Siberian Huskies banned from Shankill dog park?

boopadoopadoop

I was out for a walk with my 7 month old Siberian Husky and met a woman who owned a Malamute-cross. We let our dogs run about and play whilst we had a conversation.

During the conversation I mentioned that I had planned on checking out the dog park in Shankill, Co. Dublin, as despite years of owning dogs, I have never been to one! She told me that Siberian Huskies are banned from Shankill dog park due to some instances involving aggression and fights.

Can anyone confirm this? If it is true then that is just ludicrous! Any dog can be aggressive! Any dog can have behaviour issues but its usually their owner's fault, not the breed itself! The way a dog behaves is a reflection of their owner and how they have been raised - socialization skills, obedience, training and manners. My husky is in no way aggressive. He has come across a lot of dogs of all different breeds who have been nothing but aggressive toward him, but he has never fought back or provoked it.

To ban an entire breed from a dog park is idiotic. What are they going to do if some German Shepherds act up or if a Chihuahua has some behaviour issues? - ban those breeds too? :mad:

I am sorry for the rant!

kylith

Restricted breeds are, AFAIK, already banned from dog parks. Since they can't be allowed off-lead there's no point in bringing them to one anyway.

Unfortunately I've recently started to fear that Sibes and Mals are the next dogs to be put on the RB list. I've been seeing more and more of them being walked by (read: dragging around) the type of people I wouldn't trust to own a hamster.

ISDW

I think you'll find that GSDs would be banned, as they are on the Restricted Breed list, most dog parks won't allow any RB dogs into dog parks - stupid rule.

Just one thing though, if you're letting your sibe off lead to play, I'd really advise you to stop, whilst a pup, your dog may well come back, but in a couple of months, the prey drive will probably kick in, and you could lose your dog.

boopadoopadoop

That is ridiculous!

I can have my Husky off lead and can call him back to me if needs be. The idea that the breed cannot be trusted off-lead is ignorant. I have been around Huskies and Malamutes for years, have trained a few on and off lead including my own right now. They are stubborn but it just takes more time, patience and persistence than some other dog breeds.

ISDW

boopadoopadoop wrote: »

That is ridiculous!

I can have my Husky off lead and can call him back to me if needs be. The idea that the breed cannot be trusted off-lead is ignorant. I have been around Huskies and Malamutes for years, have trained a few on and off lead including my own right now. They are stubborn but it just takes more time, patience and persistence than some other dog breeds.

Thank you so much for your kind words. Apologies, you are obviously an expert, and know more than every single breed club and breed welfare organisation in the world.

I genuinely hope that your dog doesn't pay the price.

boopadoopadoop

Did I say that? - no.

What I am saying though is that I know my dog. I have experience with the breed. The fact that I can and have trained them on and off lead is not the subject here. If you want to play 'keyboard warriors' then please go on a different thread.

I am trying to find more information about this supposed ban on Siberian Huskies in Shankill dog park.

ISDW

Perhaps you should contact the council that runs the park, who can give you the correct information? Seems to me that would be the quickest and most efficient way to find out if something is true or not.

Again, my apologies, I was merely trying to offer some advice, as I have a little bit of experience of huskies as well. in fact my dogs will turn left and right on a single word, go past turns and obstacles by vocal commands, sit and lie down on hand signals, but I am not arrogant enough to ignore breed traits, so respect the breed I love so much and keep them safe. My dogs are also trained to recall of course, it would be stupid not to, as accidents do happen. As for being a keyboard warrior? I walk the walk, having taken in literally hundreds of huskies that have ended up in pounds around the country, mostly down to their breed traits and owners being unable to keep them safe. I have not insulted you at all in this thread, merely offered some advice, as well as answering your initial post. it is a shame you have not extended me the same courtesy.

Whispered

boopadoopadoop wrote: »

That is ridiculous!

I can have my Husky off lead and can call him back to me if needs be. The idea that the breed cannot be trusted off-lead is ignorant. I have been around Huskies and Malamutes for years, have trained a few on and off lead including my own right now. They are stubborn but it just takes more time, patience and persistence than some other dog breeds.

God ISDW could you not have done your research before posting on something you are ignorant about :pac:

OP, I too think that sibes might be next on the RB list unfortunately. Back yard breeders selling to all and sundry and people not understanding the needs of the dogs before getting them are leading to more and more incidents involving them. Hopefully it will get better.

RB dogs are not allowed off lead in public areas, so wouldn't be in a dog park anyway.

magicherbs

how is any of this actually implemented.

if you have your Husky /malamute there and they say sorry on huskies allowed why don't you say it's not a husky it's a samoyed / gsd mix or something. tell them to prove it.

boopadoopadoop

ISDW wrote: »

Perhaps you should contact the council that runs the park, who can give you the correct information? Seems to me that would be the quickest and most efficient way to find out if something is true or not.

Again, my apologies, I was merely trying to offer some advice, as I have a little bit of experience of huskies as well. in fact my dogs will turn left and right on a single word, go past turns and obstacles by vocal commands, sit and lie down on hand signals, but I am not arrogant enough to ignore breed traits, so respect the breed I love so much and keep them safe. My dogs are also trained to recall of course, it would be stupid not to, as accidents do happen. As for being a keyboard warrior? I walk the walk, having taken in literally hundreds of huskies that have ended up in pounds around the country, mostly down to their breed traits and owners being unable to keep them safe. I have not insulted you at all in this thread, merely offered some advice, as well as answering your initial post. it is a shame you have not extended me the same courtesy.

I think you're quite rude to be honest. You know nothing about me nor my experience with the breed. You are not the only one who has taken in the breed. I have worked in rescue centers, have been involved in rehoming these dogs in both Ireland and the UK. I have personally owned Sibes and Malamutes all my life and each dog has been trained to a standard where they are suitable off-lead. I am not "arrogant" with the breed traits. I understand the traits and work around them to achieve my goals in training. Your sarcastic comments have been offensive to say the least. I am grateful for your reply regarding the dog park scenario but would appreciate it if you do not further this debate.

boopadoopadoop

boopadoopadoop wrote: »

That is ridiculous!

I can have my Husky off lead and can call him back to me if needs be. The idea that the breed cannot be trusted off-lead is ignorant.

I wouldnt say ignorant. Huskies are well known for running. I know somebody who said they have a Husky and a cat and its hogwash that they cant be together, after 5 years of being together the Husky killed the cat.

As for dog parks and Huskys i would hate to see Huskys get a bad name due to irresponsible dog wardens who obviously cant do their job properly.

boopadoopadoop

"i would hate to see Huskys get a bad name due to irresponsible dog wardens who obviously cant do their job properly"

I completely agree with this.

Synyster Shadow

I had an Alaskan malamute and he was afraid of his own shadow he was off lead just about everywhere like forest and farms and I never had any problem with him I think it should be assessment on that particular dog not its breed. Iv always had a RB and they never live up to what they should be.

ISDW

Synyster Shadow wrote: »

I had an Alaskan malamute and he was afraid of his own shadow he was off lead just about everywhere like forest and farms and I never had any problem with him I think it should be assessment on that particular dog not its breed. Iv always had a RB and they never live up to what they should be.

I never mentioned malamutes

fatmammycat

There has been a lean towards banning husky and malamutes from dog parks in recent years and even putting them on the restricted list, especially since the media hoopla of last year. A friend of mine gets terrible abuse when walking her perfectly friendly sibe in the local dog walkers 'zone' ( it's not a dog park per se). I genuinely wouldn't be at all shocked it they were next on the breed specific list. It's utter nonsense of course, but the same nonsense owners of RB dogs have been putting up with for some time. Wait 'til you see, boxers, huskies and great danes or some other larger than a twenty-kilo dog dog will be next.

**Vai**

What does ISDW stand for again? Irish Society of Dog Walkers?

I didnt realise RBs were a dog park no-no actually. Then again we dont have any in the whole county afaik. Its not awfully fair but I suppose thems the rules.

Huskies will be put on the RB list I imagine but every other breed their size is on it so no bad thing really.

Rasmus

When restricted-breed dogs are banned from parks, does that mean off the lead, or is it a blanket ban?

Whispered

**Vai** wrote: »

Huskies will be put on the RB list I imagine but every other breed their size is on it so no bad thing really.

I think every dog put on it is a shame. It's bringing us closer and closer to a society where all dogs must be kept on leads & muzzled at all times.

fatmammycat

Rasmus wrote: »

When restricted-breed dogs are banned from parks, does that mean off the lead, or is it a blanket ban?

It's a total ban, most park ususally have the list up on the gate. I could socialise my pup in them when he was little. Lucky for me I joined up with a dog walking group that were more than happy to have a gobby limb flailing GSD in tow.

**Vai**

Whispered wrote: »

I think every dog put on it is a shame. It's bringing us closer and closer to a society where all dogs must be kept on leads & muzzled at all times.

I wouldnt go that far honestly but Im with you in that I'd like to see a return to how it used to be for all dogs in this country. When they wandered around estates without issue. Unfortunately that wont happen so it shouldnt be one rule for huskies and another for the dogs on the list. We always talk about how all dogs can be dangerous and I think thats true.

Nothing against huskies or mals etc by the way. Have as much love for them as any other dog.

andreac

**Vai** wrote: »

I wouldnt go that far honestly but Im with you in that I'd like to see a return to how it used to be for all dogs in this country. When they wandered around estates without issue. Unfortunately that wont happen so it shouldnt be one rule for huskies and another for the dogs on the list. We always talk about how all dogs can be dangerous and I think thats true.

Nothing against huskies or mals etc by the way. Have as much love for them as any other dog.

Sorry but I disagree. Dogs should not be allowed to wander around anywhere. That is def not the way it should go back to at all.

boopadoopadoop

Synyster Shadow wrote: »

I had an Alaskan malamute and he was afraid of his own shadow he was off lead just about everywhere like forest and farms and I never had any problem with him I think it should be assessment on that particular dog not its breed. Iv always had a RB and they never live up to what they should be.

Yes I completely agree! To ban an entire breed is silly. I can understand and agree with individual dogs (and their owners) being banned but not a breed! Seems unfair.

**Vai**

andreac wrote: »

Sorry but I disagree. Dogs should not be allowed to wander around anywhere. That is def not the way it should go back to at all.

Whether we agree or not, thats how it was. Im not foolish enough to think it would work these days, it was meant as an 'in a perfect world' comment.

andreac

**Vai** wrote: »

Whether we agree or not, thats how it was. Im not foolish enough to think it would work these days, it was meant as an 'in a perfect world' comment.

You could say a lot of things were like that back in the day, most of them were wrong , so not sure why someone would want it to go back like that?

juniord

does anyone know for sure if an individual public park manager /management can decide an entire breed which is not RB can be banned from a public park

**Vai**

andreac wrote: »

You could say a lot of things were like that back in the day, most of them were wrong , so not sure why someone would want it to go back like that?

Most what was wrong? I dont get where you're going with this. Ive explained what I meant and there was nothing else to it.

magicherbs

TBH it's difficult to take some of you seriously at times. You seem to be incomplete denial that the dogs you own are actually dangerous. All dogs are dangerous. They're dangerous to children and the infirm and they're a danger on the roads as cars swerve to avoid hitting them. If you don't accept this simple truth you're completely in denial and will not be taken seriously by anyone else.

Secondly, people have priority over dogs. Full stop. Period. No other way. Your dog isn't entitled to anything, except not to be treated with cruelty. Your dog isn't entitled to bark at every person that walks up and down the street. Your dog isn't entitled to use parks. You dog isn't entitled to freedom of speech or freedom of passage. They are things for people.

Dogs are property. Accept this and move on. Your property does not have priority over human being.

With regard to restricted breeds, I agree it isn't a fully scientific, rationale or sensible declaration. As we all anecdotally know, the local jack russell terrier is far more of a nuisance than the local pit bull.

However, we do not have adequate selection over breeding and ownership. And any scumbag, idiot, naive, stupid, reckless, neglectful person can purchase a strong/big dog. At the end of the day Jack Russells can give you a nasty bite that will require hospital treatment but a Rhodesian Ridge back, could, if it had the inclination, kill a child. I personally don't trust these types of people to own and be in possession on the street - knives, screw drivers, bats, or big dogs or cats (if, heaven forbid, we begin to get a culture of scumbags buying pumas).

If your dog intimidates people its YOUR fault not theirs.

fatmammycat

magicherbs wrote: »

TBH it's difficult to take some of you seriously at times. You seem to be incomplete denial that the dogs you own are actually dangerous. All dogs are dangerous. They're dangerous to children and the infirm and they're a danger on the roads as cars swerve to avoid hitting them. If you don't accept this simple truth you're completely in denial and will not be taken seriously by anyone else.

Secondly, people have priority over dogs. Full stop. Period. No other way. Your dog isn't entitled to anything, except not to be treated with cruelty. Your dog isn't entitled to bark at every person that walks up and down the street. Your dog isn't entitled to use parks. You dog isn't entitled to freedom of speech or freedom of passage. They are things for people.

Dogs are property. Accept this and move on. Your property does not have priority over human being.

With regard to restricted breeds, I agree it isn't a fully scientific, rationale or sensible declaration. As we all anecdotally know, the local jack russell terrier is far more of a nuisance than the local pit bull.

However, we do not have adequate selection over breeding and ownership. And any scumbag, idiot, naive, stupid, reckless, neglectful person can purchase a strong/big dog. At the end of the day Jack Russells can give you a nasty bite that will require hospital treatment but a Rhodesian Ridge back, could, if it had the inclination, kill a child. I personally don't trust these types of people to own and be in possession on the street - knives, screw drivers, bats, or big dogs or cats (if, heaven forbid, we begin to get a culture of scumbags buying pumas).

If your dog intimidates people its YOUR fault not theirs.

That's a hell of a misplaced rant. I must remember this the next time some old biddy with a frothing at the mouth mini-terror approaches me and my potentially dangerous yet curiously placid RB dog.
I must remember that if her dog bites me or my dog it is my fault for intimidating them, and that because a 'non scientific rational sensible declaration' based on a knee jerk UK model, my own dog must do absolutely nothing to protect either himself or me.
I must remember that even though ALL dogs have the potential to be dangerous, it is only members of said knee-jerk list who are to demonised and treated as t-rexs on leashes. I am to disregard any and all other large breed dogs roaming about, barking and doing whatever it is that dogs do. Labradors have teeth made of candy-floss and St Bernards are only on stand-by to deliver brandy for shock. I must forget that the highest pay out for a dog bite in this country was for a collie, as that should never factor into anything. I must remember not to leave my own brain at home- with the non violent cats- lest I reconsider for a moment that if my dog was ACTUALLY aggressive I would have him muzzled and leashed anyway, regardless of his breed.

Seriously, while I agree with much of what you say ( people should be able to go about their daily business unencumbered), the idea that a certain breed in the right hands is likely to be more troublesome than any other breed is nonsense. If people are worried about the wrong kind of people getting the wrong kind of dog then it should be made more difficult for the wrong kind of people to access said animal, not that said animal should pay the price of breed legislation.

DBB

There seems to be some bad manners, unnecessary rants, and unnecessary bitchiness going on in this thread. For crying out loud, how many times do I have to remind people to read the forum charter before posting here, it is a requirement of your membership. On it, you will find that you must be civil and respectful towards other posters. But I'm seeing several cases here in utter defiance of that. I do not understand why people have to keep flying off the handle, and having a good old soapboxing session, at the merest provocation... I do not believe that this nonsense would prevail without the anonymity the forum allows. Be nice. It's not that hard.
If I see one more vaguely bitchy, or soapboxing post, I will not hesitate to issue warnings and close the thread.
Do not reply to, nor comment on this post on thread.
Thanks,
DBB

Magenta

**Vai** wrote: »

Huskies will be put on the RB list I imagine but every other breed their size is on it so no bad thing really.

St. Bernards, Great Danes, Labradors, Dalmatians are not on it and they are all the same size or larger than huskies. If you ask me, it's the look of some husky owners who are giving them a bad rep (I've seen several huskies being walked down O'Connell St by unsavouries).

magicherbs wrote: »

TBH it's difficult to take some of you seriously at times. You seem to be incomplete denial that the dogs you own are actually dangerous. All dogs are dangerous. They're dangerous to children and the infirm and they're a danger on the roads as cars swerve to avoid hitting them. If you don't accept this simple truth you're completely in denial and will not be taken seriously by anyone else.

I think you are confusing "potential to be dangerous, if it was not trained and raised correctly" with "dangerous". I could swerve to avoid a rabbit, are they all dangerous too?

magicherbs wrote: »

Secondly, people have priority over dogs. Full stop. Period. No other way. Your dog isn't entitled to anything, except not to be treated with cruelty. Your dog isn't entitled to bark at every person that walks up and down the street. Your dog isn't entitled to use parks. You dog isn't entitled to freedom of speech or freedom of passage. They are things for people.

Can you point out where anyone said dogs have priority over humans, or that their dog barks at every person that walks up and down the street?
And who said they have freedom of speech?

magicherbs wrote: »

If your dog intimidates people its YOUR fault not theirs.

What about people who are afraid of dogs due to an irrational phobia? There's people who are afraid of flying, is that an airline's fault?

Vojera

I don't agree with the whole RB business, but to be honest I can see why huskies might get added to the list, and it has nothing to do with the dogs themselves.

I live in a reasonably rough area of Dublin and I've noticed over the last few years that the local scumbags have moved away from the stereotypical snarling staffie or pitbull towards huskies and husky crosses.

I honestly believe it's people like this who, by deliberately making their dogs aggressive, contribute to the perception that a whole breed is bad. And when it comes to law-making, unfortunately you have to legislate for the lowest common denominator.

DamagedTrax

magicherbs wrote: »

TBH it's difficult to take some of you seriously at times. You seem to be incomplete denial that the dogs you own are actually dangerous. All dogs are dangerous. They're dangerous to children and the infirm and they're a danger on the roads as cars swerve to avoid hitting them. If you don't accept this simple truth you're completely in denial and will not be taken seriously by anyone else.

Secondly, people have priority over dogs. Full stop. Period. No other way. Your dog isn't entitled to anything, except not to be treated with cruelty. Your dog isn't entitled to bark at every person that walks up and down the street. Your dog isn't entitled to use parks. You dog isn't entitled to freedom of speech or freedom of passage. They are things for people.

Dogs are property. Accept this and move on. Your property does not have priority over human being.

With regard to restricted breeds, I agree it isn't a fully scientific, rationale or sensible declaration. As we all anecdotally know, the local jack russell terrier is far more of a nuisance than the local pit bull.

However, we do not have adequate selection over breeding and ownership. And any scumbag, idiot, naive, stupid, reckless, neglectful person can purchase a strong/big dog. At the end of the day Jack Russells can give you a nasty bite that will require hospital treatment but a Rhodesian Ridge back, could, if it had the inclination, kill a child. I personally don't trust these types of people to own and be in possession on the street - knives, screw drivers, bats, or big dogs or cats (if, heaven forbid, we begin to get a culture of scumbags buying pumas).

If your dog intimidates people its YOUR fault not theirs.

i have to say i agree 100% with this. it might be ranty but its the truth.

being a good owner (especially of an RB breed or husky type dogs) means being aware of what they are capable of and taking steps to make sure it never happens.

too many people think that their staffy or 'pibble' (HATE that word) is just a cute little kissing machine. thats exactly how incidents happen.

Synyster Shadow

Iv socialised my Doberman with every animal we come across and he's been socialised with people and kids of all ages and I'd love someone to come prove he's a danger to anyone. He's well mannered and I'd hold my hands up if proven to be wrong but I trust him completely. I know that Dobermans are head strong and need socialising at an early age as do many dogs and with research when buying any dog big or small you'll be capable of having a well balanced dog.

Kat1170

Magenta wrote: »

I could swerve to avoid a rabbit, are they all dangerous too?

Don't know about ALL of them, but some are cold blooded killers :D

tk123

juniord wrote: »

does anyone know for sure if an individual public park manager /management can decide an entire breed which is not RB can be banned from a public park

I think it's down to the council the park is in - for example we fall under DCC and there's no breed restrictions (apart from busy bodies but that's a different story ) in the park beside us.. but another park we go to up the road in Santry is Fingal and they have pictures of the RB dogs up around the place saying they need to be on lead...We often meet a man with a beautiful EBT and he always has her on lead as he's had the wardens drive up and ask him to put her on..Same with a lovely Dobie who's always on lead and dying to play with my guy and his friend.
Funnily enough there was a husky pup off lead up there a few weeks back - guy trying to call her back for ages. I was about to clip my dogs lead on and walk her back to him out of frustration at his blasé attitude to his pup walking around a car park (with cars driving in and out) before we drove off because I was worried about running her over - but she eventually wandered past him.. I wished the pup good luck when she was at the back of our car and told her I hoped she ended up in a good home when she gets lost!

Anyhoos OP with all due respect - your pup is only 7 months old and hasn't got a mind of his own yet so be careful thinking he has perfect recall.

boopadoopadoop

I do not agree with the whole idea of RB. I firmly believe that a dog's behaviour is a reflection of it's upbringing and of it's owner. I can understand and appreciate some points made in this thread regarding the ...type of people who now have huskies..
But with all due respect, I did not post this thread to find out about opinions around the RB list, which dogs may be next on it etc

I simply wanted to know if what I heard around Shankill dog park was true or not? I appreciate that I can always call the council responsible for the dog park and find out there but figured asking here might be worth my while.

Aside from that though - Is Shankill dog park good? Is it secure/clean etc ? and can anyone suggest another dog park around the Wicklow/Dublin region which in their opinion is good? (in the event that the rumours around Shankill dog park are true, so as that I can bring my husky to one!)

boopadoopadoop

tk123 wrote: »

Anyhoos OP with all due respect - your pup is only 7 months old and hasn't got a mind of his own yet so be careful thinking he has perfect recall.

I did not say my pup has a perfect recall nor do I think it. He is in training and is doing very well. I am always aware of the breed's notorious behaviour and traits. I appreciate your concern but I can assure you, he is in good hands.

are you serious

juniord wrote: »

does anyone know for sure if an individual public park manager /management can decide an entire breed which is not RB can be banned from a public park

juniord, I don't think from reading the replies after this if anyone has responded directly to you. So.

Anyway.. As far as I know each park would be governed by the local County Council for that area. But at the same time no park that I am aware of in Dublin (or the country) has banned any of the breeds on the RB list from being inside their park.

There is however a slight exception to this. When there are specific designated dogs parks within a public park, as in an off leash area, then, every one of the dog parks that I am aware of has a ban on all of the breeds on the RB list from entering this off leash dog park.

The reason behind this is simple, because it is against the law for the local council to allow an off leash area for a dog on the RB list. If they did not ban all dogs on the RB list from these parks then they would be putting the owners of the dog on the RB list at risk of a nice little fine.

wolfpawnat

I had a thread on this forum a while back voicing my concerns that the Sib Husky and the Dogue de Bordeaux would be next on the RB list. Sadly it appears my suspicions may be soon correct. I too am in the South Dublin area and have witnessed first hand in Cabinteely park complete and utter breed discrimination. I cared for a pup for a neighbour when they went away for work that is on the RB list and the dirty looks you would get even for having the dog on the lead and muzzled walking within the park itself and not even in the dog park section was just so irritating.

Sadly, though as great as the vast majority of dog owners are, there are more than a few undesirables that should not have a goldfish, let alone a dog that have these breeds too. Every day I pass a house with 2 Sibs that I have never seen walked and the owner seems to be anything but a caring individual. I dare say if those dogs get walked, it is seldom and they are the nuisances that has the breed its new and for the most part undeserved name (we have to face it, there is always one or two badly behaved dogs in EVERY breed, it happens)

Ring Dub Laoighaire Rathdown Council, only they will know for a fact, if they say you're good to go, then tell any a-hole who makes a comment to go shove it!

Hooked

A little off topic, but can I ask... Who enforces the RB act? I dodge a fair amount of dog poo daily, in our estate there are 3 GSD's, one of whom uses the kids green as his toilet and is uncultivated, a 10 stone Akita (huge dog) wonders freely, my own father has 4 English bull terriers and I've NEVER seen any of the above muzzled? Nor has my dad been approached...

It'll be a cold cold day in hell before I put a muzzle on my Sibe. They really have the licensing, breeding, ownership and removal of dog waste, etc... Completely backwards. When are they gonna tackle the bigger, broader issues of the owners... and leave the poor well trained/behaved/exercised dogs alone...

It's fūcking maddening at times!!!

JustAThought

Hooked wrote: »

A little off topic, but can I ask... Who enforces the RB act? I dodge a fair amount of dog poo daily, in our estate there are 3 GSD's, one of whom uses the kids green as his toilet and is uncultivated, a 10 stone Akita (huge dog) wonders freely, my own father has 4 English bull terriers and I've NEVER seen any of the above muzzled? Nor has my dad been approached...

It'll be a cold cold day in hell before I put a muzzle on my Sibe. They really have the licensing, breeding, ownership and removal of dog waste, etc... Completely backwards. When are they gonna tackle the bigger, broader issues of the owners... and leave the poor well trained/behaved/exercised dogs alone...

It's fūcking maddening at times!!!

Well... You know what to do : call the council & tell them that & ask them to send the dog warden out. Re the poo call the litter warden & give the owners address & ask them to fine them. That should focus their attentions.

Bid08

I wouldnt have considered siberian huskies / mal / Akita an unprovoked vicious dog, I agree its down to the owners. Unfortuanetly these dogs have become popular in recent years and they seem to pop up every where. Its down to responsible dog owners.

Can I ask opionion on this? If im walking on the beach I always have my dogs off the lead, if I see some someone also coming with their dogs also off the lead I dont necessarily panic making sure my dogs stay with me, I will let them over to smell and just say hello like they do? I have complete trust that they would not attack any other dog hence why I have them off the lead and I assume if some one else also has them off the lead they have the same trust in their dogs? Does that annoy people when other dogs come over to say hello??

andreac

Yes unfortunately it does. Not all dogs like strange dogs coming up to them and I think it's quite unfair of you to allow your dogs to do that. I know I don't like strange dogs coming up to mine as my female is very sharp with strange dogs so if an offload dog comes up then i don't like it.
Maybe try and respect other dog owners esp when their dogs are on lead and yours are off lead and don't let them go up to them.
You might see it as being friendly but not all dogs like that.

Hooked

Bid08 wrote: »

Can I ask opionion on this? If im walking on the beach I always have my dogs off the lead, if I see some someone also coming with their dogs also off the lead I dont necessarily panic making sure my dogs stay with me, I will let them over to smell and just say hello like they do? I have complete trust that they would not attack any other dog hence why I have them off the lead and I assume if some one else also has them off the lead they have the same trust in their dogs? Does that annoy people when other dogs come over to say hello??

Personally speaking, I walk my husky on lead and nearly every other dog I meet at the beach or out in UL is off lead. It annoys me... BUT only when the off lead dog is obviously not trained on recall - or is known to misbehave.

I rarely saw any attempt by owners to call their dogs off when things escalated - and it really got to me as your attitude (Bid08) seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

My solution... I walk with a very long hiking stick - and if we are approached by a dog off lead that has previously or is obviously going to act up, I drop the stick down from under my armpit - and the reaction of the owner is immediate. Dog is recalled, physically held or similar.

It wouldn't be so frustrating if other owners had their dogs trained to behave like yours. But as is the trend in this thread... It's the owners that need addressing - and NOT the dog / breed.

kylith

Bid08 wrote: »

Can I ask opionion on this? If im walking on the beach I always have my dogs off the lead, if I see some someone also coming with their dogs also off the lead I dont necessarily panic making sure my dogs stay with me, I will let them over to smell and just say hello like they do? I have complete trust that they would not attack any other dog hence why I have them off the lead and I assume if some one else also has them off the lead they have the same trust in their dogs? Does that annoy people when other dogs come over to say hello??

Yes, it can be annoying. I suppose it's understandable to assume that if a dog is off lead it's friendly, but that's not always the case. I let Rani off so she can stretch her legs and potter about a bit, while she's polite with other dogs she is elderly and has no patience for strange dogs crowding her; saying hello is fine, but following her around or trying to get her to play is very stressful for her.

I don't let Tegan off lead because she's not good with other dogs. She's gotten better, but it can really set us back when off-lead dogs come over. Usually there's someone off in the distance shouting 'It's ok, he only wants to say hi!' and then looking shocked as I try to control T and explain that it's not about how friendly their dog is.

It's not about how good your dogs are with others, it's about what the others are like. You should always check that it's ok with the owners before you allow your dogs to interact with theirs. A quick "Is it ok if my dog says hi?" is all it takes.

Hooked

JustAThought wrote: »

Well... You know what to do : call the council & tell them that & ask them to send the dog warden out. Re the poo call the litter warden & give the owners address & ask them to fine them. That should focus their attentions.

But that's my point. No one ever does. The RB list is not enforced and no one is ever fined for dog fouling. My dad has never been approached and he's walking dogs nearly 50 years. The law is a joke. And so is its enforcement. It's the owners that should be subjected to such lists - not the breed.

borderlinemeath

I hate saying it but in the past while, most of the trouble I've had when out walking is with huskies with no recall let off lead.

This week - I'm walking with 4 dogs, my two setters and another two, and one of them is only just out of a rescue less than a week, very nervous and timid, particularly of men but our beach is huge so I can easily walk him without having to go near anybody. Until, a husky bolts over and gets right in the face of my female setter. She's friendly enough but when she's out on the beach she wants to swim & chase birds, not have to entertain a big dog that's just raced over and is causing a bit of mayhem. Worse still is the dogs owner, constantly roaring and shouting for the dog to come back to him, which is unsettling the nervy dog I have on the lead. The dog eventually gets distracted by somebody elses dog and runs off, but comes back 3 or 4 times to 'play'. The dog had little or no recall, the owner was shouting angrily which certainly won't help get his dog to come back and I had to cut my walk short to avoid the same all the way back.

About two weeks ago another husky appeared out of nowhere while we were walking through the dunes, again this one literally jumps into the middle of my gang and unsettles everybody. Owner arrives about 5 minutes later, apologising that he only wants to play:rolleyes:

And finally, there's a husky that I do stop and talk to his owner sometimes, a lovely big dog, who has some recall but when he sees another dog he's gone, with the owner sprinting after him. His problem is when I stop and talk, he marks me:o. He's marked my friend as well so it's not just me:P

Moral of the story, Huskies, in general have poor recall. Some of the owners can come across as less than desirable (angry man with dog number 1) and also some seem to have no idea how to deal with their dogs lack of recall. In a slightly ironic observation to the OP, they are the ideal dog for a dog park, at least they're contained.

Hooked

borderlinemeath wrote: »

I hate saying it but in the past while, most of the trouble I've had when out walking is with huskies with no recall let off lead. ...

Moral of the story, Huskies, in general have poor recall. Some of the owners can come across as less than desirable (angry man with dog number 1) and also some seem to have no idea how to deal with their dogs lack of recall. In a slightly ironic observation to the OP, they are the ideal dog for a dog park, at least they're contained.

As a husky owner, I agree. As ISDW will say, they should never be off lead. We differ on this - in that I allow mine off lead in particular areas and at certain times - and then you have members here who have a fully off lead husky. Some behaved, some - as above - far too independent to listen. I myself have a friend that opens his front door and lets the dog (a husky) out on its own... To return hours later. That baffles me.

The moral of the story... In my opinion -- you can't judge a whole breed under one umbrella. For off lead antics - as well as everything else. This is why the RB list is nonsense. A dog, like a child is a result of its upbringing, treatment and exercise regime. My back wall isn't the highest, and another husky could easily escape (see recent thread on the husky repeatedly arriving in the neighbours yard digging holes AND the owner not even bothered).

Mine doesn't (and if he did it would be the first and last time) because he has no desire to. He's too happy with all the walks, runs and attention. He's only alone for at most 4 hours. And his temperament is a result of our training AND his breeding!!! I've no doubt of the latter.

The sooner people's attitudes are re-focused on the owner and not the dog/breed, the sooner things will change.

Just my two cents.

DamagedTrax

Hooked wrote: »

The sooner people's attitudes are re-focused on the owner and not the dog/breed, the sooner things will change.

focus should be on a mixture of both with emphasis on the owner.

my reasoning is that there are breed traits in a lot of dogs that can suddenly surface as the dog matures. 'cold' dogs may never display them but dogs can surprise even the most prepared owner.

it happened to me recently - my staffie (who had always been level headed with other dogs) completely lost the plot with a local dog and i had a tough time getting her off the other dog... and she was on lead, if she'd been off lead it could have ended a lot worse :eek:

my point is, these traits might not be compatible to certain situations (such as off lead roaming) depending on the dog in question, so it is down to the owner to educate themselves and be fully prepared for any eventuality.

Whispered

DamagedTrax wrote: »

it happened to me recently - my staffie (who had always been level headed with other dogs) completely lost the plot with a local dog and i had a tough time getting her off the other dog... and she was on lead, if she'd been off lead it could have ended a lot worse :eek:

I'd say you got some fright! Were the two dogs ok?

Do you remember we discussed this in a thread a while back, talking about the shows/exhibitions you bring her to where a lot of the dogs display aggression. Do you think exposure to these dogs might have an effect on her?

Hooked

DamagedTrax wrote: »

focus should be on a mixture of both with emphasis on the owner.

my reasoning is that there are breed traits in a lot of dogs that can suddenly surface as the dog matures. 'cold' dogs may never display them but dogs can surprise even the most prepared owner.

it happened to me recently - my staffie (who had always been level headed with other dogs) completely lost the plot with a local dog and i had a tough time getting her off the other dog... and she was on lead, if she'd been off lead it could have ended a lot worse :eek:

my point is, these traits might not be compatible to certain situations (such as off lead roaming) depending on the dog in question, so it is down to the owner to educate themselves and be fully prepared for any eventuality.

Agreed DT. What I meant by refocusing - and to clarify - is that the emphasis or percentage is tipped more towards the owner than the breed/dog! While my husky is 'mostly' well behaved... He has had the odd vocal performance with other males and I'd NEVER leave him alone with a small child - should something 'surface' as you put it.

I met the most playful, well behaved staffie recently while on holidays. The owner had just had an earful by some idiot down at the beach, shouting that the dog was dangerous and should be muzzled.

Couldn't have been further from the truth. We let him and my husky off to play. 'twas just great to watch.