How to Build a FLYING SAUCER

Agent Mug

It seem like in the mid Fifties the American Air FORCE was building their very own FLYING SAUCER, now I wonder where they got that idea from. Roswell.

Recently declassified records from the Aeronautical Systems Division, USAF (RG 342 – Records of United States Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations) reveal some surprising, perhaps never-before-seen images:

Aero Sys Div, 1969 (RG 342 UD-UP 138; NND 63253; Boxes 35 and 58)

http://blogs.archives.gov/ndc/?p=426

Jonny7

The Russians also tried their hand at a few dodgy prototype's

http://vimeo.com/1119275
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Oruen8Zt7_c

Torakx

I still am steering towards the idea, this is all just a ploy to get people believing aliens exist.
Either to hide their military plans and projects and/or to bring in a new percieved higher power to replace God, as so many are more and more becoming Athiest/Agnostic.

Tzar Chasm

torax, I think people have to seperate the notion of the existance of aliens, which on the cosmic scale of things is fairly likely, with the idea that aliens have been interfering in the affairs of the planet

Agent Mug

It's where they got the idea from that I'm interested in

Jonny7

I'd say from the same source.. the 1950's obsession with flying saucers and UFO's (and obviously beyond the 50's)

From a commercial point of view, the interest, and from a military point of view it's use as some sort of fear weapon I would imagine.

Agent Mug

Torakx wrote: »

I still am steering towards the idea, this is all just a ploy to get people believing aliens exist.
Either to hide their military plans and projects and/or to bring in a new percieved higher power to replace God, as so many are more and more becoming Athiest/Agnostic.

Ya you could be right but this was way back in the fifties, if they where working on one then it only make sense that they have succeeded by now

Tzar Chasm

have you read anything about the flying bell, apparently its something the germans developed during the war

Agent Mug

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

have you read anything about the flying bell, apparently its something the germans developed during the war

Ya and after the war where did those scientist go, Soviet Union and America, the Berlin Wall.

See you all tomorrow

Torakx

Maybe they got the idea from Egyptian carvings and Mayan carvings back in the late 1800's to early 1900's.
I remember from researching religions that it was around 1900 that some start up religions were created on the basis of general Egyptology.
I would imagine it was possible the military may have beaten them to it or some other anthropologists of some kind.
A far stretch, but the history channel is using that same idea now(afaik) and those carvings are pretty old.

Tzar Chasm: I do agree, its very likely their is some form of alien life out there.Maybe even human if our dna or whatever came in on asteroids of meteors and was form a similar type of galactical enviornment, if any of that makes sense lol

I think its being played on for nefarious reasons and see no reason to think with any certainty alien life is nearby.

Yeah Agentmug, I do agree that is very likely.
Look at some of those guys working on projects in their garages and workshops, getting raided.Or so I have been lead to believe.
I reckon its the only logical answer.
The Nazi Bell may have been an experiment based off the Egyptian carvings.Wasnt Hitler interested in that stuff?

Or as mentioned earlier a scare tactic or propoganda.Look we have the longest range missile AND a "UFO" style Aircraft/Gravity craft?

Tzar Chasm

himmler was the one into all the occult stuff

from whst I understand of paperclip the ussr got the air frames and the usa got the engines

hooradiation

Agent Mug wrote: »

Ya you could be right but this was way back in the fifties, if they where working on one then it only make sense that they have succeeded by now

Well... not really. firstly it assumes they kept working on it.
If i started something in the fifties, then abandoned it, it doesn't make sense that it would, by virtue of the passage of time, be completed now.

But even if they did continue their work, it doesn't mean that the project would be finished by now. Effort does not equal worth - you could easily waste sixty plus years on something if the original idea was bad and you were too stubborn to accept that.

For example: people who keep insisting they can build free energy machines.

Cookie_Monster

quad copters make flying saucers an easy possibility these day, just requiring some silly bodywork around the main body and blade of the machine. Even if only models for the average person the concept is easy to scale up.

Torakx

hooradiation wrote: »

Well... not really. firstly it assumes they kept working on it.
If i started something in the fifties, then abandoned it, it doesn't make sense that it would, by virtue of the passage of time, be completed now.

But even if they did continue their work, it doesn't mean that the project would be finished by now. Effort does not equal worth - you could easily waste sixty plus years on something if the original idea was bad and you were too stubborn to accept that.

For example: people who keep insisting they can build free energy machines.

Do you mean free energy or self perpetuating?

hooradiation

Torakx wrote: »

Do you mean free energy or self perpetuating?

Both. Either.

The first Law of thermodynamics is a cruel mistress.
The second law is just as bad.

Torakx

Il be the first to admit im no scientist and have not much knowledge of physics.
I thought there was a self perpetuaating machine showcased in Australia about 2 years ago or so.
I used to be into researchign thatstuff like that and kknew all the terms etc.Cant even rmemeber anything on it now
But it seemed possible at least.

Sorry,I type too fast and like im dyslexic(maybe I am slightly) my keyboard is a ditz lol for a start the spacebar is broken
And no I wont be returning it! haha

Agent Mug

hooradiation wrote: »

Well... not really. firstly it assumes they kept working on it.
If i started something in the fifties, then abandoned it, it doesn't make sense that it would, by virtue of the passage of time, be completed now.

But even if they did continue their work, it doesn't mean that the project would be finished by now. Effort does not equal worth - you could easily waste sixty plus years on something if the original idea was bad and you were too stubborn to accept that.

For example: people who keep insisting they can build free energy machines.

To me it's pretty obvious that they kept working on this idea and other ideas that they got from it, taken into consideration the technology that they have today, it seem to me that they had two separate groups of people that where experts in this area of technology, give them everything they needed and let them get on with it, and after a few years they pick the best that they needed and said goodbye to the rest, and sixty plus years later.

And that's just the technology that we know they have, as for the Flying Saucer, the technology of today is far more advance than it was sixty plus years ago, so yea, get the right people together and anything is possible, even free energy machines.

Here's a link that I think explains it all.

http://greyfalcon.us/restored/Project%20Silver%20Bug.htm

Aquarius34

Torakx wrote: »

I still am steering towards the idea, this is all just a ploy to get people believing aliens exist.
Either to hide their military plans and projects and/or to bring in a new percieved higher power to replace God, as so many are more and more becoming Athiest/Agnostic.

Some of it is, and some of it is not. A lot of the technology the US and Russians used in the 50s are in fact alien technology given to the governments in trade and deals back then. It's business as usual

Torakx

That what they want you to think
The word i was looking for earlier(in relation to energy) was over-unity.
Just came to me now for some reason.

Aquarius34

Torakx wrote: »

That what they want you to think
The word i was looking for earlier(in relation to energy) was over-unity.
Just came to me now for some reason.

It's not a secret E.Ts visit here and it's nothing new to the elite. E.T visitation escalated around and after the second world war. If you look back that's when our advances in technology exploded.

Agent Mug

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Some of it is, and some of it is not. A lot of the technology the US and Russians used in the 50s are in fact alien technology given to the governments in trade and deals back then. It's business as usual

You could be right, but the idea that aliens would trade their technology with us at that time, what could we give them in return.

Whats your view on the Roswell UFO incident, that could be the reason for the slowness in human understanding of Alien technology.

Wibbs

A lot of oddball designs sprang up during world war two, particularly on the German side. Rocket planes, rockets, jet planes, helicopters(and not just the type we think of today), flying wings another. After the war the allies(and others) data mined what was left of the German aero industry and ran with and expanded on many of the ideas. Flying wings to more saucer shapes as a lifting surface is not such a leap. Indeed the Vaught flying "wing" was just such a leap.

Whether they continued on with that shape in secret(like they did with the flying wing) is the question. I'd not be surprised if they did. I'd also reckon a fair number of the flying saucer reports were flying wing prototypes. EG

Here's the wartime German design(mocked up full size recently)

And the top secret for ages flying wing that brings us up to today

Well, when I say today...the above B2 Bomber has it's origins in experimental platforms of the 1970's and was being built in the 1980's. Who knows what black projects have been on the table and in the air since then.

Agent Mug

Yea I agree Wibbs, just to add to your post the shape that they where looking for was to get the maximum speed out of their aircraft's which as we all know they have succeeded, and will continue to progress in that and many other areas of technology even space travel, but the question still has to be ask where did they get their ideas from, or maybe I should rephrase the question so bear with me and I shall ramble on a bit more.

The turning point in Human intelligence's had to be in the last century, before then Human intelligence's was moving along at a slow pace but at the same time making progress, and then just before the second world war and especially after it Human intelligence's took of at a rapid speed and is showing no sign of slowing down, technology is improving for the better every year in fact technology seem to be educating itself at a rate of speed that is increasing every year.

Now I'm not complaining it great to see it happening in all area of life but what was it that kick started it and why, was it some kind of Alien technology, I know to some that might sound ridiculous but for thousands of years Human intelligence's was moving along at a slow pace but at the same time making progress, and now within a hundred years look how quickly technology has advance.

Some people says their a reason for everything, so I have rephrase the question.

What was it that kick started the rapid speed of Human intelligence's, and Why.

Torakx

It might be that the systems of research invented around thatcentury enabled us to progress and created even better systems of research and learing.
Thus causing a snowball effect in advancement of technology etc.

Aquarius34

Agent Mug wrote: »

You could be right, but the idea that aliens would trade their technology with us at that time, what could we give them in return.

Whats your view on the Roswell UFO incident, that could be the reason for the slowness in human understanding of Alien technology.

Greater control over earthly affairs. Different E.T races are warring with each other for total elite control. Just like we do on Earth. The ones that they trade with are not much more advanced than we are now, as humans have technology that is grossly sped up to date with a lot of their current E.T traders.

Roswell, happened. It was a ship that crashed. It's nothing special, other than it got a lot of media attention at the time. The US government have always been questioned on it, and they keep dismissing it everytime it's brought up. It's no big deal to me, it's just a UFO ship that crashed here. There is far more deeper stuff going on in plain sight that we are not yet aware of and should be aware of at this point. I will be honest I don't know a whole lot about the Roswell crash because it doesn't really interest me so much. So that's the best answer I can give you with regards to that.

Wibbs

Agent Mug wrote: »

]Yea I agree Wibbs, just to add to your post the shape that they where looking for was to get the maximum speed out of their aircraft's

Well speed wasn't the thing with the flying wing type designs, it was lifting capacity and range they were after. Indeed the flying wing design is pretty crappy aerodynamically at higher speeds as they're quite draggy. They're not too clever stability wise at lower speeds either, hence they went out of favour PDQ. The B1 bomber went the flying wing route because one big advantage they have is they're stealthier where radar is concerned and the fly by wire systems helped a lot with the stability issues, though agile they are not. They're pretty slow too. Theoretically a WW2 Spitfire could catch one in a dive and a WW2 ME262 jet fighter could easily do so.

The turning point in Human intelligence's had to be in the last century, before then Human intelligence's was moving along at a slow pace but at the same time making progress, and then just before the second world war and especially after it Human intelligence's took of at a rapid speed and is showing no sign of slowing down, technology is improving for the better every year in fact technology seem to be educating itself at a rate of speed that is increasing every year.

I'd go with Torakx' snowball effect myself and I'd roll back that pace change to before that, the age of enlightenment, widespread printing etc. More information was being shared more freely and more rapidly. Made a huge difference. Just look at the difference since the printing press kicked off in Europe and how rapidly the tech proliferated, when compared to cultures/areas like the middle and far east(even though the latter came up with printing they didn't utilise it like in Europe). In 1000AD China and especially the Islamic world would have been ahead of Europe. Fast forward to the age of enlightenment and into the 19th century and they were rapidly left behind in nearly all areas of technology. When the European powers rocked up to China in the 19th century it was a medieval society.

Now I'm not complaining it great to see it happening in all area of life but what was it that kick started it and why, was it some kind of Alien technology, I know to some that might sound ridiculous but for thousands of years Human intelligence's was moving along at a slow pace but at the same time making progress, and now within a hundred years look how quickly technology has advance.

Today that pace has quickened because of this propagation and melding of ideas. It's always been thus. On another forum there was talk about why we modern humans "won" and were more inventive than Neandertals. It is likely down to the sheer numbers reaching a tipping point, an emergent behavior springing from chaos kinda thing. A Neandertal may have had a radical new idea, but since he or she would have likely only met a handful of people in their lives the idea was likely to die with them. Ditto for early us too. We have the odd radical thang, but it seems to die out quickly. 40,000 years ago there were simply more of us, so if Paddy Caveman came up with a new spear, he met many more people in his life so one or three might use this idea and they'd meet more and more people and whammo you have innovation spreading.

Like the idea of memes, mental viruses that spread. A real virus will die out if it only gets to infect 20 people, with millions available it'll keep going. Same thing with ideas. There are more of us today and way more ways to transmit a meme and way more selection pressures to drive evolution of those memes. This goes for fashion, fat kids playing with light sabres and inventions, even conspiracies. The turnover of all those things is far higher than when I was a kid in the 70's and 80's and that's not that long ago. Well...

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I'm willing to bet all these flying triangles belong to the US military.

Tzar Chasm

isn't the wedge shape necessary for the charged leading edge in the b2

claiming our advancements only started 100 years ago is rather dismissive of those who came before us, think of men like Newton, volta, newcomen, watt, and my personal hero Michael Faraday, their advancements, some incremental, some downright revolutionary have brought us to where we are today,

the guy who invented the wagon did so after the wheel had been invented, then someone else had the idea of hooking that wagon to an ox..... and so on until that initial train of thought peaked this century with the E39 M5 BMW.

as wibbs said its a chain of incremental developments occasionally interspersed with monumental leaps forward

Aquarius34

I'm loving these discussions carry on don't mind me:p

Seriously, it's great to see all views been added on this topic.

Agent Mug

Just to confirm Wibbs when I said shape I wasn't referring to one particular shape of aircraft, if you read the last link I posted it explain it better, sorry about that.

Tzar Chasm, sorry if you took me up wrong but there is no way I would ever dismiss previous achievements before the last hundred years, again my question is to do with the rapid speed of human intelligence's in the past hundred years base on how quickly technology has advance, now maybe I should go back to my first question, again, (where did they get their ideas from) could it have been from Alien technology.

Now if there was a contest between Human History and Alien technology well naturally Human History would win, because we all know our Human history, there is no history written about Alien technology, but does that mean we have to dismiss the possibility that Alien technology in some way or another has a influence on the technology that this thread is all about, and I do repeat that this thread is all about, I'm not saying Aliens exist and I'm not saying they don't, but the speed of which technology has advance the question has to be ask, this is the start of the original post.

It seem like in the mid Fifties the American Air Force was building their very own FLYING SAUCER, now I wonder where they got that idea from.

I do go on don't I.

Myrddin

We kinda touched on this in the Mysteries forum - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056857910

This is a good documentary, & touches on Operation Paperclip & the classified saucer shaped prototypes created in the 50's/60's {that are still classified today}

Agent Mug

EnterNow wrote: »

We kinda touched on this in the Mysteries forum - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056857910

This is a good documentary, & touches on Operation Paperclip & the classified saucer shaped prototypes created in the 50's/60's {that are still classified today}

At last a video I can watch, thanks.

Myrddin

Agent Mug wrote: »

At last a video I can watch, thanks.

Its well worth a watch. The guy that made it is Nick Cook & from what I gather, is fairly well respected. He has an interview in the video with the guy who designed the plane that went up against the SR71 in terms of who got the government contract...the guy is old now but you might find what he has to say interesting.

Sorry if the video isn't what your after, I was only saying it touches on some of the things raised in the thread.

Agent Mug

EnterNow wrote: »

Its well worth a watch. The guy that made it is Nick Cook & from what I gather, is fairly well respected. He has an interview in the video with the guy who designed the plane that went up against the SR71 in terms of who got the government contract...the guy is old now but you might find what he has to say interesting.

Sorry if the video isn't what your after, I was only saying it touches on some of the things raised in the thread.

Now you all talk among yourselves while I watch this video, and remember no arguments, this is my thread, thanks. :cool:

Wibbs

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I'm loving these discussions carry on don't mind me:p

Seriously, it's great to see all views been added on this topic.

Ditto A. Much better than the "you're wrong!!", "No you are!!" stuff. All I know is that on the right/wrong front I'm like the Irish weather, mostly cloudy with the very odd bright spots.

Agent Mug wrote: »

Just to confirm Wibbs when I said shape I wasn't referring to one particular shape of aircraft, if you read the last link I posted it explain it better, sorry about that.

Ahh right gotcha.

Now if there was a contest between Human History and Alien technology well naturally Human History would win, because we all know our Human history, there is no history written about Alien technology, but does that mean we have to dismiss the possibility that Alien technology in some way or another has a influence on the technology that this thread is all about, and I do repeat that this thread is all about, I'm not saying Aliens exist and I'm not saying they don't, but the speed of which technology has advance the question has to be ask, this is the start of the original post.

Oh it's possible. Its possible a Roswell type event was re-engineered and gave some majorly useful data. There was some startlingly rapid change. EG the SR 71 Blackbird first flew just under 20 years after the close of World War Two. Hell the X 15 which was a real rocket ship in every sense of the word first flew IIRC only 15 years after WW2.

I seem to recall a pretty measured documentary that had one of the Lockheed skunkworks guys or someone equally high up on tape mentioning "captured vehicles" and when pressed were they Soviet he answered no. Another one from a one time head of the same Lockheed skunkworks who was musing about propulsion systems and physics and he said something along the lines of "well you know if you repeat Galileo's experiment and drop two objects from the same height regardless of "weight" they'll land together? Well you might be surprised on that point", or words to that effect. Put it this way I'd not be surprised if the Germans were onto something and the US, who got the lions share of the researchers ran with it. IE some sort of "anti gravity" or something that looks very like it.

It seem like in the mid Fifties the American Air Force was building their very own FLYING SAUCER, now I wonder where they got that idea from.

Well the media meme about same could be one reason. If you're some boffin in a lab you might look at a media report or sci fi movie and go "hmmm I wonder would that shít work?". Look at the amount of cutting edge stuff that came from Star Trek. Things like theoretical physics dudes coming up with warp bubbles and quantum transportation just because they grew up watching Kirk et al.

I do go on don't I.

Compared to me AM? You're a rank amateur. THis is a good thing.

EnterNow wrote: »

Its well worth a watch. The guy that made it is Nick Cook & from what I gather, is fairly well respected. He has an interview in the video with the guy who designed the plane that went up against the SR71 in terms of who got the government contract...the guy is old now but you might find what he has to say interesting.

Agreed. The various threads Nick Cook has explored are very interesting as far as possible above top secret stuff that may be going on as we speak.

Myrddin

Wibbs wrote: »

the SR 71 Blackbird first flew just under 20 years after the close of World War Two

Thats just mind blowing isn't it. From Spitfires & P51's to Mach 3 Stealth @80k feet in two decades. Its a huge leap in technology in such a short time. Really does make you wonder what they're cooking today doesn't it

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I'll just quote Ben Rich, on his deathbed, former skunkworks director

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”


Says a lot really.

Wibbs

True though the other side of that is disinformation. Military history is full of that stuff. What better way to keep your enemies guessing than by coming out with stuff like that? Sure there is some real amazing tech going on behind black projects. I've no doubt about that. However I remain sceptical about some of the wilder theories. Easy star travel and the like.

Aquarius34

Wibbs wrote: »

True though the other side of that is disinformation. Military history is full of that stuff. What better way to keep your enemies guessing than by coming out with stuff like that? Sure there is some real amazing tech going on behind black projects. I've no doubt about that. However I remain sceptical about some of the wilder theories. Easy star travel and the like.

You'll be very surprised

Jonny7

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I'll just quote Ben Rich, on his deathbed, former skunkworks director

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”


Says a lot really.

Yeah except that he didn't really say that.

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Jonny7 wrote: »

Yeah except that he didn't really say that.

Did he not? I have read that on many sites over the years?

How do you know?

Jonny7

Best username ever wrote: »

Did he not? I have read that on many sites over the years?

How do you know?

Enthusiasm unfortunately. The quote isn't attributable to him, however dozens of UFO and conspiracy sites prefer to overlook that fact. His memoirs are apparently a very good read though, no mention of UFOs though.

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Jonny7 wrote: »

Enthusiasm unfortunately. The quote isn't attributable to him, however dozens of UFO and conspiracy sites prefer to overlook that fact. His memoirs are apparently a very good read though, no mention of UFOs though.

Got a link? I'd love to read them.

Jonny7

Here you go

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Skunk-Works-Leo-Janos/dp/0751515035/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361820592&sr=8-1

Will prob pick up a copy myself

Tzar Chasm

the quote does seem to be attributed to him tho, multiple sites and videos quote him.

I,m nearly inclined to take their word for it unless you can offer something to substantiate your claim

Agent Mug

EnterNow I watch the video very interesting never seem that one before thanks, it just goes to prove that something did kick start their advancement in technology, so lets continue with the search, what did kick start them.

The American military is so far advance with their technology that I find it very hard to believe that it is all to do with what Torakx has said the snowball effect in advancement of technology, now I'm not saying Torakx is wrong but I like to look at this from all angles, I think EnterNow says it very well From Spitfires & P51's to Mach 3 Stealth @80k feet in two decades, could a snowball effect do that in two decades.

I will admit some of the things about aliens that you find on the Internet is very hard to believe, but I'm not dismissing the possibility that the American military has in some way got their hands on Alien technology, so what other way could have speeded up their advancement in technology, dare I say it, time travel, the video below cover all side of that possibility very well, I think.

Came across this name Colonel Philip Corso it seem like he wrote a book call The Day After Roswell, he makes some really strange claims about Aliens whether they're true or not I don't know, but his military record is very impressive.

As Fox Mulder says, The Truth is Out There.

Oh and Wibbs, Ahh right gotcha. I was telling the truth, really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1M2Q1YHMgSU#t=0s

Jonny7

The Germans managed an arguably greater military technological leap in the run-up and during WW2 than the US ever did in any subsequent period.

Obviously it's like comparing apples and oranges, but all the technology from that era and into the Cold War is pretty traceable. Ever hear of the project to develop a nuclear powered ramjet cruise missile the size of a locomotive? probably not, and that was in the 60's, hundreds of these projects and tests failed and were abandoned, but the information they produced weren't. Coupled with the Cold War and the space race and America's enormous military budget, as well as having some of the best and brightest minds on the planet.. this technology was developed and produced.

I know, not as much fun as speculating on alien tech, but probably closer to the truth.

Agent Mug

Jonny7 wrote: »

The Germans managed an arguably greater military technological leap in the run-up and during WW2 than the US ever did in any subsequent period.

Obviously it's like comparing apples and oranges, but all the technology from that era and into the Cold War is pretty traceable. Ever hear of the project to develop a nuclear powered ramjet cruise missile the size of a locomotive? probably not, and that was in the 60's, hundreds of these projects and tests failed and were abandoned, but the information they produced weren't. Coupled with the Cold War and the space race and America's enormous military budget, as well as having some of the best and brightest minds on the planet.. this technology was developed and produced.

I know, not as much fun as speculating on alien tech, but probably closer to the truth.

One of the many reasons we Humans advance in our progress is to better our future generations in their ability to fight back, we are Humans, we don't bow to superior being, but as some Humans says there a reason for everything, We don't question their beliefs We just like to search for the answer as to why, these so call superior being or technology being find us so, Fascinating. :cool:

Wibbs

Agent Mug wrote: »

I think EnterNow says it very well From Spitfires & P51's to Mach 3 Stealth @80k feet in two decades, could a snowball effect do that in two decades.

Leaps forward in short periods of time happen and just need the right ingredients. EG go a bit further back in transport terms. Steam. Stephenson's Rocket was 1830 IIRC, within 20 years railways were all over the UK and beyond and that made huge impacts on all sorts of technology and culture(metallurgy, communications, commerce, travel, even timekeeping). A kid of 10 watching the Rocket go by at barely 25 mph would end up living in quite a different world as a 30 year old with trains going by at 60 mph. No aliens required there. Further back again look at what the printing press changed within a generation. It helped drive the reformation, political revolution and the age of enlightenment.

Tzar Chasm

just a thought, if the advances in technology are down to aliens giving humans a helping hand the it leads to some rather disturbing conclusions.

by your own train of thought the biggest advancements occurred in nazi germany during the war, therefore we could conclude that these aliens chose the side of hitler, at the time of the death camps, so they didn't have a problem with genocide, yet when 'their side' lost the americans were allowed to abscond with the goodies, surely a race of advanced beings with genocidal leanings would just wipe them out for spite.

if americas nuclear weapons were a threat to them then why allow the usa to take the rocket technology which gave them a delivery system.

Torakx

And on that note...
Here is something I stumbled on, somehow lol

Maybe this is a clue to some of the advances in technology that people sometimes think relates to alien intelligence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRPC7a_AcQo

Also found this one on Quantum Locking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXHczjOg06w

I know myself from researching magnetics that a spinning magnetic field anti clockwise can cause an upward force on those magnetic kite experiments and other types of static levitation I think too.
Apparently the Quantum locking was discovered around 100 years ago.