Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

Calhoun

Was there a new gillette ad?

Defunkd

Calhoun wrote: »

Was there a new gillette ad?

I saw it last night during who wants to be a millionaire on vm1.

Calhoun

Must be a toned down TV version. I have to say i owe them one, for years i have just bought their razors out of habit because it was the first one i used.

Shopped around and got something really decent had the best shave in a long long time.

Kidchameleon

iptba wrote: »

No sign I saw it was a government programme.

Ah yes I missed the first part of your post. Some countries are trying to incentivise baby making though. Norway is for sure while others think migration is the answer to the pension time bomb

iptba

Only Women Speakers at Microbiome Conference

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/only-women-speakers-at-microbiome-conference--65537

“I am gratified that many people who have not previously been concerned with gender representation issues in scientific conferences are apparently concerned now,” Rob Knight, a UCSD microbiome expert tells the Union-Tribune. “We are glad that the event is drawing attention to these issues.”

I doubt there were any explicit bans on women presenting on particular days any time recently.

iptba

(UK)

Police force 'discriminated against white heterosexual male'
22 February 2019

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-47335859

The tribunal in Liverpool ruled Mr Furlong had been a victim of direct discrimination on the grounds of his sexual orientation, race and sex.

It ruled that while positive action can be used to boost diversity, it should only be applied to distinguish between candidates who were all equally well qualified for a role.

SlowBlowin

I experienced a fanatical feminist recently, and at the same time a weak and victimised male.

I was doing a site survey, giving advice to a friend of a friend, about the location of camera at the rear of an urban garden. Sitting down in the kitchen I spoke to the woman about where to site the camera and explained that it would be easy to run the cable under the rear decking, I glanced over to the husband and said "you can run the cable under the decking and drill though the wall". At this point the woman exploded with rage, "How dare you assume that a woman cant use a drill, etc etc". When speaking to couple I always look at both people during the conversation, and it just happened I was looking at the man, although I admit in my mind I assumed the man would be yielding the SDS drill. I was branded a sexist, I felt very uncomfortable, as they were friends of friend I did not say what I wanted to say and left shortly afterwards.

The man remained completely silent throughout, he looked subdued, depressed and sad.

I think the backlash over the original Gillette advert is going to have a real impact. It just went that extra bit to cement the resolve in the male population. Our household has not purchased a Gillette product since, and I have seen many people on boards say the same, it would be good to see it confirmed in sales figures.

Kidchameleon

What a c**t. Poor guy.

backspin.

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I experienced a fanatical feminist recently, and at the same time a weak and victimised male.

I was doing a site survey, giving advice to a friend of a friend, about the location of camera at the rear of an urban garden. Sitting down in the kitchen I spoke to the woman about where to site the camera and explained that it would be easy to run the cable under the rear decking, I glanced over to the husband and said "you can run the cable under the decking and drill though the wall". At this point the woman exploded with rage, "How dare you assume that a woman cant use a drill, etc etc". When speaking to couple I always look at both people during the conversation, and it just happened I was looking at the man, although I admit in my mind I assumed the man would be yielding the SDS drill. I was branded a sexist, I felt very uncomfortable, as they were friends of friend I did not say what I wanted to say and left shortly afterwards.

The man remained completely silent throughout, he looked subdued, depressed and sad.

I think the backlash over the original Gillette advert is going to have a real impact. It just went that extra bit to cement the resolve in the male population. Our household has not purchased a Gillette product since, and I have seen many people on boards say the same, it would be good to see it confirmed in sales figures.

And I'll bet she has never used the drill.

Defunkd

backspin. wrote: »

And I'll bet she has never used the drill.

Her Right to use the drill is more important than her ability to use it.

Pawwed Rig

Defunkd wrote: »

Her Right to use the drill is more important than her ability to use it.

When you think that The Life of Brian was considered absurd at the time

Defunkd

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I experienced a fanatical feminist recently, and at the same time a weak and victimised male.

No, you encountered a strong, confident, self-posessed woman who speaks up for herself and you only refer to her as "a fanatical feminist" because she didn't conform to your stereotype of what a housewife should be.
On the other hand, if she was a b1tch, it was probably because a male figure mistreated her in her early life and she should be shown compassion, empathy and understanding. It's not her fault.

Kidchameleon

Defunkd wrote: »

It's not her fault.

This is what feminists get wrong all the time. It is her fault. She is an adult and acted like a child. It is how the world of men and the world of women differ fundamentally. Men take responsibility while women pass it on.

py2006

SlowBlowin wrote: »

The man remained completely silent throughout, he looked subdued, depressed and sad.

I've encountered this a similar on several occasions. Its actually quite sad.

There are plenty of men with very controlling and manipulative wives/girlfriends. Their confidence destroyed and probably totally unaware of the situation they are in.

This is why it angers me and others on here that all these campaigns about domestic violence, abuse and controlling etc pander to the feminist (il)logic that only women can be victims and men are the perpetrators.

I knew a guy who used to a be a really outgoing guy and very sociable and popular. I saw him a few years later looking dreadfully subdued following his wife around like a zombie in a shopping centre while she ranted at him.

Kidchameleon

py2006 wrote: »

This is why it angers me and others on here that all these campaigns about domestic violence, abuse and controlling etc pander to the feminist (il)logic that only women can be victims and men are the perpetrators.

Female violence is psychological while male violence is physical. The former is far more prevalent because it leaves no physical scars and is not punishable by law.

py2006

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Female violence is psychological while male violence is physical. The former is far more prevalent because it leaves no physical scars and is not punishable by law.

I'm not so sure. I don't think either is always gender specific.

Kidchameleon

py2006 wrote: »

I'm not so sure. I don't think either is always gender specific.

There are always exceptions but in general, women are physically weaker than men so must rely on bullying tactics far more.

iptba

Kidchameleon wrote: »

There are always exceptions but in general, women are physically weaker than men so must rely on bullying tactics far more.

I think most men would be reluctant to use their strength on their female partners so I don’t think it necessarily follows like this.

py2006

Kidchameleon wrote: »

There are always exceptions but in general, women are physically weaker than men so must rely on bullying tactics far more.

That doesn't mean they don't hit out or indeed use something to hit with.

I remember reading something on the difference between men and women when it comes to accountability for their own violence (or words to that effect). Basically men know that if the lash out at another man they are fully aware and expecting the violence to be reciprocated. Whereas women generally don't and therefore lash out knowing (generally) there won't be any violent return (from men).

It's not just lashing out. The only fights I've ever been in have been getting randomly jumped or when a girl I was with started something with other people. Women get bailed out a lot more than men do and don't seem to realise it or appreciate it.

gizmo555

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Female violence is psychological while male violence is physical. The former is far more prevalent because it leaves no physical scars and is not punishable by law.

It's going to be:

Psychological or emotional abuse to be made legal offence

ligerdub

gizmo555 wrote: »

It's going to be:

Psychological or emotional abuse to be made legal offence

And who is being branded as the typical victim of such abuse? Women

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2019/0303/1033925-claire-byrne-clodagh-hawe/

I'm not suggesting that the tragedy and cruel acts committed on Clodagh (Hawe, I assume she went by that surname) and her children are unrelated to this particular issue. However, I think it's a bit disingenuous of RTE and other media outlets to suggest that coercive control is a womens rights issue and tie this story to it.

It shouldn't be held up as one of the many tools, along with physical abuse, used by a male domestic abuser on a female victim. Although that is true, it shouldn't be gendered.

Defunkd

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Female violence is psychological while male violence is physical. The former is far more prevalent because it leaves no physical scars and is not punishable by law.

Females are as capable of physical violence as males. Manipulation, verbal attacks and witholding of certain 'services' until the desired change in behaviour is adopted might be the more frequently used tools of the female species but we all have the same capacity for good/bad and men aren't more prone to violence.

A lot of women would love to beat the sheet out of some few people but just don't consider themselves to have the ability.

iptba

gizmo555 wrote: »

It's going to be:

Psychological or emotional abuse to be made legal offence

I posted a piece on this elsewhere on January 10:

Drivetime on RTE Radio 1 today had a piece on domestic violence and the new Irish law on coercive control where non-violent behaviour is also covered.

It can be heard here at https://rte.ie/r.html?rii=b9_10982839_83_10-01-2019_

The relevant bit starts at 35:22

The interviewees were Davina James-Hanman, a UK independent consultant specialising in domestic and sexual violence, and Margaret Martyn, director of Women's Aid

It wouldn't be much of a surprise that the woman from Women's Aid only talked about female victims.
However, the other woman is an independent consultant who trains police forces in the UK.
She only talked about female victims until the interviewer asked about whether men's rights groups were commenting on the law in the UK or whether men could be victims. She said something to the fact that it was almost impossible for men to be victims because of the general sexism in society and the power that men have. She doesn't all sound like the sort of person who should be teaching police forces about the law. I see on Twitter she describes herself as a feminist, which is not very surprising given how she talked.

She talked about how it can be useful to ask the alleged victim about the relationship. If there was a whirlwind romance, she said something to the effect that this circumstantial evidence of a relationship where there was coercive control. Similarly if the man had showered the woman with gifts. I am very uncomfortable with any suggestion that such behaviour should be used in a criminal investigation (it is another thing if people want to warn women to be wary of such relationships, but that wasn't the context).

I remember hearing a good while back that Women's Aid or similar group were educating gardai about domestic violence. I wonder what the current situation is. I could easily see that training could be biased.
At the start of the interview, a Garda Representative was complaining that they want more training for the new laws.

silverharp

dont be white and male in the uk, no mention about the disparity in the opposite direction in university

https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2019/mar/02/apprenticeships-should-be-used-to-improve-equality?CMP

Unfair share of trainee places is given to white boys, warns report

iptba

silverharp wrote: »

dont be white and male in the uk, no mention about the disparity in the opposite direction in university

https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2019/mar/02/apprenticeships-should-be-used-to-improve-equality?CMP

In England, women made up only 5% of people starting apprenticeship in construction, planning and the built environment. In contrast, women were over-represented in apprenticeships in poorly paid sectors, such as hairdressing and early-years care. They made up 94% of all apprenticeship starts in child development and wellbeing in England last year.

The article makes no reference to any data about applications. These figures could simply represent applicants' choices, rather than discrimination per se. And yet they call for positive discrimination measures to help women, though no mention is made of any possible need for positive discrimination from males in fields where there is a skew in the opposite direction.

silverharp

I saw this headline bouncing around twitter

https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1102620516131561472

tritium

silverharp wrote: »

I saw this headline bouncing around twitter

https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1102620516131561472

Unsurprisingly parts of the internet lost its **** when they saw this.

Not because google should be applauded for a logical data based approach and taking steps to address issues identified, regardless of gender affected (not to say google hasn’t other issues, god knows it has)

No, the issue was apparently they shouldn’t have addressed this, or were missing some nebulous systemic bias that was the “real” issue- grumble grumble patriarchy.

Doesn’t take much to see peoples true colors I guess

gizmo555

And, as it happens, these concerns were raised to the Oireachtas Justice Committee by two women experts on the topics.

Women in some family law cases have an "unfair" advantage as they can get legal aid while their former partners cannot, an Oireachtas committee has heard. TDs and senators were told of "a specific inequity" towards certain fathers due to qualifying criteria for civil legal aid.

The Oireachtas Justice Committee also heard evidence of an "imbalance in parental rights" with the courts failing to grant fathers enough access to their children

Dr Carol Coulter, director of the Child Care Law Reporting Project, said she came across cases where a working father on a modest wage was above the means threshold for legal aid, while his wife, if a mother, would typically not be working or working part-time, and would fall under the threshold.

"Therefore, when the marriage broke down she would be eligible for legal aid and he would not, giving rise to an inequality of arms in any kind of legal proceedings. It is clearly unfair," she said.

Dr Coulter said a solution would be to remove or significantly increase the means threshold, while asking for a means-related contribution from litigants.

The committee heard another serious issue having an impact on fathers was access to their children following a split.

Director of Arc Mediation, Dr Róisín O'Shea, who has researched the issue, said the "default" access order given by the courts to the parent not living with the children was every second weekend and one night during the week. In 97pc of cases the non-resident parent is the father.

Dr O'Shea discovered these sort of orders originated from expert reports in cases where there was a welfare issue raised in relation to a child.

"The every second weekend and one night during the week was meant to be the least amount of time a non-resident parent had with their child, not the norm," she said.

"What has happened is that all of our courts now order that as the norm. That is impacting on fathers and that is a very serious issue."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/women-are-getting-an-unfair-advantage-in-some-family-law-cases-37887950.html

Calhoun

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/men-have-teenyweeny-interest-in-gender-equality-says-minister-37891230.html

How they let this idiot in government I don't know, he is literally the worst representative for strong women and cannot even understand why men would not support positive discrimination.