Going to look at this today - does everything look ok?

euser1984

Hi,
Just wondering if everything looks to be ok in this done deal ad - <snip>

Thanks a mill!

westies4ever

done deal is seriously unpopular around here so prepare yourself. I would contact the kennel club and ask them to check out the breeder. any quality breeder is not going to stick their puppies on done deal.

andreac

Were you not looking for a Springer recently??

Stheno

westies4ever wrote: »

done deal is seriously unpopular around here so prepare yourself. I would contact the kennel club and ask them to check out the breeder. any quality breeder is not going to stick their puppies on done deal.

+1 to the above, also some of those pictures are not 2 month old pups, especially the ones of them playing, more 3-4 months they are way too big for 2 months.

Are you planning on having the pup as an indoor dog?

Bullseye1

From the description it looks like they are from a working line. These won't be suitable for everyone. As others have stated do your research on the breeder. I'd also be wary of any dogs being sold on donedeal.

juniord

10 generations back to 1903 ? doesnt look right to me i generation per 11 years

boomerang

Doesn't look to me like the puppies have been reared in the home, which would be a big no-no for me, OP. Some sheppy strains have a tendency towards nervousness and I'd want my sheppy pup to have every chance from day one of being able to cope in a busy home, with lots of different household noises, kids coming in and out, etc.

You can also take it they are probably not house-trained and haven't been given any boundaries when it comes to jumping up/chewing stuff/puppyish nipping and haven't been on a collar and lead, which is going to make your work as the new owner much harder initially.

Also agree these pups might be very "worky" going on the description and might be too hard work for someone looking for a laid-back pet that's happy with a good walk and a bit of ball.

euser1984

I was thinking of getting it professionally trained....and socializing properly. It does strike me as strange that you think they are a bit too big but I think I'll look at them anyway. Just sick of looking now and nothing cropping up - it's been weeks.

I think the guy does sound genuine - he said he has been breeding them for 20 years so maybe he just has history of bitches or dogs dating back that far?

euser1984

What do you think of the mother from the pics?
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andreac

Ask him what the hip scores are of the parents.

boomerang

If professionally trained means sending the dog away to be trained, don't do it. It doesn't work OP, training is something you do with your dog day in day out yourself, all your life together. You also don't know what kind of methods will be used on your pup - he or she could come back really, really messed up for life.

At the age these pups are at, they've already lost out on the most sensitive period for socialisation, so you'll be trying to catch up on a window of opportunity that's already gone.

Impossible to say anything about the mum from the photo, really.

Also if you've only been looking for weeks, give yourself more time, OP. It's a big decision - a dog that will be with you for the next 12-14 years. Be patient and be very fussy.

Stheno

euser1984 wrote: »

I was thinking of getting it professionally trained....and socializing properly. It does strike me as strange that you think they are a bit too big but I think I'll look at them anyway. Just sick of looking now and nothing cropping up - it's been weeks.

I think the guy does sound genuine - he said he has been breeding them for 20 years so maybe he just has history of bitches or dogs dating back that far?

By professionally trained are you thinking of sending it away for a few weeks and have it come back trained?

boomerang wrote: »

Doesn't look to me like the puppies have been reared in the home, which would be a big no-no for me, OP. Some sheppy strains have a tendency towards nervousness and I'd want my sheppy pup to have every chance from day one of being able to cope in a busy home, with lots of different household noises, kids coming in and out, etc.

You can also take it they are probably not house-trained and haven't been given any boundaries when it comes to jumping up/chewing stuff/puppyish nipping and haven't been on a collar and lead, which is going to make your work as the new owner much harder initially.

Also agree these pups might be very "worky" going on the description and might be too hard work for someone looking for a laid-back pet that's happy with a good walk and a bit of ball.

I'd be the same here, my very first dog as an adult was a "worky" GSD who by god needed plenty to keep him occupied

**Vai**

Id be looking at any documents I could get my hands on with regard to the pups and the parents. If it all checks out and they are healthy dogs who have been looked after properly, go for it. Donedeal is notorious though so be very cautious.

I know this is the stock reply but have you been checking pounds/rescues? No shortage of gorgeous GSDs looking for a good home.

andreac

Sorry, but you absolutely cannot tell anything from a picture so please have your eyes wide open when and if you visit this breeder. None of us here can tell you anything about these pups, breeder, mother etc from a photo.

doubter

euser1984 wrote: »

I was thinking of getting it professionally trained....and socializing properly. It does strike me as strange that you think they are a bit too big but I think I'll look at them anyway. Just sick of looking now and nothing cropping up - it's been weeks.

I think the guy does sound genuine - he said he has been breeding them for 20 years so maybe he just has history of bitches or dogs dating back that far?

grmbl...breeder,done deal...pfffffffff....theres a 2 year old beautiful sheppie in longford pound who's only got a day left to live...buying a puppy from DD is a BAD idea.

fatmammycat

It says the picture is of the pups' sire, not the dam.

Can't tell you much about the pups from the photos. But working GSDs with hard drive will require a lot of work, exercise, mental stimulation and constant socialisation and are RB-listed, something you have to really think about before you take one on (I have one myself, and he's great, but a lot of work).

boomerang

My neighbours bought the most beautiful GSD puppy. An absolute sweetheart who is great with other dogs. But they didn't know anything about training. They sent him away to be trained, which of course didn't work. He has no manners because they never taught him to come back when called, not to jump up on people (he's a big silly goofball, wouldn't harm a fly) or not to drag them over to other dogs when he's on the lead. He has become big, unmanageable and pulls so hard on the lead that only the boyfriend can walk him and it's so unpleasant they hardly take him anywhere. He's basically a prisoner in his own garden and he is so bored he recently forced his way out, strayed, and ended up in the pound for a night. He was lucky not to be shot as he was on farmland.

It's a crying shame for such a sweet, friendly boy. He's only a baby and already he's destined to have far less interest, variety and happy excitement in his life because his well-intentioned owners took him on without understanding what they'd need to do.

I'm not saying this will happen to you OP, but do give it some thought. At the very least, think about bringing your pup to positive training classes where he or she will mix with other dogs and learn some basics. Not all training classes would be good for your pup so if you let us know what part of the country you're in, we can recommend one. It is so important that your German Shepherd is balanced, socialised and well-rounded. You already face stigma by virtue of it being a restricted breed, and there is no dog less welcome dog in society than a restricted breed that is unruly, scaredy-cat and not good with other dogs.

jimf

hip scores hip scores hip scores proof required in writing for both sire and dam if he can show these to you then maybe consider buying a pup and i mean consider being checked over by his local vet doesnt wash im afraid

boxerly

Id be looking for health certs,hip scores etc.To be honest I hate seeing the adds were the pups or parents are on straw or shavings.Maybe just me but just screams "farm" to me,Im prob wrong though

meow

Oh please please please check out all your local rescues and pounds first.
Stunning dogs are being PTS.

Most pounds and rescues now have facebook pages where you can look at dogs
If you want details of some, get back to me and I can give you loads

jimf

euser1984

did you not post a similar question here recently re springer spaniel with virtually the same details only this time its german shepard what kind of clarification are you expecting from posters on this forum

i replied the last time when you asked did the add look ok and in hindsight i should not have it looks to me as if you dont have the confidence in yourself to make a decision on what type of a dog you are looking for if its an indoor/outdoor dog please take time to reflect you are jumping around too much i mean from a springer to a german shepard that to me is not somebody who knows what they want sorry if this looks a bit of a rant but we are talking a decision for the next 10 years so please take your time and dont rush in you may just regret it

I bought a dog on Done Deal and it turned out to be 95% horse :eek:

jimf

Deleted User wrote: »

I bought a dog on Done Deal and it turned out to be 95% horse :eek:

not registered with the ikc then or was it:

fatmammycat

euser1984: as boomerang suggests, there's a very big difference between a springer and a GSD in terms of temperament. Very different dogs. Without trying to dissuade you, I don't think GSDs are a dog for first timers or for people who have no real experience with large energetic determinded intelligent dogs (I don't know what your experiences are, of course, so please dont take this the wrong way, you might have a lot of experience. But if you haven't do give it a lot of consideration, the puppies are adorable, but they do not stay that small for long and even at 6 months GSDs are more dog that some people can handle).

wolfpawnat

andreac wrote: »

Ask him what the hip scores are of the parents.

^^^^^^^Very important OP!!!!


Any reputable breeder would be able to provide papers for both parents and a veterinary surgeon would give paperwork of the scoring that would match the names on the papers.

It will save you in the long run, also, the parents should have straight backs, not slanted. People have started breeding GSD's for the slanted back, but it is a serious design flaw and causes severe issues for the dog. Yet another reason why all veterinary organisations have condemned Cruft's for trying to make something that is bad for the dog a "breed standard".

DBB

Mod Note: Euser, I'm rather confused as to what you're doing here, but regardless, the last time you posted an almost identical thread to ask their opinions on a dog on a donedeal ad, I asked you not to link to donedeal. But you came on here again and linked to donedeal.
Please do not link to any advertising websites in this way again, it is against the forum charter.
Thanks,
DBB

jimf

wolfpawnat wrote: »

^^^^^^^Very important OP!!!!


Any reputable breeder would be able to provide papers for both parents and a veterinary surgeon would give paperwork of the scoring that would match the names on the papers.

It will save you in the long run, also, the parents should have straight backs, not slanted. People have started breeding GSD's for the slanted back, but it is a serious design flaw and causes severe issues for the dog. Yet another reason why all veterinary organisations have condemned Cruft's for trying to make something that is bad for the dog a "breed standard".

have to agree with this post have seen some beautiful shepards recently with their carriage/gait all ballcocked up over this slanted back issue what a pity this is going on they are such a beautiful and loyal proud dog

wolfpawnat

jimf wrote: »

have to agree with this post have seen some beautiful shepards recently with their carriage/gait all ballcocked up over this slanted back issue what a pity this is going on they are such a beautiful and loyal proud dog

It is ruining the breed. They can't turn as required, which of course ruins the working stock is the main reason that particular breed suffers horrendously with it's hips. There is nothing more beautiful than a strong well bred GSD. Magnificent animal.

I went to a lecture in UCD and the lecturer nearly had an aneurysm about people calling a GS an Alsation and the ruining of the breed with the back. He brought in his two, dear God, never have I seen the likes of them. Amazing. It kills him how many he has had to pts because the cost of surgery and long term care was more than the owners could afford because of bad breeding.

jimf

if this continues it will eventually wipe out the breed no new bloodlines for breeding etc plus the fear factor when purchasing a pup

but then again good breeders will always have good pups

pup prices will soar though out of reach

wolfpawnat

jimf wrote: »

if this continues it will eventually wipe out the breed no new bloodlines for breeding etc plus the fear factor when purchasing a pup

but then again good breeders will always have good pups

pup prices will soar though out of reach

It might be what saves it though. Same with a lot of breeds I'd say. Cavalier King Charles will head that way too I'd say.

Stheno

My first gsd whilst not of the best pedigree, had a slopey back, we did schutzhund for a while, and the "purists" there thought he was stunning example of his breed.

My current one is called fatarse, as he is longhaired and has a straight back, so compared to my first dog, his rear end looks wider and higher up, health wise, my first lad dropped dead of a heart attack when he was seven and a bit, fatarse is as healthy as the day is long.

Fatarse is a rescue his mum and dad came and mum then had pups.

Dad was a white GS Mum the traditional shorthaired black and tan.

justaskin likeyakno

I got my first GSd from an ad in the famers journal. Disaster phycho dog.

Bought my second from a reputable breeder, Disaster no.2 but at least he took him back.

DD, I spent ages trying to find what I thought was a good one at the time, got a dog with breed specific problems and not only that but there's another litter up on DD again. That said the dogs personality is the best i've ever seen.

It'll be rescue dogs forever more for me, I have learnt my lesson, unless you can afford the E2500 tag attached to a properly bred dog stay away from the back yard breeders.

And don't even get me started on sending him 'away' for training, especially if you're thinking of a place up the country that would be on TOP of all the other DOG training places.

maggiepip

Stheno wrote: »

My first gsd whilst not of the best pedigree, had a slopey back, we did schutzhund for a while, and the "purists" there thought he was stunning example of his breed.

My current one is called fatarse, as he is longhaired and has a straight back, so compared to my first dog, his rear end looks wider and higher up, health wise, my first lad dropped dead of a heart attack when he was seven and a bit, fatarse is as healthy as the day is long.

Fatarse is a rescue his mum and dad came and mum then had pups.

Dad was a white GS Mum the traditional shorthaired black and tan.

Do you have a special way to pronounce his name:D ???

DBB

maggiepip wrote: »

Do you have a special way to pronounce his name:D ???

I'm also curious to know... when he's a distance away from you in a public place and you have to call him, what sort of reactions do you get from passers-by?

Stheno

maggiepip wrote: »

Do you have a special way to pronounce his name:D ???

Ah now I don't call him that often, he's a few other names, and of course a proper name, but when I'm annoyed I'll shout "Oi Fat Arse!" and he'll turn around and grin at me Sometimes I'll call him fatty, and he rolls over on his tummy for a cuddle, he's a very soft GSD.

You think that's bad, my first lad was a "true" worky shepherd, had the guarding instinct, the herding instinct, just a lovely lovely dog.

At the same time I'd a red setter, who on off-lead walks, would become deaf.

I'd have to stand there going "First lad, fetch deaf boy", and sure enough off he'd go, find the deaf one, give him a nip on the backside, and herd him back. I'm sure I looked quite stupid if anyone was watching/listening, as I asked a dog to do something I couldn't

Saved me having to teach an infamously selectively deaf breed recall

Stheno

DBB wrote: »

I'm also curious to know... when he's a distance away from you in a public place and you have to call him, what sort of reactions do you get from passers-by?

He is never ever off lead around other dogs, fatarse's one flaw is that he's a mouthy twat around other dogs, does the big lad act, then when they come up he turns into a blob of jelly :rolleyes:

I use his proper name when he does the big lad act on the lead :pac:

Magenta

justaskin likeyakno wrote: »

I got my first GSd from an ad in the famers journal. Disaster phycho dog.

Bought my second from a reputable breeder, Disaster no.2 but at least he took him back.

DD, I spent ages trying to find what I thought was a good one at the time, got a dog with breed specific problems and not only that but there's another litter up on DD again. That said the dogs personality is the best i've ever seen.

It'll be rescue dogs forever more for me, I have learnt my lesson, unless you can afford the E2500 tag attached to a properly bred dog stay away from the back yard breeders.

And don't even get me started on sending him 'away' for training, especially if you're thinking of a place up the country that would be on TOP of all the other DOG training places.

Rescue dogs are not some sort of super-species who are immune to health or behavioural problems, and many of them have come from back yard breeders, coupled with a lack of training which is often the owner's reason for giving them up in the first place.

chefontour

Have had GSDs for 20 years+ first was a rescue we had a great 11 years. then a well bred puppy PTS sleep at 7 years old throat tumor, then 3 year old max spleen cancer took him from us. sleeping at my feet now i have a 3 1/2 year old spayed bitch and a two year year old (thinks hes still a 6 month old puppy) entire male. at this time we have no health issue's, so i think you can see we are a GSD family i think you can not do enough homework when researching GSD pups be very careful OP. get as much paperwork as you can, check against GSD database hip scores, elbow scores, then cross your fingers you dog will stay in good health. find a vet who handles GSD (talk to breeders) it could save you a lot of heartbreak and worry

euser1984

Sorry DBB, I must not have looked at the other thread to see your post regarding not posting info on dd ad's.

To everyone else, I did take a long time looking through all the shelters but nothing ever cropped up that I like. Originally I wanted a gsd because of their guard dog abilities and intelligence but I didn't realise a springer would be as much work.

I decided to go with the gsd as we have agreed to look after her as a whole within my family. I am determined to read and learn as much as I can to bring out the best in my little pup!

ISDW

euser1984 wrote: »

Sorry DBB, I must not have looked at the other thread to see your post regarding not posting info on dd ad's.

To everyone else, I did take a long time looking through all the shelters but nothing ever cropped up that I like. Originally I wanted a gsd because of their guard dog abilities and intelligence but I didn't realise a springer would be as much work.

I decided to go with the gsd as we have agreed to look after her as a whole within my family. I am determined to read and learn as much as I can to bring out the best in my little pup!

So did you buy a pup from that ad? What were the parents' hip scores?

euser1984

jimf wrote: »

euser1984

did you not post a similar question here recently re springer spaniel with virtually the same details only this time its german shepard what kind of clarification are you expecting from posters on this forum

i replied the last time when you asked did the add look ok and in hindsight i should not have it looks to me as if you dont have the confidence in yourself to make a decision on what type of a dog you are looking for if its an indoor/outdoor dog please take time to reflect you are jumping around too much i mean from a springer to a german shepard that to me is not somebody who knows what they want sorry if this looks a bit of a rant but we are talking a decision for the next 10 years so please take your time and dont rush in you may just regret it

ISDW wrote: »

So did you buy a pup from that ad? What were the parents' hip scores?

Well I met the parents and the guy was really nice - he had a lot of dogs himself and the pup is lovely. He feeds them really good meat that he cooks himself - he was cooking it when I arrived out in the shed. I did ask him about hip scores but tbh I don't think he has the hip scores done - I'd say it's because he's breeding from a very good line. tbh, I just went with my intuitiveness....we were discussing some of the people that are breeding dogs on done deal and how it's a disgrace. He also took a dog off someone he knew that had been hit and explained that it was the reason he had taken him off here as he wanted to put her down.

All the other gsd's seemed to be really happy.

Rommie

euser1984 wrote: »

Well I met the parents and the guy was really nice - he had a lot of dogs himself and the pup is lovely. He feeds them really good meat that he cooks himself - he was cooking it when I arrived out in the shed. I did ask him about hip scores but tbh I don't think he has the hip scores done - I'd say it's because he's breeding from a very good line. tbh, I just went with my intuitiveness....we were discussing some of the people that are breeding dogs on done deal and how it's a disgrace. He also took a dog off someone he knew that had been hit and explained that it was the reason he had taken him off here as he wanted to put her down.

All the other gsd's seemed to be really happy.

Lines don't matter. He should have had the dogs hipscored before even considering breeding them. Hips are a HUGE problem in GSDs, enough people said that here to warn you.

andreac

Are you serious?? You bought a pup from a guy who's selling on donedeal and has no hip scores for his dogs, with a breed who have huge problems with their hips and you think that's ok?? Just because he seemed ok and he said his lines were good and because he was cooking his own meat for his dogs?
You were warned to make sure that you insist in seeing the hip scores of the parents and you still didn't do it. Why bother coming on looking for advice of you are going to ignore it.
There are no words, there really aren't....
Well actually there are but I'd prob get in a lot of trouble if I said how I truly feel...

ISDW

euser1984 wrote: »

Well I met the parents and the guy was really nice - he had a lot of dogs himself and the pup is lovely. He feeds them really good meat that he cooks himself - he was cooking it when I arrived out in the shed. I did ask him about hip scores but tbh I don't think he has the hip scores done - I'd say it's because he's breeding from a very good line. tbh, I just went with my intuitiveness....we were discussing some of the people that are breeding dogs on done deal and how it's a disgrace. He also took a dog off someone he knew that had been hit and explained that it was the reason he had taken him off here as he wanted to put her down.

All the other gsd's seemed to be really happy.

he doesn't hip score because he's breeding from really good lines? How do you know he is breeding from good lines without genetic testing? He has a lot of dogs, does no health testing, and you think he's a good breeder?

Why do people bother asking for advice, and then ignoring everybody that tells them the same thing?

justaskin likeyakno

Magenta wrote: »

Rescue dogs are not some sort of super-species who are immune to health or behavioural problems, and many of them have come from back yard breeders, coupled with a lack of training which is often the owner's reason for giving them up in the first place.

I never said they were, I just meant that after spending money on what I thought were well bred dogs, and buying from from other sources, there wasn't much differnce in any of them. However one dog was taken back by the breeder, but not before I had spent 18 months trying to be a good owner. In the end, GSDs are not for me, or I am not for them. Another breeder offered to put the dog I had to sleep and give me another from the next litter. I declined, said mutt is mine for life, however long or short that may be.

Lesson learned the hard way.

As I can't afford a properly( as I am now aware of) bred dog, I will get any future pets from the pound. Dog charitys don't make it easy to adopt either which is why some people go for donedeal. One charity would not give me an older pup as I already had a dog, which is why I went elsewhere.

The only super species of dogs are Jack russells, when an asteroid takes us all out, i'm heading in thier direction, they're invincible.

Bullseye1

I wonder if good GSDs existed before X-rays existed. Some people have forgotten that most dogs do not naturally exist in nature but have in fact been developed by man over hundreds of years with some as little as 50 years.

Unfortunately show GSDs have become an abomination but if you want a good straight back working dog they exist. Breeders of these dogs are not interested in showing.

While people are rightly concerned about health issues with certain breeds GSDs and King Charles, there is no guarantee that a dog from a shelter or rescue is from a healthy line.

OP did the breeder give any assurance that he would take the pup back if there was health issues in the future? Have you seen and of his previous pups that have grown up? How did the parents look?

Bullseye1

Hip scores from GSD show lines mean nothing. The lines are dreadful. How can anyone say that a deformed back leg is okay just because the hip score is okay? They are kidding themselves.

Wibbs

Even if the back legs aren't of the freak of nature type. I had a GSD 20 odd years ago. Full pedigree that came from "very good stock". Fathers line was working dog show winners in Germany, mothers similar from the UK. Slight slope to back but nothing like some of the poor freaks of today. I remember talk of hip scores and how good they were(pre web so I didn't have a clue TBH). Poor divil died at 7 from heart problems and his back end had already started to go with hip weakness and arthritis.

Year later I found his pedigree sheet and hip scores of him and his relatives. Yep as promised all those years back considered "good" for GSD's. That's the problem right there. Considered good is better, but still crap. I saw this most clearly when I fell upon a site about the Australian Dingo in captivity in some zoo/research place or other and they had hip scores from them. Pretty much zero scores across the board. No hip dysplasia to speak of. The wolves in the same place were again zero for HD. One line stood out. Apparently there has never been a case of HD observed in wild canids of any type. Here's a different page* after a quick search. Now look at the average scores for various breeds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_score Scary.

Personally speaking I'd not touch a GSD with a bargepole, unless it was from an exclusively working line going way back and the parents had way lower than average hip scores. Too risky these days sadly. Helluva way for one of the most fantastic breeds ever created to end up. And I blame the breeders and the buyers near equally for pushing this mutant look. Most of all I blame the morons in the show world for this and other dog breed traits.

Have a google for early photos/paintings of common breeds. They look like dogs, not severely inbred mutants. The changes in the British Bulldog are nothing short of bloody disgraceful. From a strong and attractive workdog, to a stiff legged flat faced freak that can barely walk nor breath and often needs surgical intervention to whelp. Or some of the toy spaniels whose heads are so small they face a lifetime of agonizing headaches. Criminal and some of these "breeders" have the gall to point the finger at backyard breeders firing out mutts? GTFO.


*interestingly that page seem to reckon it's mostly down to developmental and dietary stuff

kylith

euser1984 wrote: »

Well I met the parents and the guy was really nice - he had a lot of dogs himself and the pup is lovely. He feeds them really good meat that he cooks himself - he was cooking it when I arrived out in the shed. I did ask him about hip scores but tbh I don't think he has the hip scores done - I'd say it's because he's breeding from a very good line. tbh, I just went with my intuitiveness....we were discussing some of the people that are breeding dogs on done deal and how it's a disgrace. He also took a dog off someone he knew that had been hit and explained that it was the reason he had taken him off here as he wanted to put her down.

All the other gsd's seemed to be really happy.

`Lots of dogs + no health testing = PUPPY FARM

Tranceypoo

euser1984 wrote: »

Well I met the parents and the guy was really nice - he had a lot of dogs himself and the pup is lovely. He feeds them really good meat that he cooks himself - he was cooking it when I arrived out in the shed. I did ask him about hip scores but tbh I don't think he has the hip scores done - I'd say it's because he's breeding from a very good line. tbh, I just went with my intuitiveness....we were discussing some of the people that are breeding dogs on done deal and how it's a disgrace. He also took a dog off someone he knew that had been hit and explained that it was the reason he had taken him off here as he wanted to put her down.

All the other gsd's seemed to be really happy.

He has a lot of dogs himself
They live in a shed
He's 'breeding from good lines' but doesn't have hip scores (so how do you know he's breeding from good lines?), so you asked him outright but you still aren't sure if he has hip scored them? That's a 'yes' or 'no' answer so if he hummed and hawed and skirted around the issue, I would say it's a no
Yes, some of the people breeding dogs are a disgrace and it sounds like he's one of them
The original owner of a dog he has wanted to put her down but he took her - so he could breed from her? And she'd been in an accident?
The dogs seemed happy? The guy was cooking meat in front of them for goodness sakes, (which I'm sure he does every single day for them right?!)

Honestly OP, this is the dumbest post I've read, why on earth did you come on here asking for advice, I mean you have ignored every single piece of advice on here from people who actually have lots of experience and knowledge about dogs in general and GS in particular.

Out of interest I would love to know how much you paid for this dog from a very good line?

Magenta

We had a very similar thread before from someone looking for a Labrador. Despite numerous warnings, they insisted on going to a breeder who didn't have the relevant health tests done, and boasted that the breeder had a lake for the dogs and that these were "real Labradors" or words to that effect.

Not too long later, the OP is back, the dog is riddled with hip problems and their breeder's response to the OP telling them of the dog's condition was less than satisfactory, the breeder continued to advertise their dogs as coming from healthy lines.