Another new car thread 200bhp plus

Marty McFly

Hi

Okay I'm seriously starting to look around now for a new car, seen a 07 335i today on carzone for 12,950 in autosport in Clondalkin was seriously considering it but its gone already .

It won't be for a few weeks as I have Barcelona and want to get that out of the way first.

But looking for ideas and peoples opinions, I have been thinking of a 530i, 335i or a 330i my quandry on them is do I pay the high tax on a 07 or 06 or wait a little bit longer to get to get an 08 one which are at the moment I think mostly out of my price bracket but 750 a year to tax which is only slightly higher than what Im paying now on a 2.0 litre.

Or for alternative ideas of other cars if people have suggestions? I'm mostly thinking saloon, coupe, petrol over 200bhp minimum, budget 10k to 13k being the high end of what im willing to spend.

biko

http://www.adverts.ie/car/saab/other-saab/saab-aero-253bhp/2621508

Saab Aero 253bhp €2200

included i have performance parts that will see it pushing over the 300bhp mark....including walbro pump,bosch 3.5bar fpr..i can provide name of expert who will do the mapping for very reasonable price-at this power and torque VERY few cars would keep up

dgt

Should fit the bill nicely

rocky

2008+ 3 liter petrol BMW are very thin on the ground, you might have to import... go for an MSport if you can.

As alternatives, the lexus GS300, there's one for under 6k on donedeal... 245hp V6

3 series was a bit too small for me, so I was looking in the 5 series size...

challengemaster

Why no E46 M3?

Marty McFly

rocky wrote: »

2008+ 3 liter petrol BMW are very thin on the ground, you might have to import... go for an MSport if you can.

As alternatives, the lexus GS300, there's one for under 6k on donedeal... 245hp V6

3 series was a bit too small for me, so I was looking in the 5 series size...

Yeh I know there thin on the gorund so may have to wait a while for one to pop up even the 335i in my price range so far have seen two 07 ones and they have been snapped up very quickly.

The GS300 I did consider but the more I looked at it the less I liked the look of it, I dont think it will or is aging well.

challengemaster wrote: »

Why no E46 M3?

M3 E46 Im just not big on the looks off plus want to try keep it up the years a bit, Im thinking if I get a car truly like ill be holding onto it for sometime. Sure I still love the Accord just want something with more power in it and with comfort, which is why I was thinking the E60 or E92

Supergurrier

So you want a BMW with 200bhp+ ?

Marty McFly

Supergurrier wrote: »

So you want a BMW with 200bhp+ ?

:pac: probably yeh I was looking around even at the FD2 Type R but there only one on carzone that's sitting at 20,000 which is out of my price range. Im open to suggestions though see if someone can pop something up I haven't considered.

Same way I love the 6 MPS just a shame they didn't bring out a new 6 MPs with the new model as the old one is showing its age imo.

markoire

How about a Euro R accord? Used to own one, lovely car to drive, pretty quick and probably the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in!!

Marty McFly

markoire wrote: »

How about a Euro R accord? Used to own one, lovely car to drive, pretty quick and probably the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in!!

Did consider one, but Ive already own a cl7 Accord and don't really feel like selling one to buy another one.

Been looking out for an 07 08 Volvo T5 of any sort but seem fairly hard to find.

Ardennes1944

There's a 500 Abarth for sale on donedeal last time I looked...:D

Matt Simis

Marty McFly wrote: »

Same way I love the 6 MPS just a shame they didn't bring out a new 6 MPs with the new model as the old one is showing its age imo.

Ive said it before, but that Mazda 2.3T engine is a hateful thing (horrible little 4 pot with a big turbo syndrome to the max), the fact you mention it in a thread which started with 6pot BMW engines makes be suspicious about your likes and dislikes. :pac:

Also the 335i and 330i drive very differently and represent entirely different driving experiences... given one is a high revving NA and the other is a FI engine.

If you want raw BHP on the cheap, go Jap, like Subaru or Evo or go Audi (any tuned 1.8T engine).

Marty McFly

Matt Simis wrote: »

Also the 335i and 330i drive very differently and represent entirely different driving experiences... given one is a high revving NA and the other is a FI engine.

If you want raw BHP on the cheap, go Jap, like Subaru or Evo or go Audi (any tuned 1.8T engine).

Ah I know there both very different engines I've heard all about how the twin turbo in the 335i is meant to be an amazing engine with no turbo lag, the only reason I mentioned the 330i well is cheap tax in the 08 one on carzone which is out of my price range but at the moment im thinking at it from all angles.

Hate modern Audi's tbh they claim to be a luxury brand yet have the most disgusting bland interiors imaginable, the Subaru I have thought about alright and looked at a lot but it is kinda fugly and according to my cousin who has one an absolute nightmare on the juice.

Sorry for mentioning the MPS :P:cool:.

I love the 335i my only concern is the tax really although I was worried about the same step up from a 1.4 to a 2.0 litre aswell before I done that.

bazz26

Maybe something a bit left field.

Mazda 6 MPS:

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Mazda/Mazda6/2.3-MPS/201306212340722/

VW Golf R32:


http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Volkswagen/Golf/R32-4M/29213456521279990/

Marty McFly

R32 does give food for thought hadn;t really considered one.

Did think of a Jaguar XF such a beautiful looking car but was told to stay well clear of them.

Idbatterim

Okay I'm seriously starting to look around now for a new car, seen a 07 335i today on carzone for 12,950 in autosport in Clondalkin was seriously considering it but its gone already .

It won't be for a few weeks as I have Barcelona and want to get that out of the way first.

But looking for ideas and peoples opinions, I have been thinking of a 530i, 335i or a 330i my quandry on them is do I pay the high tax on a 07 or 06 or wait a little bit longer to get to get an 08 one which are at the moment I think mostly out of my price bracket but 750 a year to tax which is only slightly higher than what Im paying now on a 2.0 litre.

Or for alternative ideas of other cars if people have suggestions? I'm mostly thinking saloon, coupe, petrol over 200bhp minimum, budget 10k to 13k being the high end of what im willing to spend.

i rang about the 335 yesterday, rang again this afternoon to make sure it was available and was gone, like you mentioned. The E92's 325 for 06 and 07 are 218 bhp and E1080 tax. The only 3L engine under the CC based system I would consider was the 335 simply for the ridiculous power. The 2008's at your budget will be the absolute dregs, so what Im probably going to do and would advise you to do, is get a 06,07 for a year or two, then change it... Also I have read of multiple reliability issues with the post 08, 3L engine (used in the 325 and 330)...

Eric Cartman

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4605915

645ci

Oafley Jones

Lexus is250. Bullet proof and you'd pick them up for peanuts

enda1

From the left-field
Porsche

irish bloke

looking at 01-02 M5's at the moment. abt 9-12K, slightly less in the UK. Might be a bit old for you but your talking more toys and BHP then you could ever imagine.:D

Marty McFly

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Lexus is250. Bullet proof and you'd pick them up for peanuts

I do like the IS250 and have looked at them but I guess If I ere to choose one of them it would be taking a step down form the 335i think I need to dcide how much tax wise im willing to spend a year. Im starting to think I could stretch to the 1500 a year.

OSI wrote: »

I wouldn't bother with an R32 tbh. The difference in tax between it and a GTI would pay for the kit and remap that would bring a GTI up to the same power as the R32. Then you're just paying for higher fuel consumption and more tax. Granted the V6 sounds amazing and it has 4wd, but unless you're doing traffic light GP all the time, you won't miss it.

Good point and pint taken .

enda1 wrote: »

From the left-field
Porsche

As much as I love the old school Porsche that would not be a car I could see myself driving as an everyday car.

irish bloke wrote: »

looking at 01-02 M5's at the moment. abt 9-12K, slightly less in the UK. Might be a bit old for you but your talking more toys and BHP then you could ever imagine.:D

Same again love M5 but the running costs on one of them would be massive.

Mar4ix

have a look in uk, cars usually there in better specs , and cheaper, find what VRT will be, and at the end might will be cheaper.

randy hickey

Saloon - check.
200 BHP - check.
Under €13000 - check.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Alfa-Romeo/159/JTD-Qtro/34113612008868710/advert?channel=CARS

Are you brave enough?:D

Marty McFly

randy hickey wrote: »

Saloon - check.
200 BHP - check.
Under €13000 - check.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Alfa-Romeo/159/JTD-Qtro/34113612008868710/advert?channel=CARS

Are you brave enough?:D

Cheers for the link and thought but I don;t do Diesel I only do roughly 7,000 to 8,000 km a year driving the last few years so I'll stick to petrol .

Marty McFly

Sorry for dragging this back up again, I had been thinking Lexus GS300, IS250 or BMW 5 series or 335i, and had pretty much settled on one the BMW's prob whichever I found one of first that I liked for the right price.

But all I keep reading is about BMW reliability issues, servicing costs and the run flats (although I do very little mileage so tyre wear and new tyres arent that regular for me Ive only needed to change tyres once on the Accord in 3 years and thats because it was sold to me with fairly bald tyres) would I be right to let this have me second guessing? Or am I just over thinking it? .

Go with the Lexus! There was a nice IS-F on carzone but it's gone now.... they don't go for as much as their worth due to the MPG and Tax but such an amazing car.

Like you said you've had an accord so next on the list is a Lexus

Or what about an Audi? A5? Could be out of budget

CianRyan

Could you stretch the the GS450h? 340BHP, 0-60 in 5 seconds and its a hybrid so it's "economical".
It's the top model too so it'll probably come with more toys.

tossy

OSI wrote: »

I wouldn't bother with an R32 tbh. The difference in tax between it and a GTI would pay for the kit and remap that would bring a GTI up to the same power as the R32. Then you're just paying for higher fuel consumption and more tax. Granted the V6 sounds amazing and it has 4wd, but unless you're doing traffic light GP all the time, you won't miss it.

All valid points except the point on 4wd,it's far more useful than just launching from traffic lights like a lunatic. Live with a 200+ BHP with 4wd for a considerable period and you'll find it very very hard to go back to FWD again.

thecomedian

tossy wrote: »

All valid points except the point on 4wd,it's far more useful than just launching from traffic lights like a lunatic. Live with a 200+ BHP with 4wd for a considerable period and you'll find it very very hard to go back to FWD again.

I agree with Tossy, it gives a feel of slot more grip. Completely different under acceleration. Also the V6 na power us different than gti power even if the bhp increased.

CianRyan

In that catagory the STI (or standard WRX) and Evo are always reviewed as being leaps and bounds ahead of the R32.

tossy

CianRyan wrote: »

In that catagory the STI (or standard WRX) and Evo are always reviewed as being leaps and bounds ahead of the R32.

Wasn't aware the STI's and EVO's were 'in' the 3.2 V6 4wd Hatchback category :cool:

Seriously though Evo' and STI's are properly quick and properly high maintenance performance cars the R32 doesn't belong in the same category it's unfair to even lump it in there.

CianRyan

tossy wrote: »

Wasn't aware the STI's and EVO's were 'in' the 3.2 V6 4wd Hatchback category :cool:

Seriously though Evo' and STI's are properly quick and properly high maintenance performance cars the R32 doesn't belong in the same category it's unfair to even lump it in there.

Similar powered and priced AWD sports cars, especially now that the STI is a hatch back it's right in there.
Everyone agrees the R32 has the nicest interior but all bar a few say they'd take home the Evo.

rocky

Marty McFly wrote: »

Sorry for dragging this back up again, I had been thinking Lexus GS300, IS250 or BMW 5 series or 335i, and had pretty much settled on one the BMW's prob whichever I found one of first that I liked for the right price.

But all I keep reading is about BMW reliability issues, servicing costs and the run flats (although I do very little mileage so tyre wear and new tyres arent that regular for me Ive only needed to change tyres once on the Accord in 3 years and thats because it was sold to me with fairly bald tyres) would I be right to let this have me second guessing? Or am I just over thinking it? .

The 3/530i shouldn't have reliability issues, go with one of them.

tossy

CianRyan wrote: »

Similar powered and priced AWD sports cars, especially now that the STI is a hatch back it's right in there.
Everyone agrees the R32 has the nicest interior but all bar a few say they'd take home the Evo.

The are not in the same league,the Evo and STI are rally bred turbo charged monsters that require maintenance and looking after as such. The R32 is a fast,refined hatch back designed for getting accountants down the autobahn at 150 mph with the air con on - completely different ends of the spectrum,just because the both have awd and 200+ bhp doesn't make them comparable.

CianRyan

tossy wrote: »

The are not in the same league,the Evo and STI are rally bred turbo charged monsters that require maintenance and looking after as such. The R32 is a fast,refined hatch back designed for getting accountants down the autobahn at 150 mph with the air con on - completely different ends of the spectrum,just because the both have awd and 200+ bhp doesn't make them comparable.

Well for example, an Evo X has a service interval of 15000km, a MkV R32 is 18000km, the Evo I hardly high maintenance.

They are definitely comparable cars, just because they are each better at different driving styles that doesn't make them incomparable.

tossy

CianRyan wrote: »

Well for example, an Evo X has a service interval of 15000km, a MkV R32 is 18000km, the Evo I hardly high maintenance.

They are definitely comparable cars, just because they are each better at different driving styles that doesn't make them incomparable.

CiniO is that you ??? I'm not going to enter into some forum tennis with you - too much sport on the tele! You are right ok

CianRyan

CianRyan wrote: »

Could you stretch the the GS450h? 340BHP, 0-60 in 5 seconds and its a hybrid so it's "economical".
It's the top model too so it'll probably come with more toys.

Yep I was just going to suggest that, seems a great car for the pwer, 3.5L 700 odd to tax, new one 390 and 49 mpg the older one 35 mpg.

Supposed to be a fantastic car.

The BMW would probably be more fun to drive though.

I do love the sound of the vtec engines, you do have to rev them The VAG turbo's would have more torque, but would probably give more trouble than the Honda.

Even the non vtec in my gf's crv sounds good when driven.

Marty McFly

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep I was just going to suggest that, seems a great car for the pwer, 3.5L 700 odd to tax, new one 390 and 49 mpg the older one 35 mpg.

Supposed to be a fantastic car.

The BMW would probably be more fun to drive though.

I do love the GS450h but with my budget im looking at an 07 one were the tax would 1800 for the year, Im in no mans land really when it come to tax really all the cars im looking at and in my budget would fall into the 07/06 range with massive tax.

Which is a bit of killer considering one year jump I would be paying half that on a lot of the cars im looking at also meaning a lot of the cars as the price falls on 08 versions would make my car worthless almost. Stupid goverment :mad:

Marty McFly

Marty McFly wrote: »

I do love the GS450h but with my budget im looking at an 07 one were the tax would 1800 for the year, Im in no mans land really when it come to tax really all the cars im looking at and in my budget would fall into the 07/06 range with massive tax.

Which is a bit of killer considering one year jump I would be paying half that on a lot of the cars im looking at also meaning a lot of the cars as the price falls on 08 versions would make my car worthless almost. Stupid goverment :mad:

Oh bugger, I forgot about the pre 08 tax!

Yeah the Government have no brains!

rocky

Marty McFly wrote: »

I do love the GS450h but with my budget im looking at an 07 one were the tax would 1800 for the year, Im in no mans land really when it come to tax really all the cars im looking at and in my budget would fall into the 07/06 range with massive tax.

Which is a bit of killer considering one year jump I would be paying half that on a lot of the cars im looking at also meaning a lot of the cars as the price falls on 08 versions would make my car worthless almost. Stupid goverment :mad:

But then you wouldn't get cheap pre-08 cars

My 530i would have been at least 10k more expensive for an 08 (although I haven't seen an equivalent spec 08+ one for sale, or engine for that matter)... difference in tax, 700 a year?

Plus LCI BMW petrols are meant to be troublesome (definitely in the 523i guise, dunno if it extends to the 3l 525/530)

When I replace the current car, I might look at a 450h, although I test drove an 06 gs300 and it was only alright... that is if I don't find a nicely specced 550i

opus

rocky wrote: »

The 3/530i shouldn't have reliability issues, go with one of them.

Lot's of people waiting for 08+ 330i's to fall to a reasonable price I reckon (me being one anyway!), looks like import from the UK is the only way to get one though & even then can see only one on cargiant at the moment.

rocky

opus wrote: »

Lot's of people waiting for 08+ 330i's to fall to a reasonable price I reckon (me being one anyway!), looks like import from the UK is the only way to get one though & even then can see only one on cargiant at the moment.

Lots of people, few cars, guess what happens to the price?

Marty McFly

rocky wrote: »

But then you wouldn't get cheap pre-08 cars

Good point I never thought of it that way .

Tragedy

The GS450h is meant to be an utterly dire drive, so if you're looking for something fun and powerful rather than just powerful - avoid.

Photoshop

All those BMW 530i, Lexus GS, A6's, so boring

350Z.

300bhp+, rwd, 3.5l V6, loads of fine examples under 10k.



Alfa Romeo Brera.

260bhp, 4wd, 3.2 V6, rare.




Honda DC5.

220bhp, fwd, 2.0l high revving vtec, last of a dieing breed.

The 350z is nice !

I think the main point about the 450h was more the tax for the 08+ is a lot cheaper than for a normal 3.5L.

The new one being just 390 to tax. With 49 mpg.

The 350z is supposed to be a fantastic car. But ai suppose its too refined for some maybe, and it probably wouldn't corner like a 350Z, but the 350z isn't as practical either.

GavMan

Coupes just dont work for everyone

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The 350z is nice !

I think the main point about the 450h was more the tax for the 08+ is a lot cheaper than for a normal 3.5L.

The new one being just 390 to tax. With 49 mpg.

The 350z is supposed to be a fantastic car. But ai suppose its too refined for some maybe, and it probably wouldn't corner like a 350Z, but the 350z isn't as practical either.

Eah, I meant the gs450h is supposed to be a fantastic car lol

Tea 1000

Deleted User wrote: »

The 350z is nice !

I think the main point about the 450h was more the tax for the 08+ is a lot cheaper than for a normal 3.5L.

The new one being just 390 to tax. With 49 mpg.

The GS450h is supposed to be a fantastic car. But ai suppose its too refined for some maybe, and it probably wouldn't corner like a 350Z, but the 350z isn't as practical either.

Fixed your post according to your correction, but saying it "probably" wouldn't corner like a 350Z??? Probably? A 350Z would do rings around it!
I like the GS, but only for a family car that I want to be fast, reliable and comfortable, not because I want to blast down a regional road!

On another note, like the OP I'm not hearing many fantastic stories about the later BMW petrols either, I'm being put off, having being considering an E92 325i post-08.
The IS250 is bullet proof really. However, you might consider one of these:
Legacy Estate
Legacy Saloon
3 litre 245bhp flat 6 engine, very reliable, cheap enough to give you money to afford the tax for a few years, and a really nice car to drive.
There were a handful of 3 litre ones on Carzone, but they appear to be gone at the minute.

Marty McFly

Cheers for the suggestions folks.

The 350z a lovely car but really I'd be looking t something that could seat four can be a coupe just not a two seater one.

The Alfa Brera im in the its a butt ugly car side of things.

Love the DC5 but a friend owned one for two maybe three months and sold it due to that amount of attempted robberies its just seems to attract the wrong attention, I couldn't be dealing with someone trying to rob my car regulary.

The Legacy saloon now that I do like and have seen some lovely examples of it and if I could find a nice clean one, would certainly consider it but as you said very hard to find one at the minute.