Court hearing for Tony Rooke and 9/11 documentary

asherbassad

The 9/11 documentary maker, Tony Rooke, on Feb 25th will face a court hearing to present evidence contradicting the official account of 9/11 events and indicting the BBC on its biased coverage.

It's in Horsham Magistrate's Court.

Anyone in that neck of the woods? If you attend can you report back your findings?

Cheers.

Here's a link to the details surrounding it:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33984.htm

Sacksian

The guy is in court because he didn't pay his TV license fee.

The court appearance is to hear his appeal to that charge.

asherbassad

Sacksian wrote: »

The guy is in court because he didn't pay his TV license fee.

The court appearance is to hear his appeal to that charge.

I'm aware of that. He is however citing the reasons for witholding his fee are encompassed in the UK Terrorism Act 2000. Evidence to back him up required by the magistrates includes contradictory proof of fallacies within the "official" 9/11 narrative.

The case against the BBC is ongoing.

hooradiation

Sacksian wrote: »

The guy is in court because he didn't pay his TV license fee.

The court appearance is to hear his appeal to that charge.

Jesus, some people will go to any length to avoid paying that.

Torakx

I dont blame them.
Maybe you can afford it,I certainly cant and dont need one either.
For a start, a person with a licence has still to put up with advertising.
Its a third party contract, solicited door to door like any other sales scam.
Its not a crime to evade fraud.
Its ridiculous a court system is requesting people to show up over a bussiness deal that didnt happen.
Im curious how this guy ended up in court in the first place....
Never answer your door to strangers.

Logical_Bear

Torakx wrote: »

For a start, a person with a licence has still to put up with advertising.

its the uk,no ads on the BBC.

Torakx

Holy crap! theresa tv chanel without ads! lol never thought id see the day.Whats the catch?
You have to pay for a licence and have to watch their channel? haha

Logical_Bear

Torakx wrote: »

Holy crap! theresa tv chanel without ads! lol never thought id see the day.Whats the catch?
You have to pay for a licence and have to watch their channel? haha

I sh1t you not!!As for the catch I think there's subliminal messaging to use floride and ignore any lizards you see driving cars or presenting on news programmes:pac::pac::pac:

Think there was a move or some mention of the law being changed here to introduce a licence fee for viewing online because a tv isnt really nessary anymore to view programmes and the govt would be out of pocket.But thats for another thread(and possibly not in this forum either!)

Torakx

The more advertising this fella gets for his court appearance the more chance he is going to have his rights taken from him by force.
Any cases I know of that have been successful are done quietly and the case is dismissed ,usually before they make it into court.
If your in court, youve already made a mistake...I think.

JustinDee

Torakx wrote: »

I dont blame them.
Maybe you can afford it,I certainly cant and dont need one either.
For a start, a person with a licence has still to put up with advertising.
Its a third party contract, solicited door to door like any other sales scam.
Its not a crime to evade fraud.
Its ridiculous a court system is requesting people to show up over a bussiness deal that didnt happen.
Im curious how this guy ended up in court in the first place....
Never answer your door to strangers.

... the rest of us will continue to prop you up.
You're welcome.

hooradiation

Torakx wrote: »

Holy crap! theresa tv chanel without ads! lol never thought id see the day.Whats the catch?
You have to pay for a licence and have to watch their channel? haha

In the UK you can opt out of the TV license if you want. You write to them, tell them you've no intention of using your television to watch live broadcasts (which includes live broadcasts on iPlayer) and they go "fine, but we reserve the right to come and check to see if you're a lying shit."

Or you can just pay it, because the BBC is pretty fucking great.

Doctor Strange

hooradiation wrote: »

In the UK you can opt out of the TV license if you want. You write to them, tell them you've no intention of using your television to watch live broadcasts (which includes live broadcasts on iPlayer) and they go "fine, but we reserve the right to come and check to see if you're a lying shit."

Or you can just pay it, because the BBC is pretty fucking great.

I'd happily pay a licence fee to BBC. Stuff like Wonders of The Universe/Life alone justifies it.

Aquarius34

Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »

I'd happily pay a licence fee to BBC. Stuff like Wonders of The Universe/Life alone justifies it.

And of course the BBC media never tell lies!!!!!!!! eh.....

Aquarius34

hooradiation wrote: »

Or you can just pay it, because the BBC is pretty fucking great.

Hhahahahahahaha.. Laughs out loud. Of course the BBC are always there to inform us and tell us the truth. Oh my stomach....

hooradiation

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Hhahahahahahaha.. Laughs out loud. Of course the BBC are always there to inform us and tell us the truth. Oh my stomach....

They also make Dr. Who

Checkmate, chuckles.

Aquarius34

hooradiation wrote: »

They also make Dr. Who

Checkmate, chuckles.

I couldn't even sit to play chess with you, I'd be on my sides laughing.

I dont watch T.V... So you've lost the game of chess there.

hooradiation

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I dont watch T.V... .

Your loss.

Aquarius34

hooradiation wrote: »

Your proclivity towards hysteria is well known.

I know, it's because I don't believe in bull****.

Torakx

JustinDee wrote: »

... the rest of us will continue to prop you up.
You're welcome.

haha! You arent propping ME up anyway.
I genuinely dont watch those channels, I literally dont have a tv,just a pc desktop, which is used for forums,3d design,skype etc.
I watch the odd american show and mostly online documentaries if anything.
All your doing is voluntary bussiness contracts with a third party.
Nothing at all to do me with, thats your business.
But if you spent more time researching than watching tv you may have already known alo of this and not needed to pay a third party.
Why dont you send a letter to the government and request that your tv licence be paid directly to the government of Ireland?
Next you will be telling me you opt to pay a third party for your water. O.o

hooradiation

Torakx wrote: »

haha! You arent propping ME up anyway.
I genuinely dont watch those channels, I literally dont have a tv,just a pc desktop, which is used for forums,3d design,skype etc.
I watch the odd american show and mostly online documentaries if anything.
All your doing is voluntary bussiness contracts with a third party.
Nothing at all to do me with, thats your business.
But if you spent more time researching than watching tv you may have already known alo of this and not needed to pay a third party.
Why dont you send a letter to the government and request that your tv licence be paid directly to the government of Ireland?
Next you will be telling me you opt to pay a third party for your water. O.o

I'm pretty sure that under Irish law you're required to pay the Tv License, even if all you have is a "desktop PC".

Also, the money collected from that fee goes on more than just the two RTE television channels, you should probably have a full look into what it funds. Some of it is pretty worthwhile, even if it's not "for you".

Torakx

First of all I am not the one entertaining court.Its the guy mentioned in the OP.
If somebody else here wants to make business with another party that is their business.
Im not obligated to make any contracts.However I may be pressured at times in my life,that does not mean obligated.

Do you mean criminal law or legislative law?

Also to whoever said you can write them a letter to let them know in advance you dont have a tv.
That would be telling them you want to make a contract of some kind.
Not sure why I would bother to send some random company a letter when we dont have any business.
And I dont want to do business.

Another random thought.
If you are buying a licence, that means you can use their product for comercial business right?
Why else do you buy any licence?
I dont make money off any products of my own or anyone elses unfortunately.I have no need to licence out their material/products, let alone send them a letter of intent.

More on topic hough, I would be still interested to hear how this guy gets on in court.
Its a pretty interestign angle being used, I dont think effective, but interesting.
LOL I just thought about the word court.hmm courting... sounds like what you do when you go in.

hooradiation

Torakx wrote: »

First of all I am not the one entertaining court.Its the guy mentioned in the OP.
If somebody else here wants to make business with another party that is their business.
Im not obligated to make any contracts.However I may be pressured at times in my life,that does not mean obligated.

If you have a device that is judged to be capable of decoding a television signal, then you are obligated to pay the license, check the broadcasting act 2009.
Assuming you're in Ireland, that is.

Torakx wrote: »

Also to whoever said you can write them a letter to let them know in advance you dont have a tv.
That would be telling them you want to make a contract of some kind.
Not sure why I would bother to send some random company a letter when we dont have any business.
And I dont want to do business.

Because taking advantage of the ability to opt out would be the sensible thing to do if you wish to not pay. Certainly easier than pretending rules you don't like do not apply to you.

Torakx wrote: »

Another random thought.
If you are buying a licence, that means you can use their product for comercial business right?
Why else do you buy any licence?
I dont make money off any products of my own or anyone elses unfortunately.I have no need to licence out their material/products, let alone send them a letter of intent.

This does not appear to be correct.
License means to give permission, the noun covers the permission granted and also the documentation of the same.
So, for example a marriage license authorises a couple to marry - it does not give you access to a product (what product?)to use for business, unless you have a very old fashioned view on marriage
Likewise, a driving license shows you're legally allowed to drive, it has nothing to do with using a product
(again in this case, what product?) for commercial business.

Torakx

Acts are based on the law.That does not make them laws.
Supermario borthers is baesed on plumbers, it doesnt make them actual qualified plumbers, although you could try to say they should be allowed to work on your sink.
The courts can make all the claims they like.However if no crime has been commited, I dont see the problem or obligations.
Maybe you are correct about the licence not exactly being to use a product.
I consider marriage a product of religion and state.

The legislations made and being acted upon are business related through courts.
You dont have to court third party businesses ussually.

studiorat

Aquarius34 wrote: »

And of course the BBC media never tell lies!!!!!!!! eh.....

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I dont watch T.V... So you've lost the game of chess there.

So how does someone who doesn't watch TV know the what the BBC are doing?

Torakx

studiorat wrote: »

So how does someone who doesn't watch TV know the what the BBC are doing?

Youtube and forums like this.

Aquarius34

hooradiation wrote: »

Your loss.

lol... I have never missed it... I'd take a hobby in smashing T.Vs If I could.. I call it the idiot box. That piece of crap to brainwash and program peoples minds. It's all noise, distraction and bad energy. The new plazma T.V give off bad EMFs too. So having no T.V in the house is all good for me.

Aquarius34

studiorat wrote: »

So how does someone who doesn't watch TV know the what the BBC are doing?

I have been on the planet for quite some time, let's just say I have seen a T.V before. I mean even for the fact I don't own one, I see them everywhere these days. They even put them some restaurants now. There are in train stations, gyms and quite a lot of office buildings.

I think the real question is why are there so many T.Vs...... They want to inform us with lies and bull****. They have to keep trying to hypnotize the human race yanno.

Aquarius34

Torakx wrote: »

Youtube and forums like this.

And I hear people constantly talking about T.V. I try to switch off when they talk about it. When I get into a car, the radio goes off. I can't listen to it. Silence is so much better or good quality music.

hooradiation

Aquarius34 wrote: »

lol... I have never missed it... I'd take a hobby in smashing T.Vs If I could.. I call it the idiot box. That piece of crap to brainwash and program peoples minds. It's all noise, distraction and bad energy. The new plazma T.V give off bad EMFs too. So having no T.V in the house is all good for me.

It's simply a medium. Prescribing anything more to it only serves to highlight your own misconceptions and biases.

Torakx wrote: »

Acts are based on the law.That does not make them laws.

I do not understand the distinction you are trying to make. This is most likely because one does not exist.
This is beginning to read a lot like the so called "freeman" scam.

That is disappointing.

JustinDee

Torakx wrote: »

haha! You arent propping ME up anyway.
I genuinely dont watch those channels, I literally dont have a tv,just a pc desktop, which is used for forums,3d design,skype etc.
I watch the odd american show and mostly online documentaries if anything.
All your doing is voluntary bussiness contracts with a third party.
Nothing at all to do me with, thats your business.
But if you spent more time researching than watching tv you may have already known alo of this and not needed to pay a third party.
Why dont you send a letter to the government and request that your tv licence be paid directly to the government of Ireland?
Next you will be telling me you opt to pay a third party for your water. O.o

Don't presume others are just empty-headed drones, fella, just because they pursue other forms of entertainment, especially if you have not one jot of what they actually watch, like or dislike.
I'm sure you never once access anything delivered by the national broadcaster? Everything you access is kosher and entirely legally accessed with no rights or copyrights breached.
How perfect.

Aquarius34

hooradiation wrote: »

It's simply a medium. Prescribing anything more to it only serves to highlight your own misconceptions and biases.

I have my own mind, medium and brain. I don't need an idiot box to drill my mind with sh!t.

JustinDee

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I have my own mind, medium and brain. I don't need an idiot box to drill my mind with sh!t.

No, you use a search engine, cherry-pick the "sh!t" that suits you and let that "drill your mind".

Believe it or not, you might not be as perfect as you think and even possibly not as content as you let on. Other people you deem your mighty self above in the survivalist stakes may actually be able to think for themselves also.

Corkfeen

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I have been on the planet for quite some time, let's just say I have seen a T.V before. I mean even for the fact I don't own one, I see them everywhere these days. They even put them some restaurants now. There are in train stations, gyms and quite a lot of office buildings.

I think the real question is why are there so many T.Vs...... They want to inform us with lies and bull****. They have to keep trying to hypnotize the human race yanno.

That's like saying 'why are there so many books?'. TV is one of many mediums of entertainment and education. Admittedly, there is a lot of shíte on tv, particularly the proliferation of reality tv and the decline of the history channel.:pac: But you could say the very same thing about books. But that doesn't mean that there is nothing of quality in books or on tv. The Wire, Breaking Bad and Planet Earth are masterpieces. It is entirely dependent upon how you utilise them. Youtube is also full of drivel btw but it also has some rather brilliant videos. You just can't discount a medium in such a reductive way.

Aquarius34

JustinDee wrote: »

No, you use a search engine, cherry-pick the "sh!t" that suits you and let that "drill your mind".

Believe it or not, you might not be as perfect as you think and even possibly not as content.

Actually I don't even use search engines anymore, so yeah you're talking through arse there!!!!

I never proclaimed to be perfect, would you lay it off.... Since where does term perfection have to come into the equation. T.V is a pile of crap designed to program and dos-ify the human race. Hence, why you hear the words PROGRAMMING, REMOTE CONTROL, CHANNEL, CHANNELLING,

Aquarius34

Corkfeen wrote: »

That's like saying 'why are there so many books?'. TV is one of many mediums of entertainment and education. Admittedly, there is a lot of shíte on tv, particularly the proliferation of reality tv and the decline of the history channel.:pac: But you could say the very same thing about books. But that doesn't mean that there is nothing of quality in books or on tv. The Wire, Breaking Bad and Planet Earth are masterpieces. It is entirely dependent upon how you utilise them. Youtube is also full of drivel btw but it also has some rather brilliant videos. You just can't discount a medium in such a reductive way.

Seriously this isn't even an argument to me. It's the most ridiculous device invented. TELE-VISION. The device to program the minds of those who spend countless hours watching it. I agree too, about a lot of books been all brainwashing too. I don't read books.

Which comes to my next point, people need to find the medium within themselves and realise their own brains can access higher awareness, consciousness and modes of thought that most humans are not yet in tune with.

Of course you won't understand that, most humans don't because humans don't know how to live or function without all this crap.

Turn all the devices off for a week and you;ll be amazed at what you will learn and how your mind starts to work differently and dare I say it efficiently.

JustinDee

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Actually I don't even use search engines anymore, so yeah you're talking through arse there!!!!

No, of course you don't. You don't acquiesce to any greater corporation at all, even using the internet . . .

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I never proclaimed to be perfect, would lay it off.... Since where does term perfection have to come into the equation

Pontificating to others while proclaiming alleged non-participation in any form of mass media would suggest otherwise.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

T.V is a pile of crap designed to program and dos-ify the human race. Hence, why you hear the words PROGRAMMING, REMOTE CONTROL, CHANNEL, CHANNELLING,

Its obviously working as you type an Americanised version of the word 'programme' and then invent a Henry Rollins-type word like "dos-ify".

Have you ever studied any of Gestalt's theories on human behaviour. The basic tenet of much of his research is based around human character is a result of interaction with other stimuli. Really quite interesting and believe it or not, you or anyone else is no exception to this, again as evident in these posts.

JustinDee

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Seriously this isn't even an argument to me. It's the most ridiculous device invented. TELE-VISION. The device to program the minds of those who spend countless hours watching it. I agree too, about a lot of books been all brainwashing too. I don't read books

Rubbish, as is your claim that you do not read.

Aquarius34

JustinDee wrote: »

Rubbish, as is your claim that you do not read.

I can read, but I don't read books. I question what I read, I choose as to what I want to read, I read blogs, I read conversations, I converse, I communicate, I discern, I observe and I suss out what I don't need to take in, with my bull**** detector.

Aquarius34

JustinDee wrote: »

No, of course you don't. You don't acquiesce to any greater corporation at all, even using the internet . . .



Its obviously working as you type an Americanised version of the word 'programme' and then invent a Henry Rollins-type word like "dos-ify".

lol.....Oh deary me.

Have you ever studied any of Gestalt's theories on human behaviour. The basic tenet of much of his research is based around human character is a result of interaction with other stimuli. Really quite interesting and believe it or not, you or anyone else is no exception to this, again as evident in these posts.

rofl.

JustinDee

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I can read, but I don't read books. I question what I read, I choose as to what I want to read, I read blogs, I read conversations, I converse, I communicate, I discern, I observe and I suss out what I don't need to take in, with my bull**** detector.

Everyone else filters stimuli too. That's my point. You are arrogantly deluded if you think yourself better than everyone else, especially people you have no iota of, just for existing and thinking.
I'm sure these blogs and conversations (blogs are basically just solo forums) are truly enlightening and light years ahead of anything I might read of see. Congratulations.

JustinDee

Aquarius34 wrote: »

lol.....Oh deary me.

rofl.

Popular Internet bad-English via lazy acronyms.
You did claim that you were not "programmed", didn't you?
That old Gestalt again ...

Aquarius34

JustinDee wrote: »

Everyone else filters stimuli too. That's my point. You are arrogantly deluded if you think yourself better than everyone else, especially people you have no iota of, just for existing and thinking.
I'm sure these blogs and conversations (blogs are basically just solo forums) are truly enlightening and light years ahead of anything I might read of see. Congratulations.

I am just not rising to the bait, it's like you're making up your own arguments as you go along. I don't read books and I don't watch T.V. You've gotten yourself in a knickers twist over nothing.

JustinDee

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I am just not rising to the bait, it's like you're making up your own arguments as you go along. I don't read books and I don't watch T.V

And I don't believe you when you say this. Equally as presumptuous as you claiming that everyone else is some form of sheep. This isn't a made-up argument. You claim to be impervious to certain forms of mass media yet are plainly and obviously influenced by other forms of it.
Punktum.

Aquarius34

JustinDee wrote: »

And I don't believe you when you say this. Equally as presumptuous as you claiming that everyone else is some form of sheep. This isn't a made-up argument. You claim to be impervious to certain forms of mass media yet are plainly and obviously influenced by other forms of it.
Punktum.

I am not claiming to anything. I also don't care if you don't believe me. I am not influenced by any of it, because I am aware of it and mindful as to what I do with my life and choices. I have been programmed and victim to cons and brainwashing in the past. We all have. But I have learned and I learned the hard way with quite a lot of things. It seems you're really bitter that I have that extra awareness.

Suit yourself on what you believe about me, what you believe about me doesn't change or affect my life or what choices I've made or will make.

Torakx

JustinDee wrote: »

Don't presume others are just empty-headed drones, fella, just because they pursue other forms of entertainment, especially if you have not one jot of what they actually watch, like or dislike.
I'm sure you never once access anything delivered by the national broadcaster? Everything you access is kosher and entirely legally accessed with no rights or copyrights breached.
How perfect.

Lets try not to get personal then.
You dont prop me up in any way.And im not sorry if my kosher life interferes with your judgements ^^

My point was simply that and if you wish to know why exactly, you could turn off your tv and do some online research.
I didnt lie or make presumptions.You wont learn this stuff from a tv set ussually.
Your free to watch what you want.
I should be free to speak my beliefs based on my research.
If I had said it was a theory you would just get more worked up...
If you will relax and discuss theories I will be happy to switch from belief to theory.
Make a choice and we can go with it, I dont mind.
Just here for a good chat.

Also I wouldnt mind hearing your CT in relation to this.

Bruthal

hooradiation wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that under Irish law you're required to pay the Tv License, even if all you have is a "desktop PC".

Id be fairly sure you dont. The pc does not receive television broadcasts really, unless it has a tuning card.

If/when it becomes the broadcasting tax, then we likely will.

In essence, it is an rte tax that they want absolutely every premises to pay, regardless of any link what so ever with ever using the service. So they will encompass every single device that they can, to ensure all are netted.

A change of name from tv licence to broadcasting charge would be part of that all encompassing strategy.

Aquarius34

Torakx wrote: »

Lets try not to get personal then.
You dont prop me up in any way.And im not sorry if my kosher life interferes with your judgements ^^

My point was simply that and if you wish to know why exactly, you could turn off your tv and do some online research.
I didnt lie or make presumptions.You wont learn this stuff from a tv set ussually.
Your free to watch what you want.
I should be free to speak my beliefs based on my research.
If I had said it was a theory you would just get more worked up...
If you will relax and discuss theories I will be happy to switch from belief to theory.
Make a choice and we can go with it, I dont mind.
Just here for a good chat.

Also I wouldnt mind hearing your CT in relation to this.

Shlap shlap and straight to the point You totally put it right so eloquently! haha brillant.

hooradiation

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I am just not rising to the bait, it's like you're making up your own arguments as you go along. I don't read books and I don't watch T.V. You've gotten yourself in a knickers twist over nothing.

The problem isn't your self imposed ignorance of certain mediums because of flimsy reasons, it's your belief that these are wise choices and ought to be adopted by everyone.

That said, traditionally boasting "I don't read books" is the calling card of the wilfully ignorant, so I'm not really that convinced on the effectiveness of your strategy. Being discerning about the media you consume would seem to be wiser than having a blanket ban, even if it is a little bit harder to do and requires you to put actual effort in on occasion.

JustinDee

Torakx wrote: »

Lets try not to get personal then.
You dont prop me up in any way.And im not sorry if my kosher life interferes with your judgements ^^

My point was simply that and if you wish to know why exactly, you could turn off your tv and do some online research.
I didnt lie or make presumptions.You wont learn this stuff from a tv set ussually.
Your free to watch what you want.
I should be free to speak my beliefs based on my research.
If I had said it was a theory you would just get more worked up...
If you will relax and discuss theories I will be happy to switch from belief to theory.
Make a choice and we can go with it, I dont mind.
Just here for a good chat

Playing the victim then pontificating doesn't really boost anything you're saying.
You are indeed free to speak your mind. Credibility on some of your claims however is at a premium. Sorry but that's how it reads.

Torakx wrote: »

Also I wouldnt mind hearing your CT in relation to this.

There isn't one. As was pointed out in the first place.

Aquarius34

hooradiation wrote: »

The problem isn't your self imposed ignorance of certain mediums because of flimsy reasons, it's your belief that these are wise choices and ought to be adopted by everyone.

That said, traditionally boasting "I don't read books" is the calling card of the wilfully ignorant, so I'm not really that convinced on the effectiveness of your strategy. Being discerning about the media you consume would seem to be wiser than having a blanket ban, even if it is a little bit harder to do and requires you to put actual effort in on occasion.

:D Oh you make me chuckle. You sure like to make a lot of assumptions and it's almost as if you're desperately trying to mould and judge me to fit your own twisted view of me.

I don't watch t.v I don't listen to the MSM, It's all bull**** and it's bad for ya, as George Carlin used to say.:)

hooradiation

Aquarius34 wrote: »

:D Oh you make me chuckle. You sure like to make a lot of assumptions and it's almost as if you're desperately trying to mould and judge me to fit your own twisted view of me.

I don't watch t.v I don't listen to the MSM, It's all bull**** and it's bad for ya, as George Carlin used to say.:)

Limiting your sources of information and entertainment on an utterly arbitrary basis is ultimately self defeating.
You stunt your ability to learn, to be exposed to different ideas.

Touting it as an enlightened view is simply lauding cowardice, an truly awful stance.