UFC 158: St-Pierre vs Diaz

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Main Card Weight Class
Welterweight Georges St-Pierre (c) vs. Nick Diaz
Welterweight Carlos Condit vs. Johny Hendricks
Welterweight Jake Ellenberger vs. Nate Marquardt
Middleweight Nick Ring vs. Chris Camozzi
Lightweight Mike Ricci vs. Colin Fletcher

Preliminary Card (FX) Welterweight Patrick Côté vs. Bobby Voelker
Featherweight Antonio Carvalho vs. Darren Elkins
Welterweight Dan Miller vs. Jordan Mein
Lightweight John Makdessi vs. Daron Cruickshank

Preliminary Card (Facebook)
Welterweight Rick Story vs. Quinn Mulhern
Bantamweight T.J. Dillashaw vs. Issei Tamura
Bantamweight Yves Jabouin vs. Johnny Eduardo
Bantamweight George Roop vs. Reuben Duran

Cause I seen a promo up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPK58ZxJybw

MrStuffins

GSP to take Diaz down and grind him into a pile of skin, bone fragments and cannabis resin.

Quickly followed by UFC getting rid of Nick Diaz for being a waste of $200k a pop!

paddythere

diaz to give gsp a tough fight, i reckon it will be similar to the condit fight..diaz will land some good shots i believe but gsp will just take him down whenever he is in trouble and that will be the difference. diaz is extremely tough to control on the ground though so gsp has his work cut out

Shazbot

I really hope this goes ahead. Diaz is close to losing his shot according to Dana (link)

If it does, GSP will dominate Diaz into a decision. Followed by Diaz complaining about GSP being scared and being underpaid.

I'm disappointed to here MacDonald got injured. I was looking forward to the rematch but Hendricks v Condit will be a good fight. I hope Hendricks can KO Condit and get is overdue title shot.

El Guapo!

GSP takes this all day long. Can't wait for him to beat Diaz.
Diaz is severely over-rated in my opinion. And he's a nightmare employee. I can't see the UFC cutting him though. He's too much of a draw.

Looking forward to Condit v Hendricks aswell. I'd say it'll go one of two ways....either a ko win for Hendricks or a decision for Condit. Should be a good scrap either way.

Also, if Rick Story loses here we can wave bye bye to him. He started off promising but now he's on a downward slide, losing 3 of his last 4. If he wants to keep his job he'll need to be extremely impressive. If he loses, or has a mediocre fight, he's a gonner.

MrStuffins

McDonald v Condit was a fight i'd been waiting to see for a long time. gutted it got cancelled.

I can see Condit beating Hendricks though and when he does, GSP will have nobody to fight except for one guy.

Leaving the door open for GSP v Maia, which is a REAL f*cking fight!

garhjw

I think GSP will make Diaz look an unworthy challenger, out of his depth in a title fight.

Was looking forward to macdonald condit, hopefully it happens later in the year.

Be like Nutella

I have my doubts that Condit v McDonald will happen now for some reason. I think McDonald thinks he's 'past' that fight and probably sees himself getting a shot at this point...once he's recovered form his strain... after the Diaz fight. There's probably some strategy in his mind which says:

Go directly to title shot, DO NOT pass Condit?

DrPhilG

Really hope Diaz gets destroyed. And not just ground out by decision, I hope GSP stands and mangles him.

Sick of his constant moaning and entitled attitude.

Mr. CooL ICE

MrStuffins wrote: »

Leaving the door open for GSP v Maia, which is a REAL f*cking fight!

Dunno. I see it being like a cross between Silva-Maia and GSP-Koscheck II. Although his performance against Fitch was great, he won't be able to pull that off against GSP

RainMaker

Be like Nutella wrote: »

I have my doubts that Condit v McDonald will happen now for some reason. I think McDonald thinks he's 'past' that fight and probably sees himself getting a shot at this point...once he's recovered form his strain... after the Diaz fight. There's probably some strategy in his mind which says:

Go directly to title shot, DO NOT pass Condit?

I thought it was McDonald who asked for the fight to avenge defeat @UFC 115?

Also I can't see McDonald fighting GSP in a title match either, unless they have a big falling out like Rashad and Bones!

Anyway, overall I would expect GSP V Diaz to have a similar outcome and style to Benson Henderson V Nate a couple of months back.

oc_pl

First UFC card in years I genuinely want to watch.

MrStuffins

RainMaker wrote: »

I thought it was McDonald who asked for the fight to avenge defeat @UFC 115?

This. McDonald has been looking for this match for a long time

Be like Nutella

I know he has. I just doubt we'll see it happening now he's injured. Rory would even be 50/50 against at least half of the top 10 MW in my book. Much more complete a striker than Big Rig and stronger. Much too strong for Diaz in every department. Would KILL Condit now IMO. And as great as Maia is on the deck don't make me laugh considering a Rory v Maia fight... heavy heavy fav in that fight. Him n GSP will part ways soon enough. He's the biggest WW ever IMO and he's all new school ... a complete MMA fighter. Pity he's a sap. I'd say he walks round at 210lb easy.

Raekwon

I kind of feel sorry for Jake Ellenberger as he was on the cusp of a title shot before Martin Kampmann introduced him to his knee. He got a decision win last time out but he's now been thrown in with some very heavy hittersin the shape of first, Johny Hendricks, then his replacement Nate Marquardt, who is an an absolute monster at welterweight.

miker1983

Really looking forward to this one.

Mellor

Be like Nutella wrote: »

[Rory's] the biggest WW ever IMO and he's all new school ... a complete MMA fighter. Pity he's a sap. I'd say he walks round at 210lb easy.

He walk around 190-200, although its prob closer and closer to 200 each fight. He has mentioned it a few times, guess he's known for being a massive WW.

One thing that bugs me about fighters quoting their walk around weight is that some times it refers to the weight when completely outside of a training camp, and other times its the training camp weight before starting a cut to make weight. The first is pretty much useless info (eg Ricky Hatton) but the second will be more or less the weight in the cage. I'd be interested to see cage weight stats ,although I understand why these aren't are of the take if the tape.

karl bracken

Anyone know any Australian betting sites for MMA?

Cheers

Mellor

karl bracken wrote: »

Anyone know any Australian betting sites for MMA?

Cheers

Are you looking to bet on Australian MMA, or to bet on UFC from Oz?

The first is tricky, I can't recall seeing prices anywhere.
But the second is simple, you can bet on most sites from oz. I regularly place gets with paddy power, bet365 and betfair.
Pinnacle tend to average very good odds.

Be like Nutella

Mellor wrote: »

I'd be interested to see cage weight stats ,although I understand why these aren't on the tale of the tape.

me too, would love to see this list... all about the details.
Some fighters seem too small to win, or too big to beat sometimes and some guys are walkin round the same weight as guys in higher divisions and although it is a heavily nuanced debate it annoys me that some guys big enough for the next weight group compete in the division they do in order to bring that advantage to their fight which can seem very close to unfair at times when you see the size difference when they touch gloves. It's an opinion thing of course. I always said Silva was a 205er fighting at 185 and I still stand by that but for the love of God I'm not trying to start that one again snore.

That Jones makes 205 lbs is simply astounding to me... when you see and compare his sheer size to the vast majority of his peers. I have no doubt he could train up to and walk into a HW fight 6 months from now at >235 lb and lean. He must cut literally twice as much water weight as his peers in the days leading up to weigh-in - it can't be fun... no matter how cool he plays it. His specialty IS his frame - You can't compete with it.... well mere mortals can't anyway. Here's hoping the Genius that is Silva can... which would suit me just fine seeing Silva in his natural weight-group beating Jones's freaky frame with sheer skill!

Mellor

Jones' height and reach create a bit of a size illusion tbh. He cuts from 225lbs and rehydrates back up for fight time. That's average enough for a LHW I'd assume, certainly not the biggest in the division.

Evn when he entered the UFC and was cutting from only 210-215, Peoria spoke of Jobes being this massive LHW.

alexprine71

UFC welterweight champion Georges "Rush" St-Pierre's next title defense will be at home in Montreal against rival Nick Diaz, a match that would take place at UFC 137, before Diaz missed the press conference and was stripped of the title chances.

Roar

alexprine71 wrote: »

UFC welterweight champion Georges "Rush" St-Pierre's next title defense will be at home in Montreal against rival Nick Diaz, a match that would take place at UFC 137, before Diaz missed the press conference and was stripped of the title chances.

ummmm... thanks?

RainMaker

alexprine71 wrote: »

UFC welterweight champion Georges "Rush" St-Pierre's next title defense will be at home in Montreal against rival Nick Diaz, a match that would take place at UFC 137, before Diaz missed the press conference and was stripped of the title chances.

Can't argue with that!

Scar Tissue

Make this lad a mod, he's too smart for us.

Quick!

Be like Nutella

Condit v Big Rig is a great match up... who's got it?

Big Rig keeps knockin'em down like whac-a-mole - can he do it again? Will it keep Condit at range with leg kicks and quick in-out combos or will Condit show no fear for the mini-H bomb (trademarked by somebody here)? Big Rig will have sheer strength and the big punch in his favor but Condit has a broader range of strikes and better cardio... probably.

Who wins it and how?

Can't call it - want Condit to win but I don't think he'd beat GSP if they met again... even though he put on the performance of his career in my book and if Big Rig KO's him then obviously he gets the next shot but Big Rig is not on GSPs level IMO but then again who is eh..

Mr. Manager

Would rather see Hendricks win this tbh. As good as the last GSP/CC fight was I'd rather see someone else get a shot. Plus Hendricks is a real likeable guy.

Can't see it happening though, unfortunately.

lertsnim

Conference call from today

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/3/7/4076386/ufc-158-conference-call-audio-gsp-diaz-mma-news

manga_10

nick getting help from vitor :Phttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0ycmUlZc-Y

RainMaker

lertsnim wrote: »

Conference call from today

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/3/7/4076386/ufc-158-conference-call-audio-gsp-diaz-mma-news

Listening to it now! Amazing! Hilarious stuff from Nick!

Edit: That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard!

karl bracken

Mellor wrote: »

Are you looking to bet on Australian MMA, or to bet on UFC from Oz?

The first is tricky, I can't recall seeing prices anywhere.
But the second is simple, you can bet on most sites from oz. I regularly place gets with paddy power, bet365 and betfair.
Pinnacle tend to average very good odds.

Mainly UFC, i used to use Paddy Power when i was at home but im in Oz now!
Will check Pinnacle out.
Cheers

DrPhilG

Only listened to the first 10 minutes so far, but it's just more of the spoilt brat Diaz.

Don't you know who I am...
I don't get the respect I deserve...
I get left out of the mainstream advertising...

WAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHH.

manga_10

still an unbelievable fighter with some of the best boxing in mma and that coming forward style can pose problems to anyone

Shazbot

manga_10 wrote: »

still an unbelievable fighter with some of the best boxing in mma and that coming forward style can pose problems to anyone

His boxing is highly over-rated. He has no head movement, no foot work and doesn't roll with punches. He simply throws alot of punches and wears out his opponents. Skill wise, his boxing technique isn't great.

I think GSP will take him down and grind out a decision but Diaz may cause problems from the bottom.

Mellor

karl bracken wrote: »

Mainly UFC, i used to use Paddy Power when i was at home but im in Oz now!
Will check Pinnacle out.
Cheers

You can still use PaddyPower from oz, I use them from time to time.

RainMaker

DrPhilG wrote: »

Only listened to the first 10 minutes so far, but it's just more of the spoilt brat Diaz.

Don't you know who I am...
I don't get the respect I deserve...
I get left out of the mainstream advertising...

WAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHH.

Wait until you get to the soccer mom story It's at about 32 mins in...

fightireland

Mellor wrote: »

You can still use PaddyPower from oz, I use them from time to time.

PP owns the aussie betting company sportsbet.au if you would like to use those.

magic_murph

Can't help but enjoy Diaz - He starts at point A and ends up at point R - random ramblings but entertaining all the same.
Hopefully it's a good 5 rounder - with Diaz coming out on top but think GSP will have a smarter game plan and not just go out there to brawl like Diaz more than likely will

EvanCornwallis

The conference call was interesting. Should be a good main event , but very hard to see past a George victory.

garhjw

Shazbot wrote: »

His boxing is highly over-rated. He has no head movement, no foot work and doesn't roll with punches. He simply throws alot of punches and wears out his opponents. Skill wise, his boxing technique isn't great.

I think GSP will take him down and grind out a decision but Diaz may cause problems from the bottom.

Totally agree with you. Diaz's apparent boxing skills have never been tested against top class opposition. But I agree that GSP will take him down but I think he will lay a beating on Diaz on the ground.

Steve O

I'd love Diaz to win this, just to see the blood drain from Danas face at goldenboy losing him millions.

In all seriousness, GSP has this in the bag and will probably GnP nick into oblivion. I've never seen GSP this angry, I actually I feel a bit sorry for Diaz.

EvanCornwallis

garhjw wrote: »

Totally agree with you. Diaz's apparent boxing skills have never been tested against top class opposition. But I agree that GSP will take him down but I think he will lay a beating on Diaz on the ground.

Stupid statement.

As far as mma goes he has had some top opposition.

El Guapo!

EvanCornwallis wrote: »

Stupid statement.

As far as mma goes he has had some top opposition.

I'm not so sure on that. Have a look again at his record.
He has faced some very good opposition but as far as TOP opposition is concerned he's faced Carlos Condit and lost. He also beat the shít out of BJ, BUT...BJ Penn has been a shadow of his former self for a long long time. In my opinion, he didn't beat BJ at his best. Or even at half his best.

Diaz hasn't faced the toughest guys in the UFC at WW or LW. I think there's a lot of UFC guys in those weight classes that would beat Diaz. I think at WW he's MAYBE top 5. At LW he's definitely bottom half of top ten. He's highly overrated in my opinion.
There's no denying he has a chance against GSP. It's stupid to say he has no chance. But I think that chance is a slim one. GSP takes this all day long.

garhjw

EvanCornwallis wrote: »

Stupid statement.

As far as mma goes he has had some top opposition.

Like who? As el guano stated the only top fighter Diaz faced was bj but bj was well past his prime.

EvanCornwallis

El Guapo! wrote: »

I'm not so sure on that. Have a look again at his record.
He has faced some very good opposition but as far as TOP opposition is concerned he's faced Carlos Condit and lost. He also beat the shít out of BJ, BUT...BJ Penn has been a shadow of his former self for a long long time. In my opinion, he didn't beat BJ at his best. Or even at half his best.

Diaz hasn't faced the toughest guys in the UFC at WW or LW. I think there's a lot of UFC guys in those weight classes that would beat Diaz. I think at WW he's MAYBE top 5. At LW he's definitely bottom half of top ten. He's highly overrated in my opinion.
There's no denying he has a chance against GSP. It's stupid to say he has no chance. But I think that chance is a slim one. GSP takes this all day long.

Well it depends how you define top opposition. Id see it as top 10 guys as i see them. The post I responded to, was talking about his striking and in that regards as far as mma goes, he has faced people know for good mma striking.

His best wins IMO are Gomi and Lawler. Then you have BJ, who was a little faded but not as much as Shamrock or Sakurai. Condit beat him as did Sherk and Sanchez. Then he had a lot of wins against guys that have strengths but aren't the most well rounded. Lytle , Daley etc


People say he's over rated but it depends how you rate him in the first place. He's a game fighter with good offensive mma boxing and solid JJ. Everyone know his weakness and the blue print for beating him. A strong wrestler that will hold him down. His chin is really good and the only way of finishing him is probably the Jeremy Jackson style swarm of punches for a TKO or a cut.

garhjw

EvanCornwallis wrote: »

Well it depends how you define top opposition. Id see it as top 10 guys as i see them. The post I responded to, was talking about his striking and in that regards as far as mma goes, he has faced people know for good mma striking.

His best wins IMO are Gomi and Lawler. Then you have BJ, who was a little faded but not as much as Shamrock or Sakurai. Condit beat him as did Sherk and Sanchez. Then he had a lot of wins against guys that have strengths but aren't the most well rounded. Lytle , Daley etc


People say he's over rated but it depends how you rate him in the first place. He's a game fighter with good offensive mma boxing and solid JJ. Everyone know his weakness and the blue print for beating him. A strong wrestler that will hold him down. His chin is really good and the only way of finishing him is probably the Jeremy Jackson style swarm of punches for a TKO or a cut.

So his boxing skills have never been tested against top quality competitors. You just made my point. Thank you.

cowzerp

Shazbot wrote: »

His boxing is highly over-rated. He has no head movement, no foot work and doesn't roll with punches. He simply throws alot of punches and wears out his opponents. Skill wise, his boxing technique isn't great.

I think GSP will take him down and grind out a decision but Diaz may cause problems from the bottom.

Agreed

He arm punches and has awful technique, no footwork, no head movement and simply outworks opponents, his tippy tappy style uses little energy.

dave1982

Anyone know if Diaz has agreed to filming the countdown or primetime?

Its two late for primetime now anyway

EvanCornwallis

garhjw wrote: »

So his boxing skills have never been tested against top quality competitors. You just made my point. Thank you.

Thank you for confirming to me your knowledge of MMA. I mean UFC, sorry to confuse you.

So You mean the top level boxing you seen in your first mma fight ?

Griffin vs Bonnar.

Who are these top boxers in lw/ww mma ?

That make Penn,Gomi,Lyle ,Lawler ,Noons, Daley look so bad.

garhjw

I'm not getting into trading insults with you but if you need to do that to put forward your argument knock yourself out.

Diaz's boxing skills are overrated. Listing the "quality" opposition above - Daley? Seriously? Lawlor? A way past his best bj penn?

Yawn

EvanCornwallis

Who are the top LW/WW strikers ?

You don't think Lawler and Daley are good mma strikers lol

Penn way past ? Calm down

Who are better than him and Gomi in that department ?