St. Brigid's vs. Ballymun Kickams - AI SCFC Final 2013 (17/03/13, 3:45 PM)

Syferus

...what beats you got, Ballymun?

Hammer Archer

Ballymun beats you say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96qU6TK2mj8

Always_Running

Ballymun to win by 1-3 points will be good value with bookies.

Syferus

Always_Running wrote: »

Ballymun to win by 1-3 points will be good value with bookies.

Ah, Always Running, perennial Brigid's pessimist. :pac:

I hope you haven't been taking your own advice on Brigid's or Ballymun have a serious tab to erase for you - we can't go putting the Kickams lads under any more pressure

Drummerboy2

All a big adventure for Kickhams. Underdogs in Dublin, unfancied in Leinster, total outsiders against Crokes and once again not expected to win on Paddies Day. Sure they'll give it a last anyway.

DoctaDee

Paaah .. All Ireland final ... nothing comes close to beating Erins Isle in '82 ... Best of luck to my old team twas a long time coming. That'll be 3 weeks in a row in Croker for me, if I could have just one win it would be da Mun.

Always_Running

Syferus wrote: »

Ah, Always Running, perennial Brigid's pessimist. :pac:

I hope you haven't been taking your own advice on Brigid's or Ballymun have a serious tab to erase for you - we can't go putting the Kickams lads under any more pressure

My tip was the Leinster champions (whoever won it) would win this years All Ireland, now that Ballymun are in the final i won't be changing my mind. On route to this final Ballymun have beaten four former all Ireland winners they don't care about history or tradition and St Brigids are favoutires just like most of the others teams were against Ballymun.

keane2097

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

All a big adventure for Kickhams. Underdogs in Dublin, unfancied in Leinster, total outsiders against Crokes and once again not expected to win on Paddies Day. Sure they'll give it a last anyway.

Eh? They're favourites with any bookie that doesn't make it evens your pick...

Drummerboy2

Tickets for the club finals are €25. A little steep for club games in my opinion, especially in the current climate. Won't be too many neutrals going at that price.

Syferus

12.50 Euro per final in the most quintessential competitions in the GAA? Would you prefer they run at an even greater loss and just pay you to attend? Seriously.

You really need to have a look at the prices in every other sport for major finals if you think 25 Euro for even one match is steep, let alone too.

It continues to amaze me how little perspective there is about pricing in the GAA - they're easily the best value in the country right now. Thinking lowering them any more would increase attendances by any great margin is based on the patently false assumption that ticket prices are even the costs most people worry about when going to matches - transport plays as much a role as ticket prices in peoples' choices and the GAA can do nothing about those costs.

The club finals need better advertisement of the current prices, not a reduction in them.

Drummerboy2

Syferus wrote: »

12.50 Euro per final in the most quintessential competitions in the GAA? Would you prefer they run at an even greater loss and just pay you to attend? Seriously.

You really need to have a look at the prices in every other sport for major finals if you think 25 Euro for even one match is steep, let alone too.

It continues to amaze me how little perspective there is about pricing in the GAA - they're easily the best value in the country right now. Thinking lowering them any more would increase attendances by any great margin is based on the patently false assumption that ticket prices are even the costs most people worry about when going to matches - transport plays as much a role as ticket prices in peoples' choices and the GAA can do nothing about those costs.

The club finals need better advertisement of the current prices, not a reduction in them.

What do you mean by lowering them any more.

When you consider its 13 euros to see Dublin v Mayo tomorrow night. A top class inter county game. In these times of hardship, the cost of 25 euros will certainly keep the crowd low. If they had charged 15 euros it would have increased the crowd. Remember its a club game.

John37

Will there be concession for OAPs and students on the full priced tickets?

Syferus

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

What do you mean by lowering them any more.

When you consider its 13 euros to see Dublin v Mayo tomorrow night. A top class inter county game. In these times of hardship, the cost of 25 euros will certainly keep the crowd low. If they had charged 15 euros it would have increased the crowd. Remember its a club game.

You realise to break even the GAA needs about 30k at Croke Park, right? The club finals are usual in the 20-25k range so in most cases they're probably running at a loss. There's many more avenues for expense at matches for the GAA than lowering the ticket price and they won't change no matter how low the prices go. The junior/inter club finals run at a big loss and are only hosted at HQ out of respect for the competitions and because of what it means to those players to play at Croke Park, by the way.

Part of the reason they've started to regularly close the Hill and upper tiers for all but the biggest matches is because it helps keep costs down.

A league match isn't comparable in pricing to two senior championship finals and if you can't see that much I think it's a waste of time trying to convince you otherwise. The Spring Series prices are the very best value in the sport so it's more than a little disengenous to use it as an example of the club finals being over-priced.

How many club finals have you attended? 'It's a club game' seems to indicate you think the standard is hugely lower than senior intercounty. The simple truth is the clubs that reach this stage of the club championship are regularly beating county teams in challenge matches; they're as good as plentysenior county sides and the intensity on display is at the same level as the later stages of the intercounty championship.

There aren't 'just' club games, they're the culmination of a championship literally hundreds of clubs began last May and a day every single one of those clubs would love to be playing on, If that's of no value to you then I really have to wonder why you're even interested in the club finals at all.

The prices are perfect and thinking lowering it any further would result in much increased attendence is based on the fallacy that it's the true barrier to entry for a lot of people.

Drummerboy2

Syferus wrote: »

You realise to break even the GAA needs about 30k at Croke Park, right? The club finals are usual in the 20-25k range so in most cases they're problably running at a loss. There's many more avenues for money at matches for the GAA than ticket prices.

Part of the reason they've started to regularly close the Hill and upper tiers for all but the biggest matches is because it helps keep costs down.

A league match isn't comparable in pricing to two senior championship finals and if you can't see that much I think it's a waste of time trying to convince you otherwise. The Spring Series prices are the very best value in the sport so it's more than a little disengenous to use it as an example of the club finals being over-priced.

How many club finals have you attended? 'It's a club game' seems to indicate you think the standard is hugely lower than senior intercounty. The simple truth is the clubs that reach this stage of the club championship are regularly beating county teams in challenge matches; they're as good as plentysenior county sides and the intensity on display is at the same level as the later stages of the intercounty championship.

There aren't 'just' club games, they're the culmination of a championship literally hundreds of clubs began last May and a day every single one of those clubs would love to be playing on, If that's of no value to you then I really have to wonder why you're even interested in the club finals at all.

The prices are perfect and thinking lowering it any further would result in much increased attendence is based on the fallacy that it's the true barrier to entry for a lot of people.

Spare me the lecture Syferus. I'm basing my opinion having spoken to lots of people who were going to make it a family day out. But at this price they can't afford it. You don't seem to realise how hard it is for some people to make ends meet.

How much was it into the junior or intermediate club championship matches last week in Croke Park. Certainly not 25 euro and I bet there wasn't more than a couple of thousand at the game.

It was also a chance to attract lots of people who wouldn't normally go to GAA matches to Croke Park and maybe help influence them to becoming members of their local GAA club.

Thats my genuine opinion.

Syferus

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

Spare me the lecture Syferus. I'm basing my opinion having spoken to lots of people who were going to make it a family day out. But at this price they can't afford it. You don't seem to realise how hard it is for some people to make ends meet.

How much was it into the junior or intermediate club championship matches last week in Croke Park. Certainly not 25 euro and I bet there wasn't more than a couple of thousand at the game.

It was also a chance to attract lots of people who wouldn't normally go to GAA matches to Croke Park and maybe help influence them to becoming members of their local GAA club.

Thats my genuine opinion.

I'll "spare you the lecture" when you don't come onto a thread about a match spouting off ill-informed opinions about lowering the admission of the match rather than talking about the match. If you want to discuss the larger topic of ticket prices here is not the place.

blowitupref

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

Spare me the lecture Syferus. I'm basing my opinion having spoken to lots of people who were going to make it a family day out. But at this price they can't afford it. You don't seem to realise how hard it is for some people to make ends meet.

How much was it into the junior or intermediate club championship matches last week in Croke Park. Certainly not 25 euro and I bet there wasn't more than a couple of thousand at the game.

It was also a chance to attract lots of people who wouldn't normally go to GAA matches to Croke Park and maybe help influence them to becoming members of their local GAA club.

Thats my genuine opinion.

Junior final was played with Interprovincial Football Final €10 for Adults, €5 for Juveniles and all the proceeds went to Our Lady’s Children’s Hospital, Crumlin.

Drummerboy2

Syferus wrote: »

I'll "spare you the lecture" when you don't come onto a thread about a match spouting off ill-informed opinions about lowering the admission of the match rather than talking about the match. If you want to discuss the larger topic of ticket prices here is not the place.

I'm afraid you are the one that is ill informed. You sound like a real keyboard warrior. Are you the self appointed moderator of this forum?

As regards the match I fully expect Ballymun to win by 3 or 4 points, or am I allowed express another opinion.

DoctaDee

I'm gonna sleep in Croker after the Tyrone game on da Saturday ...in the context of 2 matches on following days I'm guessing the crowds gonna be down anyways

Always_Running

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

I'm afraid you are the one that is ill informed. You sound like a real keyboard warrior. Are you the self appointed moderator of this forum?

As regards the match I fully expect Ballymun to win by 3 or 4 points, or am I allowed express another opinion.

if you fancy a flutter Ballymun 6/1 with paddy powers to win by 4-6 points.

Syferus

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

I'm afraid you are the one that is ill informed. You sound like a real keyboard warrior. Are you the self appointed moderator of this forum?

As regards the match I fully expect Ballymun to win by 3 or 4 points, or am I allowed express another opinion.

I'm not even going to take the bait.

klairondavis

Syferus wrote: »

You realise to break even the GAA needs about 30k at Croke Park, right? The club finals are usual in the 20-25k range so in most cases they're problably running at a loss.

This isn't true. That figure has been bandied about for years but it has little basis.

The CCCC were quoted after the league semi finals last year that they estimate 'break even' crowd for Croke Park to be around 5,000 people:

A figure of 32,000 has been bandied about as the crowd needed at Croke Park for the GAA to break even.

"That idea is rubbish and over-simplified," said McGill. "The figure is based on 640,000 people coming to Croke Park for 20 games. Break that down and it’s 32,000 a game.

"Did Sunday cost us? No. The idea that it does is a misinterpretation, an urban myth and it’s not accurate. If there is an accurate figure, I would guess it to be 5,000."

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2012/0417/ireland/mcgill-cccc-to-review-croker-league-semi-finals-190815.html

Jayob10

klairondavis wrote: »

This isn't true. That figure has been bandied about for years but it has little basis.

The CCCC were quoted after the league semi finals last year that they estimate 'break even' crowd for Croke Park to be around 5,000 people:

the 5,000 figure is the correct one, I have no idea where this 30,000 figure comes from

Strongbow10

Syferus wrote: »

You realise to break even the GAA needs about 30k at Croke Park, right? The club finals are usual in the 20-25k range so in most cases they're probably running at a loss. There's many more avenues for expense at matches for the GAA than lowering the ticket price and they won't change no matter how low the prices go. The junior/inter club finals run at a big loss and are only hosted at HQ out of respect for the competitions and because of what it means to those players to play at Croke Park, by the way.

Part of the reason they've started to regularly close the Hill and upper tiers for all but the biggest matches is because it helps keep costs down.

A league match isn't comparable in pricing to two senior championship finals and if you can't see that much I think it's a waste of time trying to convince you otherwise. The Spring Series prices are the very best value in the sport so it's more than a little disengenous to use it as an example of the club finals being over-priced.

How many club finals have you attended? 'It's a club game' seems to indicate you think the standard is hugely lower than senior intercounty. The simple truth is the clubs that reach this stage of the club championship are regularly beating county teams in challenge matches; they're as good as plentysenior county sides and the intensity on display is at the same level as the later stages of the intercounty championship.

There aren't 'just' club games, they're the culmination of a championship literally hundreds of clubs began last May and a day every single one of those clubs would love to be playing on, If that's of no value to you then I really have to wonder why you're even interested in the club finals at all.

The prices are perfect and thinking lowering it any further would result in much increased attendence is based on the fallacy that it's the true barrier to entry for a lot of people.

Haven't got the time to properly dissect this post, but you are wrong in a number of your statements namely the 30k break even figure. Its just plain wrong although I get the impression you are not the type of man to admit it.

In another post you complained this is not the place to discuss pricing? You went on a detailed rant about how the pricing is "perfect".

I for one know numerous people who will not be attending the finals on the basis of it being simply too expensive, they will watch on tv instead.

Beating intercounty sides in challenge matches from November-Feb does not put these elite club sides at the level of intercounty teams either, thats a fallacy in itself.

padd b1975

Jayob10 wrote: »

the 5,000 figure is the correct one, I have no idea where this 30,000 figure comes from

The 30,000 break even figure was doing the rounds about 10 years ago when the seating redevelopment had just ended and the borrowings were at their peak.

Syferus

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Haven't got the time to properly dissect this post, but you are wrong in a number of your statements namely the 30k break even figure. Its just plain wrong although I get the impression you are not the type of man to admit it.

What is the point taking someone seriously when that amounts to their first attempt at adding to the conversation?

Sometimes I really wonder why people come to a forum if their approach to it is flinging personal insults around and expect a good response.

Strongbow10

Syferus wrote: »

What is the point taking someone seriously when that amounts to their first attempt at adding to the conversation?

Sometimes I really wonder why people come to a forum if their approach to it is flinging personal insults around and expect a good response.

Couldn't give a fiddlers if you take me seriously or not, I was merely pointing out the discrepancies in your post which you presented as fact.

It was indeed you who took a pop at a fellow poster for mentioning ticket pricing in the first place was it not?

keane2097

I'm a bit surprised Ballymun are favourites for this.

blowitupref

keane2097 wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised Ballymun are favourites for this.

Favourites with Boylesports and still slight underdogs with paddypower. I guess plenty in Dublin are laying down cash on Ballymun.

Strongbow10

St Brigids have some pedigree, but I have a sneaky feeling they may come up short again.

They have dominated in Connacht, I will be slated over saying this but I don't think they would be All Ireland contenders if they were based east of the shannon in Leinster for instance.

Brigids have a far stronger bench this year however, and they have solved their weakness at goalkeeper with Shane Curran being back between the posts.

Ballymun will only be delighted to be underdogs

Utopia Parkway

Strongbow10 wrote: »

They have dominated in Connacht, I will be slated over saying this but I don't think they would be All Ireland contenders if they were based east of the shannon in Leinster for instance.

Why not? I'm no fan of Brigid's but I doubt there are very many if any club sides in Leinster that would be able for Crossmaglen. The standard between Connacht and Leinster club football is not that different IMO. Only difference is it takes a couple more games to win in Leinster so more opportunity to lose somewhere along the line.

blowitupref

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Why not? I'm no fan of Brigid's but I doubt there are very many if any club sides in Leinster that would be able for Crossmaglen. The standard between Connacht and Leinster club football is not that different IMO. Only difference is it takes a couple more games to win in Leinster so more opportunity to lose somewhere along the line.

I'd also wonder why. The last two winners of the Leinster championship was won by Garrycastle,Ballymun two sides that won their first provincial crowns and i think St Brigids have proved their worth over the last 6 years or so.

Drummerboy2

I know it was only a challenge game but Ballymun did beat Crossmaglen in Navan back in September or thereabouts. It was a full blooded affair and the lads from Armagh didn't hold back in the physical stakes.

Syferus

Senan Kilbride named club player of the year. Fully deserved and a huge honour for any player to receive.

Only a week now..

Always_Running

Any score predictions? for me St. Brigid's 0-12 Ballymun Kickams 1-11

Tom Joad

Good idea - i'll go with Brigids 1-11 Ballymun 2-10.

Strongbow10

Tom Joad wrote: »

Good idea - i'll go with Brigids 1-11 Ballymun 2-10.

Brigids 0-10 Ballymun 1-12

Syferus

Brigid's team named:


Shane Curran

Gearoid Cunniffe
Peter Domican
Johnny Murray

Niall Grehan
Darragh Donnelly
Ronan Stack

Karol Mannion
Ian Kilbride

Damian Kelleher
Richard Blaine
Darren Dolan

Cathal McHugh
Senan Kilbride
Frankie Dolan


Johnny Murray comes in for Garvan Dolan, Damian Kelleher replaces Ger Aherne.

Strongbow10

Syferus wrote: »

Brigid's team named:


Shane Curran

Gearoid Cunniffe
Peter Domican
Johnny Murray

Niall Grehan
Darragh Donnelly
Ronan Stack

Karol Mannion
Ian Kilbride

Damian Kelleher
Richard Blaine
Darren Dolan

Cathal McHugh
Senan Kilbride
Frankie Dolan


Johnny Murray comes in for Garvan Dolan, Damian Kelleher replaces Ger Aherne.

Johnny Murray replaces Ahern and Kelleher for Garvan I think more like.

I don't like the look of the half forward line if im honest, I think its to combat the mobility of the Ballymun lads.

No doubt Garvan and Ger will get 20-30 mins of action along with one of the Sheehy's.

Syferus

Just echoing what was on the HS release, it's not an exact science because Ger and Killer started in the middle but Kilbride played mostly as a sweeper while Mango played in the middle with 11 on his back.

Eoin Sheehy had a fantastic performance after coming on at halftime the last day so he's unlucky miss out on a start.

RoscommonTom

Looking forward to this game, hopefully there will be a good gang up from ros. Im not a brigits man myself but now that he calfings finally out of the way ill go along to shout them on and have the day out. Would be great for ros football to have the win, hopefully they put up a good fight at least, if we get a decent support well have the jackeens running scared with all the noise :-) Forecast to be cold but not wet so will be nice not to get drenched wet up there for a change. Plenty of buses going for anyone wondering
Be careful of machinery or even live stock been taken from yards on monday seeing as therell be a lot of people gone up to the match. If youre travelling it might be worth asking your neighbours to keep an eye on things with the robberies that have been going on recently

Ando's Saggy Bottom

Any chance the weather will threaten these games? Snowing quite heavily in North Dublin atm.

Syferus

Not a chance.

Up the Brigids!

Jayob10

will this match be live on the TG4 website does anyone know?

nice_guy80

Jayob10 wrote: »

will this match be live on the TG4 website does anyone know?

TG4 games usually are carried live

Strongbow10

how many times in total have ros teams played in the club all ireland final?

Ive seen somewhere that ros teams have lost 7 straight club finals, I know Clann lost 4 in a row

but who are the others?

nice_guy80

Strongbow10 wrote: »

how many times in total have ros teams played in the club all ireland final?

Ive seen somewhere that ros teams have lost 7 straight club finals, I know Clann lost 4 in a row

but who are the others?

Roscommon Gaels lost one and Brigids lost one too

Syferus

Ros Gaels in 1976, Clann's first in 1982 and Brigid's in 2011.

manofwisdom

1976 Roscommon Gaels lost to St Vincents
1983 Clann na nGael lost to Portlaoise
1987 Clann na nGael lost to St. Finbarrs
1988 Clann na nGael lost to Burren
1989 Clann na nGael lost to Nemo Rangers
1990 Clann na nGael lost Baltinglass
2011 St Brigids lost to Crossmaglen

Bad losing streak for Roscommon clubs in All Ireland finals however i think St Brigids will end that streak today.

passremarkable

they keeping show mchale on sideline, where is mcstay

Dirty Dingus McGee

Ballymun 2-6 St Brigids 1-5

Cracking match so far, Brigids have cam back into it after their shaky start.What the hell was Peter Domican at for the first goal he just left Dean Rock for Shane Curran to deal with , terrible full back play, Karol Mannion has got a couple of great points for Brigids.James McCarthy and Alan Hubbard have been largely anonymous for Ballymun while frankie Dolan has had a quite game although his 45 was a lovely strike

Inspector Coptoor

All square.

Great reactions from Mannion there.