New Bike Suggestions

dceire

I sold my trusty Honda CBF500 back in November and regret doing so ever since. The insurance was out and I was unemployed with a car on the go as well. The car insurance is now out this month and I'm itching to get back on two wheels.

I've about €2500 to spend and am looking for something in the 500/600 category that won't be too expensive to insure. I've a full licence with my restriction up in September. I was thinking maybe a Suzuki SV65O, I'm a big fan of the faired model. I was also thinking a Yamaha Frazer maybe. Both would be around 2005 ideally. Any other suggestions for me? I'd love a CBR or GSXR maybe but the insurance would be killer.

robot7080

Test drive an SV first. I had a hornet 250 for 2 years and looooved the SV650S (05). I went and bought one that looked amazing (every conceivable extra, GSXR front end, all black) but I just didn't enjoy it like the Hornet. Sold it 9 months later for a Hornet 600 and 2.5 years on I'm still not bored.

Of course I know thats just me but I missed the feel of the naked bike. I found the SV uncomfortable and a coont for commuting (and I'm only 5'9). The sporty bikes are a different animal all together!

dceire

robot7080 wrote: »

Test drive an SV first. I had a hornet 250 for 2 years and looooved the SV650S (05). I went and bought one that looked amazing (every conceivable extra, GSXR front end, all black) but I just didn't enjoy it like the Hornet. Sold it 9 months later for a Hornet 600 and 2.5 years on I'm still not bored.

Of course I know thats just me but I missed the feel of the naked bike. I found the SV uncomfortable and a coont for commuting (and I'm only 5'9). The sporty bikes are a different animal all together!

I actually quite like the Hornet as well, I take it you'd highly recommend one then?

I was looking at something like this naked Yamaha FZ too. This one is just outside my budget though.

http://www.adverts.ie/car/yamaha/other-yamaha/2004-yamaha-for-sale/2137668?notification=63989e3ad710ac2a56237c6257a084f1-1362407835#comment_13145265

kaimera

highly recommend the fz myself.

dceire

Any opinions on a Kawasaki ER-6?

duke 46

if you can go for the cbr 600 one of the best bikes you will ever buy you should get a r/cert for it dont fit it do send it on to your insurance you should get a few quid off just for the cert ive a bandit 1200 and the insurance is 255 so should be better for you

dceire

I'd love something like a CBR or GSXR but I'm trying to keep insurance costs down at the moment. I may want to do a small bit of touring at some stage as well, so a sports bike may not be the most comfortable for that.

Peanut2011

duke 46 wrote: »

you should get a r/cert for it dont fit it do send it on to your insurance you should get a few quid off just for the cert

And if you have an accident lose out on your cover.........

duke 46

And if you have an accident lose out on your cover.........[ do what ya have to do

Peanut2011

In that case, might as well ride around with no insurance!

Bikerguy

Peanut2011 wrote: »

And if you have an accident lose out on your cover.........

So if u dont claim upgrades like exhaust in your unsurance policy thats mean its not valid? I dont think so. No tech inspection you will only need to pay the difference. Between standart rate and adjusted.

So i think what you saying its not right but i may be wrong

Stainless_Steel

In general, no lad with less than two years experience should ride an unrestricted CBR600 IMO.

P.C.

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

In general, no lad with less than two years experience should ride an unrestricted CBR600 IMO.

Why?

Just interested to know why you have that opinion.

cojomo2

would you consider a z750? I have one and love it. Insurance should be cheap enough too.

Andy_Dublin

Hornet 600 are a lovely bike to ride and own, I had mine for 2 years and it gave me plenty of fun and no hassle at all, just ate some tyres lol.

I moved onto a CBR 600 from there, lovely bike not the best for commuting though and heavy on the wrists. Went onto an R6 from there, that was very very quick but was worse than the CBR to live with.

So now I'm on a 2003 Fazer 600 and I'm finding this one to be the best all rounder of them all. Very comfortable riding position and plenty of go (600cc Thundercat engine and R1 brakes) and in general an all around fun bike. None of the bikes I've had have given me any trouble so to that end they were all good buys, be careful when buying that you get a good one. I paid €2500 for my current bike which may seem expensive but it is immaculate and I have no doubt I would still get €2500 for it.

BlackWizard

I paid around 1600 for my 1998 first gen Fazer600. It's worth spending a bit more on these old bikes.

I've changed the fork oil and seals. If you add that onto the price it's about 1750 euro for it.

It's my second Fazer. I can't see myself ever moving away from them unless I went for a Fazer 1000. Although being 6'3 I do feel a bit cramped because my legs don't fit under the tank when changing gear or braking.

Stainless_Steel

P.C. wrote: »

Why?

Just interested to know why you have that opinion.

Because I believe motorcycles are very dangerous. A CBR600 is capable of serious speeds in both a straight line and around twisty roads. It would take a very level head to not be tempted to push on and drive beyond your limits, which are quite low when you are inexperienced.

Just an opinion of course. People can do their own thing.

Peanut2011

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

Because I believe motorcycles are very dangerous. A CBR600 is capable of serious speeds in both a straight line and around twisty roads. It would take a very level head to not be tempted to push on and drive beyond your limits, which are quite low when you are inexperienced.

Just an opinion of course. People can do their own thing.

Restricted Bandit 600 can still do quite comfortably 120kmph, on a small back road that would be suicide. Restriction only really limits your top revs, plenty of danger and speed in the bike before those top revs.

dceire

cojomo2 wrote: »

would you consider a z750? I have one and love it. Insurance should be cheap enough too.

Yea, I definitly would. I really like to look of the newer Kawasaki's too. I'd consider a ER-6 or Z750, definitely.

Andy_Dublin wrote: »

Hornet 600 are a lovely bike to ride and own, I had mine for 2 years and it gave me plenty of fun and no hassle at all, just ate some tyres lol.

I moved onto a CBR 600 from there, lovely bike not the best for commuting though and heavy on the wrists. Went onto an R6 from there, that was very very quick but was worse than the CBR to live with.

So now I'm on a 2003 Fazer 600 and I'm finding this one to be the best all rounder of them all. Very comfortable riding position and plenty of go (600cc Thundercat engine and R1 brakes) and in general an all around fun bike.

I'd definitely look at a Fazer but insurance quotes I've been getting on one are over €100 more expensive than on a SV650 for some odd reason.

dceire

Any opinions on this?
Suzuki SV650 Streetfighter.

http://www.adverts.ie/car/suzuki/other-suzuki/suzuki-for-sale/2724478

arybvtcw0eolkf

dceire wrote: »

Any opinions on this?
Suzuki SV650 Streetfighter.

http://www.adverts.ie/car/suzuki/other-suzuki/suzuki-for-sale/2724478

Nice looking bike, but I always suspect street fighters to have been a crashed bike fixed up on the cheap and sold as a street fighter.

Btw, I love street fighters but I'd rather make one my own.

dceire

Miriam Hundreds Traveller wrote: »

Nice looking bike, but I always suspect street fighters to have been a crashed bike fixed up on the cheap and sold as a street fighter.

Btw, I love street fighters but I'd rather make one my own.

I always think that too but isn't there a naked SV as well as the faired one?

Is there any way of telling if it is the naked model, from the tax book maybe?

arybvtcw0eolkf

dceire wrote: »

I always think that too but isn't there a naked SV as well as the faired one?

Is there any way of telling if it is the naked model, from the tax book maybe?

Looking closer and the head light assembly, clocks etc look straight and untouched.. A good giveaway can be universal headlight brackets, these one's look good.

It looks like a straight enough bike tbh.

dceire

Miriam Hundreds Traveller wrote: »

Looking closer and the head light assembly, clocks etc look straight and untouched.. A good giveaway can be universal headlight brackets, these one's look good.

It looks like a straight enough bike tbh.

I honestly wouldn't be able to tell if a bracket was original or not.

I might be interested in taking a trip out to see this one if I can find a way out there.

Wonda-Boy

Andy_Dublin wrote: »

Hornet 600 are a lovely bike to ride and own, I had mine for 2 years and it gave me plenty of fun and no hassle at all, just ate some tyres lol.

I moved onto a CBR 600 from there, lovely bike not the best for commuting though and heavy on the wrists. Went onto an R6 from there, that was very very quick but was worse than the CBR to live with.

So now I'm on a 2003 Fazer 600 and I'm finding this one to be the best all rounder of them all. Very comfortable riding position and plenty of go (600cc Thundercat engine and R1 brakes) and in general an all around fun bike. None of the bikes I've had have given me any trouble so to that end they were all good buys, be careful when buying that you get a good one. I paid €2500 for my current bike which may seem expensive but it is immaculate and I have no doubt I would still get €2500 for it.

I currently have a 2009 FZ6 and I love it, as was said its just a fabulous alround bike. I have toured a fair bit on it (mostly up north 400klm odd round trips) and I am sure it will be fine when I do Europe in the summer. Its quick and handles superbly when pushed.....

In my 1st yr on bikes with the FZ6 restricted I paid €499 fully comp with AON, never on a bike before and value of the bike was €5000. In my 2nd year now and I paid €340 fully comp with 1 yr no claims and a Grade 2 completed.

I would be very hard pushed to get rid of the bike I really would.

robot7080

dceire wrote: »

I actually quite like the Hornet as well, I take it you'd highly recommend one then?

I was looking at something like this naked Yamaha FZ too. This one is just outside my budget though.

http://www.adverts.ie/car/yamaha/other-yamaha/2004-yamaha-for-sale/2137668?notification=63989e3ad710ac2a56237c6257a084f1-1362407835#comment_13145265

Yeah it's a smashing bike. Bullet proof reliability, lots of poke, handles well, and a nice big fat tyre on the back for the twisties

I'm not a fan of the er6 - I just think they're dull. However I drove a fz before and thought they were a nice bike too. I happily have one but I think if you're looking for a good all rounder don't go too far from a hornet or fz. Plenty of value to be had nowadays... I'd get one in the next few weeks though - prices seem to inflate when (if ) the weather gets good.

dceire

robot7080 wrote: »

Yeah it's a smashing bike. Bullet proof reliability, lots of poke, handles well, and a nice big fat tyre on the back for the twisties

I'm not a fan of the er6 - I just think they're dull. However I drove a fz before and thought they were a nice bike too. I happily have one but I think if you're looking for a good all rounder don't go too far from a hornet or fz. Plenty of value to be had nowadays... I'd get one in the next few weeks though - prices seem to inflate when (if ) the weather gets good.

Yea, I'd like to get something soon enough if I can find the right bike; don't want to rush it at the same time. Interested in the SV650 I posted above but a Hornet or FZ would definitely be of interest to me. Had a lovely CBF500 up until November and I loved it, should never had sold it. Their engines are bombproof as well.

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

In my 1st yr on bikes with the FZ6 restricted I paid €499 fully comp with AON, never on a bike before and value of the bike was €5000. In my 2nd year now and I paid €340 fully comp with 1 yr no claims and a Grade 2 completed.

How'd you get such cheap quotes? I paid over €900 for my first year with a full licence and getting quoted €800 now with 1 years NCB.

dceire

I was looking at this online today and got a pretty decent quote from Adelaide on it; just found out that it was previously dropped though Should this put me off as much as it seems to?

http://www.adverts.ie/car/yamaha/other-yamaha/fzs-600-fazer/2802726


Also, is there any value to be had by travelling up North to buy a used bike? Any good websites I could look at to see what's available up there?

Peanut2011

dceire wrote: »

I was looking at this online today and got a pretty decent quote from Adelaide on it; just found out that it was previously dropped though Should this put me off as much as it seems to?

http://www.adverts.ie/car/yamaha/other-yamaha/fzs-600-fazer/2802726

I've had a look at the link and the bike looks quite nice, however I would have the problem with the fact that the current owner does not know if it was dropped or crashed.

I would be worried what was the extent of the damage and who did the repair.

Without full info I would steer clear of it. Not saying the seller is not genuine but if he does not have the info you are the one taking the gamble.

dceire

Peanut2011 wrote: »

I've had a look at the link and the bike looks quite nice, however I would have the problem with the fact that the current owner does not know if it was dropped or crashed.

I would be worried what was the extent of the damage and who did the repair.

Without full info I would steer clear of it. Not saying the seller is not genuine but if he does not have the info you are the one taking the gamble.

Yea, I knew there was a reason it was priced so well. I'm not willing to take a chance on it, especially when a faired SV is probably my first choice.

Andy_Dublin

dceire wrote: »

I'd definitely look at a Fazer but insurance quotes I've been getting on one are over €100 more expensive than on a SV650 for some odd reason.

I would say the reason for that is the power output, the SV650 is 70bhp and the FZ is 95 bhp. It's all down to personal taste really, if you want an SV more than any other bike hold out for a good clean one, you will get one and when you get bored of the SV it's an easy bike to sell.

Andy_Dublin

Here's my Fazer (and no it's not for sale lol). The Remus exhaust makes a lovely noise...

dceire

The Fazer is a lovely bike, don't get me wrong, it's grown on me a lot over the past few weeks. I just have a slight preference for the look of the SV; but, to be honest, if I found a nice clean example of either at the right price, I'd probably go for it.

Wonda-Boy

dceire wrote: »

The Fazer is a lovely bike, don't get me wrong, it's grown on me a lot over the past few weeks. I just have a slight preference for the look of the SV; but, to be honest, if I found a nice clean example of either at the right price, I'd probably go for it.

But that is the old model (foxeye) the newer FZ6 is a better alround bike and has a nicer styling IMHO. Basically a de-tuned R1 as it shares alot of the same features. Link to newer model, not saying you have the budget for it.

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/4545684

Andy_Dublin

Tbh I don't like the new shape Fazer at all, rode one before I bought that one and it just did not do it for me, engine note power delivery and styling not my cup of tea really.

As I said it's all down to what makes you happy, make sure you ride a few bikes before buying though to help you find out what exactly it is you want from the bike.

dceire

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

But that is the old model (foxeye) the newer FZ6 is a better alround bike and has a nicer styling IMHO. Basically a de-tuned R1 as it shares alot of the same features. Link to newer model, not saying you have the budget for it.

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/4545684

This naked version is closer to my budget. I've about 5 months left on my restriction though, which is becoming an increasing pain in my ass as I've to factor the cost of the restriction into my budget.

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/4751087

BlackWizard

I don't like the look of the newer Fazer but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. I wouldn't say no if one came along at a good price. But I prefer the older model and it's power curve.

^^ I think that's a pretty damn ugly bike. The screen is weird looking, colour is boring and it just looks dirty. The front wheel guard is black, maybe it should be gray like the rest of the bike.

kaimera

having had a fully faired sv650s as my first and then a naked fzs up till recently, fzs is all round better imo.
iirc the sv was classed higher than the fzs for insurance, thought strange, might have been the after market restriction tho ( non factory I mean)

no idea of the hornet myself.

dceire

kaimera wrote: »

having had a fully faired sv650s as my first and then a naked fzs up till recently, fzs is all round better imo.
iirc the sv was classed higher than the fzs for insurance, thought strange, might have been the after market restriction tho ( non factory I mean)

no idea of the hornet myself.

The SV650 is group 9 and FZ600 is group 11 as far as I'm aware.

Wonda-Boy

Factory restricted bike if you can (in other words its on the logbook not a seperate cert)...save yourself a fortune on insurance even as a 1st time biker (as opposed to aftermarket). AON recognise factory restricted bikes and are very good with prices.

dceire

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Factory restricted bike if you can (in other words its on the logbook not a seperate cert)...save yourself a fortune on insurance even as a 1st time biker (as opposed to aftermarket). AON recognise factory restricted bikes and are very good with prices.

Yea, in an ideal world that would be the plan but it's difficult enough to find a nice bike at the right price with even an after market restriction; never mind a factory one.

Wonda-Boy

True, it took me 2mths to get my 09 FZ6....got it with only 11,000Klms on the clock last June. There is nearly 40,000Klms on here now!

dceire

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

True, it took me 2mths to get my 09 FZ6....got it with only 11,000Klms on the clock last June. There is nearly 40,000Klms on here now!

Well, I sold the car yesterday and am completely wheel-less for the moment. Luckily, I'm not really stuck for my own transport at the minute; bicycle and bus will suffice.

So, the plan is to keep checking DoneDeal evey day in hope of unearthing a gem like yours; on less of a budget though :P

Andy_Dublin

To get a bike restricted only costs a few hundred euro, I know a place that will do it for most and supply the cert, that might be easier way to do it, although factory restricted Bandit 600's are the most common factory restricted bikes and they are easily unrestricted after your licence restriction expires.

dceire

Just saw THIS go up online today. It looks like a very clean bike and it has a restricted ECU. I was hoping to maybe pick up a 2005 example within my budget but this could be okay if the price is negotiable. Any opinions on the pricing of this bike? Also, it has 25k miles on the clock which I realise is no indication to the condition of the bike but fear it could turn off people when I come to resell the bike; especially if I put big mileage on the bike doing some European touring.

Wonda-Boy

dceire wrote: »

Just saw THIS go up online today. It looks like a very clean bike and it has a restricted ECU. I was hoping to maybe pick up a 2005 example within my budget but this could be okay if the price is negotiable. Any opinions on the pricing of this bike? Also, it has 25k miles on the clock which I realise is no indication to the condition of the bike but fear it could turn off people when I come to resell the bike; especially if I put big mileage on the bike doing some European touring.

Nice bike very clean.....25,000 miles is nothing as long as the bike was looked after and it seems to be. I would not be worrying about putting miles on a bike that is EXACTLY why you are getting it. Ride it like you stole it when you get it, and worry about milage the day you are selling it.

I got my bike with 11,000klm on it just over a year ago....there is nearly 40,000klms on it now!

Andy_Dublin

That is exactly what you are looking for, as long as the bike is clean and runs well I wouldn't mind the milage. Go and have a look anyway, I'd say you'd take it away for 2k. Fingers crossed it's as good as it looks, sounds like a genuine seller too.

dceire

Andy_Dublin wrote: »

That is exactly what you are looking for, as long as the bike is clean and runs well I wouldn't mind the milage. Go and have a look anyway, I'd say you'd take it away for 2k. Fingers crossed it's as good as it looks, sounds like a genuine seller too.

Yea, it is essentially the bike I'm looking for; if I'm being really picky I'd like a fully faired SV but now I'm just looking to have my cake and eat it too

Just a quick question on the restriction. The ECU is a kind of 'plug in and play' sort of job isn't it? Does it amount to a factory restriction in insurance terms or am I just clutching at straws?

Bikerguy

dceire wrote: »

Yea, it is essentially the bike I'm looking for; if I'm being really picky I'd like a fully faired SV but now I'm just looking to have my cake and eat it too

Just a quick question on the restriction. The ECU is a kind of 'plug in and play' sort of job isn't it? Does it amount to a factory restriction in insurance terms or am I just clutching at straws?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXc0EcpeQpg

easy stuff mate

for the restriction part you need a certificate, to get the insurance discount. but once you have it you can kinda run it full power

so if the bike is something you like why not go for it. for me its a little to much miles but all depends on the service, if it was done regulary and if the bike had no 15 owners it should be ok.

dceire

Bikerguy wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXc0EcpeQpg

easy stuff mate

for the restriction part you need a certificate, to get the insurance discount. but once you have it you can kinda run it full power

so if the bike is something you like why not go for it. for me its a little to much miles but all depends on the service, if it was done regulary and if the bike had no 15 owners it should be ok.

I know I'm being super picky here but the mileage is putting me off a bit. It pretty much has everything else I'm looking for and I know that once the bike has been taken care of there's no real issue. The thing is, there's a chance I may want to sell the bike at the end of the summer, if I do some travelling before then on it. I think that the mileage would impact my chances to sell the bike and recoup most, if not all, of my money on it. Still, I think I'd live with that if I could get it for 2k; I don't see him dropping that much though.

nerrad1983

dceire wrote: »

Just saw THIS go up online today. It looks like a very clean bike and it has a restricted ECU. I was hoping to maybe pick up a 2005 example within my budget but this could be okay if the price is negotiable. Any opinions on the pricing of this bike? Also, it has 25k miles on the clock which I realise is no indication to the condition of the bike but fear it could turn off people when I come to resell the bike; especially if I put big mileage on the bike doing some European touring.

Thats a member on here bike, i met him on one of the Sunday Spins with Mick & Gary during the summer

The bike is spotless, his username is Hornswoggle as far as i no mate

Hope this helps:cool: