Is Frank Warren hitting the skids?

el flaco

Accounts filed for his business recently looked like they didnt make pleasant reading.
There are reports that the Burns v Vasquez card will fall through because the contract hasn't been signed.
And now it seems George Groves is moving to Matchroom.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2013/3/3/4059096/ricky-burns-vs-miguel-vazquez-fight-in-doubt-contracts-not-finalized

There have been suggestions that Boxnation isn't doing to well either, but there doesn't seem to have been any hard facts to back this up.

clubwelly

You beat me to it el flaco.

Was chattin to some people at the Froch Mack fight and there were rumors about this. When I heard the news yesterday that Groves was out of the fight I though typical Warren card with pullouts at the last min cos of injuries.
Very surprised if Warren had a loose contract with Groves.

Chisora who is also on the bill still hasn't got his licence

barney4001

could'nt happen to s nicer guy

Henno30

Looks like Burns-Vazquez is definitely off now. Rumours had been floating around for a while.

unknown13

It looks more and more likely he is hitting the skids. Groves is gone, who was one of his better fighters. Rumors going around the internet for the last few months is the Kevin Mitchell is not happy at all with Warren. Now it seems in each story about the Burns fight being off that he is annoyed.

If Warren looses one more of his better fighters he is in trouble. That said, he owns his tv channel so can't be dropped from the tv company unlike the other promoters recently.

el flaco

The claim now is that the Vasquez fight has been pushed back because he has a viral infection caused by food poisoning. This seems very convenient given the rumours surrounding an unsigned contract and an undercard with question marks over it. Daniel Ponce de Leon also posted a pic of Vasquez in the gym on Saturday afternoon. If only Vasquez was holding that days newspaper the whole thing could be confirmed as a lie.

Frankie Lee

Apart from the loss of Boxnation which is a good channel, his demise is to be welcomed.

T-K-O

Considering the lack of boxing coverage it would be a shame if BoxNation went to the wall.

MD1990

it would be a good thing imo
all the top UK fighters would sign to Matchroom & be live on Sky

MD1990

MD1990 wrote: »

it would be a good thing imo
all the top UK fighters would sign to Matchroom & be live on Sky

See how long Sky keep putting money in with no competition.

MD1990

Deleted User wrote: »

See how long Sky keep putting money in with no competition.

Sky would have way more money than Box Nation lol
Sky will put in the money if the fighters are there
Box Nation is a rip off & is pretty poor coverage with Buncey on it
Sky's coverage is alot better even if they over hype the UK fighters but that is only natural to happen

megadodge

MD1990 wrote: »

Sky would have way more money than Box Nation lol
Sky will put in the money if the fighters are there
Box Nation is a rip off & is pretty poor coverage with Buncey on it
Sky's coverage is alot better even if they over hype the UK fighters but that is only natural to happen

Bottom line is Boxnation show WAAAAAAYYYYY more boxing than Sky.

If you want to listen to presenters talking and analysing, fine.
Most people want action!!

When Sky have a monopoly, just see how often they show the fights people actually want to see. This has already been proven.

Competition is always good.

unknown13

Deleted User wrote: »

See how long Sky keep putting money in with no competition.

Sky has competition with the promoters it released from contracts. Hennessey is on some channel, Maloney on another, Warren on boxnation.

Sky got sick and tired of bad fights from a leisure centre in the middle of England with woeful undercards. What sky are doing is actually the right thing, making promoters put on good cards and filling arenas, if they wanted to go anywhere.

People may look back and say Sky were wrong for doing what they did. The reality is, we are seeing more quality on sky and better fights now. Its a better change than some of the awful stuff we were used to.

MD1990

megadodge wrote: »

Bottom line is Boxnation show WAAAAAAYYYYY more boxing than Sky.

If you want to listen to presenters talking and analysing, fine.
Most people want action!!

When Sky have a monopoly, just see how often they show the fights people actually want to see. This has already been proven.

Competition is always good.

the only good fights are the ones in the US at 3am
which is too late & u can just watch it online the next day
there UK based fights are sh1t
also Primetime seem to show the PPV fights not Boxnation
Sky have Khan,Froch,Frampton,Bellew & Brook all decent fighters to watch

unknown13

The whole theory of Sky monopoly is bullshít. Promoters were not delivering, if and when Golden Boy come into the UK market. Do you not think Sky would snub them. No, Golden Boy have one intent and as Richard Schaefer said in an interview; They want to put on good shows. They have a much better stable than Matchroom for sure and can deliver what sky want.

Sky monopoly theory is nonsense in my eyes. Sky want to up the game and unfortunately few promoters couldn't meet Sky's requirements and lost their contracts. Boxing before Sky got rid of the promoters looking back on it was awful. Maloney had some shocking cards.

Dick phelan

MD1990 wrote: »

the only good fights are the ones in the US at 3am
which is too late & u can just watch it online the next day
there UK based fights are sh1t
also Primetime seem to show the PPV fights not Boxnation
Sky have Khan,Froch,Frampton,Bellew & Brook all decent fighters to watch

Khan Bellew Brook hardly the best in the world, boxnation had the mayweather cotto fight, have the hopkins fight coming up, have the martinez fight in april dont see how you think sky show better fighters if anything they mostly show british hype jobs and not the real top p4p guys

FTA69

megadodge wrote: »

If you want to listen to presenters talking and analysing, fine.
Most people want action!!

And talking complete sh*t on top of that.

el flaco

MD1990 wrote: »

the only good fights are the ones in the US at 3am
which is too late & u can just watch it online the next day
there UK based fights are sh1t
also Primetime seem to show the PPV fights not Boxnation
Sky have Khan,Froch,Frampton,Bellew & Brook all decent fighters to watch

To be fair, Primetime have PPV fights because they are a PPV channel. It doesn't necessarily make the matchups amazing, they're just charging for individual cards. A lot of fights that are shown on Boxnation and Sky would be PPV in the states, but not here. I wouldn't use PPV as a barometer for quality.

Sky are going PPV for the Froch v Kessler fight. I like Sky, but this is a bit of a joke. Yes, it's a good matchup, but with the fact that Sky's boxing output is reduced and boxing fans have to pay for Boxnation and Primetime on top of a Sky subscription, it's a bit high-handed. Sometimes I wish I liked sports like Cricket, you wouldn't be fleeced to watch it.

Also, even though Sky are putting on arena shows, I miss some of the smaller cards from places like the Harvey Hadden leisure centre. Some of the top of the bill matchups were cracking fights. The assumption is that we need to see megastars going up against each other, which we do, but a good fight can still exist at the lower levels, given the right matchmaking.

walshb

Froch-Kessler PPV is a joke. I won't be paying for that.

MD1990

Dick phelan wrote: »

Khan Bellew Brook hardly the best in the world, boxnation had the mayweather cotto fight, have the hopkins fight coming up, have the martinez fight in april dont see how you think sky show better fighters if anything they mostly show british hype jobs and not the real top p4p guys

yes but there all early in the morning
id just watch them the next day on youtube

Dick phelan

MD1990 wrote: »

yes but there all early in the morning
id just watch them the next day on youtube

The real mega fights all tend to be on late because they are in the states, Froch fights are only on at good times because they are in the uk but when he fought ward that was on late, and when khan fights they are all on late same if brook goes and fights alexander, i honestly have not seen much of a difference between the quality of fights on sky and those on boxnation, there have been some cracking fights on boxnation since it was started

gaybeer

Burns is leaving Warren too.

el flaco

And murmurs of Kevin Mitchell leaving too?

FTA69

gaybeer wrote: »

Burns is leaving Warren too.

Any link to this? Today's Boxing News made no mention of it. He's f*cked if that's the case. Not to worry though, Derek Chisora is sticking with him and that's all that matters really.

T-K-O

skysports...

T-K-O

MD1990 wrote: »

Sky would have way more money than Box Nation lol
Sky will put in the money if the fighters are there
Box Nation is a rip off & is pretty poor coverage with Buncey on it
Sky's coverage is alot better even if they over hype the UK fighters but that is only natural to happen

Thats the problem with Sky. They are only interested in the quick buck. If there is a lull talent wise they wouldn't think twice on dropping boxing from the schedule.

Wasn't Khan PPV after a few fights. That was joke and also had a negative effect on his career.

A dedicated channel is a great idea, hopefully it survives and grows.

gaybeer

Its on the Sky Sports website

RICHIE26188

If Cleverly leaves Warren he is thread bare, I cant see how Box nation can continue as a stand alone channel without any big names

RICHIE26188

FTA69 wrote: »

Any link to this? Today's Boxing News made no mention of it. He's f*cked if that's the case. Not to worry though, Derek Chisora is sticking with him and that's all that matters really.

He could always set up in Luxembourg, at least Del can get a license there :pac:

unknown13

Burns is in a great position. He will either go to GBP or Matchroom. Matchroom is the better option in my eyes. There is a new 7000 arena in Glasgow and Hearn will have him fighting up there regularly.

Burns also could move up soon and if he stays unbeaten, could challenge Amir Khan. Broner is also the other very obvious fight.

Johner

unknown13 wrote: »

Broner is also the other very obvious fight.

I don't think he wants it.

Broner would dismantle Burns with ease.

T-K-O

Johner wrote: »

I don't think he wants it.

Broner would dismantle Burns with ease.

Based on what?

Johner

T-K-O wrote: »

Based on what?

Don't get me wrong I like Burns and what he has done the last few years has been brilliant after the slow start to his career but Broner is on a different level to him. Too classy for him.

T-K-O

Johner wrote: »

Don't get me wrong I like Burns and what he has done the last few years has been brilliant after the slow start to his career but Broner is on a different level to him. Too classy for him.

I guess time will tell.

Broner looks the part but he doesn't deserve the reputation that follows him around, maybe in time.

Based on watching both guys I cannot bring myself to say Broner handles him with ease.

Big Ears

Johner wrote: »

I don't think he wants it.

Broner would dismantle Burns with ease.

You could bet your house on Burns wanting that fight. Warren on the other hand was likely trying to do all in his power to stop that fight from happening.

el flaco

Big Ears wrote: »

You could bet your house on Burns wanting that fight. Warren on the other hand was likely trying to do all in his power to stop that fight from happening.

Warren said he wanted Burns to win the IBF title from Vasquez so they would be in a better bargaining position against Broner. I can see where he's coming from there, but with all the faffing about Burns has had to do in the last year or so there comes a point where you just have to move on. He's 29 now and from a competitive point of view, rather than monetary, this is his best window to take on Broner. Plus, if he waits around too much longer, Broner may well have moved up, leaving a payday and a potential career defining fight as nothing more than a regret.

walshb

Broner IMO eats Burns. It's a fight I wanna' see. Of all the boxers out there today I think Broner presents us with the best stylistic match ups across the board.

Big Ears

el flaco wrote: »

Warren said he wanted Burns to win the IBF title from Vasquez so they would be in a better bargaining position against Broner. I can see where he's coming from there, but with all the faffing about Burns has had to do in the last year or so there comes a point where you just have to move on. He's 29 now and from a competitive point of view, rather than monetary, this is his best window to take on Broner. Plus, if he waits around too much longer, Broner may well have moved up, leaving a payday and a potential career defining fight as nothing more than a regret.

Well that's reliable !, Warren seemingly only wanted the Vasquez fight if he could get Vasquez over on short money.

I do agree though, if Ricky can't get a new promoter who can guarantee a fight with Vasquez soon, then they've got to go straight for the Broner fight before the opportunity to fight him is gone.

RICHIE26188

If Hearn got Burns, first thing he'd do is match him up with Rees - no brainer for him as one of his stable will still be world champion

el flaco

Looks like Golden Boy (among others) are showing an interest in Burns.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2013/3/8/4078352/ricky-burns-approached-by-golden-boy-following-split-warren-boxing-news

RICHIE26188

That would make sense as well, could see them throwing him straight in with Broner in a Unification bout

Either way theres big fights out there for Burns no matter who he signs with

Dick phelan

If Burns is going to fight Broner he would want to move quick, i don't see Broner waiting around for long before moving up to 140, Warren really is fecked Burns was his biggest fighter, and groves was someone who seemed to have real potential and be a big name, who is he left with now Cleverly, Chisora, How long before Cleverly jumps ship to someone else, lets be real Chisora has lost 4 fights not a real quality fighter add to that the fact he aint even licenced what real big name fighter does Warren have left

walshb

Broner will be at LWW come the later part of 2013.

el flaco

Dick phelan wrote: »

If Burns is going to fight Broner he would want to move quick, i don't see Broner waiting around for long before moving up to 140, Warren really is fecked Burns was his biggest fighter, and groves was someone who seemed to have real potential and be a big name, who is he left with now Cleverly, Chisora, How long before Cleverly jumps ship to someone else, lets be real Chisora has lost 4 fights not a real quality fighter add to that the fact he aint even licenced what real big name fighter does Warren have left

The next biggest names on his books are probably Lebedev, John Murray, Kevin Mitchell, Frankie Gavin, Billy Joe Saunders.... (Please note, I'm picking these names based on 'recognisability', I'm not vouching for their world-conquering potential )

He does have quite a few boxers on his books including Gary O' Sullivan.
http://www.frankwarren.com/boxers.html

Dick phelan

el flaco wrote: »

The next biggest names on his books are probably Lebedev, John Murray, Kevin Mitchell, Frankie Gavin, Billy Joe Saunders.... (Please note, I'm picking these names based on 'recognisability', I'm not vouching for their world-conquering potential )

He does have quite a few boxers on his books including Gary O' Sullivan.
http://www.frankwarren.com/boxers.html

From rumours going around Mitchell is not happy with Warren either so he might leave him, It seems any fighter that gets really big splits with Warren honestly has any big name fighter ever stayed with Warren the whole way look at, Hatton Calzaghe, Naz, they all left him, i belive its because he dosnt like putting his fighters into real tough fights or mega fights keeps them safe far to long

unknown13

RICHIE26188 wrote: »

If Hearn got Burns, first thing he'd do is match him up with Rees - no brainer for him as one of his stable will still be world champion

That fight was a no brainer before Rees fought Broner. Now it isn't doesn't make sense now, let Rees get back to winning ways then fight Burns.

FTA69

Dick phelan wrote: »

lets be real Chisora has lost 4 fights not a real quality fighter

Not a quality fighter? He's complete and utter sh*t.

Underground

Eddie Hearn is to announce a "major new signing" at a press conference on Monday. I'd imagine that would be Ricky Burns then.

unknown13

Eddie Hearn announcing big signing on Monday. Most likely a Warren fighter.

el flaco

Burns won't be fighting Broner next anyway. Broner's stepping up 2 divisions to fight Malignaggi
http://www.badlefthook.com/2013/3/10/4085216/adrien-broner-vs-paulie-malignaggi-official-june-22-barclays-center-boxing

unknown13

Burns gone to Hearn. Warren is in big trouble.