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Lighter, leaner, faster

  • 22-02-2013 5:14pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭


    Hi all, a bit of backround on me, I am a 33 year old female currently training for my second marathon in June. I am 5ft 7 and weigh about 10st, not overly heavy for my height, but probably a few pounds heavier than I was this time last year and I would be carrying a bit of extra body fat. I think I am one of the few people who actually put on weight while training for my last marathon! I find running makes me hungry and I have a tendancy to use running as a carte blanche to eat whatever I want, sort of along the lines of “ah sure I’ve run X miles today, I’ll reward myself with a Chinese takeaway, 3 beers and a bar of chocolate!”

    So have been doing some research and it seems losing a little weight can have a positive effect on your marathon time. Plus less weight pounding on the ankles and knees can only be a good thing! So with that in mind, I would like to lose 7-10 lbs in the next 14 weeks (marathon time). I want to do this in a healthy way, as I need to have enough energy to run from 10-20 miles.

    My current eating would be a bowl of porridge for breakfast, couple of biscuits for elevenses, sandwich and an apple for lunch, banana before a run and then a standard meat and potatoes dinner. I have a very sweet tooth and normally find myself reaching for sweets or biscuits after dinner.

    So I know what I need to do to lose weight, I need to cut the crap and eat healthy, but can anyone give me specific advice on good foods I should be eating to maximise my energy levels and my running while still losing ½-1lb per week?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,708 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Runners are usually advised not to drastically change a diet before a race, but 14 weeks out is grand. In fact it is perfect if you have the discipline.

    IMO, you should change to a low carb, high fat diet. There are pros and cons to this, but for long distance running, it is, IMO, the perfect diet. I recall a discussion in the Athletics / Running forum, but can't seem to find it right now.

    Basically, the theory behind this is, in paraphrased layman terms, is as follows: Carbs are an easy source of fuel for exercise, but your body can only store a limited amount. Fat is a not-so-easy source of energy, but your body has near unlimited amounts stored. Your body, with your current diet, will always utilise the carb stores in your diet and any sugar cravings you have after a run will be because those stores are depleted. If you switch your diet to low carb and high fat, you will be training your body to synthesize the energy needed for exercise and day-to-day living through your fat stores (further reading: Ketosis).

    I would advise you to spend some time reading the stickies here. Basically, try to eat unprocessed meat, veg, fruit, eggs and dairy. For your veg, the above-ground variety are more fibrous and less carb-heavy, but don't let that restrict you too much. Try keeping grains to a minimum as they are a big source of carbs, so choose between your porridge or your sandwich (lose the bread IMO). And don't be afraid of healthy fats!

    I didn't offer any eating plan. I don't know you or what your habits are, but going by your current diet, you could easily be perplexed as to how to change your diet so drastically. So feel free to rip my post apart and ask anything. FYI, I ran the DCM last year and lost a belly while training :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Sephya


    Runners are usually advised not to drastically change a diet before a race, but 14 weeks out is grand. In fact it is perfect if you have the discipline.

    IMO, you should change to a low carb, high fat diet. There are pros and cons to this, but for long distance running, it is, IMO, the perfect diet. I recall a discussion in the Athletics / Running forum, but can't seem to find it right now.

    Basically, the theory behind this is, in paraphrased layman terms, is as follows: Carbs are an easy source of fuel for exercise, but your body can only store a limited amount. Fat is a not-so-easy source of energy, but your body has near unlimited amounts stored. Your body, with your current diet, will always utilise the carb stores in your diet and any sugar cravings you have after a run will be because those stores are depleted. If you switch your diet to low carb and high fat, you will be training your body to synthesize the energy needed for exercise and day-to-day living through your fat stores (further reading: Ketosis).

    I would advise you to spend some time reading the stickies here. Basically, try to eat unprocessed meat, veg, fruit, eggs and dairy. For your veg, the above-ground variety are more fibrous and less carb-heavy, but don't let that restrict you too much. Try keeping grains to a minimum as they are a big source of carbs, so choose between your porridge or your sandwich (lose the bread IMO). And don't be afraid of healthy fats!

    I didn't offer any eating plan. I don't know you or what your habits are, but going by your current diet, you could easily be perplexed as to how to change your diet so drastically. So feel free to rip my post apart and ask anything. FYI, I ran the DCM last year and lost a belly while training :)

    if you're an endurance athlete and you eat a low-carb high-fat diet then your performance will be in the toilet. the notion that you can be a successful marathon runner in ketosis is hilarious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,708 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Sephya wrote: »
    if you're an endurance athlete and you eat a low-carb high-fat diet then your performance will be in the toilet. the notion that you can be a successful marathon runner in ketosis is hilarious.

    Hilarious? Please explain, as it worked pretty well for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Sephya


    Hilarious? Please explain, as it worked pretty well for me.

    where did you place and what time did you run? no successful long distance endurance athletes are low-carb.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,708 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Sephya wrote: »
    where did you place and what time did you run? no successful long distance endurance athletes are low-carb.

    Successful? OP never mentioned that she was hoping for an Olympic qualifying time. She is looking to lose some weight while training for her second marathon, which is what my advice was for. Besides, a quick google shows an ultra marathon

    I don't see how my performance is relevant, but here is my post from after the DCM. My time was due completely to injuries and not energy levels as a result of diet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Sephya


    Successful? OP never mentioned that she was hoping for an Olympic qualifying time. She is looking to lose some weight while training for her second marathon, which is what my advice was for.

    the OP mentioned losing weight would have an impact on her marathon times so i assume she wants to do as well as she can. you said:

    There are pros and cons to this, but for long distance running, it is, IMO, the perfect diet.

    which is complete crap.


    Besides, a quick google shows an ultra marathon
    INTERVIEWER: Why didn’t he need much? And what DID he eat?


    STEVE PHINNEY: I wouldn’t tell you the details even if I knew because it’s confidential research information. And I don’t think he’d want any of the details of what he’s doing to be public, because, realize, all of a sudden this guy knows absolutely that he’s got a remarkable competitive edge.

    well... sure... and i once flew - just won't show you how... but I DID IT!

    its a cool story and would be ever better if there was proof. Anyone can call themselves anything but when the rubber meets the road it comes down to what you eat and they don't say what this record breaking "low carber" eats. when someone wins a race without carb loading or taking carbs during the race I'll be impressed.


    I don't see how my performance is relevant, but here is my post from after the DCM. My time was due completely to injuries and not energy levels as a result of diet.

    if you're going to make an extraordinary claim then you need extraordinary evidence. especially as you said

    Hilarious? Please explain, as it worked pretty well for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,708 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    There are pros and cons to this, but for long distance running, it is, IMO, the perfect diet.
    Sephya wrote:
    which is complete crap.
    Note the bolded parts. Not complete crap. There are pros and cons, and it is my opinion.

    FYI, the OP is only doing her 2nd marathon. She put on weight while training for her 1st marathon, and asked for advice on how to lose weight while training for her 2nd. I offered her advice on what diet to use while training to help lose weight, along with my theory behind it. I didn't offer any advice for marathon day, nor did I offer any advice that would help her break the speed of light. I never claimed to be an expert on sports nutrition, nor am I a professional athlete.

    Sephya, I am not here to prove anything. The OP asked for advice, and I offered advice based on both my own experiences and advice others have given me. I never smade any claims about how carbs in a diet can adversely affect a marathon performance. All you have done is come in here and nitpick at the advice that I have offered without anything worthwhile to contribute yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Sephya


    Note the bolded parts. Not complete crap. There are pros and cons, and it is my opinion.

    you said in your opinion low carb for marathons is the perfect diet. i'm telling you that that is rubbish.
    FYI, the OP is only doing her 2nd marathon. She put on weight while training for her 1st marathon, and asked for advice on how to lose weight while training for her 2nd. I offered her advice on what diet to use while training to help lose weight, along with my theory behind it. I didn't offer any advice for marathon day, nor did I offer any advice that would help her break the speed of light. I never claimed to be an expert on sports nutrition, nor am I a professional athlete.


    Sephya, I am not here to prove anything. The OP asked for advice, and I offered advice based on both my own experiences and advice others have given me. I never smade any claims about how carbs in a diet can adversely affect a marathon performance. All you have done is come in here and nitpick at the advice that I have offered without anything worthwhile to contribute yourself.

    fat burns in a carbohydrate flame. i dont know why you have to use such hyperbole. i never said anything about breaking the speed of light. i have merely criticized your advice which is incorrect for an endurance athlete.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭wicklaman83


    Sephya wrote: »

    you said in your opinion low carb for marathons is the perfect diet. i'm telling you that that is rubbish.



    fat burns in a carbohydrate flame. i dont know why you have to use such hyperbole. i never said anything about breaking the speed of light. i have merely criticized your advice which is incorrect for an endurance athlete.
    So basically you've took part in this thread to ridicule some advice that the op asked for.

    Instead of been an arshole why dont you just give your advice and let the op decide


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Sara2002


    Couldn't have put it better myself.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Runners (like most people) often overestimate how many carbs they need in their diet.
    There is a lot of advantages to to a Marathon runner on doing some runs in a low carb state to teach the body to burn fat. But that said the most efficient fuel for a fast marathon is carbs (you survive solely on glycogen for 20/26.2 miles) and if you are doing speed sessions and long runs you need to have sufficient carbs to get you through the training and increase your fitness/speed/Endurance.

    So Basically Low Carb- No. Less carbs- Probably yes.

    Getting lighter will not necessarily make you any faster btw. I have reduced my marathon time by over an hour in the last 3 years without losing a pound. In fact I was probably a good few pounds heavier in my latest (fastest) marathon than in my first (slowest). OP you sound like you are at a healthy weight and probably don't need to lose any....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 SudyAJ


    I'm training for a couple of marathon's this year and hoping to go for an Ultra next year and nutrition has been bit of a torn in my side,i think any one that take's on an endurance sport really need's to be careful and well informed on their diet or you could really hurt yourself,i'v been unfortunate enough to have my blood sugar's plummet on a long training run and suffered so bad that had to be rescued :( all because i played dumb on my diet for that week and i can tell you it's the worst feeling you can get and than recovery took twice as long for me.
    I done a bit of research after that nasty experience and picked a book up from Amazon "Nutrition For Marathon Running" by Jane Griffin and found it really informative it cover's pretty much everything you need to know and actually has a section on female runner's and what we may need that differ from male runner's.Hope that help's.
    Good luck with the training :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭ncmc


    Sorry, I forgot to come back to this thread earlier, thanks for all the replies. SudyAJ, many thanks for the recommendation of that book, I shall certainly look into that. Best of luck with your training… an Ultra…. Wow, I have great respect to anyone who attempts one, 26.2 miles is quite long enough for me thanks!

    MD1990, thanks for that link, I think that’s my big problem, I eat lots of carbs and they’re also the wrong carbs, white bread, white pasta, white rice, you get the picture!

    I think a lot of my problem is planning, I don’t really plan what I’m going to eat after my runs, then I come in and eat whatever rubbish I have in the house and I’m starving all day. I need to plan filling, healthy food that’s easy on the stomach for post runs


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