The Peat Whisperer

Minoxidil

I've just read an interesting book called the peat whisperer which details an interesting diet aimed at improving health.

The main goal is to improve thyroid function and to increase the metabolic rate.

According to this book it is achieved by consuming certain foods and avoiding others ( like all diets of course).

Recommended foods:

Saturated fat such as coconut oil and real butter.

Dairy.

Salt and sugar. Recommend to mix into a glass of milk.

Ice cream.
Coffee.

Orange Juice.

Gelatin.

Seafood especially oysters and prawns.

Beef liver.

Fruit.

A raw carrot.

Red Meat consumed with milk or coffee to inhibit iron absorption.

Foods to avoid.

PUFAs

Nuts

Grains

Vegetables except carrots and a few others.

The goal is to minimise stress as well as increasing the metabolic rate and thyroid function. He says resting heartbeat should be above 80 bpm.

His website is raypeat.com

I'm considering trying it for a few weeks to see if it helps my thinning hair. Supposedly it does.

thegreatiam

a diet of red meat salt and ice cream. and no veg.
does this peat guy wear a yellow jump suit, have curly red hair and a big red smile?

--Kaiser--

What science or evidence does this guy use to support this diet, dare I ask?

Minoxidil

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

What science or evidence does this guy use to support this diet, dare I ask?

He has written numerous articles with references to studies on raypeat.com.

I'm reading through it at the moment, it seems convincing but much of it goes over my head.

One thing that stood out is that he says taking fish oil is bad for you.

thegreatiam

Minoxidil wrote: »

He has written numerous articles with references to studies on raypeat.com.

I'm reading through it at the moment, it seems convincing but much of it goes over my head.

One thing that stood out is that he says taking fish oil is bad for you.

at a glance I would say avoid. Any diet which tells you to eliminate certain food groups cant be too sensible and certainly is not sustainable.

instead try to eat a balanced diet based on unprocessed food.

and if youre worried so much about thinning hair then shave your head and put on a little muscle. become a skinhead action star ala vindiesel/statham et al. youll be fighting the chicks off with a stick

Streng Verboten

I've been implementing this diet for the most part for a few days now and my resting pulse rate has risen as predicted by Ray Peat and Danny Roddy. They say when you have a low metabolic rate your resting pulse is 50-70 and that is a sign your body is under stress and releasing damaging stress hormones such as estrogen, prolactin and serotonin. My pulse was in the low 60s, now it's high 70s. It should be above 80.

JuliusCaesar

I think this is a question you should ask of the medics over in Sci -> Health Sciences. I believe the fitter the person, the lower the heart rate, as the heart is pumping at maximum efficiency. An athlete would have a resting heart rate of about 50-60; older, and less fit, people around 80; any higher and you'd be thinking there may be problems there. But don't take my word for it! I'm just an interested person.

syklops

They say when you have a low metabolic rate your resting pulse is 50-70 and that is a sign your body is under stress

A slower pulse rate means the body is at stress, but a higher pulse rate means your not? Does not compute.

Jeffyrsd

syklops wrote: »

A slower pulse rate means the body is at stress, but a higher pulse rate means your not? Does not compute.

This should help clarify.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ELOooPT2As
It's interesting stuff.

hardCopy

Jeffyrsd wrote: »

This should help clarify.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ELOooPT2As
It's interesting stuff.

Nope, 1 hour YouTube videos never help.

Jeffyrsd

I find it intriguing that Ray Peat believes sugar is good for you and PUFAs are harmful.

His theory is that the metabolic rate and thyroid are critical to our health. A resting heart rate of 50-70 indicates are bodies are under stress. This diet can reverse hair loss and their are plenty of independent verifications of this. It won't give a bald man a full head of hair but it will stop it an reverse it in the early stages according to many.

SteelyDanJalapeno

A salt and sugar milkshake?!?! :eek:

Jeffyrsd

TiltedBrain wrote: »

A salt and sugar milkshake?!?! :eek:

I've been trying these suggestions the last week or so.

For breakfast I have eggs, orange juice, milk and coffee with sugar, milk and coconut oil. Sometimes I mix honey and salt with the milk if I can stomach it.

I have one raw carrot per day whenever.

I snack on tropical fruits, grapes, tangerines, watermelon etc.

For dinner I have liver once a week and prawns once a week. Other options are steak and lamb. I limit chicken and turkey consumption to once a week due to its high PUFA content.

I also have a few spoons of coconut oil per day. Orange juice and milk whenever I want.

If I need carbs I'll have potatoes or white rice.

rocky

How's your hair?

syklops

Jeffyrsd wrote: »

This should help clarify.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ELOooPT2As
It's interesting stuff.

Im not watching a 56 minute video. Can you sum it up in 3 lines with words with no more than 3 syllables?

Jeffyrsd

syklops wrote: »

Im not watching a 56 minute video. Can you sum it up in 3 lines with words with no more than 3 syllables?

You don't have to watch the whole lot, you'll get a good idea after ten minutes.

It's quite technical, you can learn about it at dannyroddy.com.

The goal is to minimise stress hormones such as estrogen, prolactin and a few others I can't remember.

The hardest part for me at the moment is eliminating veg ( except carrots and bamboo shoots) from my diet, especially since I formerly ate a primal diet.

Jeffyrsd

rocky wrote: »

How's your hair?

Receding and thinning around the hairline.

Hoping this will help. Worth a shot.

rocky

Matt Stone has a few articles on Peat

http://180degreehealth.com/tag/ray-peat

JuliusCaesar

RE the slow heart rate:

Q: What would cause a person to have a slow heartbeat?

A: First, let's clarify what we mean by slow heartbeat. Doctors say someone has a slow heart rate ("bradycardia") when the pace is fewer than 60 beats per minute.

The most common and best reason to have a slow heart rate is to be physically fit. If you exercise more, your heart can supply your body when it is at rest with fewer beats per minute. High-performance athletes often have heart rates in the 40s. There is essentially no heart rate that is too slow—as long as your body is getting all the blood it needs.

Linky

El_Dangeroso

I looked into Peat's stuff a while ago (Worth noting that the Peat Whisperer is written by Danny Roddy, Peat only publishes often baffling articles on his website with no comment sections)

Most of his stuff is inscrutable, ie it's very hard to prove it right or wrong.

1. His references RARELY match the text where they appear, eg he will say X does something to Y hormone referencing a paper, yet when you follow the paper it's nothing to do with X at all.

2. He contradicts himself, he says avoid certain amino acids and then advocates dairy which contains said amino acids

3. He says avoid berries like strawberries as their copious seeds contain too much PUFA, ehh, they contain a fraction of the PUFA contained in a portion of beef or prawns, which he endorses.

4. He seems to entirely ignore clinical research in favour of textbook biochemistry, this to me is very unconvincing as you can hypothisise anything from biochemistry that would never happen in the real world.

5. Although I agree that too much fish oil is a bad thing, he extends this to all oily fish, even though there is an avalanche of data indicating that oily fish are good for you.

Having said all that he may be completely right about everything, he just doesn't have a convincing case to back it up.

Three Seasons

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

RE the slow heart rate:



Linky

Yes of course, this is conventional wisdom.

Ray peat claims much of conventional wisdom is misguided. He claims a body free of stress hormones has a fast metabolic rate and a fast heartbeat as well as a higher body temperature, much like a child's physiology.

El_Dangeroso

Three Seasons wrote: »

Yes of course, this is conventional wisdom.

Ray peat claims much of conventional wisdom is misguided. He claims a body free of stress hormones has a fast metabolic rate and a fast heartbeat as well as a higher body temperature, much like a child's physiology.

Don't children have a faster heartrate because they are smaller? ie a mouse heart beat is even faster?

Isn't there a lot of studies showing a lower heart rate is indicative of reduced cardiovascular risk?

Three Seasons

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Don't children have a faster heartrate because they are smaller? ie a mouse heart beat is even faster?

Isn't there a lot of studies showing a lower heart rate is indicative of reduced cardiovascular risk?

Maybe, I don't know to be honest. I've read Ray Peat's stuff and I'm going to try the diet for three months and see what the effects are for myself. Practical experiments are the only way to find out I feel.

El_Dangeroso

Three Seasons wrote: »

Maybe, I don't know to be honest. I've read Ray Peat's stuff and I'm going to try the diet for three months and see what the effects are for myself. Practical experiments are the only way to find out I feel.

Report back how you get on. From what I've read the diet looks very nutrient dense, with a big focus on getting enough minerals and fat soluble vitamins from food, so from that point of view you can't go that far wrong.

Considering refined sugar an essential nutrient though, fruit perhaps, is just too way out there for me.

Three Seasons

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Report back how you get on. From what I've read the diet looks very nutrient dense, with a big focus on getting enough minerals and fat soluble vitamins from food, so from that point of view you can't go that far wrong.

Considering refined sugar an essential nutrient though, fruit perhaps, is just too way out there for me.

Yep the sugar and not eating vegetables feels strange as someone who has been paleo. But I'll try it out and see for myself, if I start piling on the pounds I'll give it up.

Three Seasons

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Report back how you get on. From what I've read the diet looks very nutrient dense, with a big focus on getting enough minerals and fat soluble vitamins from food, so from that point of view you can't go that far wrong.

Considering refined sugar an essential nutrient though, fruit perhaps, is just too way out there for me.

Yep the sugar and not eating vegetables feels strange as someone who has been paleo. But I'll try it out and see for myself, if I start piling on the pounds I'll give it up. M