elfy4eva wrote: » If there was doubt, why would al Qaeda confirm his death?
NIMAN wrote: » If he was alive, would he not just come out and say "hello, here I am, the imperialists did not kill me".
elfy4eva wrote: » Loads of people were left alive in the compound to confirm it, not least of which his wife, Amal al-Sadah who was in the room when he was shot, if you find flaw with a witness' testimony then I don't think you'd be satisfied even if they released gruesome photos of his carcass.
elfy4eva wrote: » Well this tale keeps getting taller and taller. If a photo was released you probably would say it's not good enough cos half his head is missing. I'll stick to my view of occams razor I think.
Arpa wrote: » SAS took a bad rap for this I think?
Where is the downed chopper?
Where is Osamas body? Buried at sea?> Convenient.
Torakx wrote: » What did they do with Gadaffis body?
Brown Bomber wrote: » Does Occam's razor involve ignoring 10 straight questions?
Jonny7 wrote: » SAS weren't involved
Arpa wrote: » Sorry I meant the seals. I was pointing out that SAS and Berets were meant to be trained exactly for this kind of situation...but what happened?....really important mission, probably the most important and they go crash a chopper. So much for them. To be honest I think they're lucky they got him after all that mess.
I'm not saying they should plaster them all over the tv stations...but at least release them to the public domain. As for making him a martyr...he already is in the eyes of fundamentalists so big deal.
Arpa wrote: » Sorry I meant the seals. I was pointing out that SAS and Berets were meant to be trained exactly for this kind of situation...but what happened?....really important mission, probably the most important and they go crash a chopper. So much for them. To be honest I think they're lucky they got him after all that mess. .
Torakx wrote: » What incitement? Apparently according to the USA gov they are under attack 24/7. And in 2001 a full scale attack on their financial district(which helped alot of white business men too im guessing). Security is up at what? orangina? lemonaide? i cant remember their protocols lol Maybe it wasnt soft drinks and colours instead. Im basically saying this is a joke of a situation.To think the USA are afraid of incitement.They have insighted enough rage all over the world.Everyone hates them, even some Israelis im sure.
Brown Bomber wrote: » It's not only that. What people don't seem to understand are the concepts of Shaheed and jihad. Bin Laden in death (fighting the infidels) becomes a hero and is celebrated.The incitement is not killing bin Laden their motivations are outlined in Bin Laden's fatwas - military bases in Saudi Arabia, the sanctions killing children in Iraq, unconditional support for the crimes of Israel etc.
Torakx wrote: » What incitement? Apparently according to the USA gov they are under attack 24/7.
And in 2001 a full scale attack on their financial district(which helped alot of white business men too im guessing).
Security is up at what? orangina? lemonaide? i cant remember their protocols lol
Im basically saying this is a joke of a situation.To think the USA are afraid of incitement.They have insighted enough rage all over the world.Everyone hates them, even some Israelis im sure.
Torakx wrote: » Can you explain this part? I dont know if its a lack of a comma and my understandig of who "their" is or im just wrecked from a long day of walking lol But more info cant hurt. Although dont hit me with a wall of text please im still wrecked.
It should not be hidden from you that the people of Islam had suffered from aggression, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Zionist-Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the hands of the enemies. Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq. The horrifying pictures of the massacre of Qana, in Lebanon are still fresh in our memory. Massacres in Tajakestan, Burma, Cashmere, Assam, Philippine, Fatani, Ogadin, Somalia, Erithria, Chechnia and in Bosnia-Herzegovina took place, massacres that send shivers in the body and shake the conscience. All of this and the world watch and hear, and not only didn't respond to these atrocities, but also with a clear conspiracy between the USA and its' allies and under the cover of the iniquitous United Nations, the dispossessed people were even prevented from obtaining arms to defend themselves. The people of Islam awakened and realised that they are the main target for the aggression of the Zionist-Crusaders alliance. All false claims and propaganda about "Human Rights" were hammered down and exposed by the massacres that took place against the Muslims in every part of the world. The latest and the greatest of these aggressions, incurred by the Muslims since the death of the Prophet (ALLAH'S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM) is the occupation of the land of the two Holy Places -the foundation of the house of Islam, the place of the revelation, the source of the message and the place of the noble Ka'ba, the Qiblah of all Muslims- by the armies of the American Crusaders and their allies. (We bemoan this and can only say: "No power and power acquiring except through Allah").
First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples. If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless. Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation. So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors. Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula. All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries.
Arpa wrote: » I think you've all been readin a little too much Tom Clancy. Choppers don't just go down in missions.
Brown Bomber wrote: » The point is that Islamic terrorism exists due to perceived wrongs and bin Laden having been killed in jiihad against the "great satan" means he becomes a martyr - a position of honour. Also, these so called Al Qaeda guys believe that everyone's time of death is fixed so death is less of a tragedy and death true martyrdom is a cause for celebration. Showing photos of Bin Laden (if they existed would not inflame the situation) The point I am struggling to get at is what motivates this jihad is Western Imperialism combined with an Islamic supremacist attitude. The following are taken from Bin Laden's fatwas against the West and are largely legitimate grievances.
Stainless_Steel wrote: » Re the chopper crash, it annoys me when people spout crap about things they have no clue about.A vortex ring state is near impossible to handle for any pilot. In saying that, it can be put down to human error. The mistake was made by the mission planners, not the pilot. They practiced at a mockup of the compound in the Nevada desert. The mistake was that the walls of the mockup were constructed from chain link fence. This results in a very different airflow profile from concrete walls. But the mockup was built from chain link for good reason too - it allows the mission planners to see every detail as the team practices.
Torakx wrote: » Even I as a non pilot and nothing to do with flight in anyway, know of this issue. How is it you think the american governments army forgot this glaring problem? Obviously there is alot of force on the air when a helicoptor tries to drop down into a hole as it were. A chain link fence is not a hole again as it were. I am uneducated in flight lingo lol
Torakx wrote: » Even I as a non pilot and nothing to do with flight in anyway, know of this issue. How is it you think the american governments army forgot this glaring problem?
