End Game, perceptions and initial opinions?

mozattack

I am actually looking forward to this DLC a little less than others, I don't know why.

I do think the dirt bikes and ramps is a massive gimmick edging towards something an eleven year old might like, not me though.

I am looking forward to capture the diamond but I fear these maps will be too big and if I want a motor game I'd play Gran Turismo. We will see.

the_syco

CTF, bikes and ramps will ensure that bikes will almost be 90% used, as they'll probably have rivers or holes you'll have to cross by ramps only. In turn, these will be mined and C4'ed to the point that these will be ignored.

Truth be told, I haven't played BF3 in months. I've completely switched over to playing ARMA2 as games can last longer, and the server-side mods such as wasteland make it awesome.

The CTF is the only thing that will bring me back, and I'd say if this sucks, many people I know won't be going back.

I'm guessing PSN Premium will get it on the 5th, and then PC & XBOX Premium will get it a week later, etc?

Yousef

I actually think this is going to be the BEST DLC we will get, it's just a shame they waited until now to release it. If we had of got capture the flag etc as standard back in 2011 then it might have turned a few more heads. Battlefield 4 Beta is out in a couple of months...so I feel this should have been out earlier but whatever...

I think this is going to be great for the ctf mode and the dirtbikes. We've all seen the trailer...it looks unbelievably chaotic. This dlc is probably the most I've looked forward to one since Back to Karkand.

the_syco

Yousef wrote: »

I think this is going to be great for the ctf mode and the dirtbikes. We've all seen the trailer...it looks unbelievably chaotic. This dlc is probably the most I've looked forward to one since Back to Karkand.

Aye, if CTF mode came out with the first batch of DLC's, I'd still be playing it.

Lafortezza

I know way less about Endgame maps and visuals than I did for Aftermath's release. Looking forward to the bikes and new assignments though, although Jet superiority will be wasted on me as I can't fly jets to save my life.

I can see myself playing the hell out of it for a month or so and then dropping BF3 almost altogether.

iColdFusion

Looking forward to the bikes and new maps but Air Superiority will be dead in a week.
Not sure about CTF, could be fun if both teams go all out attack but I predict flags covered in mines, C4, soflam and javelins.

BlitzKrieg

Looking forward to the bikes and new maps but Air Superiority will be dead in a week

Actually I'll bet it'll be much more popular then tank superiority simply for the fact that there are still quite a few players who have trouble ranking up their jets (despite having over a year since release) and air superiority will be used both as a quicker route to ranking up jets, and as a training ground to improve, simply because of the higher number of jets available.

though lack of stingers and the very different amount of numbers will mean you will not effortlesssly transition to conquest/rush.

Nuri Sahin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUcqzXG5Fg8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZZ-pYk82nE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeeimhLOHP0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIPYVshBvKs

iColdFusion

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

Actually I'll bet it'll be much more popular then tank superiority simply for the fact that there are still quite a few players who have trouble ranking up their jets (despite having over a year since release) and air superiority will be used both as a quicker route to ranking up jets, and as a training ground to improve, simply because of the higher number of jets available.

though lack of stingers and the very different amount of numbers will mean you will not effortlesssly transition to conquest/rush.

In my experience (on xbox) the gulf between the majority good/average jet pilots and a great one is huge, I'm in the average catagory and every now and then I get my ass completely handed to me by one guy dominating the skies that no-one can touch, these guys will kill Air Superiority IMHO.

Yousef

Air Superiority is going to be AWESOME!

And that's coming from someone who is particularly crap in air based vehicles.

Take a look at this. FrankieonPC1080p played a game called War Thunder. Now, it's not Battlefield but watching this, you can get a better idea of what to expect DICE are aiming for! I think this is going to be one of the better DLC's. It'll get everyone nice and excited for BF4.

Nuri Sahin

Awesome.. awesome for those who are awful to average in jets and can only spam heat seeker missiles.

Yousef

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Awesome.. awesome for those who are awful to average in jets and can only spam heat seeker missiles.

FU

:cool:

ktulu123

Hate guys that use heat seekers Looking forward to this DLC though

MajesticDonkey

Why are the players they use in the videos (i.e. the devs) always complete ****e?

ktulu123

Dont think they were the devs, probably press guys. But they made it look so **** haha

Nuri Sahin

I'll be quite brief on this as I'm tired and to be honest, my time on End Game isn' anything to shout about. A few games of rush, half a dozen games of CTF and around ten minutes of Air Superiority. Didn't get a chance to play CQ yet though from what I've heard, I should be worried but anyway, I'll judge that for myself later on.

CTF is excellent. Really, really fun. The maps are designed for that and work so well as a result. It's a crying shame they didn't release it at launch or either around Back to Karkand or Close Quarters time. I think a lot of the maps, namely the vanilla maps would've also have worked well with it. I think 12 vs 12

Rush is just very meh. I stress I've only played a few games on it, so it's not a big enough sample size to judge perhaps and I'll probably give it a few more chances but rush in general, which was the main gametype I've played in BF3 has pretty much run it's course for me. Go through the motions these days playing it tbh.

Air Superiority is everything I feared (see above comment). It's a Heat Seeker Superiority. Again, he sample size isn't big enough perhaps and I'm not one to rush judgement usually but I'm worried. I can't see myself playing it despite being a capable pilot. Game consisted of kill assists, team and enemy flying into me (literally a handful of seconds of joining my first game, the enemy had flew into me!) and capping the odd flag.

So yeah, so far CTF is all that's it is cracked up to be. The rest, meh.

Love the snow and log/lake map I forgot to add.

Joeface

lazy question ...

Is end game included in the 6gb patch that appeared or will it be like last time a patch a week before and then another 1+GB for the install. (must be pushing 30+gb at this stage for the game SSD running out of space)

Its in the middle of the month it may eat into my Download limit this time.

MajesticDonkey

Joeface wrote: »

lazy question ...

Is end game included in the 6gb patch that appeared or will it be like last time a patch a week before and then another 1+GB for the install. (must be pushing 30+gb at this stage for the game SSD running out of space)

Its in the middle of the month it may eat into my Download limit this time.

Apparently the patch has absolutely no DLC content in it, meaning there will be another 3-4GB download for the DLC itself next week.

ktulu123

Oh **** really? What the hell is in the patch then?

Spear

ktulu123 wrote: »

Oh **** really? What the hell is in the patch then?

Could just be patching the main game files to support the new weapons/badges/other shared content. While the next patch is the End Game specific stuff, such as vehicles and maps.

DeSelby83

this may be a stupid question but do thses patches replace older files or are they totally new files that take up extra space. I mean this in a general term and not just in relation to this particular update

Snowie

emm you can make dirt bike go really high with jumps c4 mines and mores :cool:

we blew someone in the dead zone last night

ctf was and is till confusing but fun i like ctf

Spear

DeSelby83 wrote: »

this may be a stupid question but do thses patches replace older files or are they totally new files that take up extra space. I mean this in a general term and not just in relation to this particular update

Both.

Soby

AS is meh , Rush was ok , ( hard to judge after 1 game ) , about to play CTF now , Nothing special overall so far

Nuri Sahin

Caved in

Beam Scanning, Flares and Heat Seekers I've changed to and I'm doing better today in Air Superiority.

MajesticDonkey

Insider knowledge is that the DLC itself is actually included in the 6GB patch.

Don't kill the messenger!

mozattack

Well…

Played it last night for around an hour and a half and my initial impressions are hit and miss but that is usually the case with me and new DLC.

CTF was unreal muck, basically is a set of people driving around aimlessly with almost 100% of kills being AT mines or Javelin. I think it was decent on the railroad track, absolutely ****e on the others. I spawned into a few games and all I found was a tank in the enemy base spawn killing. Wow such fun… the guys were on my team and I PSN-ed them to say “REPORTED” to mess about but they just carried on to get their precious K/D ratio. Granted that kinda stuff might be weeded out but it is all I remember from last night.

I was VERY disappointed with it.

Rush and CQ seem excellent though, maps look amazing and I can’t wait to know them more. Defending on Rush were more dominant so I never saw past the first base so my initial comments are well, very initial.

MajesticDonkey

mozattack wrote: »

the guys were on my team and I PSN-ed them to say “REPORTED” to mess about but they just carried on to get their precious K/D ratio.

And you wonder why people disagree with you in this forum? Leave people play the game the way the want to and stop giving out about it. Thank fcuk I'm not a console player and I'll never come across you in a game.

mozattack

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

And you wonder why people disagree with you in this forum? Leave people play the game the way the want to and stop giving out about it. Thank fcuk I'm not a console player and I'll never come across you in a game.

Ok, there is nothing wrong with being a tryhard AEK/M16 assault spammer spawn killing so.

Respect.

[sorry but I thought the point of CTF who to, ah, capture the flag, not sit in the opposing spawn to rack up kills...my bad]

MajesticDonkey

mozattack wrote: »

Ok, there is nothing wrong with being a tryhard AEK/M16 assault spammer spawn killing so.

No there isn't, even though I don't play that way the majority of the time.

mozattack wrote: »

[sorry but I thought the point of CTF who to, ah, capture the flag, not sit in the opposing spawn to rack up kills...my bad]

Yeah, maybe that is the point. Then again the point of being a defender on Rush is actually defending, not pushing out and attacking the attacking team - which the majority of players do. Most of the time you're actually better off holding a line near the MCOMs. Do you consider sitting in a mobile AA a legitmate way to play Conquest? It's far from PTFOing, yet people still do it. What about snipers who sit in their base sniping? Plenty of those too. All of these annoy me, but I don't constantly give out about it. They payed for the game, and it's not against EA's ToS to play it that way. So quit moaning about it.

mozattack

I dont know why I have to quit moaning about it... not moaning is accepting that kinda of ****e.

The examples you have are great examples of the braindead people who play the game... i saw one guy who had over 700 hours in a AA... seriously... >700 hours.

That is fine on PC when 2-3 losers out of a team of 32 makes feck all difference but 3 in a game of 24 is a quarter of one team.. similar to having three players sent off in football.

I am playing the game with these clowns so I have a right to moan about it.

Logical Fallacy

I found a Dino Easter Egg, turns out I was the first person to get this uploaded, so sitting around 40K views right now.

As for End Game, its okay. Just more of the same really, CTF is fun but nothing amazing, maps are fine but dont display the epic design of Aftermath.

I'm stuggling with enjoying it on PS3 I am honest, I just want it to drop for PC so I can play it there. The PC has really relight the fire in me for BF3 as I feel like a noob again and have so much to learn its awesome.

I will be honest and say I felt bad for feeling this way until I was playing with Jack Frags the other night and we talked about it and decided the game really just does feel completely different on PC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5laV853CS0w

MajesticDonkey

mozattack wrote: »

I dont know why I have to quit moaning about it... not moaning is accepting that kinda of ****e.

You have very little to moan about if that's the case, I hope for your sake it stays that way.

EDIT:

I will be honest and say I felt bad for feeling this way until I was playing with Jack Frags the other night and we talked about it and decided the game really just does feel completely different on PC.

Wait....what?!

Spear

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

Wait....what?!

I'm hoping that's another player....

Logical Fallacy

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

Wait....what?!

Yeah, I was in a call with some fellow Youtubers and Jack joined us for a good few games. Really nice guy I have to say. Hopefully be playing with him again soon, we were doing some damage as a duo on a bike lol.

MajesticDonkey

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Yeah, I was in a call with some fellow Youtubers and Jack joined us for a good few games. Really nice guy I have to say. Hopefully be playing with him again soon, we were doing some damage as a duo on a bike lol.

Video or it didn't happen lol Fair play.

ktulu123

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I found a Dino Easter Egg, turns out I was the first person to get this uploaded, so sitting around 40K views right now.

Fair play dude! You must join us next week when it's released on PC!

hypermuse

aint had a chance to play end game yet but found this amusing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyNuoxg_SoY

Logical Fallacy

ktulu123 wrote: »

Fair play dude! You must join us next week when it's released on PC!

Oh I will, still mostly a noob on PC though, so easy fodder for you guys for a while yet! lol

Nuri Sahin

So yeah, after a couple of more days I'm certainly enjoying the DLC much more having adjusted to the maps and taken it all the high and low traffic routes.

Love all the maps now except for (Nabandan Flats), it's not terrible per se but despite having some really good games on it, it's my least favourite. The other three maps are just superb, both in how the games usually flow on each of maps as well as the overall appearance. Shame there isn't more snow maps like Sabalan Pipeline I should also add. River map which name escapes me at present is probably my favourite and just edges Salaban Pipeline.

CTF is still fantastic fun, such a breath of fresh air! As I said above, the maps were clearly made for CTF and they excel when this gametype is played. That's not taking anyway from Conquest on these maps by the way.
Rush I've only played one game of it (defence on Kiasar Railroad) since the first day, went well. Still need to play more games on it tbh before giving a solid opinion.

So yeah, getting my head around it all finally. For me it's the second best DLC we've received. Back to Karkand is still numero uno for me.

mozattack

Played some more EG last night….
I must say that Rush is brilliant on it... Operation Riverside has the potential to be a classic map. There are so many places the enemy can come from (speaking as a defender) and it is difficult to spot because of the woodland setting. The map also goes on for 5 bases so you are looking at a 30 minute battle most times which is brilliant.
Really enjoyed Operation Snowstorm also, great map for Rush.
The dessert one only lasted 8 minutes so it was ****e enough but I had played that map the day before on rush and it was really good… kinda reminds me of the second set of basis on the Oasis map in BFBC2.
Didn’t get to play Railroad map. 

Played some more CFT… this is absolute rubbish. I took one of the posters advice above and decided to spawn kill which was funny, went 10-0 in the Abrams and got some heated messages until I got bored of it. This mode simply doesn’t work. On the next map a guy in my squad was recon and he had a spawn beacon in the enemy base so we spawn in and kill them while they were defending…. I think the game went on for 20 minutes and no-one even bothered with the flag apart from a few on a suicide mission on their bikes (javelin = dead in seconds).
It is a good laugh purely for trolling which is a shame as I remember playing Far Cry 2 a lot on this mode which was brilliant but looking back the difference was that it was only infantry, it doesn’t work with so many vehicles.

mozattack

I must say putting a claymore on the dirt bike is funny... granted you have to wait but well worth it. BANG

BTW; who is Jack Frags?

ktulu123

Awesome YouTuber

BlitzKrieg

Controversial YouTube. Didn't he and frankie get accused of using hacks in dayz?

MajesticDonkey

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

Controversial YouTube. Didn't he and frankie get accused of using hacks in dayz?

No, it was just Frankie. But Jack probably did know about it. Then again, maybe he didn't know about it, because Frankie's videos were/are so heavily edited.

Nuri Sahin

B Mcom in the warehouse on Nabandan Flats is one massive pain to plant! Suggest anyone playing rush go for that straight away, put down a spawn beacon and parachute onto the warehouse so you can kill the people on the catwalk inside of it.

Rush on these maps is geared towards defence no doubt about that.

Logical Fallacy

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

Controversial YouTube. Didn't he and frankie get accused of using hacks in dayz?

Frankie kind of messed up with his series a bit. After a while it kind of appeared that he may have had the Admin window open while playing...just kind of preternaturally knowing where people would be etc.

I've seen Jack get dropped a good bit in his Day Z stuff.

Besides, you dont even have to hack...my friends run a server where I record my Day Z series...they have a kind of Admin panel which tells you where people are at all times....it also shows their history of movement...so the Admin can see if some dude randomly teleports (a hack) or if everyone else gets teleported to the one spot (another hack) he can see who didn't move and knows they are the hacker.

These are good guys though, they never have the Admin panel open unless they think there is a hacker on the server and when they do that they log out and jump out of our Skype call so they dont inadvertantly say anything they shouldnt.

We get dropped all the time on the server, it's really the only proof that someone isnt hacking...if some dude gets the drop on you then you will most likely die, its the nature of the game.

DeSelby83

anyone know what time this is out on xbox today? it is today isnt it?

PhlegmyMoses

DeSelby83 wrote: »

anyone know what time this is out on xbox today? it is today isnt it?

I'm taking an update down now with all the improvements to the game. 2gb. Not sure what time EndGame actually comes out.

Nuri Sahin

One and only real complaints about CTF.

The fact that other teams can saunter right up to your chopper and take it. There should be a restricted zone around it with a timer of 3 seconds.

The amount of bellends, who'll take your flag and camp at the very back of their base for pretty much the entire game with half their team seemingly, tank, Stingers, RPG's, Javelins, repair tools and mines! Me hole the vast majority are simply using a legit tactic, they're camping for their K/D.

Despite those complaints, the positives experiences of CTF far and away outweigh the negative but nonetheless, in the wrong lobby it can be beyond frustrating at times. While I'm on my last legs with regards to BF3, I'm thankful that CTF was introduced but disappointed it wasn't in from the start.

mozattack

Nuri, I am really surprised you like it?

I played CTF last night (http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/battlereport/show/4/84694697/278703154/).

How was I MVP?

I didn't even touch a flag, I just went to their base and killed them in their spawn, AT mines, shooting them in choppers, etc...

It is pathetic... I did it cos I had 20 mins to spare and was sick of others getting me.