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Something is certainly wrong with our welfare system.

A guy I know who has been on the dole for a while now (a few years) has posted up online that he's getting himself a brand new top of the range smartphone (one I and most people I know can't afford).
I regularly see him out drinking with his mates and shmokin haeps of fags. I can't afford to do that often (and I don't smoke). I know he doesn't have any work, so his sole income is welfare.

Before people say it, I've no mortgage, big phone bills, car payments, etc. as I'm a student. Why is it that I have been taxed and charged into debt for going to college, while the guy who has voluntarily not tried to do anything with himself is living it up and buying himself expensive gadgets?

tl;dr: butthurt/thinly veiled 'I'm so poor' thread.

SV

drugs, definitely drugs.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

Maybe he is also on the game. I know a guy who "entertains" old women for money. I think there's a thread around here about it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Angela Scarce Trailer wrote: »

Something is certainly wrong with our welfare system.

A guy I know who has been on the dole for a while now (a few years) has posted up online that he's getting himself a brand new top of the range smartphone (one I and most people I know can't afford).
I regularly see him out drinking with his mates and shmokin haeps of fags. I can't afford to do that often (and I don't smoke). I know he doesn't have any work, so his sole income is welfare.

Before people say it, I've no mortgage, big phone bills, car payments, etc. as I'm a student. Why is it that I have been taxed and charged into debt for going to college, while the guy who has voluntarily not tried to do anything with himself is living it up and buying himself expensive gadgets?

tl;dr: butthurt/thinly veiled 'I'm so poor' thread.

Either he's doign somehting illegal or he has some othter form of capital. Inheritance, possibly? Or a gift?

Tombi!

Well, not working, he could probably avoid such things as bus fare and petrol and the likes.
He could probably get by with maybe 20 euro worth of food. So that'll leave (assuming he gets the full 188) about 168 for him to do whatever with.
Maybe he lives at home and has no bills.

Where To

OP, your broadband is over 1452 times faster than mine. Quit your moaning.

Steve O

Angela Scarce Trailer wrote: »

has posted up online

I didn't believe you up until this point but HE POSTED IT ONLINE?????!!!!!

Jesus tap-dancing Christ wares me pitchfork?

Chucken

Its been agessss since we had a dole bashing thread :rolleyes:

Seachmall

I'm happy for him and wish him well.


There, I said it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Steve O wrote: »

I didn't believe you up until this point but HE POSTED IT ONLINE?????!!!!!

Jesus tap-dancing Christ wares me pitchfork?

There;s a whole pile of them to your right, just pick one.

ldxo15wus6fpgm

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Well, not working, he could probably avoid such things as bus fare and petrol and the likes.
He could probably get by with maybe 20 euro worth of food. So that'll leave (assuming he gets the full 188) about 168 for him to do whatever with.
Maybe he lives at home and has no bills.

He and I live in a rural area so no bus fares! He lives at home with the parents alright. Seems a little over the top to be getting more than a hundred a week on the dole if you're living with parents though.

Wabbit Ears

I know folk like the OP is talking about and its simply that they are cheap as fcuk with loads of things like food etc and prioritize their money on fancy stuff.

SV

Steve O wrote: »

I didn't believe you up until this point but HE POSTED IT ONLINE?????!!!!!

Jesus tap-dancing Christ wares me pitchfork?

I think he's just saying how he found out the information.

Calm down with the sarcasm

Steve O

SV wrote: »

Calm down with the sarcasm

Sarcacist.

Retrovertigo

It's actually none of your business, OP. He could spend it however he likes whether you like it or not.

Yakult

Angela Scarce Trailer wrote: »

Something is certainly wrong with our welfare system.

A guy I know who has been on the dole for a while now (a few years) has posted up online that he's getting himself a brand new top of the range smartphone (one I and most people I know can't afford).
I regularly see him out drinking with his mates and shmokin haeps of fags. I can't afford to do that often (and I don't smoke). I know he doesn't have any work, so his sole income is welfare.

Before people say it, I've no mortgage, big phone bills, car payments, etc. as I'm a student. Why is it that I have been taxed and charged into debt for going to college, while the guy who has voluntarily not tried to do anything with himself is living it up and buying himself expensive gadgets?

tl;dr: butthurt/thinly veiled 'I'm so poor' thread.

How do you regularly see him out drinking and smoking if your in college up the country?

He could be gambling, which a lot of people I know on the dole do to bring in extra income.

Either way, dont waste your time wondering what/how he is doing it, just focus on your own life and you will be happier (Never mind coming across as a so and so.)

kiffer

Angela Scarce Trailer wrote: »

Something is certainly wrong with our welfare system.

A guy I know who has been on the dole for a while now (a few years) has posted up online that he's getting himself a brand new top of the range smartphone (one I and most people I know can't afford).
I regularly see him out drinking with his mates and shmokin haeps of fags. I can't afford to do that often (and I don't smoke). I know he doesn't have any work, so his sole income is welfare.

Before people say it, I've no mortgage, big phone bills, car payments, etc. as I'm a student. Why is it that I have been taxed and charged into debt for going to college, while the guy who has voluntarily not tried to do anything with himself is living it up and buying himself expensive gadgets?

tl;dr: butthurt/thinly veiled 'I'm so poor' thread.

Here is an important question... are you saving any money? When I was unemployed I never had any money saved up... I was getting by week by week but now that I'm working again (the last year) I still feel like I have no money. ... infact I feel like I have less money as well as less free time. How is this possible? I'm not well paid but I'm still getting more than I was getting on the dole.
The I realised I am spending a lot on travel, a lot on food, that I wasn't before... and I'm building up my savings in the background...
So even though I have more money I have less free cash at the end of the week to spend on fun.
And less time.

It just looks like he has more money because of the way he is spending it.
Also may have some source of cash in hand.

ldxo15wus6fpgm

Retrovertigo wrote: »

It's actually none of your business, OP. He could spend it however he likes whether you like it or not.

I consider it my business seeing as the tax I've paid over the years is partially paying for it. Fair enough people need to socialise but being able to buy an 800 euro phone is retarded.

Yakult wrote: »

How do you regularly see him out drinking and smoking if your in college up the country?

He could be gambling, which a lot of people I know on the dole do to bring in extra income.

Either way, dont waste your time wondering what/how he is doing it, just focus on your own life and you will be happier (Never mind coming across as a so and so.)

Because of where I work at weekends.
I suppose gambling could explain it...

Seachmall

Angela Scarce Trailer wrote: »

I consider it my business seeing as the tax I've paid over the years is partially paying for it.

Do you show up to surgeries to keep an eye on what your taxes are paying for?

breadmonster

Quit moaning OP your a scrounger aswell Your college is subsidised by tax payers. Your only allowed moan when you get a job.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Angela Scarce Trailer wrote: »

I consider it my business seeing as the tax I've paid over the years is partially paying for it. Fair enough people need to socialise but being able to buy an 800 euro phone is retarded.



Because of where I work at weekends.
I suppose gambling could explain it...

A tenner says it's not gambling.

ldxo15wus6fpgm

Seachmall wrote: »

Do you show up to surgeries to keep an eye on what your taxes are paying for?

Apples and oranges! I'd consider surgery a legitimate expense, but not buying a flash new phone.

Ghost Buster

A neighbour of mine found himslef out of work, it looked permanent but thankfully turned out to be temporary. When it was looking permanent he immediately signed up to every FAS, back to work, you name it training scheme and welfare yoke he could find. By the time he had declared his four kids etc (all genuine and above board) he was only a few euro per week worse off than when he was working and by the time expenses such as lunches, petrol etc were factored in he WAS ACTUALLY better off. Thats just stupid.
He has since gone back to work. though. feckin ejit or fair play to him...who can say.

Gee_G

Angela Scarce Trailer wrote: »

I consider it my business seeing as the tax I've paid over the years is partially paying for it. Fair enough people need to socialise but being able to buy an 800 euro phone is retarded.



Because of where I work at weekends.
I suppose gambling could explain it...

You can also get €800 phones very cheap on bill pay?and Adverts is full of phones that people got as upgrades and didn't want.

Chucken

What age are you OP? 20? 21?

Stop worrying about what other people do, it'll give you wrinkles.

3ndahalfof6

I just put on my ABBA cd, thank you, they were fantabulis.

Seachmall

Angela Scarce Trailer wrote: »

Apples and oranges! I'd consider surgery a legitimate expense, but not buying a flash new phone.

They may be throwing money away in those surgeries for all you know. Anesthetics don't come cheap.

theidiots

When I was on the dole getting over 210 or whatever it was back a few years ago I could afford a car, decent phone(Nokia 3310:D) and go on the lash the weekend and have plenty of money left over. I took out a loan of 5,000 and paid 30 a week for four years. I also got rent allowance. I got a job in the first year after getting the loan but still its really easy for people to have nice things on the dole.

3ndahalfof6

Seachmall wrote: »

They may be throwing money away in those surgeries for all you know. Anesthetics don't come cheap.

You just bastardized everything.

Pug160

I'm just playing Devil's advocate Here....

Some people find working life very hard for a multitude of reasons. Maybe they have some sort of phobia or have suffered previous bullying in the workplace due to their shy nature. Maybe he's just waiting for the right job to come along or he's maybe thinking about doing something that suits him such as becoming self employed? Maybe he is indeed a waster getting luxuries he has not earned, but in all likelihood I'm sure he's not ecstatic about being in his current situation. He's not exactly an unscrupulous businessman conning people out of millions.

3ndahalfof6

Pug160 wrote: »

I'm just playing Devil's advocate Here....

Some people find working life very hard for a multitude of reasons. Maybe they have some sort of phobia or have suffered previous bullying in the workplace due to their shy nature. Maybe he's just waiting for the right job to come along or he's maybe thinking about doing something that suits him such as becoming self employed? Maybe he is indeed a waster getting luxuries he has not earned, but in all likelihood I'm sure he's not ecstatic about being in his current situation. He's not exactly an unscrupulous businessman conning people out of millions.

Dont kill you but kill you, dose not compute.

ldxo15wus6fpgm

Pug160 wrote: »

I'm just playing Devil's advocate Here....

Some people find working life very hard for a multitude of reasons. Maybe they have some sort of phobia or have suffered previous bullying in the workplace due to their shy nature. Maybe he's just waiting for the right job to come along or he's maybe thinking about doing something that suits him such as becoming self employed? Maybe he is indeed a waster getting luxuries he has not earned, but in all likelihood I'm sure he's not ecstatic about being in his current situation. He's not exactly an unscrupulous businessman conning people out of millions.

He's 20. And believe me he's not shy! He seems delighted with his current situation in my opinion but I could well be wrong. Just seems a bit unfair is all

theidiots

Angela Scarce Trailer wrote: »

He's 20. And believe me he's not shy! He seems delighted with his current situation in my opinion but I could well be wrong. Just seems a bit unfair is all

He live with the parents? I have a lot of friends on the dole and they all drive and can take a foreign holiday every year. When I was on it years ago I was actually loaded. Had nice car, place to live and plenty of money left over for beer

Seachmall

Angela Scarce Trailer wrote: »

Just seems a bit unfair is all

You can always join him on the dole, clearly he's got a good thing going for him.


If you decide not to then don't complain. Working is the choice we made. More fool us.

For Forks Sake

Maybe he found a safe????

Flesh Gorden

credit union loan? - very easy to get regardless of work status once you keep up savings and repayments


Plus anyone living at home could comfortably feed themselves for €25/w if they go to lidl or aldi, especially if everything else is paid for them by their parents.

TheBeach

Don't worry in a few years time he'll be doing what your doing now - going to college. Only he's doing the smart way, waiting to become a mature student so he can get the Back to Education Allowance!

SCOOP 64

I wouldn't worry about him, in life you will always meet people who seem to have more then you ,happier then you are,
just worry about your own life.
people with jobs are the lucky ones.

grizzly

Ghost Buster wrote: »

A neighbour of mine found himslef out of work, it looked permanent but thankfully turned out to be temporary. When it was looking permanent he immediately signed up to every FAS, back to work, you name it training scheme and welfare yoke he could find. By the time he had declared his four kids etc (all genuine and above board) he was only a few euro per week worse off than when he was working and by the time expenses such as lunches, petrol etc were factored in he WAS ACTUALLY better off. Thats just stupid.
He has since gone back to work. though. feckin ejit or fair play to him...who can say.

It's the smart thing to do. If you're working you retain skills and can learn new ones. This can always lead to better jobs and more cash. If you're not doing anything you'll miss out on all those opportunities.

jobeenfitz

Employers have the upper hand now cos of downturn, employees getn more **** for less money. I work for low pay. As for those on the dole with their fancy pants phones, More Fekn power to yee. As for people looking down on doler's, cop yourself on. If this Government hadn't to pay billions out on dole they would just give themselves more money. Its all a big circle, give money to dole, old age pensions etc. then take it all back in VAT charges. Take the advice already given on this thread and chill out and worry about yourself. Lighten up or you will worry yourself into depression unnessesarily.

I Was VB

The working person is a fuking fool in this country.

Pug160

theidiots wrote: »

He live with the parents? I have a lot of friends on the dole and they all drive and can take a foreign holiday every year. When I was on it years ago I was actually loaded. Had nice car, place to live and plenty of money left over for beer

Ah, see I have far less sympathy for people on the dole who can drive. If you can drive you can do something, in my opinion.

theidiots

Do what some of my friends are did, they did CCNA and Java certified courses through FAS for 120 euro are something each:eek: and got to keep the dole which are the internationally recoginsed and 10 times better than any computing degree. They also did there oracle certified database exams while on the dole and got subsidied for them. One of them is on 45,000 a year at 21. Its pretty crazy and then others on a bit less. The three of them said feck college, too expensive when theres much better certs out there for half nothing.

Those courses are normally like 2 grand

puppieperson

I have a job and would prefer to be on the dole i am permanently exhausted and broke. I suffer an illiterate supervisor who cant spell. i work hard get no praise or credit and am expected to work even harder the next week was a family company now owned by an american company no one is happy there everyone hates it. good luck to anyone who is happy on the dole cos the slaves in the workplace are miserable....

puppieperson

just noted a spelling mistake in my post squirm......

kiffer

theidiots wrote: »

Do what some of my friends are did, they did CCNA and Java certified courses through FAS for 120 euro are something each:eek: and got to keep the dole which are the internationally recoginsed and 10 times better than any computing degree. They also did there oracle certified database exams while on the dole and got subsidied for them. One of them is on 45,000 a year at 21. Its pretty crazy and then others on a bit less. The three of them said feck college, too expensive when theres much better certs out there for half nothing.

Those courses are normally like 2 grand

That's great news! I like to hear about people training up, getting off the dole and getting a nice job...

theidiots

kiffer wrote: »

That's great news! I like to hear about people training up, getting off the dole and getting a nice job...

yep the IT trade is booming and so many courses to do but I don't think people realize there out there. the amount of jobs in oracle is unreal and its really not that difficult

Cereal Number

OP, same used to piss me off too, especially when i was dragging my sorry wrinkly brown balls through poverty in college. I saw a friend of mine drink his balls through his dole money and was doing nixers on the side, the cúnt.


However, you are striving toward a better life, that is, with a college education.

Try and see your man in 20 years, will he have raised a family, own a house, travelled the world etc etc

Rough time getting a visa abroad with no education or skills.

And if he did go abroad and someone asks him what he does do you think hes proud of it?

Move on OP, 188e a week may be great now, but its tupence to any grown self respecting adult.

Henlars67

If people who are working think that they would be better off on the dole then I'm sure there are loads of people on the dole who would be willing to swap places with you.

OP, as regards that man getting a phone. I got a phone worth over €400 a couple of years ago.

At the time I was on the dole, and was just about surviving.

I was spending about a tenner a week on phone credit.

By going onto a bill pay contract which cost me €35 a month I got the phone for free and reduced my monthly phone spend.

Valetta

Angela Scarce Trailer wrote: »

Something is certainly wrong with our welfare system.

A guy I know who has been on the dole for a while now (a few years) has posted up online that he's getting himself a brand new top of the range smartphone (one I and most people I know can't afford).
I regularly see him out drinking with his mates and shmokin haeps of fags. I can't afford to do that often (and I don't smoke). I know he doesn't have any work, so his sole income is welfare.

Before people say it, I've no mortgage, big phone bills, car payments, etc. as I'm a student. Why is it that I have been taxed and charged into debt for going to college, while the guy who has voluntarily not tried to do anything with himself is living it up and buying himself expensive gadgets?

tl;dr: butthurt/thinly veiled 'I'm so poor' thread.

Couple of points.
Shmokin. Heaps. What's that all about? If you didn't spend so much time minding other people's business, maybe you could learn how to spell.

Also, €800 for a smart phone? Do you Exaggerate much?

Cereal Number

Unpopular opinion time: If you are a taxpayer, and a kid of 20 is getting the dole having contributed very little to society, then you can be goddamn sure its your business what he does with his dole