Some one is grazing horses in my field, without my permission .

Yester

Some one is grazing horses in my field, without my permission.
I'm not a farmer myself but I have this field (about an acre) that was left to me in an inheritance. I had some problems in the past but last year I put up a proper gate with a chain and a lock but now someone is in there again grazing horses. What should I do?
(I know exactly what I would like to do!)
But within the confines of the law, any advice?

Conmaicne Mara

I know what I'd do. Terrible problem with kids leaving gates open around here letting stock out.

puzzle factory

get the vet out and have them culled

StompToWork

Burgers?

bob charles

Yester wrote: »

Some one is grazing horses in my field, without my permission.
I'm not a farmer myself but I have this field (about an acre) that was left to me in an inheritance. I had some problems in the past but last year I put up a proper gate with a chain and a lock but now someone is in there again grazing horses. What should I do?
(I know exactly what I would like to do!)
But within the confines of the law, any advice?

remove the gate

Yester

StompToWork: lol, Yes I could look at it as a business opportunity.

puzzle factory: I'm sure that would just start a war with whoever put them in there (I have a good idea who it is)

Conmaicne Mara: The field is in an isolated area so there would be little doubt who let them out. (I will still probably do that though, if I can't think of a better idea)

Yester

bob charles wrote: »

remove the gate

Removing the gate won't help. Before putting up the gate they were using pallets to block the entrance, so I am sure they would just get more.

slippy wicket

Call the county pound or local SPCA to come and take them away.
Just be aware that if these are horses owned by particular travelling gentlemen they may not be best pleased.

Rovi

Inform the Gardaí that you have stray horses.
This will place your problem 'officially' on the system.
They will notify the county pound, who will contact you, and will collect the horses at your soonest convenience.
They will scan for microchips and look for tattoos or other identifying features.
They may even 'know' the horses. :rolleyes:

The people in the pound are well used to dealing with the sort of equestrianists who practise extensive free range grazing, and the horse owners see having to occasionally pay bail on their horses as an acceptable cost against all the 'free' grazing they avail of.

We've had to do the above a couple of times over the years with horses found in our forestry.

Min

If they put pallets up, call the gardai about illegal dumping on your land. Get the Gardai and Departmernt of Agriculture to investigate the horses if you don't know the owners, it should have a passport.
If you know the owners of the horses, threaten them with legal action.

Yester

slippy wicket wrote: »

Call the county pound or local SPCA to come and take them away.
Just be aware that if these are horses owned by particular travelling gentlemen they may not be best pleased.

I'm not saying that the person I suspect of owning the horses is from any particular community but I will say that the person I suspect is a scumbag and I fear repercussions. If it was just me I would have no problem acting but I am away from home and its my fathers problem. He lives alone and is in his 80's.

Timmaay

Spray the field with roundup? No grass they won't leave the horses there for long!

foggy_lad

Get someone in to plough the field.

Yester

Thanks Rovi and Min

I'm thinking spraying might be the best option.

Timmaay wrote: »

Spray the field with roundup? No grass they won't leave the horses there for long!

I don't want to hurt the animals so I might wait until they are taken out and then spray it and put up a sign saying its poisoned.
Anyone want to buy a field lol.

endacl

What eats horses? Keep some of them in the field?

Yester

endacl wrote: »

What eats horses? Keep some of them in the field?

Tigers?

hedzball

endacl wrote: »

What eats horses? Keep some of them in the field?

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Let's not go there.

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Ploughing is the best bet

Yester

Ploughing is probably a more expensive option as it's a bit out of the way. I could probably borrow some equipment and spray it myself for cheaper.

Butcher Boy

I am short a few this weak, where can i pick them up.:D:D

Sam Kade

A big stallion donkey stepped into the Bull's field without the Bull's permission but he didn't step out again

belcampprisoner

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:cLexfxp9LsIJ:www.ispca.ie/assets/legal.pdf+tresspas+horse+ireland&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgDPV9ZrwclVfMkXy3RuDcf76seORwsGP3V2TXF_9L8K8nJFJl7em35QizzVUsB92uCFK48bBgVxIoza4o0nSB6ij__Ku0xvT0dAvc3JLHdT7s-o-jA8XpOLLnXZ20x1bzFjg8e&sig=AHIEtbSq7vpS62hbpJUwSWBRz2-wiIVu0w

yellow50HX

yeah, get the gardai involved, at least you might have some back up if things get nasty. so gardai 1st then the iscpa to take the horses away.

Username John

It seems you are not living in the area, so your options are kinda limited.
you could plough it, reseed it, and let it to someone who will look after it properly, even if its for low rent. At least you'd have some control over whats happening...

If you don't want to do this (or maybe your old lad wouldn't like this, sometimes they can be funny re letting land like that) then I would agree with the previous posters - call the guards. Have it on file that the horses are trespassing / not supposed to be there. Get the ISPCA involved if you like, if you feel its necessary.

But I wouldn't do anything more than that... don't start removing gates, or driving the horses on the road, or the likes...

Your father is in the area, and is old, and you are afraid of repercussions - then f'cuk it, its only a field, and they're only horses.

Don't be a walk-over, thats why I say tell the guards, but dont be bringing trouble on your father... I wouldn't say its worth it..

That's my two cents...

tommylimerick

we had the same problem for years in a small 3 acre field that was away from the house .
we did everything fenced it they would cut the wire
took the gate away they would tie the horse to a post
we eventally put it into forestry eventally the next generation will have some firewood or the local gaa crowd will have free hurleys
if it is not stolen too

towzer2010

Yester wrote: »

Some one is grazing horses in my field, without my permission.
I'm not a farmer myself but I have this field (about an acre) that was left to me in an inheritance. I had some problems in the past but last year I put up a proper gate with a chain and a lock but now someone is in there again grazing horses. What should I do?
(I know exactly what I would like to do!)
But within the confines of the law, any advice?

Hi Yester

I had the exact same problem last year. I know the dept of agriculture were worse than useless. They didnt want to know. The guy I spoke to even told me that if there was a big forestry plantation near me to run them into it. Maybe that has changed slightly with the current crisis but I doubt it.

The guards were more helpful and even advised me I should ring the local council vet and report that the horses were on the road and causing a danger to motorists so I put them into my field in case they caused an accident but because the boundary fence was not great they would probably soon get out again.

I did that and the council issued me with notices to put up on the land stating the horses were to be impounded in three days if not moved and surprise surprise they were taken in the middle of the night.

I know who these scumbags were and I let it be known through one of the cronies that if the "got in" again then bye bye horses.

Its a real pain that these fckers can get away with this sort of thing. If all tresspassing animals that cant be traced were legally obliged to be impounded straight away that would solve it.

mallethead

I had the same problem
I went to the person who owned them and asked them did they own them
They said no
i said grand i was going to the pound with them the next day and i wouldn't want to put their horses in the pound
That night they were gone
you can't let people graze you like this they'll keep coming back

mullachmore man

Yester wrote: »

Tigers?

humans

Yester

Thanks for all the advice everyone. I had a chat with the father and we are just going to sell it. It's too far way to be of any real use to us and now it's just becoming a problem. I'm still angry at the cheek of them, but it's probably best to avoid a confrontation at this time.

bob charles

I have being having a similar problem for the last 10 days with 5 horses, owner is a w....... Slurry going on the field tomorrow and leaving the gate open. so hopefully wont have a problem after that. presume the saying "live horse, get grass" was coined for these lovely horse owners

6480

bob charles wrote: »

I have being having a similar problem for the last 10 days with 5 horses, owner is a w....... Slurry going on the field tomorrow and leaving the gate open. so hopefully wont have a problem after that. presume the saying "live horse, get grass" was coined for these lovely horse owners

where would you stand if you leave gate open and the horse steps out onto road and causes a car to crash

Dont be daft

6480 wrote: »

where would you stand if you leave gate open and the horse steps out onto road and causes a car to crash

There's a multitude of offences that you could be charged with depending on the resulting accident and various other facts.

I've been in the OP's position and it took hiding in the ditch in the middle of the night to eventually catch the scumbags.
Looking back would have been easier to load them up and dump them at the pound. Problem solved in an hour.

pakalasa

Jazus lads, you're very civilised. If I found horses on my land, they'd be gone within a day. And I wouldn't be braking the law either. You give those type of people an inch and they'd take a mile.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/animal_welfare_and_control/control_of_horses.html

Bizzum

pakalasa wrote: »

Jazus lads, you're very civilised. If I found horses on my land, they'd be gone within a day. And I wouldn't be braking the law either. You give those type of people an inch and they'd take a mile.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/animal_welfare_and_control/control_of_horses.html[/QUOTE]

I thought you were goin to quote the Bull Mc Cabe again:D

bob charles

Dont be daft wrote: »

There's a multitude of offences that you could be charged with depending on the resulting accident and various other facts.

I've been in the OP's position and it took hiding in the ditch in the middle of the night to eventually catch the scumbags.
Looking back would have been easier to load them up and dump them at the pound. Problem solved in an hour.

are you sure? I find it hard to see why a farmer should have to have a stockproof fence if he has no animals in a field. If im growing a crop in a field and a neighbors animals jumps in and wanders onto the road through my property surely I am not liable?

grazeaway

Bob, get the horses get a good dose of slurry?

Freddy Smelly

put a cattle grid at the entrance to the field

grazeaway

Freddy Smelly wrote: »

put a cattle grid at the entrance to the field

a boy up the road inherited a cottage on an acre last year, it was the 1st thing he did. the f**kers brought the horses over the ditch.

Dont be daft

bob charles wrote: »

are you sure? I find it hard to see why a farmer should have to have a stockproof fence if he has no animals in a field. If im growing a crop in a field and a neighbors animals jumps in and wanders onto the road through my property surely I am not liable?

I was referring to a scenario were a property owner deliberately opens the gate to knowingly allow an animal unhindered access to the road.
In that scenario then yes, the property owner would be stepping into a legal minefield varying from endangering traffic to a negligence claim.

As for the scenario were a field is not stock-proofed and an animal breaks in then gets access to the road, then liability would not fall on the property owner.

But if the property owner had full knowledge of animals being on a property which was not stock-proofed and did nothing to remove the animals then your really in a grey area then.
Havent seen or heard of it being battered out in the courts yet, but I'd be a nervous defendant in a case like that.

bob charles

Dont be daft wrote: »

I was referring to a scenario were a property owner deliberately opens the gate to knowingly allow an animal unhindered access to the road.
In that scenario then yes, the property owner would be stepping into a legal minefield varying from endangering traffic to a negligence claim.

As for the scenario were a field is not stock-proofed and an animal breaks in then gets access to the road, then liability would not fall on the property owner.

But if the property owner had full knowledge of animals being on a property which was not stock-proofed and did nothing to remove the animals then your really in a grey area then.
Havent seen or heard of it being battered out in the courts yet, but I'd be a nervous defendant in a case like that.

Yes agree with your first points, try and prove thought that you left the gate open knowingly would be tough.

Cant see how I would be liable to have my land stockproofed to keep someone elses cattle in off the road.

mikom

Stick them up on donedeal.
You'll either sell them or their owners will spot them, as travellers have the "horse for sale" tab bookmarked on their smart phones.

hedzball

mikom wrote: »

Stick them up on donedeal.
You'll either sell them or their owners will spot them, as travellers have the "horse for sale" tab bookmarked on their smart phones.

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'hdz

foggy_lad

Dont let scumbag criminal types run you off your land op, go to the Gardai and inform them of the horses and contact the council and the ISPCA and let them all investigate. you cant be blamed if the ISPCA inspectors just happen to be snooping around!

Dont be daft

bob charles wrote: »

Yes agree with your first points, try and prove thought that you left the gate open knowingly would be tough.

Cant see how I would be liable to have my land stockproofed to keep someone elses cattle in off the road.

If liability was held, it wouldn't stem from not stock-proofing the property after the horses were discovered.
It would stem from not trying to get the horses removed therefore letting a potentially dangerous situation to continue. A simple phone call to the Co. Co. to make them aware of the issue would be enough to avoid liability.

This is all in theory though, like I said the issue hasn't been before the courts before that I know of.

Manoffeeling

A neighbour of mine had trouble with a neighbour and cattle breaking in. His solution was to leave plenty of old batteries inside his ditch. The neighbour wasn't long about fencing.

Farmer Pudsey

If you give them boys an inch they take a mile. I would send the horses to the pound no point spraying as they will be back when the field gets green again. I would not let the gate open either.

In the book the Godfather, the Don son was returning to the USA and he was afraid he be attacked he told the other side if his son was accidently shot, hit bay a car or even struck by lightening he was coming after them. I find that the sooner that you step into these boyo space the sooner they back down.

Go to the horsey people with this atitude.

Tell them Larry is looking for burger filler.:eek:

Yester

Update:
We have had horses in there again since.
I haven't seen them but you can tell by the horse ****. We have now sprayed it.

Trying to sell it has opened up more problems. The land is in my mothers, fathers name. He didn't leave a will. It was always accepted that my mother owned the land and there is no contest from any other siblings. Waiting for the slow arm of the law at the moment.

ruaillebuaille123

I'm adding to this thread although it's old - I'm having a very similar problem. I have horses in my field - definitely from a certain community - who graze the field next door to me.

I'm afraid having fenced it with new posts and wire last year it seems to make no difference - they're in!!!! I don't know if they own the field next door as the last registered owner according to the land registry is from the 40's and not a person from this community. However they're there a long time on and off and this is a recurring problem. I've never seen them and don't know their names. I don't live near the land - an acre roughly.

I'm really looking for advice as to what I can do legally? What rights have I? What can I do? I'm sick of it.

Perhaps since the time this thread started there may be some new suggestions. Thanks

patsy_mccabe

I found a horse grazing on our land years ago. It was tied to a metal bar driven into the ground, so it was deliberately put there. I pulled up the pole and drove it down next door on land where the horse was originally. They got the hint and never came back.

I know someone too, who got the names and phone number of someone who put horses onto his land. He rang them and told them to come collect them or he was calling the horse pound. Yer man threatened him but he came anyway and took them away.

Many ways to skin a cat, I suppose.

saabsaab

You could put up a sign or signs that says the land is poisoned (even if it isn't) Might get the message?

Kevhog1988

Put them on donedeal.

148multi

Just move them off it to where they were, they have nothing to lose, it's typical of that community, also notify the guards.

If you can scan them (a horsey friend will have a scanner ),bring microchip number to the guards, allowing animals to stray on another's property is an animal welfare offence