Changes to the team for France

Coburger

Hey, I know it's early days, but what changes would you make for the game against France.

Personally I'd stick with much the same team. I think it's a mental state which needs to be altered. Heaslip needs to take more of a captain's role rather than simply be captain.

The only one change I would make would be for Fitzgerald or McFadden to come in for Earls (poor decision making).

I'd stick with Jackson but have Madigan as sub. Sad to say but O'Gara's days are numbered.

Hagz

Madigan on the bench. I know it's a drum that's been banged on enough, but he really does deserve it.

CIARAN_BOYLE

McFadden on the basis that he is a better placekicker than Jackson

thomond2006

Kilcoyne, Best, Ross, DOC, Ryan, POM, SOB, Heaslip;
Murray, Jackson, McFadden*, Marshall, BOD, Gilroy, Kearney

Bench: Cronin, Court, Fitzpatrick, Toner, Henderson, P Marshall, Madigan, Earls/Fitzgerald

*McFadden as placekicker.

Quint2010

Kearney
Gilroy
BOD
Marshall
McFadden
Jackson
Murray
Court
Best
Ross
Toner
Ryan
Henderson
SOB
Heaslip

Subs:
Fitzgerald
Madigan
Boss
Kilcoyne
Cronin
Fitzpatrick
DOC
POM

thomond2006

POM was outstanding today, dunno why you'd drop him.

Podge_irl

If Jackson starts than another goal-kicker needs to start, and the only option is really McFadden. I'd put him on the wing, he's actually been in pretty good form this season. We definitely would lose something with him there, but its a necessity. My personal preference would be to start Madigan as I simply think he is currently a better player.

Quint2010

thomond2006 wrote: »

POM was outstanding today, dunno why you'd drop him.

I know it would be tough and he did play well I just think Henderson is a class player and we need to pick out biggest physical pack to face France plus we need Toner for line outs and restarts.

RoundBox11

If Kilcoyne starts our scrum will be absolutely mullered.

I'd have McFadden and Fitz on the wings and Madigan on the bench. Otherwise the same team really

Hype710

thomond2006 wrote: »

POM was outstanding today, dunno why you'd drop him.

1 line out take, 3 tackles (bringing his total to about 10 for the championship) and 8 carries for 4 metres with one penalty given away - which parts of the game was he outstanding?

irishbucsfan

Hype710 wrote: »

1 line out take, 3 tackles (bringing his total to about 10 for the championship) and 8 carries for 4 metres with one penalty given away - which parts of the game was he outstanding?

As before, his tireless work in the tight both offensively and defensively.

I've been a big critic of his on these boards but he's justified his place in the Ireland team in this championship. I would probably start Henry against France if he was fit, but he isn't.

thomond2006

Hype710 wrote: »

1 line out take, 3 tackles (bringing his total to about 10 for the championship) and 8 carries for 4 metres with one penalty given away - which parts of the game was he outstanding?

worked his ass off and made one crucial turnover.

Risteard

Kilcoyne
Best
Ross
Henderson
Ryan
POM
SOB
Heaslip
Murray
Madigan
Fitz
Marshall
BOD
Gilroy
Kearney

Court, Cronin, Fitzpatrick, DOC, Ruddock/Ryan/TOD, Reddan, PJ, Earls

maddness

thomond2006 wrote: »

POM was outstanding today, dunno why you'd drop him.

No one in green was outstanding today.

Kayless

Sexton will be back for the France game, I would start with Luke Fitz and Gilroy on the wings with Henderson in the second row and mads on the bench, hopefully Healy is able to play I thought we really missed him today.

seanm92

Kearney
Gilroy
BOD
McSharry (if fit)
Earls
Sexton
Reddan

Court
Best
Ross
McCarthy (if fit also)
Ryan
POM
O'Brien
Heaslip

tolosenc

Drop ROG for Maddog.
Drop Earls for McFadden

Fin.

petebricquette

seanm92 wrote: »

Kearney
Gilroy
BOD
McSharry (if fit)
Earls
Sexton
Reddan

Court
Best
Ross
McCarthy (if fit also)
Ryan
POM
O'Brien
Heaslip

Why McSharry? Marshall was probably one of our only players who actually played well.

sydthebeat

thomond2006 wrote: »

POM was outstanding today, dunno why you'd drop him.

Well he certainly wasn't outstanding at standing out.

He was pretty much nondescript actually.

[Jackass]

Is it really fair to start Jackson again?

I know Kidney has put himself and the player in an awful position, as expected, Jackson once again looked like a school kid playing a senior rugby international, can we really continue with Kidneys "I'll put them in the team because I like them, and I'll leave them there until they're good enough" attitude?

If we want to bring through youth, shouldn't we at least bring through the best young players?

I think Kidney is miles away from the best Irish team. Marshal showed what bringing through the best young players looks like, guys like Murray, Kilcoyne, Archer, O'Mahony and now Jackson have all shown what it's like to bring through players because of what province they're from (in Jacksons case - not Leinster). Now to be fair, guys like Murray and O'Mahony have improved enough that they can probably now warrant being in the squad, but certainly where no where near the level when they were first forced through at the expense of better players.

I'm amazed he didn't go with Keatley though, and probably only so as not to undermine the Munster management by picking Keatley ahead of ROG.

Jackson experiment has failed, as expected, the exact outcome as I predicted has come to pass, I even noted we dont have a goal kicker going into the game, and ultimately it's what cost us the game.

I think the team we should field, based on what's currently available:

1. Kilcoyne
2. Cronin
3. Ross
4. Ryan
5. Henderson
6. O'Mahony
7. O'Brien
8. Heaslip

9. Murray
10. Madigan
11. Fitzgerald
12. Marshall
13. O'Driscoll (capt)
14. Gilroy
15. R. Kearney

16. Best 17. Court 18. Fitzpatrick 19. O'Callaghan 20. Dom Ryan 21. Marshall 22. Keatley 23. McFadden

I think Fitzgerald should be given an opportunity to stake his claim. Nothing more. That jersey is still up for grabs, but Earls' continued inability and unwillingness to pass makes his otherwise superb breaks the equivalent to, at best, a 25 yard punt into touch, giving line out to opposition, at worst, a penalty and turnover to opposition 20 yards away when he gets isolated infield and holds on. His reason for not passing is because he can't. He needs to sort that out.

I'm tempted to go with Marshall (not the centre) at 9, but Murray is gradually being hauled up to an acceptable level and has learnt from his many, many awful games and stupid decisions it's taken to get him this far.

Best has lost his trump card that gets him first choice selection, his throwing. Cronin on the other hand has improved a lot with throwing, couldn't be much worse than Best at this rate, and is by far the best hooker in the loose in the country.

I like O'Callaghan a lot as a player, but I don't think he's a starter. There's no harder working player, but age has slowed him down, I'd like to see some other guys get a chance. Dropped Toner from squad. Very good Pro12 operator, but will never be an international standard player.

In a back-row of 6's, I'd put a 7 on the bench. Dominic Ryan, has been very impressive since back from injury, picking up where he left off. Along with Ruddock, who's come on extremely rapidly over the last year or so, both streets ahead of the likes of O'Donnell who will no doubt be the next to be selected and "forced through".

Madigan, after kicking superbly last night at Leinster v Scarlets, and making multiple breaks and completely turning the game around when he came on at half time must be wondering if that sloppy one night stand he had all those years ago was Kidneys wife or daughter, because he can do no more to be selected, in superb form from the boot and in play. Without question the second best 10 in the country. Keatley is the next best and benches. Paddy Jackson should be sent back to Ulster with an apology for putting him in this position. As his very own coach at Ulster Mark Anscomb said, "he's not ready for this."

MolBee

seanm92 wrote: »

Kearney
Gilroy
BOD
McSharry (if fit)
Earls
Sexton
Reddan

Court
Best
Ross
McCarthy (if fit also)
Ryan
POM
O'Brien
Heaslip

Would be a pretty bizarre decision to drop Marshall alright, considering he displayed more flair and potential than anyone else on the team, on his very first test match.

thomond2006

sydthebeat wrote: »

Well he certainly wasn't outstanding at standing out.

He was pretty much nondescript actually.

I thought he was everywhere.

If anything Henderson might be a better option at lock.

mfceiling

[Jackass] wrote: »

Is it really fair to start Jackson again?

I know Kidney has put himself and the player in an awful position, as expected, Jackson once again looked like a school kid playing a senior rugby international, can we really continue with Kidneys "I'll put them in the team because I like them, and I'll leave them there until they're good enough" attitude?

If we want to bring through youth, shouldn't we at least bring through the best young players?

I think Kidney is miles away from the best Irish team. Marshal showed what bringing through the best young players looks like, guys like Murray, Kilcoyne, Archer, O'Mahony and now Jackson have all shown what it's like to bring through players because of what province they're from (in Jacksons case - not Leinster). Now to be fair, guys like Murray and O'Mahony have improved enough that they can probably now warrant being in the squad, but certainly where no where near the level when they were first forced through at the expense of better players.

I'm amazed he didn't go with Keatley though, and probably only so as not to undermine the Munster management by picking Keatley ahead of ROG.

Jackson experiment has failed, as expected, the exact outcome as I predicted has come to pass, I even noted we dont have a goal kicker going into the game, and ultimately it's what cost us the game.

I think the team we should field, based on what's currently available:

1. Kilcoyne
2. Cronin
3. Ross
4. Ryan
5. Henderson
6. O'Mahony
7. O'Brien
8. Heaslip

9. Murray
10. Madigan
11. Fitzgerald
12. Marshall
13. O'Driscoll (capt)
14. Gilroy
15. R. Kearney

16. Best 17. Court 18. Fitzpatrick 19. O'Callaghan 20. Marshall 21. Keatley 22. McFadden

I think Fitzgerald should be given an opportunity to stake his claim. Nothing more. That jersey is still up for grabs, but Earls' continued inability and unwillingness to pass makes his otherwise superb breaks the equivalent to, at best, a 25 yard punt into touch, giving line out to opposition, at worst, a penalty and turnover to opposition 20 yards away when he gets isolated infield and holds on. His reason for not passing is because he can't. He needs to sort that out.

I'm tempted to go with Marshall (not the centre) at 9, but Murray is gradually being hauled up to an acceptable level and has learnt from his many, many awful games and stupid decisions it's taken to get him this far.

Best has lost his trump card that gets him first choice selection, his throwing. Cronin on the other hand has improved a lot with throwing, couldn't be much worse than Best at this rate, and is by far the best hooker in the loose in the country.

I like O'Callaghan a lot as a player, but I don't think he's a starter. There's no harder working player, but age has slowed him down, I'd like to see some other guys get a chance. Dropped Toner from squad. Very good Pro12 operator, but will never be an international standard player.

Madigan, after kicking superbly last night at Leinster v Scarlets, and making multiple breaks and completely turning the game around when he came on at half time must be wondering if that sloppy one night stand he had all those years ago was Kidneys wife or daughter, because he can do no more to be selected, in superb form from the boot and in play. Without question the second best 10 in the country. Keatley is the next best and benches. Paddy Jackson should be sent back to Ulster with an apology for putting him in this position. As his very own coach at Ulster Mark Anscomb said, "he's not ready for this."

You're able to tell this after one game?

His place kicking was poor but he hasn't been place kicking in 9 weeks so in kidneys mind it was best to give him place kicking duties on top of his 6 nations debut.

What else did he do poorly?

jamiedav2011

[Jackass] wrote: »

Madigan, after kicking superbly last night at Leinster v Scarlets, and making multiple breaks and completely turning the game around when he came on at half time must be wondering if that sloppy one night stand he had all those years ago was Kidneys wife or daughter, because he can do no more to be selected, in superb form from the boot and in play. Without question the second best 10 in the country. Keatley is the next best and benches. Paddy Jackson should be sent back to Ulster with an apology for putting him in this position. As his very own coach at Ulster Mark Anscomb said, "he's not ready for this."

Didn't read much of that post tbh because I know what it contains, but that just isn't remotely true.

Does it really matter its all window dressing at this stage.

thomond2006

Borders no.2 wrote: »

Does it really matter its all window dressing at this stage.

Sadly you're probably right.

[Jackass]

mfceiling wrote: »

You're able to tell this after one game?

His place kicking was poor but he hasn't been place kicking in 9 weeks so in kidneys mind it was best to give him place kicking duties on top of his 6 nations debut.

What else did he do poorly?

I was able to tell you that before one game. It's not a question of "what did he do poorly", like we should judge players on how many mess ups they made, they should be judged on, "what did he do at all?" and all he did was miss his kicks and miss a touch finder from a penalty on which the game turned.

What could and probably would Madigan have done? Made his kicks, not forced his team to go for the corner every time as they have no faith in their kicker and create opportunities through his far superior individual skill set.

[Jackass]

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

Didn't read much of that post tbh because I know what it contains, but that just isn't remotely true.

Did he miss a shot at goal all night? I don't recall, I know he made a few from the touchline anyway, which is a lot more than can be said for Jackson....

seanm92

petebricquette wrote: »

Why McSharry? Marshall was probably one of our only players who actually played well.

Its just a personal preference really, I've watched both this season and I feel that while they've both played well I think McSharry would offer something which we havn't seen in an Irish team for the past while, hes adirect runner and has been running superb lines for Connacht all season and always looks to be going forward, hes a 12 more in the Barritt mould as against Marshall who I see as more similar to darcy/wallace. I agree that Marshall was one of our better players today though, but I think it was a mistake to play 2 debutants at 10 and 12 and it would be interesting to see him outside sexton.

petebricquette

seanm92 wrote: »

Its just a personal preference really, I've watched both this season and I feel that while they've both played well I think McSharry would offer something which we havn't seen in an Irish team for the past while, hes adirect runner and has been running superb lines for Connacht all season and always looks to be going forward, hes a 12 more in the Barritt mould as against Marshall who I see as more similar to darcy/wallace. I agree that Marshall was one of our better players today though, but I think it was a mistake to play 2 debutants at 10 and 12 and it would be interesting to see him outside sexton.

Fair enough I just think Marshall has a bit of an edge handling-wise. He might also be a tiny bit quicker but it's probably a negligible difference. Agree to disagree I suppose.

I think Jackson has to be kept in the team -assuming Sexton's still out- but Madigan definitely brought onto the bench. McFadden over Earls (back-up kicker) and Fitz on the bench again.

Annabella1

Sorry Jackson has to be dropped awful kicking out of hand and from the tee
Distribution only average behind totally dominant pack and 75% possession
Madigan and Keatley are better..

sydthebeat

Annabella1 wrote: »

Sorry Jackson has to be dropped awful kicking out of hand and from the tee
Distribution only average behind totally dominant pack and 75% possession
Madigan and Keatley are better..

its not going to happen. The only was Jackson wont start against france is if Sexton is fit.... even if, he will be on the bench.

DK will be lambasted if he drops a 21 yo, that he promoted, completely from the starting 23. A move like that could ruin a guy for years.

jamiedav2011

[Jackass] wrote: »

Did he miss a shot at goal all night? I don't recall, I know he made a few from the touchline anyway, which is a lot more than can be said for Jackson....

He did, missed a very easy one from in front, and missed touch twice from penalties which seems to be a constant thing.

Tox56

Madigan has to be involved somewhere. We can't win the Championship, so give him the experience. It looks like he'll be first choice at Leinster next season, and although it's strange to say Ireland should prepare him for that, it's in their interests that he has a big season next year. Some international exposure would be great for him, and that's before you consider his form and solid kicking (from the tee).

[Jackass]

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

He did, missed a very easy one from in front, and missed touch twice from penalties which seems to be a constant thing.

Well, he scored 3 from 4 off the tee (iirc), two of which were right on the touch line, and is over 80% success rate for Leinster, I'll have to watch again, I didn't see him miss touch, but I was in the terrace where the view is crap and he's done it before so I assume you're right, even still, Jackson has a return in the 60%'s for Ulster, is dropped as first choice kicker, he wasn't even the best 10 for the U20's, JJ Hanrahan was better when Jackson was injured, and Madigan is a far superior player, reason enough to start him ahead of Jackson, who will meet minimum requirements of shovelling the ball on when he gets it and kick the ball into touch on occasion and make his tackles, but he is spectacularly unspectacular even on his better days.

It's nothing against the lad, I just think he's been thrown into a position he should never have been thrown in to, and the results were as one would expect from a decent (not amazing) young player being thrown into international rugby without even a full season of senior rugby under his belt.

Quint2010

Whatever happens-Henderson must start against France. I would play him at 6 personally as I think we need top notch athleticism at 2, 4 and 6 in the line out plus we need to pick our most physical pack against France. Henderson is also a very mobile ball carrier and always gets over the gain line. It would be tough on POM but just think we need out biggest heaviest pack against France.

gally74

Kearney has been poor as well in all 3 games, I'd give he Shaw a run

GerM

POM was far from outstanding. He faded into the background. His work in the tight was average which I've no issue with as it was never his strength. He's utilised as a ball carrier in wider channels generally but was anonymous with the ball in hand when we had 70%+ possession. He wasn't the presence in the line out that he is capable of. He made the same number of tackles a badly positioned referee makes in 80 minutes.

If my blindside isn't making tackles or carrying in the loose and isn't a powerhouse that wrestles the game in the tight, he's not having a good game, folks.

Poulgorm

Drop Heaslip. Or at least remove the captaincy from him.

jamiedav2011

[Jackass] wrote: »

Well, he scored 3 from 4 off the tee (iirc), two of which were right on the touch line, and is over 80% success rate for Leinster, I'll have to watch again, I didn't see him miss touch, but I was in the terrace where the view is crap and he's done it before so I assume you're right, even still, Jackson has a return in the 60%'s for Ulster, is dropped as first choice kicker, he wasn't even the best 10 for the U20's, JJ Hanrahan was better when Jackson was injured, and Madigan is a far superior player, reason enough to start him ahead of Jackson, who will meet minimum requirements of shovelling the ball on when he gets it and kick the ball into touch on occasion and make his tackles, but he is spectacularly unspectacular even on his better days.

It's nothing against the lad, I just think he's been thrown into a position he should never have been thrown in to, and the results were as one would expect from a decent (not amazing) young player being thrown into international rugby without even a full season of senior rugby under his belt.

Jackson's Rabo return is something like 74% according to stats during the week. I'm not getting into this, your thoughts on Jackson and others are well established. Madigan isn far from some sort of demi God to come in though and this stuff about 'I told you so' is pure ignorance.

thomond2006

Poulgorm wrote: »

Drop Heaslip. Or at least remove the captaincy from him.

For who and for who?

I'm sick of posters saying "Drop X". At least say who you want there instead...

Quint2010

gally74 wrote: »

Kearney has been poor as well in all 3 games, I'd give he Shaw a run

Henshaw? Not sure Kearney has been quite so poor as to be dropped but certainly he is a step down if not two from last years form.

jacothelad

Quint2010 wrote: »

Henshaw? Not sure Kearney has been quite so poor as to be dropped but certainly he is a step down if not two from last years form.

Kearney has been ineffectual. Opponents don't hoof the ball to him often and when they do he charges forwards, doesn't pass, throws himself into two or three opponents, hangs on to the ball and invariably a penalty ensues. Irrespective of what he can do, if he's not doing it someone needs to have a word in his ear.

tolosenc

Quint2010 wrote: »

Henshaw? Not sure Kearney has been quite so poor as to be dropped but certainly he is a step down if not two from last years form.

I don't see how a full back can be poor in a game where his team has over 80% posession. There was nothing for him to do poorly!

Swiwi

Coburger wrote: »

Hey, I know it's early days, but what changes would you make for the game against France.

Personally I'd stick with much the same team. I think it's a mental state which needs to be altered. Heaslip needs to take more of a captain's role rather than simply be captain.

The only one change I would make would be for Fitzgerald or McFadden to come in for Earls (poor decision making).

I'd stick with Jackson but have Madigan as sub. Sad to say but O'Gara's days are numbered.

You can't go into an international match with a dubious goalkicker. So either continue with jackson and add mcfadden in place of earls, or bring in Madigan or Keatley for Jackson (and Fitz instead of earls).

Wouldn't start court again.

Otherwise, you have to trust the players, and hope the execution is better.

Quint2010

tolosenc wrote: »

I don't see how a full back can be poor in a game where his team has over 80% posession. There was nothing for him to do poorly!

Kearney was party to perhaps the pivotal moment in the match-when Jackson missed touch and they kicked back and then Kearney charged into contact, got emptied and we conceded a penalty. Thats whole play, as much as anything, cost us the match. The little bit he had to do today he did poorly.

[Jackass]

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

Jackson's Rabo return is something like 74% according to stats during the week. I'm not getting into this, your thoughts on Jackson and others are well established. Madigan isn far from some sort of demi God to come in though and this stuff about 'I told you so' is pure ignorance.

Sorry, you're correct, mid 70's, still completely unacceptable for a first choice international kicker, and the weakest of all the 10's available. So what does he bring that's so good that it compensates for his poor kicking?

I must have missed all his spectacular games and the highlights have never been on youtube, because for me, he's a good young player, nothing more. Certainly not the demi God Kidney and some others on here seem to think (prior to the game) he would be.

I don't proclaim Madigan to be a demi God, just the best option available who is being ignored. And not only the best option, but the blindingly obvious best option for anyone who's watched any rugby over the last couple of years.

And if you're sick of me saying "I told you so" and making all of these calls correct, then I suggest you stop reading, because I predicted the exact type of performance before the game and as I've said before, I can't see what people see in the kid...

Maybe I should link back to a few months ago when I said Madigan is a better prospect than Jackson and all the lampooning that went on. I wonder would those posters be as vocal now, having seen Jackson play a bit more, about his assesnt to be the next Dan Carter.

I don't see how constantly arguing my point, because of people like you so vemently disagreeing with it, and then pointing it out when I'm proven right (as you seem so sick of seeing) to back up my point is being "ignorant". It's not even used in a correct context.

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Thus I would suggest you are the one who's ignorant if you think Paddy Jackson should be in an arses roar of the Irish team...

Swiwi

GerM wrote: »

POM was far from outstanding. He faded into the background. His work in the tight was average which I've no issue with as it was never his strength. He's utilised as a ball carrier in wider channels generally but was anonymous with the ball in hand when we had 70%+ possession. He wasn't the presence in the line out that he is capable of. He made the same number of tackles a badly positioned referee makes in 80 minutes.

If my blindside isn't making tackles or carrying in the loose and isn't a powerhouse that wrestles the game in the tight, he's not having a good game, folks.

Yeah, maybe give Henderson a go. I haven't been wowed by Henry in his 6N appearances to date, but I know he's been playing well for Ulster. In saying that, POM was pretty good in the first 2 games, so I wouldn't single him out for special attention. At the end of the day, if Jackson had brought his kicking boots, and Earls knew how to draw & pass it would have been a comfortable victory for Ireland.

The other option is SOB to 6, but then who plays 7? Hmmm.

Tox56

jacothelad wrote: »

Kearney has been ineffectual. Opponents don't hoof the ball to him often and when they do he charges forwards, doesn't pass, throws himself into two or three opponents, hangs on to the ball and invariably a penalty ensues. Irrespective of what he can do, if he's not doing it someone needs to have a word in his ear.

Think he's trying to force it, he's done what you described a few times now since coming back from injury. Almost seems relucant to play to his strengths when counterattacking and send up few up and unders to chase.

Maybe he doesn't want to be seen as a one trick pony or something, but it's very hard to see why isnt doing this more regularly when is such an incredible catcher of a ball. Seems like a pretty simple fix

jamiedav2011

[Jackass] wrote: »

Sorry, you're correct, mid 70's, still completely unacceptable for a first choice international kicker, and the weakest of all the 10's available. So what does he bring that's so good that it compensates for his poor kicking?

I must have missed all his spectacular games and the highlights have never been on youtube, because for me, he's a good young player, nothing more. Certainly not the demi God Kidney and some others on here seem to think (prior to the game) he would be.

I don't proclaim Madigan to be a demi God, just the best option available who is being ignored. And not only the best option, but the blindingly obvious best option for anyone who's watched any rugby over the last couple of years.

And if you're sick of me saying "I told you so" and making all of these calls correct, then I suggest you stop reading, because I predicted the exact type of performance before the game and as I've said before, I can't see what people see in the kid...

Maybe I should link back to a few months ago when I said Madigan is a better prospect than Jackson and all the lampooning that went on. I wonder would those posters be as vocal now, having seen Jackson play a bit more, about his assesnt to be the next Dan Carter.

I don't see how constantly arguing my point, because of people like you so vemently disagreeing with it, and then pointing it out when I'm proven right (as you seem so sick of seeing) to back up my point is being "ignorant". It's not even used in a correct context.

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Thus I would suggest you are the one who's ignorant if you think Paddy Jackson should be in an arses roar of the Irish team...

You fail to see that Madigan has serious flaws to his game, which you would see if you'd have 'watched any rugby over the last couple of years'. YouTube highlights of great tries in Rabo games are indicators of international standard?

The fact remains that Madigan has started one HEC game at 10, but I've had enough. Continue to blow hard good sir, isn't it great to have someone who can make all these correct calls and have the good grace to remind us of it!

The conclusive evidence of one game (Jackson actually played well today btw) is obviously enough for you.

TopOfTheRight

I think Earls has to go to the bench, whomever gets picked at 11 depends on the outhalf imo. Resst of the team to stay the same.
I'd stick with Paddy anyway, Ferg to kick - ROG out of the 23 goes without saying

Either

10. Jackson
11. McFadden

or

10. Madigan
11. Fitzgerald


23. Earls