Shooting off the ground.

natdog

cubbyleader wrote: »

Here's a video I put together of some shooting I did yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa4GBadZYzs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa4GBadZYzs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

That a pigeon you shot on the ground poor form in most peoples eyes vermin or not.If you missed him coming in you should at least stand up let him take flight again and then have a go.

TriggerPL

natdog wrote: »

That a pigeon you shot on the ground poor form in most peoples eyes vermin or not.If you missed him coming in you should at least stand up let him take flight again and then have a go.

And the difference being ! U never shoot a crow or a magpie on the ground with a shottie or rifle ?

No course ya haven't !

natdog

TriggerPL wrote: »

And the difference being ! U never shoot a crow or a magpie on the ground with a shottie or rifle ?

No course ya haven't !

I never shoot any bird on the ground with a shottie, as I said vermin or not and as for the rifle that's for bunnies and foxes creatures that walk on the ground. I just think its bad practice but as I said what ever your into.

cubbyleader

I was actually standing up when when he came in but I've never been one to let them land or even get close to landing I rather shooting them as they swoop in but I don't see the harm in shooting one on the ground if I didn't intend to let him land he just caught me off guard

natdog

yeah they catch you off guard sometimes you would have got some slagging of the lads I shoot with for how late you were on that shot:o

dodderangler

cubbyleader wrote: »

I was actually standing up when when he came in but I've never been one to let them land or even get close to landing I rather shooting them as they swoop in but I don't see the harm in shooting one on the ground if I didn't intend to let him land he just caught me off guard

Where you asked to shoot them and to rid them off the land by a farmer?

TriggerPL

natdog wrote: »

I never shoot any bird on the ground with a shottie, as I said vermin or not and as for the rifle that's for bunnies and foxes creatures that walk on the ground. I just think its bad practice but as I said what ever your into.

That's right grays magpies crows don't walk on the ground

cubbyleader

Yea I was resetting the camera to record more video for ungrateful people like you when that pigeon came in. And no I wasn't asked to shoot them by the farmer they were on the field besides the house so I said id give it a go.

dodderangler

Well either shooting them in air or ground they are vermin
I've no problem with anyone shooting crows pigeons magpies etc on ground
Kill is a kill need to be controlled anyway
Different if it was pheasant or something but it's not
Good video mate

natdog

TriggerPL wrote: »

That's right grays magpies crows don't walk on the ground

that makes loads of sense
you need to change the attitude im just giving my opinion that I don't think any bird should be shot on the ground, if you want to don't let me stop you.

TriggerPL

natdog wrote: »

that makes loads of sense
you need to change the attitude im just giving my opinion that I don't think any bird should be shot on the ground, if you want to don't let me stop you.

U make it out like these birds dont walk at all , it ok to shoot foxs and squirrels on the ground but not winged vermin ?

Then why comment and say bad form on the op , like he should be ashamed ! He has not done anything wrong ! Or perhaps ya can show where he was at fault !

natdog

we partake in sport even if it is shooting vermin so I think we should give the animal a sporting chance you don't so that's cool.
just never liked the idea of shooting birds on the ground.

natdog

TriggerPL wrote: »

He has not done anything wrong ! Or perhaps ya can show where he was at fault !

its a bull**** law and I don't agree with it but it is the law he was shooting the birds out of season and as he stated he was not doing it for the farmer as part of crop protection.

TriggerPL

natdog wrote: »

its a bull**** law and I don't agree with it but it is the law he was shooting the birds out of season and as he stated he was not doing it for the farmer as part of crop protection.

Haha that's great yes I agree he shot them out of season by his own admission , love the way u twisted that into ur argument ! And shame on the op

But to get back on topic I would never shoot a game bird on the ground , but pigeon at farmers request magpie and other vermin I would and apologise to no one , so you can twist it all ya want , but there is no law against shooting vermin on the ground , and morrals are ban from this forum so keep them to ur self !

cubbyleader

natdog wrote: »

its a bull**** law and I don't agree with it but it is the law he was shooting the birds out of season and as he stated he was not doing it for the farmer as part of crop protection.

Did I say I wasn't shooting them for crop protection ? I said I wasn't asked to shoot them most of the fields there feeding on cant be shot because there to close to houses and roads so when I seen them where I could shoot em I took that opportunity

natdog

Don't think morals are banned.
I don't want to clog this thread but maybe the op didn't realise that some would frown upon shooting birds on the ground because it never came up before the same as he probably didn't realise he was shooting out of season.
How did you know it wasn't sporting to shoot pheasant on the ground im sure somewhere along the line somebody said it to you.

natdog

cubbyleader
alright yeah:rolleyes:

cubbyleader

I know the season and I know I'm allowed to shoot them for crop protection and I knew some people don't like birds being shot on the ground but theres no law against it so I dont see the problem

charlie10

very nice video lad ,but i have to admit the fact u shot the pigeon on the ground jumped out at me. not taking sides or anything but i like to give "birds" there chance to fight there half of the battle and thats in the air in my opinion. its just the fact u pulled off some good shots in the air i was surprised to see u shooting him on the ground.....and before any one but the op starts questioning me dont bother....u know who u are

lb1981

There are two types of people commenting on that video , the ones who would take that shot and the others who are liars.
I'm shooting a long time and grew up around shooting people and work with shooting people and i can safely say when a bird lands in like that everybody takes the shot , its adrenaline its why we shoot.

charlie10

are u calling me a liar

natdog

cubbyleader wrote: »

I know the season and I know I'm allowed to shoot them for crop protection and I knew some people don't like birds being shot on the ground but theres no law against it so I dont see the problem

could be wrong but as far as I know theres no law against shooting pheasant on the ground but you wouldn't do that would you.
All im saying is I wouldn't take that shot don't know why your getting so bothered.

lb1981

Im saying everybody takes that shot ,i have been pigeon shooting some days and most of the shots have been birds landing in like that on Decoys,watch any pigeon shooting dvd's and a lot of shots are like that ,its vermin control it dosnt matter how you shoot them walking or flying ,no different than shooting one with a rifle ,if it was a pheasant or duck that would be a whole different ball game altogether

you lying bastard:D:D

charlie10

ok u got me :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

not!!

dodderangler

natdog wrote: »

could be wrong but as far as I know theres no law against shooting pheasant on the ground but you wouldn't do that would you.
All im saying is I wouldn't take that shot don't know why your getting so bothered.

No law against it but most would show a lot more respect to shooting pheasants than pigeons and crows

snipe02

[QUOTE= most would show a lot more respect to shooting pheasants than pigeons and crows[/QUOTE]why?

dodderangler

snipe02 wrote: »

why?

Dunno
In my opinion itd be when hunting pheasants it's more bout the hunt and watching the dogs work and could go whole day without seeing 1
Pigeons and crows you see everyday and consider them pests so not much respect is shown to them

TriggerPL

dodderangler wrote: »

No law against it but most would show a lot more respect to shooting pheasants than pigeons and crows

Wait a min if I had know that ! I'd have a lot more birds this year !
@ natdog
We don't shoot pheasants on the ground for the same reason we don't catch them in traps , there not vermin !

@natdog
I suppose you let magpies out of Larsen traps and give them a fighting chance too !

Or like the rest of ur dispatch them with a small club on the noggin !

And seriously Charlie ,yes the shot on the ground catch everyone eye , but we would all take that shot !

dodderangler

TriggerPL wrote: »

Wait a min if I had know that ! I'd have a lot more birds this year ! We don't shoot pheasants on the ground for the same reason we don't catch them in traps , there not vermin !

I suppose you let magpies out of Larsen traps and give them a fighting chance too !

Or like the rest of ur dispatch them with a small club on the noggin !

And seriously Charlie ,yes the shot on the ground catch everyone eye , but we would all take that shot !

Think you took me up wrong on that trig

TriggerPL

dodderangler wrote: »

Think you took me up wrong on that trig

Just edited my post wasn't aimed at you bud

dodderangler

TriggerPL wrote: »

Just edited my post wasn't aimed at you bud

No worries pal
Surprised mods havint jumped in on this yet :rolleyes:

charlie10

what i usually do is leave off a roar and when they rise off the ground i give them a bit of "yipee ki yea mother ****er" i dont shoot them on the ground, plus i shoot to constantly improve my shot and hitting them on the ground does nothing for it, so i dont bother end of really. i love pulling off good shots and hitting them on the ground unless they have 4 legs and a springer on there heels i dont :P

natdog

dodderangler wrote: »

Dunno
In my opinion itd be when hunting pheasants it's more bout the hunt and watching the dogs work and could go whole day without seeing 1
Pigeons and crows you see everyday and consider them pests so not much respect is shown to them

obviously you have never decoyed bit more to it than you think and you should respect pretty much everything you shoot.

natdog

TriggerPL wrote: »

Wait a min if I had know that ! I'd have a lot more birds this year !
@ natdog
We don't shoot pheasants on the ground for the same reason we don't catch them in traps , there not vermin !

@natdog
I suppose you let magpies out of Larsen traps and give them a fighting chance too !

Or like the rest of ur dispatch them with a small club on the noggin !

And seriously Charlie ,yes the shot on the ground catch everyone eye , but we would all take that shot !

Think you missed my point I was replying to the fact that the op only explanation was there is no law against it.
We don't shoot pheasant on the ground because its not sporting the same applies to pigeon they are vermin true but great sport and they are due the respect in my eyes.
think this has ran its course so im out good luck.

dev110

dodderangler wrote: »

No worries pal
Surprised mods havint jumped in on this yet :rolleyes:

Why would we be jumping in on this?
No rules have been broken and things are civil. I'm actually finding it interesting to see the different views people have on this.

Personally I would have taken the shot.

jellybaby21

Correct me if I'm wrong but are pigeon not classed as a game bird now?So why treat them any different than any other game bird.I.e given a sporting chance.

cubbyleader

In this case the pigeons are being shot as vermin same as fox's are shot as vermin and your saying theres no sport in shooting pigeons on the ground if you were out shooting fox's and had one in your sights would you let a shout at him and try shoot em as he ran away or shoot em on the spot ? I know id shoot em on the spot it's just one more in the bag

Invincible

dodderangler wrote: »

No law against it but most would show a lot more respect to shooting pheasants than pigeons and crows

I know of lads that have admitted to shooting pheasants on the ground out the car window, reason being greed, to try and win a prize on Nov 1st. I've heard of another fella that was observed shooting pheasants this past season off the road.

dodderangler

Invincible wrote: »

I know of lads that have admitted to shooting pheasants on the ground out the car window, reason being greed, to try and win a prize on Nov 1st. I've heard of another fella that was observed shooting pheasants this past season off the road.

Would them lads be in a gun club ?

slim223

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q08uaFD1-IA

couldn't resist

snipe02

dodderangler wrote: »

Dunno
In my opinion itd be when hunting pheasants it's more bout the hunt and watching the dogs work and could go whole day without seeing 1
Pigeons and crows you see everyday and consider them pests so not much respect is shown to them

they should get as much respect as the rest thats a bs attitude does a pigeon or crow deserve less trearment than a pheasant or woodcock etc nothing wrong with shooting em on the ground in my eye when its crop protection im just suprised lads think just because its vermin that they deserve less respect

mike91

I reckon shoot vermin birds any which way as long as its a clean kill more so in the air and game birds in the air only.. Clean kill also.. Well you know what I mean.. Dont read into this too much haha

slim223

I don't own a shotgun as I prefer rifles, so any vermin birds. crow, magpie etc is shot with my .223

Invincible

dodderangler wrote: »

Would them lads be in a gun club ?

Both cowboys not in gun clubs.

mike91

Invincible wrote: »

Both cowboys not in gun clubs.

well there ya go

dodderangler

Invincible wrote: »

Both cowboys not in gun clubs.

So who is giving out prizes for 1st bird shot?

mike91

dodderangler wrote: »

So who is giving out prizes for 1st bird shot?

differant lads read again

dodderangler

mike91 wrote: »

differant lads read again

So basically just bragging rights to shooting first bird

Invincible

dodderangler wrote: »

So who is giving out prizes for 1st bird shot?

Some pubs would have open competitions, the second individual mentioned was shooting after the competition, maybe for the pot.

mike91

dodderangler wrote: »

So basically just bragging rights to shooting first bird

yeah, id love to know what they think about themselves later on. At the end of the day they are only lying to themselves.

garv123

vermin control is about keeping the numbers down and taking every shot and making them count to reduce numbers...

pigeons shot over crops are considered vermin..

People dont raise and release pheasants spending money on them to shoot them on the ground or when they get up in your face. There's a difference. Your not trying to reduce the pheasant population as much as possible.

id shoot crows and mags out of trees on on the ground.