enhanced further by increasing the % added.
Bitter Wizard works well with dark and tobacco flavours."

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

Maybe the smokegreen uses some flavourings which manage to mask the natural sweet undertones of the PG/VG bases.

jamie72

decdev, someone posted this review on TBS that might interest you:

Being relatively new to the vaping scene I was quickly becoming more and more disillusioned with the tobacco flavours.
We all know how subjective taste is but I just found the overwhelming majority far too sweet!
That is until I stumbled across Liqua's "Traditional Tobacco"-a mellow,smooth vape with little to no sweetness:)
My only gripe is,it has no throat hit whatsoever and I ordered the "strong" which is 24mg.Still,I'm very happy with this liquid so if you're looking for a smooth, tobacco like taste,you've found it.

decdev

jamie72 wrote: »

decdev, someone posted this review on TBS that might interest you:

Thanks jamie sounds good but im a fussy git m8 lol need the throat hit too lol
gonna look into the house of liquid http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/eltorocn.htm
probably this one thanks again

decdev

decdev wrote: »

Thanks jamie sounds good but im a fussy git m8 lol need the throat hit too lol
gonna look into the house of liquid http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/eltorocn.htm
probably this one thanks again

although they dont seem to have this size to try

jamie72

decdev wrote: »

although they dont seem to have this size to try

They must only have the big bottles left. Cigarillos is what I use. I need some anyway, so try it, and if you don't like it, i'll give you €20 for the remainder

http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/eltorocn60.htm

damon5

Just started myself a week ago today with the El Toro Puros Natureales that i got from esmoke with my starter pack and boy its so good.Tried some vanilla but didnt hit the spot,straight back to Puros,would love to find somewhere that sells the House of Frazer juices in 100mls at a good price,1000mls would be even better.:)

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

house of frazer?


no one sells el toro juices in 100ml, e-smoke gets them direct from the manufacturer and they sell them in the same bottles as e-smoke

damon5

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

house of frazer?


no one sells el toro juices in 100ml, e-smoke gets them direct from the manufacturer and they sell them in the same bottles as e-smoke

meant LIQUID.......HOUSE OF .......
yeah i no but would be sure nice if you could buy it in a larger volume at a good price.

decdev

ok fellas going to go for http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/eltorocn60.htm thanks for the advice one more thing if i get these

http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/bogecarto.htm will they fit my ego c twist battery

sept09baby

Yes those Boge cartos will fit your battery. The El Toro juices are known to be great tobacco juices but they're a bit thicker than other juices so when filling the carto be slow and patient. Add a few drops at a time and give it plenty of time for the carto to soak it all up before firing it up on the battery. Syringes are very handy for this as there is no dripper with the el toro bottles.

decdev

Great thank you

Thecageyone

How do you find the size of your new unit towards the smokegreens? When I opened her up I was a bit ... woah! [As I also got an extra larger battery and a clear atomizer that makes a fairly large 'e-cig'!] - I got 2 x 650 mah with the kit and they're not so overwhelming.

I ordered the cigarrillos naturale too, but from house of liquid. A euro cheaper but you'll probably get yours first being from an irish site.

I just got my Ego C kit today, and not touched the smokegreens once! The hit I get from the new kit is so much more satisfying.

I got some menthol, from vapourireland, think it's dekang? It's ok, bit clinical tasting at first but I'm getting used to it. I got plain tobacco from another site and well, it's better than the smoke green tobacco stuff, but still not great. I've been messing about mixing them together and the results were quite nice. Maybe try mixing some of yours in a separate bottle?

Hoping the Cigarrillos will be much better.

I've ordered a bunch of other flavours for the craic too I love experimenting.

jamie72

The cigarrillos will knock your socks off.

decdev

yes m8 wow a bit big ok im a tiler so have not brought to work and wont either have the smoke green for that with 2 cartridges left lol. I ordered cartomisers today too for the new kit so will give them a try but will be looking for a solution for work soon.
As for the hit cool im around 3.8-4 voltage on the battery and happy with that and for flavours oh man i got extreme menthol though not tried that yet nut juice which i just started and so far its ok sweet though,ry-c10 which i thought was sweet first but settled into it after a while favourite of samples i got, ry4-a only one word oooohhhhhh yuk ok 2 words lol, and last virginia fire cure tobac not for me so if i needed one or two of these id buy the ry-c10 tobacco again but as jamie is here m8 im hoping for cigarellos or whatever it is lol.
For work im not sure yet need somthin to fit in pocket handy enough we'll see

decdev

also seen your thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056902071 about refilling, that adapter looks good but they want mad price to ship lol would be perfect for me for work but anyway

Thecageyone

The JAC vap set with the mini cigs? I got free shipping - it's not a cheap kit once VAT is added on end, but looks perfect for your needs.

decdev

yes it does m8 but was thinking more in the lines of smaller battery with cartomisers but again not sure m8 thanks for that

Thecageyone

It is the smaller ciggy sized ones. Look at the V1P set. They're no bigger than a smoke green

StickyIcky

Thecageyone wrote: »

Hoping the Cigarrillos will be much better.

I've ordered a bunch of other flavours for the craic too I love experimenting.

As mentioned before Cigarrillos is a bit of an aquired taste. When I first tried it I was like "WTF? Seriously what's all the fuse about this it's not that good at all" Wasn't even sure if I liked it. Tried it again after a wee while... it wasn't as bad as I first remembered. Had a whole big bottle of it, so wanted to give it a second chance. Glad I did, it really grew on me, I ended up vaping the whole bottle.

It's a bit of craic alright aye. When you first start of it's a LOT of fun. The novelty wears off a little. But the thrill of vape mail never goes away

Green Hornet

I found the cigarillos too cigar tasting altogether. It was authentic though.

Is there a more cigarette tasting one? I'd the Eden or Virginia Prime more mellow?

jamie72

Green Hornet wrote: »

I found the cigarillos too cigar tasting altogether. It was authentic though.

Is there a more cigarette tasting one? I'd the Eden or Virginia Prime more mellow?

The eden is just added apple and the Virgina prime is stronger again. The cigarillos isn't that strong, are you sure you didn't use the Puros?

Green Hornet

No, I used the cigarillos alright. Still have the remains of the bottle here.....steeped for about 8 months ha ha....almost all gone but might try a drop tomorrow.

jamie72

Maybe try dekang RY-4? Light tobacco taste with a bit of a caramel finish? It's also cheap as chips.

Green Hornet

Might try it. I actually like the Hangsen RY4 and its dirt cheap as well from BV, 100ml for 14 euro but it ships in a tub like container.....

decdev

Thecageyone wrote: »

The JAC vap set with the mini cigs? I got free shipping - it's not a cheap kit once VAT is added on end, but looks perfect for your needs.

it looks nice kit but with this http://www.madvapes.com/10-ml-11mg-6315.html and delivery its only half the price of the Jac kit and could still use the smokegreen batteries with some new refillable cartomisers oh choices choices lol :eek:

P.I.T.A

decdev wrote: »

it looks nice kit but with this http://www.madvapes.com/10-ml-11mg-6315.html and delivery its only half the price of the Jac kit and could still use the smokegreen batteries with some new refillable cartomisers oh choices choices lol :eek:

Be careful as I think the 808D-1 (Smoke Green and Jacvapour batteries) batteries are E8 not E9, the E9 batteries are the 808D-2 which is the Green smoke from http://www.greensmoke.co.uk/catalog/green-smoke/electric-cigarette-battery/prod_2.html

decdev

ok thanks for that update phew could have saved me lol

P.I.T.A

decdev wrote: »

ok thanks for that update phew could have saved me lol

Nothing worse than waiting for new gear to arrive only finding they not compatible with anything else you got
I got caught out like that when I ordered cartridges from Jacvapour only to find that Smoke Green batteries only worked with own type of cartridges and not the vast majority on sale out there so had to buy batteries from Jacvapour, your fairly limited to flavours with the Smoke Green set up though I loved their Coffee flavour ones.

decdev

mmm ok its either Jacvapour or innokin then for work thanks

jamie72

EDIT: WHOOPS.

Thecageyone

Reviews I've seen , like this one, for the V1P all seem positive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC8gFYhm1js