Coyotes blocking access to the Footpath at night ?

muppetkiller

Just wondering if this is a new thing , was picking my girlfriend up from the Coach Station and when we got as far as the front of Coyotes, The bouncers had blocked off access to the footpath with Barriers (That coral people from Eyre Square direction into their premises) ? Forcing us on to the Road with our Heavy bags.
Surely this isn't legal for one thing but just wondering if it's been going on long ?

snubbleste

Complain to the Roads section stating that a commercial premises closed off a footpath without authorisation at such a time and place.
http://www.galwaycity.ie/AllServices/RoadsandTraffic/

If you want to know if it is a 'new thing', call the commercial premises in question.

Victor

Complain to council planning / roads departments.

repsol

muppetkiller wrote: »

Just wondering if this is a new thing , was picking my girlfriend up from the Coach Station and when we got as far as the front of Coyotes The bouncers had blocked off access to the footpath with Barriers (That coral people from Eyre Square direction into their premises) ? Forcing us on to the Road with our Heavy bags.
Surely this isn't legal for one thing but just wondering if it's been going on long ?

"Trip" over one of them.They are illegal.;)

muppetkiller

repsol wrote: »

"Trip" over one of them.They are illegal.;)

Well I'll see you there tonight so, I'll need a witness

Curly Judge

Coyotes blocking access to the Footpath at night ?

You had me going there for a minute!
I was about to don my coonskin hat and grab my night sights until I read through it.

The last time I got caught like that was when one of the local papers ran a headline: Hitler starts row in pub
It turned out to be a tiff between two old inebriated codgers arguing about the finer points of the Second World War.

muppetkiller

Curly Judge wrote: »

Coyotes blocking access to the Footpath at night ?

You had me going there for a minute!
I was about to don my coonskin hat and grab my night sights until I read through it.

The last time I got caught like that was when one of the local papers ran a headline: Hitler starts row in pub
It turned out to be a tiff between two old inebriated codgers arguing about the finer points of the Second World War.

Lol I try my Best
I've emailed Galway City Council to see what they say.

fishy fishy

let us know the outcome.

muppetkiller

I wish to acknowledge receipt of your email which I have forwarded to Marcus Keane, Community Warden Supervisor.

Quick reply from them to be fair.

Time

muppetkiller wrote: »

I wish to acknowledge receipt of your email which I have forwarded to Marcus Keane, Community Warden Supervisor.

Quick reply from them to be fair.

I'm still waiting back on a response from Mr Keane since the middle of last year!

snubbleste

You should complain Time

Dealing with written and electronic correspondence
We will endeavour to acknowledge within five working days all written and electronic correspondence and indicate the timeframe for issuing an interim/final reply.
A contact name, number and reference number will be provided with all correspondence http://www.galwaycity.ie/AllServices/CorporateServices/Publications/FileEnglish,1065,en.pdf

Mrs OBumble

muppetkiller wrote: »

Surely this isn't legal for one thing but just wondering if it's been going on long ?

Yes it is illegal (AFAIK).

Not it is not new.

I_smell_fear

I'm no fan of Coyotes in general as it's a bit of a dive, but stepping off the footpath onto the road for about 10 yards is hardly the worlds biggest inconvenience! "First World Problems" gets bandied about a lot, but here it is pretty appropriate. Having said that, I actually admire your energy to be able to complain about such triviality.

muppetkiller

I_smell_fear wrote: »

I'm no fan of Coyotes in general as it's a bit of a dive, but stepping off the footpath onto the road for about 10 yards is hardly the worlds biggest inconvenience! "First World Problems" gets bandied about a lot, but here it is pretty appropriate. Having said that, I actually admire your energy to be able to complain about such triviality.

So what if a drunk on his way home walks straight out onto the road to avoid the barriers and gets killed by a car ? Hardly Trivial ?

soundbyte

What about wheelchair users or those with sight impairments?

snubbleste

This is clearly a ploy to guide every passer-by into the named establishment :cool:

muppetkiller

snubbleste wrote: »

This is clearly a ploy to guide every passer-by into the named establishment :cool:

Actually I was trying to figure it out and I think it's a method for keeping the smoking customers off the road. But it then pushes pedestrians onto the road instead.

snubbleste

Smokers you say.. that's even worse!!

connemara man

Doesnt carbon do the same thing?

confuseddotcom

muppetkiller wrote: »

I wish to acknowledge receipt of your email which I have forwarded to Marcus Keane, Community Warden Supervisor.

Quick reply from them to be fair.

Meh, I reckon that's just a bog-standard automated reply. You could be waiting a while for a real reply I would say.

I_smell_fear wrote: »

I'm no fan of Coyotes in general as it's a bit of a dive, but stepping off the footpath onto the road for about 10 yards is hardly the worlds biggest inconvenience! "First World Problems" gets bandied about a lot, but here it is pretty appropriate. Having said that, I actually admire your energy to be able to complain about such triviality.

What about a family with young toddlers walking and a buggy (ies,)
A wheelchair user,
Physically-challenged people,
Sight-impaired people.
A large group walking along that stretch that have to go off the footpath un-necessarily.

It's far more of an in-convenience if they don't have permission to take up that space one yard or ten.

I_smell_fear

Okay, I am proven wrong. I now understand the huge importance of this issue....TO THE PENTAGON!

BhoscaCapall

lol so you'd rather they take the barriers away so you can try and navigate your suitcase past a massive queue of drunk people?

Just cross the road. Jesus christ.

inisboffin

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Just cross the road. Jesus christ.

Both sides of the road can be nuts, think the Púcan is the one spilling out a lot. Hard to cross the road with big cases at the best of time. I think tourists fare the worst though.

swiftman

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

lol so you'd rather they take the barriers away so you can try and navigate your suitcase past a massive queue of drunk people?

massive queue going into coyotes? hardly!

Kevmorr

muppetkiller wrote: »

Just wondering if this is a new thing , was picking my girlfriend up from the Coach Station and when we got as far as the front of Coyotes, The bouncers had blocked off access to the footpath with Barriers (That coral people from Eyre Square direction into their premises) ? Forcing us on to the Road with our Heavy bags.
Surely this isn't legal for one thing but just wondering if it's been going on long ?

All the nightclubs in Galway city put barriers out at elevan pm during the student week on instruction from the guards to have orderly and safe queues goin into the clubs.there are barriers outside karma,Bentley,carbon,club k,central park and coyotes.it really is not an inconvenience only for someone who likes to complain about nothing.i could also point out that the same thing happens in Athlon e,Sligo .letterkenny,limerick and indeed most student towns.

Gremlinertia

However usually speaking the barriers do not impede the entire footpath in every case except coyotes, they have a very narrow path to deal with though, i make no case except night time disabled access is hard outside coyotes. And yes, i have had to try avail of this at times.

paddydriver

I_smell_fear wrote: »

Okay, I am proven wrong. I now understand the huge importance of this issue....TO THE PENTAGON!

Think they're talking Galway... if you want to take it to the Pentagon then best of luck to ye. Go off troll there instead.

Iwannahurl

muppetkiller wrote: »

I wish to acknowledge receipt of your email which I have forwarded to Marcus Keane, Community Warden Supervisor.

Quick reply from them to be fair.

That was from Customer Service, I'll bet. Very efficient, no clout.

Please let us know if/when you get a response from the responsible department.

Iwannahurl

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

lol so you'd rather they take the barriers away so you can try and navigate your suitcase past a massive queue of drunk people?

Just cross the road. Jesus christ.

Remove both hazards, I say. Drunks don't own the city, and businesses don't own the footpaths.

I was out and about last night and I was stunned by the ridiculous speed of cars on Market Street and Dominick Street. Crossing the road in front of traffic is a hazard.

muppetkiller

Gremlinertia wrote: »

However usually speaking the barriers do not impede the entire footpath in every case except coyotes, they have a very narrow path to deal with though, i make no case except night time disabled access is hard outside coyotes. And yes, i have had to try avail of this at times.

Correct the reason I raised it is that Coyotes take over the entire footpath.
Carbon run it along the middle of the footpath, so there is room for people to walk by.

muppetkiller

Kevmorr wrote: »

All the nightclubs in Galway city put barriers out at elevan pm during the student week on instruction from the guards to have orderly and safe queues goin into the clubs.there are barriers outside karma,Bentley,carbon,club k,central park and coyotes.it really is not an inconvenience only for someone who likes to complain about nothing.i could also point out that the same thing happens in Athlon e,Sligo .letterkenny,limerick and indeed most student towns.

You joined up to make that post ? How's business down there :P

Fey!

Time wrote: »

I'm still waiting back on a response from Mr Keane since the middle of last year!

I can top that by a year!!! When you ring he's always just stepped out, and when you call to city hall to find him he's always on annual leave. Not a great man for answering correspondance at all.

Mrs OBumble

Gremlinertia wrote: »

However usually speaking the barriers do not impede the entire footpath in every case except coyotes, they have a very narrow path to deal with though

Same problem happens outside the nightclub that looks like a public toilet in Abbeygate St, too. Again a very narrow footpath.

Personally I'd always be on the other side, to avoid having to mingle with the drunken tr*** queueing to get into the meatworks.

Time

Fey! wrote: »

I can top that by a year!!! When you ring he's always just stepped out, and when you call to city hall to find him he's always on annual leave. Not a great man for answering correspondance at all.

Exactly! I called up there before and apparently he was in a meeting, i refused to leave until i spoke to him. Surprise, surprise he was suddenly available and told me i'd hear back in a week or so. Still waiting a few months later. Maybe a complaint to HR and the county manager might help.

BhoscaCapall

Gremlinertia wrote: »

However usually speaking the barriers do not impede the entire footpath in every case except coyotes, they have a very narrow path to deal with though, i make no case except night time disabled access is hard outside coyotes. And yes, i have had to try avail of this at times.

Disabled access to where? Just use the other side, or wait til the traffic (which is minimal, and slow at this time) clears and use the road briefly.

The entire world can't pander to you.

beeintheknow

muppetkiller wrote: »

You joined up to make that post ? How's business down there :P

Everything he said is completely valid.

kraggy

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Disabled access to where? Just use the other side, or wait til the traffic (which is minimal, and slow at this time) clears and use the road briefly.

The entire world can't pander to you.

Dont be such a prick. Assuming that the poster in question is in a wheelchair, lets take an example of him or her trying to get from the Fairgreen carpark to Eyre Square. It's a bloody wide road to get across to the St. Patricks church side with no pedestrian crossing going over directly.

Even if there were, no club nor it's pissed clientele should take precedence over a disabled person. it's a public walkway, not some private business's red carpet.

BhoscaCapall

kraggy wrote: »

Even if there were, no club nor it's pissed clientele should take precedence over a disabled person. it's a public walkway, not some private business's red carpet.

Yes they should. Hundreds of customers at a Galway business do take precedence over one person wanting to use a few metres of one specific side of a pavement. I don't care if they're disabled or not because I don't discriminate like that.

Like I said, get rid of the barriers if you want. Good luck navigating your wheelchair through the large unruly queue of people that will still be there anyway.

Literally moaning because a Galway establishment has a lot of customers. What are you lot like... absolutely insufferable.

MaxFlower

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Disabled access to where? Just use the other side, or wait til the traffic (which is minimal, and slow at this time) clears and use the road briefly.

The entire world can't pander to you.

Maybe Coyotes could move the queue to the road. If it's good enough for the pedestrians.....

Iwannahurl

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Yes they should. Hundreds of customers at a Galway business do take precedence over one person wanting to use a few metres of one specific side of a pavement. I don't care if they're disabled or not because I don't discriminate like that.

Like I said, get rid of the barriers if you want. Good luck navigating your wheelchair through the large unruly queue of people that will still be there anyway.

Literally moaning because a Galway establishment has a lot of customers. What are you lot like... absolutely insufferable.

A very Irish attitude all round.

I spent some time in Melbourne last year, and I saw their various enforcement regimes at first hand. There was a popular local cafe I used to visit which had chairs and tables outside on the pavement, and I noticed that they were meticulous to the point of obsession with keeping things in order because if they were to obstruct the pavement the council would be down on them like a ton of bricks.

Same thing applied to safety provision for pedestrians around construction sites. All well-regulated and conscientiously implemented.

I once asked construction workers in Galway to stop blocking the footpath along a busy road where speeding is endemic. They just sneered and told me that nobody, including the City Council, was going to do anything about it because "there's too much money being made here".

BhoscaCapall

MaxFlower wrote: »

Maybe Coyotes could move the queue to the road. If it's good enough for the pedestrians.....

Did you actually think you were making a good point here?

Iwannahurl wrote: »

A very Irish attitude all round.

I presume you are referring to the "moan about absolutely f***ing anything" attitude on show in this thread. In fairness it's more a Boards thing than an Irish thing. Quick someone write a letter to the council!!

daithi1970

I remember a few years ago Java's had a table on their front footpath and the council told them sharpish to remove it-the table didn't last for too long....i think that the path was narrowed to prevent a recurrence, as well.

daithi

inisboffin

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Yes they should. Hundreds of customers at a Galway business do take precedence over one person wanting to use a few metres of one specific side of a pavement. I don't care if they're disabled or not because I don't discriminate like that.
.

But they're not just blocking it from one, they're blocking it from everyone.
And the business is inside - not on the pavement.
Money talks I suppose, as in this town café tables (that you can walk past) get confiscated, but entire footpaths can be blocked by *some*

2rkehij30qtza5

Unless Coyotes have a specific license to block this public footpath, then what they are doing is illegal.

They must be in compliance with S254 of the Planning and Development Act 2000.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/act/pub/0030/sec0254.html

OP I suggest you write to PLANNING CONTROL in the City Council and not a traffic warden. This is a Planning Control issue.

ETA: physical letter as opposed to email too.

Iwannahurl

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

I presume you are referring to the "moan about absolutely f***ing anything" attitude on show in this thread. In fairness it's more a Boards thing than an Irish thing. Quick someone write a letter to the council!!

No, moaning about moaning is a Boards thing.

The Irish attitude I was referring to is the aggressive disregard for proper regulation and the rights of others.

All in the name of 'craic' of course, in this case. Let's not let anything get in the way of boozing, doing whatever we feel like and fumbling in the greasy till.

daithi1970 wrote: »

I remember a few years ago Java's had a table on their front footpath and the council told them sharpish to remove it-the table didn't last for too long....i think that the path was narrowed to prevent a recurrence, as well.

daithi

As it happens I am all in favour of having tables outside cafes and restaurants. The weather mightn't be very conducive a lot of the time, but in my opinion outside tables add considerably to the attraction and liveliness of a place like Galway, which for its size is really well supplied with eateries of a high standard.

The win-win solution is to maximise the space available for pedestrians, most especially because they're the ones who will browse, linger and stop to spend some time (and a bit of their money).

juan.kerr

Any progress on this, OP?

Zzippy

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Yes they should. Hundreds of customers at a Galway business do take precedence over one person wanting to use a few metres of one specific side of a pavement. I don't care if they're disabled or not because I don't discriminate like that.

Like I said, get rid of the barriers if you want. Good luck navigating your wheelchair through the large unruly queue of people that will still be there anyway.

Literally moaning because a Galway establishment has a lot of customers. What are you lot like... absolutely insufferable.

So someone in a wheelchair comes along, and can't get past this barrier. How are they supposed to get around it? The kerb there doesn't have any ramps to get onto the road. So they're supposed to go all the way back to the junction at the new bus station and cross there and use the other footpath? Just so a nightclub can use the footpath for its customers???

I don't care if they're disabled

You've a very warped sense of right and wrong tbh...

BhoscaCapall

Why did the chicken cross the road?

WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TO?!!?!

Mrs OBumble

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Yes they should. Hundreds of customers at a Galway business do take precedence over one person wanting to use a few metres of one specific side of a pavement. I don't care if they're disabled or not because I don't discriminate like that.

Ahh, no they don't.

And actually, it's not about people with disabilities, it's about breaking the law. The law says that a business cannot close off the footpath outside, end of discussion. If they want to provide queueing space, let them do it inside their own premises.

FWIW, at 11pm I'd be far more concerned about older tourists wandering back to the Park House than about wheelchair users. They're worth far more to the city than the kids who get loaded at home, put their underwear on (girls), and queue outside Coyotes.

MaxFlower

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Did you actually think you were making a good point here?

No I didn't, that was the point (which is on a par with any you've made tbh).

Gremlinertia

Bloody hell.. Disabled access was not my priority point - the complete blockage of the footpath was. Thankfully other posters on this thread have much better knowledge than me of various laws and were able to quote these.