Ex LAPD cop, seeks revenge.

Torakx

Is this a case of, you reap what you sow?


It seems this man was abused a couple of times too many by the LAPD.
He now has decided to take justice into his own hands and is apparently the target of one of the biggest manhunts recently in that area.

I have read only about half of his official statement of intent.Or o it is claimed that was his writing.
Here is a sample piece taken from the middle somewhere.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants-TJ. This quote is not directed toward the US government which I fully support 100%. This is toward the LAPD who can not monitor itself. The consent decree should not have been lifted, ever.

http://ktla.com/2013/02/07/read-christopher-dorners-so-called-manifesto/#axzz2KXQ9fHC3

From what I can gather, the whole incident kicked off when he tried to report a fellow officer for kicking a secured suspect in the body and head during an arrest.
This lead to him being targeted by LAPD to get him out of the way.
He was later moved to another precinct where he was fired.
Apparently the abuse continued and he was antagonized at various times to react.

It seems now he has had enough and is targeting those guilty and their families for ruining his name and life.

Here is another online news source with a much less detailed and possibly different story.

The search for Dorner, who was fired from the LAPD in 2008 for making false statements, began after he was linked to a weekend killing in which one of the victims was the daughter of a former police captain who had represented him during the disciplinary hearing.
Authorities believe Dorner opened fire early this morning on police in cities east of Los Angeles, killing an officer and wounding another.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/massive-manhunt-angry-ex-cop-vows-shooting-rampage/1748125/

I am unsure what the actual situation is.But I could well believe he was targeted for trying to do the honourable thing and it lead to an escalation.

If the second story is true, I would like to know the motives for him making false statements.
Also I am wondering was his "manifesto" edited to look a certain way or is that as he wrote it.
Something we may never know.I presume he will be wanted dead and not alive if the first story is correct.

Strangely this was a story I heard on Russel Brands "Brand X" show, as a comedy piece?
Which I have to say was the most boring show I have watched in a while.Full of crap for the masses, except one real news story of note.

asherbassad

LAPD cops have also opened fire on a pickup truck that they thought "resembled" Dorner's. They wounded two women. So these fools just open fire on a truck without even attempting to determine whether or not it's occupied, let alone owned, by the guy they're seeking. Since when was it legal to just shoot at a car? And these retards wonder why they're despised?
And before anyone comes out with the "they're risking their lives" or "they're doing a tough job" nonsense, these idiots tase to death handicapped people. They shoot people to death who are running away from them. You can ask "why was he running away".....well I'd take my 50/50 chances by running if the alternative was being beaten in their custody or having drugs planted on my sorry Latino ass and going to the pen for 20 years.

And the laughable thing is that these LAPD macho men are all under armed guard now and crapping their pants. They have no problem beating someone into a coma when that person is unarmed and defenseless. Now that there's a guy with a gun and willing to come at them hammer and tongs they're not so hard. I wonder how many of these LAPD loudmouthed thugs are cowering in their houses and "calling in sick" until this blows over and they can get back to beating up homeless people and kids who they don't like the look of.

Run_to_da_hills

It now looks like he may be the first human target for US drones on homeland soil.

"A senior police source said: “The thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him. On the ground, it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack.”

Asked directly if drones have already been deployed, Riverside Police Chief Sergio Diaz, who is jointly leading the task force, said: “We are using all the tools at our disposal.”

The use of drones was later confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed agents have been prepared for Dorner to make a dash for the Mexican border since his rampage began".

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376732/Man-hunt-for-ex-soldier-who-shot-police-chief-s-daughter-and-killed-policeman

asherbassad

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It now looks like he may be the first human target for US drones on homeland soil.

"A senior police source said: “The thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him. On the ground, it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack.”

Asked directly if drones have already been deployed, Riverside Police Chief Sergio Diaz, who is jointly leading the task force, said: “We are using all the tools at our disposal.”

The use of drones was later confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed agents have been prepared for Dorner to make a dash for the Mexican border since his rampage began".

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376732/Man-hunt-for-ex-soldier-who-shot-police-chief-s-daughter-and-killed-policeman

They are such RETARDS it's nauseating.

So a drone in the air can identify a person? It just flies over 60 million people and says "There! That's the guy!"

Torakx

Well you did say that was the next use for them and here we see it.

Sixtus

Yes because murdering the daughter and son in law of someone you feel don't represent you well enough in a tribunal is a acceptable reaction.

The OP makes it seem like the man was justified in his actions which is mindbogglingly.

Sixtus

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It now looks like he may be the first human target for US drones on homeland soil.

"A senior police source said: “The thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him. On the ground, it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack.”

Asked directly if drones have already been deployed, Riverside Police Chief Sergio Diaz, who is jointly leading the task force, said: “We are using all the tools at our disposal.”

The use of drones was later confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed agents have been prepared for Dorner to make a dash for the Mexican border since his rampage began".

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376732/Man-hunt-for-ex-soldier-who-shot-police-chief-s-daughter-and-killed-policeman

Are these drones armed or just used for surveillance? Don't you think the police should do everything in the power to catch a suspected murderer?

gibraltar

Sixtus wrote: »

Are these drones armed or just used for surveillance? Don't you think the police should do everything in the power to catch a suspected murderer?

no idea of the drones being used but these were the type used by Seattle

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/McGinn-SPD-ending-drone-program-returning-to-vendor--190294501.html

Armed drones would not be used, the risk of friendly fire would be too high (for US mainland anyway)

Sixtus

gibraltar wrote: »

no idea of the drones being used but these were the type used by Seattle

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/McGinn-SPD-ending-drone-program-returning-to-vendor--190294501.html

Armed drones would not be used, the risk of friendly fire would be too high (for US mainland anyway)

Precisely. Suggesting he's going to hit by a hellfire missile as RtTH does is just hyperbole.

Jonny7

Sixtus wrote: »

Yes because murdering the daughter and son in law of someone you feel don't represent you well enough in a tribunal is a acceptable reaction.

The OP makes it seem like the man was justified in his actions which is mindbogglingly.

If television and Lethal Weapon has taught us anything it's that this man is innocent, and it's that son of a bitch McGonagle and his LAPD cronies trying to cover up their drug deals with Mendoza

Torakx

Haha!.. McGonagle.
Funny lol

I guess I do feel to some degree that he is justified to stand up for himself(if his story is anywhere near true).
The counter story is that he was fired for false accusations, I am waiting to hear the "other sides" story on what those were and how they were proven to be false.
A cover up to protect fellow LAPD from justice would not be suprising to anyone I would think.

I personally think the children of the accused criminals, are innocent of all this and should not be involved at all.
Which is why I mentioned or questioned the idea that his "manifesto" was actually his or all his and not edited.
After all, if he had posted a manifesto, it could well have been manipulated to make him seem like a crazy child killer, when he may just be seeking to take out the guys who are criminals, because the department he worked in was like a mafia with a badge.
As conspiracy theories go, I think my view is as sensible as it can get without any more information.

Certainly not a radical thought.

On the drones.
It was metioned before that unmanned surveilance craft may be turned on the US public.
Maybe people radicalized that idea too fast and presumed it would only be under a certain context, ie with rockets and missiles attached.
But that is just people gettign carried away and over exaggerating as usual.
Presuming too much to negate the theory all together maybe.
Does anyone think that a government would jump straight to that?

But we can see now that they are at least using them for surveilance, which I believe was one of the fears.
Understand that things like this ussually need baby steps.
I say ussually because I believe there may be special cases.

To get to use missles on home ground, you are going to need more than one guy I think.
Possibly an armed militia terrorizing a town or state or something living out in the woods.
A pefect target for the first uav missiles to be introduced for example.

Joshua J

Problem>reaction>solution.

Sonics2k

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It now looks like he may be the first human target for US drones on homeland soil.

"A senior police source said: “The thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him. On the ground, it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack.”

Asked directly if drones have already been deployed, Riverside Police Chief Sergio Diaz, who is jointly leading the task force, said: “We are using all the tools at our disposal.”

The use of drones was later confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed agents have been prepared for Dorner to make a dash for the Mexican border since his rampage began".

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376732/Man-hunt-for-ex-soldier-who-shot-police-chief-s-daughter-and-killed-policeman

You skipped the part where the drones are unarmed and that it's illegal to use the armed ones on U.S. soil.

With that said this is an interesting scenario. The man has obviously issues, his reaction to the events of his past are somewhat understandable, but the murders of innocent people will never help his cause and only go against him.

Certainly there is massive corruption in the LAPD and Government, but this is not the answer and will not help.

Torakx

Sonics2k wrote: »

You skipped the part where the drones are unarmed and that it's illegal to use the armed ones on U.S. soil.

With that said this is an interesting scenario. The man has obviously issues, his reaction to the events of his past are somewhat understandable, but the murders of innocent people will never help his cause and only go against him.

Certainly there is massive corruption in the LAPD and Government, but this is not the answer and will not help.

What about my suspicion he actually may not be targeting the families?
What if that is just in the media to allow them to shoot him dead?

They already shot at innocents thinking it was him.
Its fair to say they have what looks like a kill on sight policy.

Upon reading the newspaper article I think it says he has already shot a policeman and daughter.So may have been driven to nsanity indeed.

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

What about my suspicion he actually may not be targeting the families?
What if that is just in the media to allow them to shoot him dead?

It's my suspicion that it's a covert CIA op to introduce drones to the skies, Dorner a patsy, product of MKUltra. The fabricated deaths were necessary because the public were turning in favour of him.

Sonics2k

Torakx wrote: »

What about my suspicion he actually may not be targeting the families?
What if that is just in the media to allow them to shoot him dead?

They already shot at innocents thinking it was him.
Its fair to say they have what looks like a kill on sight policy.

Upon reading the newspaper article I think it says he has already shot a policeman and daughter.So may have been driven to nsanity indeed.

He's openly admitted to his choice of targets, and not just politicians and cops are on it.

Indeed, I do agree that the man has gone crazy, or at least last touch with reality. But that does not mean it's a conspiracy.

Drones are being used to find him, but they are unarmed drones as we know. The cops did open fire on a vehicle, and that said tremendous balls up by any standards.

The LAPD are working on a shoot to kill basis, but this may be a rare time that it's needed. The man has already shot two cops when they located him, and he has said he'll do it again.

Torakx

I suppose I dont find I as contraversial as most.
As someone mentioned earlier, cops have been doing some really nasty stuff to people for a long time.This to me is simply karma in general.

Cops shoot innocents, rape innocents on their watch.But 2 get shot by an ex cop and its terrible.
I dont see things much like most I suppose.

miller50841

He killed 2 innocent people know lets not forget that and has anyone here read the sh1te he put up on facebook.

I feel really bad for him if it's true that he tried to do the right thing and was the one that came out as the bad guy that I am disgusted with but I do not believe what he has done and is doing now is the right way.

He has ruined his family, his own life and many many others.

I feel sorry for all who have lost their lives and their families and friends.
Hopefully he is found and taken alive so maybe if there is the corruption he is insinuating is found out and things do change for the better.

Torakx

miller50841 wrote: »

He killed 2 innocent people know lets not forget that and has anyone here read the sh1te he put up on facebook.

I feel really bad for him if it's true that he tried to do the right thing and was the one that came out as the bad guy that I am disgusted with but I do not believe what he has done and is doing now is the right way.

He has ruined his family, his own life and many many others.

I feel sorry for all who have lost their lives and their families and friends.
Hopefully he is found and taken alive so maybe if there is the corruption he is insuating is found out and things do change for the better.

I dont know all were innocent.But I agree with what you said.
I am guessing he wont be taken alive.

I just know from experience you cant trust the media.It all needs to be taken with a pinch of salt and the whole picture with all the evidence needs to be considered.
I dont know what is valid evidence yet.
Im not making a judgement either.
I just have suspicions and theories on what may have been according to that manifesto..which could have been doctored.But if he really did shoot the daughter of one of the cops then he may well have written the whole thing and the first story I posed is probably true.

Again I dont agree with his methods, they are what they are.
The same way I dont agree with cops abusing victims of legislation, but it is what it is.
Im mostly posting this theory and story to create an awareness for this mans possible personality assasination for trial or execution and also to see if people find more info about the truth of the matter.

I am concerned for all young people especially, being targeted for any crime or harm.
But that alone wont keep my mouth shut, as shown when I post awareness on the pedophiles in government and other related issues in other threads.

I suppose you can put it down to an overpowering sense of justice and strong morals.

Sonics2k

Torakx wrote: »

I suppose I dont find I as contraversial as most.
As someone mentioned earlier, cops have been doing some really nasty stuff to people for a long time.This to me is simply karma in general.

Cops shoot innocents, rape innocents on their watch.But 2 get shot by an ex cop and its terrible.
I dont see things much like most I suppose.

Two wrongs don't make a right. And it's certainly not okay for this man to enact justice on cops who have done wrong. This isn't a movie.

I know that cops have in the past (recent included) committed horrible crimes, but that does not make it okay for this man to kill those he views as guilty.

Of the two cops he shot, what if even one of them was nothing more than a working cop, done nothing wrong and he simply wanted to clean up the streets in any way he could. Would you still have support for this looney?

Tzar Chasm

do we know for certain that he shot the girl?

seems that he did shoot two lapd officers attempting to 'aprehend' him, but has it been proven that he shot the others.

miller50841

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

do we know for certain that he shot the girl?

seems that he did shoot two lapd officers attempting to 'aprehend' him, but has it been proven that he shot the others.

Yes he did it's all over fox news and he actually ambushed the 2 Officers.

Sonics2k

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

do we know for certain that he shot the girl?

seems that he did shoot two lapd officers attempting to 'aprehend' him, but has it been proven that he shot the others.

Yes, yes we do.

Tzar Chasm

ok so can you link to some form of evidence then

Torakx

Sonics2k wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right. And it's certainly not okay for this man to enact justice on cops who have done wrong. This isn't a movie.

I know that cops have in the past (recent included) committed horrible crimes, but that does not make it okay for this man to kill those he views as guilty.

Of the two cops he shot, what if even one of them was nothing more than a working cop, done nothing wrong and he simply wanted to clean up the streets in any way he could. Would you still have support for this looney?

Well I would say, who is to judge what is right and wrong in this world, first off.
But this is more of a philosophical question and not really going to end in a solid answer.
Only that we can surmise the people in control of the majority make those rules for us and the majority seem to obey them.
In those respects I dont consider the statement "two wrongs dont make a right".
Two whats dont make a what? can we define "what"? I dont think I like to really.The big corporations certainly continue to abuse these wrongs and rights as do the LAPD who enforce those wrongs and rights.

If you sit back and continue to believe that ethos, they will of course continue to do as they are.

About the people he shot.Most likely some innocent and possibly some not.Im not going to judge that.
I dont support or go against.
I am highlighting his case, because somebody has to stick up for the underdog despite his issues.
Its not that I agree with his issues or actions.
I just can see good in every human.
Cant help myself lol
Im an INFJ /p personality type. look it up,if your interested.Will explain ALOT of my posts ^^
Ps. guess who else was...Martin Luther King haha typical!


Also in an overall sense and if more people reacted as him.His wrong may actually create a fear to do what they may have done to him and cause more "rights" to be in action than "wrongs" in the future.

simon360

I'm sorry but I just got reminded of this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf2K9GzgiF0

Sonics2k

Torakx wrote: »

Well I would say, who is to judge what is right and wrong in this world, first off.
are.

Society judges. And we all agree that murdering the innocent is a crime. Crime is wrong. Therefore, murder is wrong.

Torakx

Sonics2k wrote: »

Society judges. And we all agree that murdering the innocent is a crime. Crime is wrong. Therefore, murder is wrong.

Ah but I do not agree with society and you cant argue society is "right".
They could be wrong and I may be "right" in my ethos.
Its philosophical, the best thing to do is not commit lol

Brown Bomber

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

ok so can you link to some form of evidence then

Evidence? Evidence is sooooooooo 90's. Evidence is for the assumption of innocence until proven guilty by a jury of your peers as per the Constitution. Who needs evidence when you have a President who decides who lives and who dies?

That said he does appear on the face of it to be a dangerous criminal intent on causing harm but if possible they have made him even more dangerous by making it clear that he won't come out of this alive giving him nothing to lose.

It's interesting the amount of terrorists with US military backgrounds. The Sikh killer, Bales, McVeigh, Fort Hood and now this.

The White House needs to launch a "war on terror" against the US military.

Sonics2k

Torakx wrote: »

Ah but I do not agree with society and you cant argue society is "right".
They could be wrong and I may be "right" in my ethos.
Its philosophical, the best thing to do is not commit lol

So know you're arguing for the sake of it, or do you really think murder is okay?

Actually Nevermind, at least RTDH comes up with some kind of response.

/steps out.

Torakx

Sorry!
Im not trying to be obtuse really.
I just have feelings on matters and when people question them, i feel the need t explain why i am not a horrible monster.
I just do not agree with societies morals and standards at all.
I make my own morals and from my experience they have served me well and many others who know me personally would say I have very high morals indeed.
I still hold to all i said above for those reasons and so i feel my comments smewhat applicable to your responses.
Its not being argumentative for the sake of it or anything against you.

asherbassad

Sonics2k wrote: »

He's openly admitted to his choice of targets, and not just politicians and cops are on it.

Indeed, I do agree that the man has gone crazy, or at least last touch with reality. But that does not mean it's a conspiracy.

Drones are being used to find him, but they are unarmed drones as we know. The cops did open fire on a vehicle, and that said tremendous balls up by any standards.

The LAPD are working on a shoot to kill basis, but this may be a rare time that it's needed. The man has already shot two cops when they located him, and he has said he'll do it again.

A shoot to kill basis??
What friggin' hollywood fantasyland are you living in?
A cop may only shoot when his or someone else's life is in clear danger. That is it. Don't try to shift the goalposts on this by saying that they are justified cos he "shot their buddies" or "they're under pressure" or some crap.
These cops are deranged wannabes. They think they are operating in a video game or a friggin' Bruce Willis movie. They are deluded and haven't evolved much beyond the baboon. Check out the pattern of bullets in the truck that contained the 2 Latino ladies who were delivering newspapers. Over 70 bullets fired with bullet holes reported in cars, houses, trees and roofs. ROOFS???
I don't want to hear ANY excuse or justification for these guys' existence let alone their behaviour. They and their attitude do not belong in any kind of society. They shouldn't be allowed to vote nevermind carry a gun.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33924.htm

Jonny7

asherbassad wrote: »

A shoot to kill basis??
What friggin' hollywood fantasyland are you living in?
A cop may only shoot when his or someone else's life is in clear danger. That is it. Don't try to shift the goalposts on this by saying that they are justified cos he "shot their buddies" or "they're under pressure" or some crap.
These cops are deranged wannabes. They think they are operating in a video game or a friggin' Bruce Willis movie. They are deluded and haven't evolved much beyond the baboon. Check out the pattern of bullets in the truck that contained the 2 Latino ladies who were delivering newspapers. Over 70 bullets fired with bullet holes reported in cars, houses, trees and roofs. ROOFS???
I don't want to hear ANY excuse or justification for these guys' existence let alone their behaviour. They and their attitude do not belong in any kind of society. They shouldn't be allowed to vote nevermind carry a gun.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33924.htm

They'll most likely shoot him on sight. He's killed people and he's directly threatened to kill any LAPD.

humanji

Sounds kind of like a guy went off his nut after failing to expose corruption (and most likely other issues we're not aware of), is going on a killing spree and the LAPD are trying to put an end to it in their usual over-zealous "act now, maybe ask questions later" way.

I'm not exactly surprised that the LAPD would rather kill him than take him in. He seems insane and is targeting them and their families. In their position, I'd much prefer to not hang about and try and reason with him. Add to that, that the LAPD has a history of violence and corruption, it's not too much of a stretch to assume that any officer would feel that they'd be backed up by the rest of the department with whatever action they take.

And possibility of uncovering corruption has been completely negated by the spree.

Torakx

That pretty much sums up my opinion so far.
I think both "sides" have wronged and both are suffering or will suffer for it.

But jaysus! I just read one of the later links posted with the cops shooting a car with two women delivering newspapers.
What the hell were they thinking!

I really do agree with another post here, more or less saying,
These cops thought they were playing call of duty or in a bruce willis movie.
Id say the guys who shot the roofs of the house, were probably shooting with the gun sideways to look cool and couldnt see out their sunglasses.

I can picture cops jumping out of their car doing 360 spins and firing allover the shop lol

allthedoyles

The gun-battle has begun.......Dorner wont make it out alive

asherbassad

Jonny7 wrote: »

They'll most likely shoot him on sight. He's killed people and he's directly threatened to kill any LAPD.

Jonny7,

I can threaten you all I want. You see me and kill me you're going on trial for murder. Now don't try to skirt the issue. Unless of course you think a cop is justified in killing a kid on a skateboard who says "fcuk you cop! one day I'll get you".
What's your next justification? People who watch Reservoir Dogs and snigger at the cop torture/death scene? Because....unless you are a vigilante (meaning you can hurt/beat/kill anyone you want), then you are tasked to operate as a PUBLIC SERVANT. NOT as some trigger happy oaf who is not tasked to protect people but merely to beat, batter and shoot those in you way.

Say it ain't so, Jonny.

A police force are paid to FIRST defend, THEN attack.
Not the other other way round.

asherbassad

Can't stop laughing at the childish attempts at "disappearing" the remains. People yapping about DNA and crap like that. It's hysterical.

People actually buy this crap.
Get in there Anderson with your tooth brush and tell us that the bone fragments definitively show that it is Dorner and that he WAS resisting arrest and needed to be "taken out"

hahaha

asherbassad

humanji wrote: »

Sounds kind of like a guy went off his nut after failing to expose corruption (and most likely other issues we're not aware of), is going on a killing spree and the LAPD are trying to put an end to it in their usual over-zealous "act now, maybe ask questions later" way.

I'm not exactly surprised that the LAPD would rather kill him than take him in. He seems insane and is targeting them and their families. In their position, I'd much prefer to not hang about and try and reason with him. Add to that, that the LAPD has a history of violence and corruption, it's not too much of a stretch to assume that any officer would feel that they'd be backed up by the rest of the department with whatever action they take.

And possibility of uncovering corruption has been completely negated by the spree.

Why does he seem insane, humanji?
What gives you the impression that he's insane (not of sound mind)?
Killing? Doesn't determine sanity or lack thereof.
So why do you state that he seems insane?

asherbassad

miller50841 wrote: »

He killed 2 innocent people know lets not forget that and has anyone here read the sh1te he put up on facebook.

I feel really bad for him if it's true that he tried to do the right thing and was the one that came out as the bad guy that I am disgusted with but I do not believe what he has done and is doing now is the right way.

He has ruined his family, his own life and many many others.

I feel sorry for all who have lost their lives and their families and friends.
Hopefully he is found and taken alive so maybe if there is the corruption he is insinuating is found out and things do change for the better.

We have ONE man....ONE!
He can only get so far and he can only last so long.
Now, get crap like First Blood and other nonsensical Hollywood rubbish out of your mind and come back to reality.
There are teams of morons shooting the sh!t out of cars and critically wounding middle-aged women. There are drones in the fcuking sky. There are announcements to "lock-down and stay indoors" (ffs). There are legions of idiots with helmets and assault weapons and helicopters and troop carriers and so much more cretinous (laughable) crap being deployed to find this "domestic terrorist" and everyone thinks this is believable. It's pathetic.
Now there's some blonde twit saying "it's not SAFE to go inside the cabin. They believe there's a body in there. It's not safe".

So much for bloodhounds being used to capture an outlaw.

Torakx

I suppose when its all summed up.Its hard not think think this whole global society is not fecked up due to the influences we recieve on a daily basis through the control media outlets and entertainment industries.

Ahhh.. damn you, tell a vision! why did you fook up my world lol
Stop telling people visions ffs.

Jonny7

asherbassad wrote: »

Jonny7,

I can threaten you all I want. You see me and kill me you're going on trial for murder. Now don't try to skirt the issue. Unless of course you think a cop is justified in killing a kid on a skateboard who says "fcuk you cop! one day I'll get you".
What's your next justification? People who watch Reservoir Dogs and snigger at the cop torture/death scene? Because....unless you are a vigilante (meaning you can hurt/beat/kill anyone you want), then you are tasked to operate as a PUBLIC SERVANT. NOT as some trigger happy oaf who is not tasked to protect people but merely to beat, batter and shoot those in you way.

Say it ain't so, Jonny.

A police force are paid to FIRST defend, THEN attack.
Not the other other way round.

He's threatened to kill any LAPD officiers and their families and he has killed before.

The reality is, this man will not want to be taken alive, and I am very sure the LAPD do not want to chance it. They'll probably take him out.

humanji

asherbassad wrote: »

Why does he seem insane, humanji?
What gives you the impression that he's insane (not of sound mind)?
Killing? Doesn't determine sanity or lack thereof.
So why do you state that he seems insane?

Deciding that instead of justice, you want to kill people you have a grudge, is not something a sane person would do. Deciding that instead of killing the people you have a grudge with, you will kill their families is even less of a sane plan.

Torakx

Yeah, really that is possibly my only basis for agreeing with with the crazy label.
Personally if I was in his situation (that being pushed so far you have absolutely nothing to lose in your mind) I would have been taking down the systems that caused these people to be able to abuse others.
He isnt fixing a problem as much as solidifying the regime and helping it along.
If your going to protest and/or use violence, at least do it right or dont bother at all, is my motto.
The more important the more reason to do it correctly.
I dont think he is, by targeting the families, if he is.

On that note.
What if he was framed and some CIA type guys/cops for example, did that to make sure he would never be taken alive.
Sorry, a massive stretch of the imagination.But this is a CT forum.

Byt he way I have not had much chnce to research this at all.Just started college this week and im very pre-occupied.
I wouldnt mind an update with some links to what happened.somebody mentioned a cabin and bones?
Erm what?!

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

Yeah, really that is possibly my only basis for agreeing with with the crazy label.
Personally if I was in his situation (that being pushed so far you have absolutely nothing to lose in your mind) I would have been taking down the systems that caused these people to be able to abuse others.
He isnt fixing a problem as much as solidifying the regime and helping it along.
If your going to protest and/or use violence, at least do it right or dont bother at all, is my motto.
The more important the more reason to do it correctly.
I dont think he is, by targeting the families, if he is.

If he truly wanted revenge on the LAPD, the most macabre thing he could've done was disappear himself entirely, leave no traces, and leave them never knowing, always anticipating

Torakx

Haha thats a good idea!
I mean it wont take out the issues,But yes, thats quite a way to instill fear.
Playing on peoples paranoia.
Every few years a letter or something lol

Reminds me of boogieman stories and films like Freddy Kruger.

The idea he was conditioned to crack has also not been ruled out by me.
Somebody mentioned that earlier and I think its possible.

What I mean is, if there was an agenda to get UAV's into US airspace, to use on citizens, you need a threat first, that warrants its use.
This guys has supplied the threat..over an isssue that is relatively small.
Perhaps the real CT here is that this man was a victim(or willing participant) of military psy-ops blabla whatever its called and has he now dissapeared completely? in a fire?
Il have to look myself....lazy sod I am lol, I got the day off too.

Much like the Sandy Hook scenario, how do I know for sure he did what they say he did?

asherbassad

miller50841 wrote: »

Yes he did it's all over fox news and he actually ambushed the 2 Officers.

Yes he did? It's all over Fox News?
How does anyone at Fox News know what happened?
Did they witness it?
Why do they want this guy dead on sight?
Surely if he was apprehended (you know, the way suspected criminals are supposed to be) we'd find out what he was supposed to have done through charges levelled against him and the subsequent TRIAL in a court of LAW.

What's with this shoot-to-kill crap? The Washington Sniper was apprehended, tried and convicted and he shot a lot more people than Dorner and besieged an entire capital city. There was no shoot-to-kill policy for McVeigh, or Jeffery Dahmer.
Why are they so adamant to silence this guy?

asherbassad

Sonics2k wrote: »

Society judges. And we all agree that murdering the innocent is a crime. Crime is wrong. Therefore, murder is wrong.

Lying is also wrong. And killing someone suspected of a crime prior to apprehending, charging and trying them for the aforementioned alleged crime is also wrong.

Jonny7

asherbassad wrote: »

Yes he did? It's all over Fox News?
How does anyone at Fox News know what happened?
Did they witness it?
Why do they want this guy dead on sight?
Surely if he was apprehended (you know, the way suspected criminals are supposed to be) we'd find out what he was supposed to have done through charges levelled against him and the subsequent TRIAL in a court of LAW.

What's with this shoot-to-kill crap? The Washington Sniper was apprehended, tried and convicted and he shot a lot more people than Dorner and besieged an entire capital city. There was no shoot-to-kill policy for McVeigh, or Jeffery Dahmer.
Why are they so adamant to silence this guy?

The guy is/was extremely dangerous and didnt want to be taken alive. Looks like point is proven, apparently one officer dead and one injured trying to take Dorner at that cabin in Bear Woods

asherbassad

Jonny7 wrote: »

He's threatened to kill any LAPD officiers and their families and he has killed before.

The reality is, this man will not want to be taken alive, and I am very sure the LAPD do not want to chance it. They'll probably take him out.

Please, use the correct terminology not some euphemism that sound more sterile and thus less offensive to sensitive ears. Just say "they'll probably kill him."

So now threats to people and their families warrant a death sentence without arrest or trial? Is that what you're trying to say?

If this guy is surrounded somewhere, even if he's armed, then unless he's got hostages, wouldn't it be just as easy to cut him off and wait it out until he gives himself up? Nobody can't last forever without food and water and nobody can stay awake 24 x 7.

But that would be the smart, logical and prudent thing to do and wisdom and patience are rare qualities in America. How do you expect cool heads and patience from a nation who are trained to get p!ssed off over late pizzas.

asherbassad

humanji wrote: »

Deciding that instead of justice, you want to kill people you have a grudge, is not something a sane person would do. Deciding that instead of killing the people you have a grudge with, you will kill their families is even less of a sane plan.

You seem to be an expert on mental health issues. By your own definition then the cops who shot up the truck with the 2 women in it (with no warning and no reason) were also attempting to kill (instead of administering justice).