A7-oid

Green Hornet

Got my A7-oid from ESI and they also sent me a free 30ml of Liqua!

Impressed with this. The stock wick was for dripping mode and did not work well but I made my own and its excellent using the sera wool. It really is just like dripping. Holds a ton of juice, easily 40 drops. It's wicking really well. I use a loop of 2mm touching the wool and the 2 strands in the well.

Quite blown away with it actually. It's neat, small and doesn't leak. For 19 euro including dripper and oid it's a great option.

TH is strong alright but I suspect that's just down to getting the right height/placement of the coil. Flavour and vapour are actually really good.

grindle

Any tips based on past builds (the Bulli seems similar bar the airhole placement) that might make this work with cotton pads or SS mesh?
Screwing the top on causes the cotton pad to either tear away or pull away from a coil leg = ugly tasting metal heaven.
SS: upside-down U-wick had the legs twisting and pulling the coil into the wick = short city.

Green Hornet

I know exactly what you're saying. I tried the mesh with the Bulli but couldn't get it working either. Maybe a hybrid set up might work but I wouldn't be overconfident on that either.

It's very similar in terms of set up to the Bulli alright.

grindle

Mmm, a hybrid. I don't have silica anymore but I can try it with woven cotton wick I suppose.
If not it'll be sold. Had high hopes. High, unthinking hopes. I wish silica didn't have a taste.
Maybe I should save it for whenever woven ceramic reaches our shores, if it ever reaches our shores.

Green Hornet

I don't taste silica but I do taste carto filler when I use them. If cartos had clean taste I'd probably still use them.

Edit: Actually I do taste clearo rubbish wick alright but not Bulli or Andrei's stuff. Using TBS 2mm stuff at the moment and its clean flavour too. Clearo's have an awful plastic taste for me but maybe the plastic tank contributes to that?

grindle

Cłearo-plastic-taste: Probably has some effect - everything's so tightly packed and surrounded by plastics and silicon grommets and whatnot...
I've had silica in the RDA, Phoenix, A7, Killer, AGA... There's just something to it that's underlying and a bit bleugh. Fantastic vapour off it for whatever reason.
WAY better flavour that cartos or clearos, but nothing compared to cotton or SS for me.
Anyway, the A7-oid, go buy it, silica fans!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

does it come with the sera wool?

grindle

It does indeed. Enough for about ten refills I'd say, but you can always boil wash and recycle. Usual rules apply with Menthol or coffee flavours.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

might grab one in a week or two.. will wait and see how GH gets on with his long term

grindle

Can't wait.
"It doesn't compare to the Bulli no matter what I try."
BulliBulliBulli.

Green Hornet

Heh heh.....if I like it everybody should cos I'm fairly unforgiving.

So far so good though. The sera wool seems to be great. Half thinking of trying it in the Bulli as well. Can't see any reason why that shouldn't wick as well as the A7. It really does wick superbly.

One funny thing I've noticed is that the centre post (air feed) seems a bit on the loose side but its not affecting performance.

Mr. Chrome

Right, I've taken the plunge, have an a7oid speeding towards me as we speak, can anyone help me out here? Im looking for silica and wire, TBS have 1mm, 3mm and 3.5mm, sold out of 2mm and all size wire!
Vaperus have nichrome .16mm but no silica!
Cant find anyone else selling this stuff in Ireland but would rather buy here cause I dont wanna wait! Also have vouchers with TBS that are about to run out!!!
Can anyone recommend the best sizes of silica and wire to use and the best method of putting it together. Have watched a few videos of people doing it but they all have different methods(too many chefs spoil the juice!)
Leaning towards a 3mm loop turned up, keeping an eye out for shorts, but I havent a clue!!!! I just want to pop my building cherry, not my coil :-D

Thanks in advance

grindle

You'll have to PM rickyjb about this and pay him because the wick and wire's his. Lucky for you my flight got cancelled so I can send it tomorrow.

Edit: if he says yes, give me a few minutes to sort out the price depending on how much of what it is you're getting off him. I know he wanted to sell some of it anyway.

Green Hornet

A 2mm folded with a loop on one side and the 2 strands on the other is working well for me. I put the 2 strands into the well and the loop above the coil so that it contacts the sera. That way any juice that collects in the well will be wicked up and makes it easier to pit the top back on after filling. It's working really well. I don't think 3mm will work unless you use just one strand.

The stock wick and coil are rubbish though and set up for dripping.

Mr. Chrome

Thanks guys, so 2mm silica, would doubling up 1mm work? And the wire, whats the difference between kanthal d and nichrome .16?

Mr. Chrome

Thanks grindle, but I dont have a paypal account, not sure if I can use my cc when it is a private deal, what is it you have anyhow?

Green Hornet

Should work fine I'd imagine. Double 1mm twice so you have 4 strands. Wrap 4 turns of 0.2 kanthal around it and insert the ends through the terminals. Make sure the coil is above the air hole. That should do it.

Try the dripping set up first just to get the flavour and hone your skills. It comes in dripping mode.

grindle

Mr. Chrome wrote: »

Thanks grindle, but I dont have a paypal account, not sure if I can use my cc when it is a private deal, what is it you have anyhow?

Get a PayPal account! Or are you that guy off of FB who has the aversion?

Ricky ordered .20 & .25 Kanthal, some .3x.1mm ribbon Kanthal, 2mm & 3mm silica. He ended up not wanting a decade's supply so I think he wanted rid of some of it.

Mr. Chrome wrote: »

...whats the difference between kanthal d and nichrome .16?

Kanthal is less likely to pop if you get a hotspot.

Mr. Chrome

grindle wrote: »

Get a PayPal account! Or are you that guy off of FB who has the aversion?

Ricky ordered .20 & .25 Kanthal, some .3x.1mm ribbon Kanthal, 2mm & 3mm silica. He ended up not wanting a decade's supply so I think he wanted rid of some of it.



Kanthal is less likely to pop if you get a hotspot.

I dont do Facebook cause im so popular I would probably break the interweb :-P
I know a guy who knows a guy that might hook me up, if not I'll contact ricky and send him cash if I have to.

illicit007

I know a guy who knows a guy who doesn't know any other guys apart from that guy, that' guys is pretty screwed. Luckily you know a guy who knows a guy. You could always deposit cash into their account?

Mr. Chrome

Got my a7 oid today, nice looking yoke, been using it now for a few hours in dripping mode, pain in the arse cause im used to a tank, cant get more than 5 or 6 drops into it without it fllooding, I know this is normal for a dripper but im constantly having to refill it every few minutes. Im getting a slightly nasty taste of the silica also.
Heres the fun part, when the envelope arrived it was torn, the sera wool was wet and had dirt on it, it went straight in the bin. Im not blaming ESI for this, im sure it happened in transit, but if the sera was in a packet like the site says, it might not have got wet. Im just glad nothing was missing from the envelope.
Another thing im wondering about is why are people getting freebes, larger bottles of juice, free bottles of juice, etc. and others are not. Im not looking for anything free, but if others are getting stuff why am I not? After all I have given them a few hundred quid over the last couple of months. I'll probably get hassle for saying this but f*ck it, I dont care.
Now the a7oid is going in the drawer till I can source sera, wick and wire!
Rant over.

Green Hornet

To be fair, I think the juice I got was only the second freebie I've ever got. Got one from TBS once as well. I've bought a good bit if stuff from both of them over the course of 1.5 years.

The stock wick is really bad on it. I whipped it out after about 3 mins but that's standard for most of these atties. I think it's just really there to show you how to put a wick and coil in.

You could use the wool from an 701 cart as the filler. TBS or Andrei will ship you wick within a day.

Mr. Chrome

Have to say Paul was on to me straight away after my rant to sort everything out, cant get much fairer than that and it was'nt even his fault, still feel like going postal on the postman though ;-)

P.I.T.A

Mr. Chrome wrote: »

Got my a7 oid today, nice looking yoke, been using it now for a few hours in dripping mode, pain in the arse cause im used to a tank, cant get more than 5 or 6 drops into it without it fllooding, I know this is normal for a dripper but im constantly having to refill it every few minutes.

Maybe you'd be better of getting a dripper I bought, the ET Vision, even I can re-wick this baby without any problems (no screws) and when it runs dry I top up with 25 drops and it lasts me over 3 hours before I have to top it up again with another 25 drops.

Haven't used anything else to vape since I got it, even the Mini Vova doesn't come close for taste.
The ET Vision and Vanilla Custard Supreme and Kiffy's as happy as a pig in ****.

Here's the link http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/rebuildable-atomizers/174-vision-eternity-rebuildable-atomizer.html

grindle

Mr. Chrome wrote: »

Another thing im wondering about is why are people getting freebes, larger bottles of juice, free bottles of juice, etc. and others are not. Im not looking for anything free, but if others are getting stuff why am I not?

I'm not definite on this, but based on recent activity, I think you get freebies for not using the discount code at all, and if you're constantly driving traffic towards whatever site it is (and they know who you are).
Just a guess. I think I've gotten three freebies or upgrades ever in the past year and two months, but my perspective was always "I'm buying this, paying that price, and thinking it's fair - why should I expect more?"
You'd be surprised how much more other people are buying that you as well. I think I spend a lot compared to when I smoked (on rollies), but judging from FB some people are making purchases twice a week and shít. More than I could ever manage, so not much to complain about really.

Mr. Chrome

P.I.T.A wrote: »

Maybe you'd be better of getting a dripper I bought, the ET Vision, even I can re-wick this baby without any problems (no screws) and when it runs dry I top up with 25 drops and it lasts me over 3 hours before I have to top it up again with another 25 drops.

Haven't used anything else to vape since I got it, even the Mini Vova doesn't come close for taste.
The ET Vision and Vanilla Custard Supreme and Kiffy's as happy as a pig in ****.

Here's the link http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/rebuildable-atomizers/174-vision-eternity-rebuildable-atomizer.html

Funny you should say that cause I was thinking about either the eternity or the a7, I presumed the a7 would be better cause its fairly new and getting good reviews. What I cant get over is the size of the coil on the a7, its bleedin tiny, gonna have to get glasses I reckon!

grindle

P.I.T.A wrote: »

Haven't used anything else to vape since I got it, even the Mini Vova doesn't come close for taste.

Not even a fair fight at all.

Mr. Chrome

grindle wrote: »

I'm not definite on this, but based on recent activity, I think you get freebies for not using the discount code at all, and if you're constantly driving traffic towards whatever site it is (and they know who you are).
Just a guess. I think I've gotten three freebies or upgrades ever in the past year and two months, but my perspective was always "I'm buying this, paying that price, and thinking it's fair - why should I expect more?"
You'd be surprised how much more other people are buying that you as well. I think I spend a lot compared to when I smoked (on rollies), but judging from FB some people are making purchases twice a week and shít. More than I could ever manage, so not much to complain about really.

Yeah, I hear ya, I was raging about the envelope and I just had a bit of a hissy fit :$ all this over a little bit of wool!! Its done and dusted now.
I try to keep my vaping as cheap as I can, I reckon I spend 20-25% of what I used to spend on fags. If I was spending 100% tbh I would probably be back on fags!

P.I.T.A

grindle wrote: »

Not even a fair fight at all.

Twas fair that was what I used mainly before the ET Vision, so that was the best comparison to make, would have used the Aga T if I could have re-wicked the bloody thing to work for me.

The ET Vision is the best purchase I have made for a liquid delivery device since I started vaping.

Going to get a 2nd one next week to use as a back up when I go out in case the coil on the one I'm using dies on me when I'm out, don't know how long the coil will last as I change every 7 days whether it's working ok or not.

Mr. Chrome

Does anyone know if there is some sort of skirt or kilt thingy to go on an ego to tidy up the a7 and ego for out and about(if you can figure out what I just said) I presume it would need a hole for air.
Think ill be using the a7 with the ego more than the vamo.
Thread cover- Thats the thing I mean!

Mr. Chrome

Mr. Chrome wrote: »

Does anyone know if there is some sort of skirt or kilt thingy to go on an ego to tidy up the a7 and ego for out and about(if you can figure out what I just said) I presume it would need a hole for air.
Think ill be using the a7 with the ego more than the vamo.
Thread cover- Thats the thing I mean!

TBS 2 euro, yesss!!!
Thank you Mr chrome.
No problem Mr. chrome.

Green Hornet

I made a mistake last night. The oid was working great but thought the filler needed a bit of 'tidying up' using a screwdriver. Problem was that I didn't clean the screwdriver first and the wool was full of juice.......

Whatever the hell the juice extracted was rank altogether. Couldn't get rid of it either. Had to take the whole thing apart and wash it. Great that the bottom section is disassembleable.

Only 2 downsides from this is the airy draw and my post holes are off a bit. If there was a high quality SS device with this design I'd buy it. The spheroid is just way too expensive though.

It's much shorter than the Bulli as well so it's not constantly peeping out of my pocket.

Green Hornet

Very strange......after a few fills a metallic or some other funky taste comes into this. Don't know what the heck is causing it. Thought it was something from the juice picking up some 'dirt' from a screwdriver the first time and washing and replacing the coil and wool seemed to fix it but it came back twice yesterday. Used Bulli wool yesterday evening and it came back again after a while. Checked the wire was snug and not touching anything and that the screws are tight but it comes back again. Maybe I should wash the whole thing in alcohol tomorrow in case it's some lubricant or other and the juice extracts it after sitting in it for a while?

Using it in dripping mode now and it seems to be fine. Handy that it doesn't leak on its side even in dripping mode.

Mr. Chrome

That wool is cursed, I'm telling ya ;-)

Green Hornet

Heh heh...maybe.

I diassembled and boiled the whole thing up for a few mins, wool and all. New coil and wick and its working great again. One thing that I like on this thing is the narrow ID drip tip/feed tube. It concentrates the flavour and heat very nicely and I missed it when I was using the standard drip tip earlier.

Attaching the second leg of the coil is tricky though. The first leg is obviously straightforward and then position the coil over the airhole but its difficult to get the second leg into the hole without distorting the last turn of the coil. Maybe there's some trick or other to it but I haven't found it yet.....

illicit007

Yea the last turn on the second leg tends to pull the wire through distorting the coil a bit. I just try to go slowly turning the second leg, stop as soon as I notice it bite and pull.

Haven't tried A7-oid yet. Considering getting it or the Vision Eternity. I'm leaning towards the Vision Eternity right now. The only thing that puts me off about it, is it's apparent 'tight draw'.

Does the Vision Eternity have a tight draw? Is the Vision Eternity comparible to the Bulli? To me it looks like a Bulli A2-T from what little I know about it.

P.I.T.A

illicit007 wrote: »

Haven't tried A7-oid yet. Considering getting it or the Vision Eternity. I'm leaning towards the Vision Eternity right now. The only thing that puts me off about it, is it's apparent 'tight draw'.

Does the Vision Eternity have a tight draw? Is the Vision Eternity comparible to the Bulli? To me it looks like a Bulli A2-T from what little I know about it.

No the draw is deffo not tight, just right for me, I thought it was going to be tight after watching P Bastardo's utube vid, don't know what he normally vapes with but the Vision's draw is perfik, he also states the flavour is muted, I have found it the best device for flavour I have used, perhaps he had a cold when making that vid and the 25/30 drops lasts me 2 to 3 hours before dripping again :eek: Don't think I could use a dripper that only takes 5 or so drops, the bottle would be in my hand constantly :mad:

Ordered a 2nd ET Vision yesters from TBS so I have a spare on demand when I'm away from home.

Edit: Never used a Bulli, drippers that need recoiling involving screws doesn't work well with me, another bonus of the ET Vision NO BLOODY TINY SCREWS TO DEAL WITH

Green Hornet

illicit007 wrote: »

Yea the last turn on the second leg tends to pull the wire through distorting the coil a bit. I just try to go slowly turning the second leg, stop as soon as I notice it bite and pull.

Haven't tried A7-oid yet. Considering getting it or the Vision Eternity. I'm leaning towards the Vision Eternity right now. The only thing that puts me off about it, is it's apparent 'tight draw'.

Does the Vision Eternity have a tight draw? Is the Vision Eternity comparible to the Bulli? To me it looks like a Bulli A2-T from what little I know about it.

For me, I've always found the ego carts give a tight draw, even on the Bulli. Long way for the vapour to travel up through the sides of the cart and mouthpiece. Heat and flavour are reduced as well. Hard to beat a drip tip type set up of any sort IMO.

If somebody was to design a better tank to fit those type of atties, they'd make a few quid I'd say.

Mr. Chrome

P.I.T.A wrote: »

No the draw is deffo not tight, just right for me, I thought it was going to be tight after watching P Bastardo's utube vid, don't know what he normally vapes with but the Vision's draw is perfik, he also states the flavour is muted, I have found it the best device for flavour I have used, perhaps he had a cold when making that vid and the 25/30 drops lasts me 2 to 3 hours before dripping again :eek: Don't think I could use a dripper that only takes 5 or so drops, the bottle would be in my hand constantly :mad:

Ordered a 2nd ET Vision yesters from TBS so I have a spare on demand when I'm away from home.

Edit: Never used a Bulli, drippers that need recoiling involving screws doesn't work well with me, another bonus of the ET Vision NO BLOODY TINY SCREWS TO DEAL WITH

Kiffy, have you(or anybody else) used the pre-coiled wicks for the eternity, just wondering if the silica tastes weird, I plan on rebuilding(eventually :-) ) but having the option is great for me and 5 for 6euro aint bad.

P.I.T.A

Mr. Chrome wrote: »

Kiffy, have you(or anybody else) used the pre-coiled wicks for the eternity, just wondering if the silica tastes weird, I plan on rebuilding(eventually :-) ) but having the option is great for me and 5 for 6euro aint bad.

Yes I have bought the pre coiled wicks and they are fine, TBH I only bought them to have spare contact yokes for recoiling my own coils. The Silica wick is fine I don't notice any difference in that than the previous wick I got, but then I never managed to taste it much as could only manage a few puffs before the thing packed in

You will have no problems recoiling this dripper I haven't failed with one yet, and that comes from a bloke that couldn't coil a AGA T to save his life :mad:

The biggest problem I found with the ET Vision was judging the drops without flooding as different bottles have different size nossles, so I know use the same bottle and nossle the whole time for dripping (change juices if I wish when bottle gets empty) and I top up with 33 drops each refill and getting 3 and a half hours between topping up.

Hope that helps Mr C.

Mr. Chrome

TBS is getting in ribbon kanthal and ordinary kanthal in the next day or 2, would ribbon be better than .2 kanthal in the a7, looking for about 1.8ohms (i think?)

superneat

Don't have an a7, but from my experience with the ribbon kanthal, you would be better off aiming for 1.2Ω - 1.4Ω.
At the same resistance, the round and the flat wire, are very different.

I use 1.4Ω - 1.6Ω for most of my .2 kanthal coils and 1Ω - 1.2Ω with ribbon, and I find they give me the same result. Aside from that, the differences between the two types of wire are minute to me.

The best thing about the ribbon is the ease at which is it to coil and a lesser chance of a hotspot, but if you've done a few coils before and have the hang of it, then that's moot.

If the space to work with the coil is small in the a7 than I reckon you'd be better off with the round stuff. It will be easier to add or subtract a wrap, and if you did want a 1.8Ω coil than it will take quite a few wraps with the ribbon wire.

Mr. Chrome

Thanks again super, coil on the a7 is tiny (for me anyhow) might get both and see how I get on.

grindle

The 0.3x0.1 ribbon Kanthal has a higher resistance than .20 Kanthal.

37mm of 0.3x0.1 ribbon = 1.8ohms.

42mm of .20 Kanthal = 1.8ohms.

superneat

I would definitely say get the two to try, it's not like it will be waisted anyway. I have loads of both and will continue to buy both.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

if ribbon kanthal becomes readily available I might make another venture into the dark and frankly horrible world of genesis atomisers

maybe

Mr. Chrome

grindle wrote: »

The 0.3x0.1 ribbon Kanthal has a higher resistance than .20 Kanthal.

37mm of 0.3x0.1 ribbon = 1.8ohms.

42mm of .20 Kanthal = 1.8ohms.

Cheers, so I would need 1 or 2 more wrap of .2 kanthal (5mm difference) to get the same resistance? But your aiming for lower resistance with the ribbon?

superneat

It's not an exact science as such, wick diameters and pole placements have to be taken in to consideration as well.

superneat

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

if ribbon kanthal becomes readily available I might make another venture into the dark and frankly horrible world of genesis atomisers

maybe

It is readily available! Also there's nothing that horrible in the world of genesis atomisers :rolleyes:

It takes patience to get it right the first time. But when you do there's nothing to it.

DirtyBollox

I see ESI have a wick and mesh section, nothing there yet but you never know what they'll get for it.

superneat

I also see the UDT-L 510 has popped up in the Mod section. For the price, it would be a great backup device for someone.