€10k damages for getting thrown off the DART

MadsL

A MAN who claimed he was assaulted and dragged off a DART train by security has been awarded €10,000 damages by the High Court.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-who-was-dragged-off-dart-by-security-wins-10k-in-damages-29068267.html

How do you end up in hospital for four days with wrist injuries?

Cookie_Monster

Mr Gray, he said, had been drinking on top of taking methadone

Seems like a perfectly good reason to force-ably boot him off the train.

MadsL

Next time I am stoned and pissed, I must remember to remind those around me that I am "vulnerable in relation to his my balance"

IM0

and this needs a thread because?

MadsL

IM0 wrote: »

and this needs a thread because?

and you need to comment because?

plenty of other threads thattaway ---> or thattaway ^^^

Try not to let the door hit your arse on the way out.

IM0

MadsL wrote: »

and you need to comment because?

plenty of other threads thattaway ---> or thattaway ^^^

Try not to let the door hit your arse on the way out.

anyone can post any news story they find on the net, but this isnt a news forum and you havent actually added anything to it either plus you have dropped in a random point of why someone would spend 4 days in hospital fora broken wrist

hames

Why does the paper name Mr Gray, a methadone user against whom the greater wrong was committed, and not name the perpetrator of the wrongful and deleterious action?

OP Mr Gray did not just make this 'claim', it was upheld by the Court. Therefore, before the gaze of the law, fear not! It Happened.

Gray's hand was not just injured at the time of the confrontation, btw, he suffers an ongoing damage.

Neeldess to say, the damages were not awarded for 'being thrown off the Dart'; it was for this continuous damage.

The premise for the thread is misleading.

mikemac1

hames wrote: »

Why does the paper name Mr Gray, a methadone user against whom the greater wrong was committed, and not name the perpetrator of the wrongful and deleterious action?

He didn't sue an individual security guard.

He sued the deep pockets of Irish Rail and STT.
So the companies go to court

Mr Gray (45), Mount Talbot Court, Dublin, had sued Iarnrod Eireann and STT Risk Management Ltd

B.A._Baracus

I'll be the one to say it ... the guy who sued was a junkie. He worked the legal system to net himself a nice 10 grand.

But I am torn on the subject. For the record I am not an asshole, but if I was to slap (actually only slap a person) they would likely sue me. Claiming some sort of an injury. We live in some messed up world. In this case thanks to the legal system.

So one part of me is saying "scum" - the other is saying "was he actually wrong to sue?" - it's a messed up world we live in.

IM0

hames wrote: »

Why does the paper name Mr Gray, a methadone user against whom the greater wrong was committed, and not name the perpetrator of the wrongful and deleterious action?

OP Mr Gray did not just make this 'claim', it was upheld by the Court. Therefore, before the gaze of the law, fear not! It Happened.

Gray's hand was not just injured at the time of the confrontation, btw, he suffers an ongoing damage.

Neeldess to say, the damages were not awarded for 'being thrown off the Dart'; it was for this continuous damage.

The premise for the thread is misleading.

and no doubt has an addenda

hames

mikemac1 wrote: »

He didn't sue an individual security guard.

He sued the deep pockets of Irish Rail and STT.
So the companies go to court

Of course, but undoubtedly a defence was put forward by the man in question, which on account of Mr Gray having been named, is itself a matter of public record.

Bruthal

IM0 wrote: »

anyone can post any news story they find on the net, but this isnt a news forum and you havent actually added anything to it either plus you have dropped in a random point of why someone would spend 4 days in hospital fora broken wrist

Well what sort of forum is it then, so posters can comply with your criteria?

MadsL

IM0 wrote: »

anyone can post any news story they find on the net, but this isnt a news forum and you havent actually added anything to it either plus you have dropped in a random point of why someone would spend 4 days in hospital fora broken wrist

Security!! Throw this fecker off the train will ya! Thinks he's a mod or something.

IM0

Bruthal wrote: »

Well what sort of forum is it then, so posters can comply with your criteria?

familiarise yourself with the notion of context

Bruthal

IM0 wrote: »

familiarise yourself with the notion of context

Yes mr pretend mod.

MadsL

IM0 wrote: »

familiarise yourself with the notion of context

I see, so like this "gentleman" and his cider, you are "jesting"...

How do you spend four days in hospital with a broken wrist?

I'd say that was an easily avoidable injury by doing as you were asked, but now Judge Kearn has just told every waster in Dublin how to get an nice earner.

May not end well.

Tasers set to stun methinks is the solution.

IM0

Bruthal wrote: »

Yes mr pretend mod.

Banned

hames

MadsL wrote: »

I see, so like this "gentleman" and his cider, you are "jesting"...

How do you spend four days in hospital with a broken wrist?

I'd say that was an easily avoidable injury by doing as you were asked, but now Judge Kearn has just told every waster in Dublin how to get an nice earner.

May not end well.

Tasers set to stun methinks is the solution.

He had more than a broken wrist; the gentleman in question suffers ongoing damage to his wrist, i.e. a loss of sensation.

That would be a fairly serious repercussion for most human beings like us.

B.A._Baracus

IM0 wrote: »

and this needs a thread because?

You know what...
I hate when people say this on here. You DONT HAVE TO FUCKING REPLY TO A THREAD! :mad: Just read something else.

Cookie_Monster

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Seems like a perfectly good reason to force-ably boot him off the train.

Totally legit reason to remove him from the train for which he receives fcuk all compensation. No reason whatsoever to beat the guy up once he's off the train for which he receives 10K.

The rights or wrongs of the actual case aside for one minute, the courts may just as well have made a stone cold donation of that 10 grand to some local dealer, because nobody is going to tell me that every last penny of it isn't going to disappear up that clown's nose or back his throat. The do-gooders will whine about how I shouldn't dare make such assumptions but fcuk it, you all know I'm right.

MadsL

hames wrote: »

He had more than a broken wrist; the gentleman in question suffers ongoing damage to his wrist, i.e. a loss of sensation.

That would be a fairly serious repercussion for most human beings like us.

Why would you need to be in-patient to be seen for that?

Bruthal

IM0 wrote: »

Banned

I wish to appeal this injustice

IM0

MadsL wrote: »

I see, so like this "gentleman" and his cider, you are "jesting"...

How do you spend four days in hospital with a broken wrist?

I'd say that was an easily avoidable injury by doing as you were asked, but now Judge Kearn has just told every waster in Dublin how to get an nice earner.

May not end well.

Tasers set to stun methinks is the solution.

so is the thread a thinly veiled dig at the health service?

thought so.. your comment has no relevance otherwise

and it went to court a judge ruled in his favour, end of story.

/thread

Bruthal

IM0 wrote: »

so is the thread a thinly veiled dig at the health service?

thought so.. your comment has no relevance otherwise

and it went to court a judge ruled in his favour, end of story.

/thread

In your opinion:pac:

IM0

Bruthal wrote: »

In your opinion:pac:

exactly!

hames

MadsL wrote: »

Why would you need to be in-patient to be seen for that?

That would be a medical decision, presumably so that they could assess the level of nerve damage

I should doubt he was admitted so as to maximise his compensation potential. Medics are under plenty of pressure, I'm sure they don't need to admit messers for the laugh.

MadsL

IM0 wrote: »

so is the thread a thinly veiled dig at the health service?

thought so.. your comment has no relevance otherwise

Maybe you do need this facility http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=83137822

Dig? Comment and discussion is a "dig" is it now? OK.

How do you end up having to say in hospital, in a bed, for four days because of a wrist injury? Was it in danger of falling off?

and it went to court a judge ruled in his favour, end of story.

your comprehension skills are off, it was a 50/50 decision - he got half of what he was looking for.

/thread

Right. OK. Off you pop, we'll stay here and, err, tidy up and stuff.



Bye...




Safe home...

MadsL

hames wrote: »

That would be a medical decision, presumably so that they could assess the level of nerve damage

You need someone admitted and in a bed for that? Wow.

I should doubt he was admitted so as to maximise his compensation potential. Medics are under plenty of pressure, I'm sure they don't need to admit messers for the laugh.

You don't know what was said to the staff.

"No, I'm homeless doc, keep me in, Jaysus me wrist"

hames

MadsL wrote: »

You need someone admitted and in a bed for that? Wow.

He was admitted for four days; if you are criticising the decision of the medics on the ward, I'd suggest you take that up with them.


Nobody here can reasonably criticise nor justify it.

mikemac1

If the case was for 20k why did it go to the High Court?

Circuit court can deal with up to 38k

Senior barristers ain't cheap and this was a fairly ordinary compo case, nothing complex

MadsL

hames wrote: »

Nobody here can reasonably criticise nor justify it.

Nope, but I can legitimate question it on the assumption he could walk. No wonder the HSE is a mess.

Lyaiera

MadsL wrote: »

Nope, but I can legitimate question it on the assumption he could walk. No wonder the HSE is a mess.

Good point. The only people who should be in hospital are people who stubbed their toe on something.

hames

mikemac1 wrote: »

If the case was for 20k why did it go to the High Court?

Circuit court can deal with up to 38k

Real winners here were the lawyers €€€
Senior barristers ain't cheap and this was a fairly ordinary compo case, nothing complex

Presumably there was a claim for a higher award.

hames

MadsL wrote: »

Nope, but I can legitimate question it on the assumption he could walk. No wonder the HSE is a mess.

Not really, no. You have no access to his files or case history.

IM0

MadsL wrote: »

Nope, but I can legitimate question it on the assumption he could walk. No wonder the HSE is a mess.

and there we go, I spotted your addenda right from the off. so which political party do you vote for usually? answers on a postcard!

MadsL

IM0 wrote: »

and there we go, I spotted your addenda right from the off. so which political party do you vote for usually? answers on a postcard!

Addenda. Think I have one on me desk, for me addressedas.

Which party would that be ya think? Go on, impress me.

MadsL

hames wrote: »

Not really, no. You have no access to his files or case history.

Neither do you. Will you allow that he may have been swinging the lead a bit here?

IM0

MadsL wrote: »

Addenda. Think I have one on me desk, for me addressedas.

Which party would that be ya think? Go on, impress me.

well not any that are there now

and I was going to go with adjenda, but spell check said no its addenda! :rolleyes:

hames

MadsL wrote: »

Neither do you. Will you allow that he may have been swinging the lead a bit here?

There is a significant logical weight in his favour; in the absence of any reasonable expectation of a release of his medical history, there is no reason to presume a medical conspiracy.

MadsL

IM0 wrote: »

well not any that are there now

If you are going to accuse me of something - Spit it out man!!

IM0 wrote: »

and I was going to go with adjenda, but spell check said no its addenda! :rolleyes:

The radial distance from the pitch circle of a cogwheel, worm wheel, etc., to the crests of the teeth or ridges???

Did you mean agenda? I guess you learnt something in this thread after all. No need to thank me.

So Tasers? Better idea ya think?

MadsL

hames wrote: »

There is a significant logical weight in his favour; in the absence of any reasonable expectation of a release of his medical history, there is no reason to presume a medical conspiracy.

Given I know that wrist surgery is an out-patient procedure, I wonder what keeps an ambulatory patient in hospital for four days.

You can surely appreciate my incredulity. Some gunshot victims are out faster. In fact the average stay for non-operative stab wounds in the US is four days.

hames

MadsL wrote: »

Given I know that wrist surgery is an out-patient procedure, I wonder what keeps an ambulatory patient in hospital for four days.

You just don't know; you have no idea of what was entered into this patient's records nor have you any detailed information as to what his medical damages entailed which resulted in 4 days admission.


You can claim whatever you like and most of us will ignore it; it is not factually relevant.

MadsL

hames wrote: »

You just don't know; you have no idea of what was entered into this patient's records nor have you any detailed information as to what his medical damages entailed which resulted in 4 days admission.


You can claim whatever you like and most of us will ignore it; it is not factually relevant.

Fair enough. I'll say that I wonder at a patient with wrist injuries being kept in a bed for four days when wrist surgery boots you out the same day and leave it at that.

Now - STT - Tasers? Yeah or Nay? What does AH think?

Cookie_Monster

Deleted User wrote: »

Totally legit reason to remove him from the train for which he receives fcuk all compensation. No reason whatsoever to beat the guy up once he's off the train for which he receives 10K.

The rights or wrongs of the actual case aside for one minute, the courts may just as well have made a stone cold donation of that 10 grand to some local dealer, because nobody is going to tell me that every last penny of it isn't going to disappear up that clown's nose or back his throat. The do-gooders will whine about how I shouldn't dare make such assumptions but fcuk it, you all know I'm right.

If I were to dare to make another assumption for a moment... I imagine it didn't go down all pretty and that, like most scumbag junkies, Mr Gray was very abusive to the staff and screaming about rights and generally being an ass and probably deserved a swift kick of two for not co-operating. But sure that's not allowed any more, is it...

Cookie_Monster

MadsL wrote: »

Now - STT - Tasers? Yeah or Nay? What does AH think?

Nope, a proper transport police is what's needed, covering both with the Traffic Corp does now combined with random bus and train patrols. (and yes arm them with Tasers)

Lyaiera

Why is there an automatic presumption that because he did drugs he was a junkie? I've seen plenty of people who've had a few cans and done a few lines getting violent and they're not junkies at all.

Edit: Misread methadone as mephedrone.

mikemac1

Methadone program?

hames

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

like most scumbag junkies...

just to be clear... this guy was on methadone, which at least suggests some attempt to improve his position (of whatever relevance that point may be...)

Lyaiera

mikemac1 wrote: »

Methadone program?

Ah, fair enough. I misread it as mephedrone.

Cookie_Monster

hames wrote: »

just to be clear... this guy was on methadone, which at least suggests some attempt to improve his position (of whatever relevance that point may be...)

or he could just be abusing the system like so many others...
If was actually serious making an effort he would not be drinking straight after I would have thought.

sullydublin

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Nope, a proper transport police is what's needed, covering both with the Traffic Corp does now combined with random bus and train patrols. (and yes arm them with Tasers)

Fully agree that we need a transport police considering we have trains, Light rail & buses. When i lived in Oz the fact they had transport please mad me feel at ease. I can't see this happening & Plus The security industry doesn't have proper training.