Two Programmes At Once

RidleyRider

So, I'm starting Ed Coans deadlifting programme tomorrow but I want to start smolov squat too.

Would it be recommended to start both at the same time?

Hanley

Jesus f*cking Christ. SERIOUSLY???!?

Hanley

And the answer is - it doesn't matter. You won't stick to long enough anyway to get injured or overtrained.

Burkatron

Hanley wrote: »

Jesus f*cking Christ. SERIOUSLY???!?

Well done, you broke Hanley!

the drifter

Jesus wept. Then rose from the dead and wept again.

RidleyRider

Hanley wrote: »

And the answer is - it doesn't matter. You won't stick to long enough anyway to get injured or overtrained.

Well I apologise that we're not all as well up in the knowledge as you! Simple question asked, a yes or no answer would have been suffice.

And as for me not sticking at it for long enough, we'll see about that!

Hanley

RidleyRider wrote: »

Well I apologise that we're not all as well up in the knowledge as you! Simple question asked, a yes or no answer would have been suffice.

And as for me not sticking at it for long enough, we'll see about that!

No. It's a terrible idea.

A good idea would have been to listen to the advice on the many other questions you asked re programming. Including a very simple
And effective DL progression I laid out no more than 2 weeks ago.

You ask for advice and don't listen. How do you expect people to react?

COH

The real question is why aren't you running smolov bench as well?

Gummy Panda

So I was right on two weeks? :pac:

the drifter

COH wrote: »

The real question is why aren't you running smolov bench as well?

He is!!!


look dude. none of us are having a go here. We were all beginners once. the one regret id say we all have is not listening to what we were told way back. Take the advice of people who have walked the path already man. You will progress a lot faster.

jugger0

good night sweet prince

RidleyRider

Hanley wrote: »

No. It's a terrible idea.

A good idea would have been to listen to the advice on the many other questions you asked re programming. Including a very simple
And effective DL progression I laid out no more than 2 weeks ago.

You ask for advice and don't listen. How do you expect people to react?

It's not the fact I didn't listen, I haven't deadlifted since you posted that programme on the 7th. I researched other programmes and liked the Ed Coan programme. It layed it out simply and other exercises that also progresses my deadlifting.

If you were in my position as a beginner, would you appreciate the response you gave me? I respect what you're saying, cause it's clear you do know what you're talking about but a simple 'No, its a bad idea. You'll get injured, overtrained etc..' would have done.

COH wrote: »

The real question is why aren't you running smolov bench as well?

I am, started my 3rd week of it Monday, thanks!

Gummy Panda wrote: »

So I was right on two weeks? :pac:

No you were wrong:pac:

the drifter wrote: »

He is!!!


look dude. none of us are having a go here. We were all beginners once. the one regret id say we all have is not listening to what we were told way back. Take the advice of people who have walked the path already man. You will progress a lot faster.

I have ignored advice in the past yeah, but you admitted every beginner has. It's the fact I started to actually put together a decent run in training re smolov bench and asked simple about running 2 programmes in sequence and I get a silly response?

I asked the question to allow me to progress faster.

the drifter

jugger0 wrote: »

good night sweet prince

may flights of angles sing thee to thy rest


oh yes...i went there....i quoted Shakespeare...

deadlybuzzman

Ive never done either programme but Ive read plenty of logs of people that have done smolov and one thing that jumped out at me was how in every log people were hating squatting,lifting, the gym and life in general while doing it.

Heres a quote from stronglifts

WARNING: Smolov is NOT a routine for the faint hearted. I must say that from all the training programs that I've done since I started lifting weights in 1999, none have been more challenging than Smolov. You will NOT enjoy the Squatting, you will not EVEN look forward to it, and you WILL want to skip workouts.

That's why Smolov is not for guys who have been training for less than a year. It's also NOT for guys who can't Squat at least 300lb. And it's definitely NOT for guys who haven't mastered proper Squat technique yet. Build a foundation with StrongLifts 5x5 and Madcow 5x5 before you give Smolov a try

Based off of that if its torture 3 times per week then running a 2nd programme at the same time cant be a good idea.

BTW Hanleys linear progression thing is an utter fail safe option. By accident what Im doings pretty similar and everythings going up. Plus it means neither your squat or deadlift will suffer

RidleyRider

deadlybuzzman, thats the exact quote that caused me to create the thread and ask!

deadlybuzzman

RidleyRider wrote: »

deadlybuzzman, thats the exact quote that caused me to create the thread and ask!

Yeah see for me that'd be enough to think "do I really want to do this routine?" never mind running another routine on top. Even just looking at it is enough to make me feel sore!

the drifter

ok smolov squat.

I've ran it. The full program. The 2 week micro, 4 weeks intro, few days fapping about doing box jumps, 3 week final phase. I took a 40kg pb out of it.

It was hell on earth. I remember sitting in work on the final week on a Wednesday morning and id gladly have accepted a hospital bed. Everything was broke.

I benched while i ran it. 2 sets of 5 twice a week. Increasing by 2.5 every week. I started at 60% of 1RM . Thats very little benching you say. I'll never progress there. I dont care. I recovered and maintained my bench.

I didnt deadlift. I'd have died.

Smolvo is not for a beginner. Run some linear progression. Its simple. Its progressive. Your less likely to die. Eat everything in sight. Get swole. The run smolov.

deadlybuzzman

the drifter wrote: »

ok smolov squat.

I've ran it. The full program. The 2 week micro, 4 weeks intro, few days fapping about doing box jumps, 3 week final phase. I took a 40kg pb out of it.

It was hell on earth. I remember sitting in work on the final week on a Wednesday morning and id gladly have accepted a hospital bed. Everything was broke.

I benched while i ran it. 2 sets of 5 twice a week. Increasing by 2.5 every week. I started at 60% of 1RM . Thats very little benching you say. I'll never progress there. I dont care. I recovered and maintained my bench.

I didnt deadlift. I'd have died.

and this is why Ill never ever run it-serious respect to anyone that does it though!
Ridley- was there something wrong with the linear progression routine?

RidleyRider

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

and this is why Ill never ever run it-serious respect to anyone that does it though!
Ridley- was there something wrong with the linear progression routine?

No, not at all. I just liked the Ed Coan programme and how it was laid out. In the gym, I need things to be laid out simple for me to fully understand and with the linear although I understand, I just like to other exercises that have been added to the Ed Coan to aid DL.

See here: https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.seriouspowerlifting.com%2F3279%2Farticles%2Fed-coan-deadlift-routine&ei=TBQkUauBAcPNhAf22IDoAQ&usg=AFQjCNE0Tne7-hc4iouJeSppaCP5RINgSg&sig2=4CYLWJJZAHAG0U2Uk9-GPw&bvm=bv.42661473,d.ZG4

Hanley

the drifter wrote: »

ok smolov squat.

I've ran it. The full program. The 2 week micro, 4 weeks intro, few days fapping about doing box jumps, 3 week final phase. I took a 40kg pb out of it.

It was hell on earth. I remember sitting in work on the final week on a Wednesday morning and id gladly have accepted a hospital bed. Everything was broke.

I benched while i ran it. 2 sets of 5 twice a week. Increasing by 2.5 every week. I started at 60% of 1RM . Thats very little benching you say. I'll never progress there. I dont care. I recovered and maintained my bench.

I didnt deadlift. I'd have died.

Smolvo is not for a beginner. Run some linear progression. Its simple. Its progressive. Your less likely to die. Eat everything in sight. Get swole. The run smolov.

That. And I don't know a single person who's run coan as written and survived to PR at the end. It's too aggressive and you're almost guarantees to pr and regress on it unless you modify the percentages and know yourself REALLY well.

As for smolov. Wouldn't bother with the intense meso. Base is where most make their gains.

deadlybuzzman

RidleyRider wrote: »

No, not at all. I just liked the Ed Coan programme and how it was laid out. In the gym, I need things to be laid out simple for me to fully understand and with the linear although I understand, I just like to other exercises that have been added to the Ed Coan to aid DL.

See here: https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.seriouspowerlifting.com%2F3279%2Farticles%2Fed-coan-deadlift-routine&ei=TBQkUauBAcPNhAf22IDoAQ&usg=AFQjCNE0Tne7-hc4iouJeSppaCP5RINgSg&sig2=4CYLWJJZAHAG0U2Uk9-GPw&bvm=bv.42661473,d.ZG4

Yeah you can do assistance exercises with linear routines too. I do. Its actually a much more flexible option. Say for example after squatting you think your lower back needs more work throw in some GMs, if it feels fried then skip it that week. Have a bunch of exercises lined up beforehand but take it or leave it as you need

Mellor

RidleyRider wrote: »

And as for me not sticking at it for long enough, we'll see about that!

There's no way you'll stick to it. Not a reflection on you, I dont think anybody could do both at the same time with out injuring themselves or possibly dying from some sort of lower body spontaneous explosion.

If you want to run Ed.Coan the do it.
If you want to Smolov squat, do that.

But honestly, do you think you are ready for an advanced program like one of them? The fact you asked could you run both suggests you aren't tbh. How old are you, about 18. You should get a few months or even years of programmed training before you look at those imo.
You've referred to yourself as a beginner in a few posts about - you should be doing a beginners program. A simple 5 x 5 would be perfect.

Above all, stick to it for 3-6 months, stop trying to reinvent yourself every two weeks.

Hanley

If you need an advanced program to go from beginner to less of a beginner/intermediate... What do you have to bring you from inter to advanced...

john_cappa

RidleyRider wrote: »

It's not the fact I didn't listen, I haven't deadlifted since you posted that programme on the 7th. I researched other

Have not deadlifted since I was last given advice on deadlifting (was busy "researching" and came up with one of the most famous deadlift routines in existance) and am choosing to start on advanced routines without any real training knowledge or probably not even truly having ever reached a training plateau and actually knowing my true 1RM.

RidleyRider wrote: »

It's the fact I started to actually put together a decent run in training re smolov bench and asked simple about running 2 programmes in sequence and I get a silly response?

RidleyRider wrote: »

I am, started my 3rd week of it Monday, thanks!

Two weeks following a routine is a "decent run".


Either way the OP will ignore the advice he doesnt like.

the drifter

I must check and see if its a re reg of that henners fella and his 5/3/1 period.

RidleyRider

Started today on the Ed Coan.

Here's how it looks for week one;

Deadlifting

1 x 2 @ 127.5kg

Speed Deadlifts

8 x 3 @ 102.5kg

SLDL

8 x 3

Bent Over Rows

8 x 3

Reverse Grip Lat Pulldown

8 x 3

Arched Back GM's

8 x 3




I appreciate everything you guys posted in here and although it may not be liked by me, its the reality of it all. I'm going to stick to this programme and at the end of April/start of May I'll post my results. Re- Hanley and the percentages, I'll stick to what I put in until a time comes that I think I'm not going to be able to do whats prescribed anymore, I'll drop the percentages 5% or whatevers needed.

Thanks again, lads.

Mellor

RidleyRider wrote: »

Started today on the Ed Coan.

Here's how it looks for week one;

Deadlifting

1 x 2 @ 127.5kg

Speed Deadlifts

8 x 3 @ 102.5kg
.

Have you started yet, because I think you need to recalculate the %s.
From what I remember the deadlifts %, are based off a desired max, in this case 75% of 170kg, all good do far.
And the speed DLs are based off current max. 102.5kg would be 60% of 170kg also.

Looks like you but in 170kg for both current 1RM and desired 1RM. Even if you managed the 8 x 3 102.5kg already, I'd still recalculate for the next week as te error will become a bigger issue each week.

Hanley

Mellor wrote: »

Have you started yet, because I think you need to recalculate the %s.
From what I remember the deadlifts %, are based off a desired max, in this case 75% of 170kg, all good do far.
And the speed DLs are based off current max. 102.5kg would be 60% of 170kg also.

Looks like you but in 170kg for both current 1RM and desired 1RM. Even if you managed the 8 x 3 102.5kg already, I'd still recalculate for the next week as te error will become a bigger issue each week.

Pretty sure it's only the power shrugs calculated off current 1RM...

Mellor

Hanley wrote: »

Pretty sure it's only the power shrugs calculated off current 1RM...

Yeah looks like you are right. I put my own numbers into the calculator recently and must of been recalling the numbers incorrect.
Apologies Ridley, best of luck with CoanPhillipi

Gummy Panda

Mellor wrote: »

Yeah looks like you are right. I put my own numbers into the calculator recently and must of been recalling the numbers incorrect.
Apologies Ridley, best of luck with CoanPhillipi

Don't worry. He has already changed to Korte 3x3 Deadlift :pac: