Emirates DXB-DUB-DXB

dm09

Just an observation. I have flown emirates numerous times to DXB and beyond. Before they started operating DUB-DXB I used to connect with them via UK.
From my last couple times flying DUB-DXB I've noticed that Emirates always seem to use their newest 777s on this route, as in usually its always an aircraft less than 2 years old! From a passenger perspective this is fantastic as their newest 777s have larger personal screens and the 'Smart' Handsets!
I've flown quite a lot with Emirates from DXB to Asia and it always seems to be one of their older 777s, so I'm wondering is it a conscience choice on their part to use a newer aircraft to DUB (with it been a relatively new route) or just coincidence!


Previous 10 aircraft operating DXB-DUB-DXB:

REG ----First Flight

A6-EGP 18-04-2012
A6-ENE 08-01-2013
A6-ENE 08-01-2013
A6-EGV 23-07-2012
A6-EGO 14-02-2012 (1000th 777)
A6-EGO 14-02-2012 (1000th 777)
A6-EGW 19-07-2012
A6-EGR 20-05-2012
A6-EGP 18-04-2012
A6-EGU 02-07-2012

veetwin

The route has been an extraordinary sucess for Emirites and as such newer aircraft get the more prestigious routes. I happened to be talking to a member of Emirates staff yesterday who said they were getting excellent loads both in 1st, business, economy and cargo.

Yesterdays DUB-DXB only had a few spare seats in what is traditionally a quiet time of the year.

NewSigGuy

The route has been a great success, but from what I hear the Yield is on the low side and while Economy is overbooked business and particular first are light and typically filled with upgrades, they have started to use the 2 class 42/386 configured 777 on Dub quite a bit recently and they might fit the profile better. The cargo has been a revelation and the aircraft regularly carry 20T+ in the belly Ex Dub.

A second flight is a possibility in the future..

spurious

I was lucky enough to get an upgrade to first on the DXB-DUB leg last August.

I wouldn't be paying the money it costs for First class, but it's very nice to be able to say I did fly First class once. Completely stress-free way to travel. Unbelievable.

GTE

An Emirates pilot friend of mine says that loads have been so good for Dublin that a second flight per day is inevitable. That or an A380 but since the airport needs some fiddling to get that in the 2 flights is well on the radar given current loads.

So I hear anyway >_> <_< >_>

Zonda999

Great news, I wonder if the 2nd flight will be operated by another B77W. in Glasgow, when they first launched the 2nd daily flight, it was operated by an A343 before being upgraded to a B77W after a number of months.

GTE

Zonda999 wrote: »

Great news, I wonder if the 2nd flight will be operated by another B77W. in Glasgow, when they first launched the 2nd daily flight, it was operated by an A343 before being upgraded to a B77W after a number of months.

That was mentioned too now that you remind me.
I believe that some Emirates flights have been cancelled until further notice with some countries and political unrest so I would wonder what they have the "spare" planes up to, just a side note really.

qwertypop

spurious wrote: »

I was lucky enough to get an upgrade to first on the DXB-DUB leg last August.

I wouldn't be paying the money it costs for First class, but it's very nice to be able to say I did fly First class once. Completely stress-free way to travel. Unbelievable.

How did you pull that one off. I'm flying to Sydney via Dubai with ek in June. Would love an upgrade even just for one leg of the journey.

spurious

qwertypop wrote: »

How did you pull that one off. I'm flying to Sydney via Dubai with ek in June. Would love an upgrade even just for one leg of the journey.

Sorry just saw your reply now. I was travelling with Trailfinders and they just rang and offered it to me for a couple of hundred. I jumped at it.

dm09

qwertypop wrote: »

How did you pull that one off. I'm flying to Sydney via Dubai with ek in June. Would love an upgrade even just for one leg of the journey.

You can be lucky enough on the day, if the flight is overbooked you can get bumped to Business. Helps too if you're a frequent flier, more chance of getting an upgrade!

John_Mc

Yeah we were bumped up to Business class last summer. It was certainly a nice way to travel :-)

FuzzyDunlop100

Given talk of a second daily EK flight, what metal would they use?
Personally, I'd love to see an A346 with a bit of regularity in Dublin

Zonda999

FuzzyDunlop100 wrote: »

Given talk of a second daily EK flight, what metal would they use?
Personally, I'd love to see an A346 with a bit of regularity in Dublin

EK dont operate them, A343 and A345 only, and they don't seem to operate them much to European destinations. They like to keep Europe to 777 and A380 mainly. Is funny, they don't even operate their A345's on long range routes despite the huge range on those aircraft. Bit of a waste really. They are already phasing them out apparently. One thing I've wondered about EK though, is that they don't seem to have any replacement ordered for their 20 or so A330's, which are often used as the starter aircraft on many routes, such as DUB for example. They can hardly start routes with 77W's in future surely

As for the 2nd daily DUB departure, I;ve heard that the first class on the esisting DUB flight isn;t doing that gret. Surely the best logical step in this case is operate a 2 class 77W from Dublin and see what loads are like. They operate 2 class 77W's to Newcastle, About 420 seats on them

FuzzyDunlop100

Zonda999 wrote: »

EK dont operate them, A343 and A345 only, and they don't seem to operate them much to European destinations. They like to keep Europe to 777 and A380 mainly. Is funny, they don't even operate their A345's on long range routes despite the huge range on those aircraft. Bit of a waste really. They are already phasing them out apparently. One thing I've wondered about EK though, is that they don't seem to have any replacement ordered for their 20 or so A330's, which are often used as the starter aircraft on many routes, such as DUB for example. They can hardly start routes with 77W's in future surely

As for the 2nd daily DUB departure, I;ve heard that the first class on the esisting DUB flight isn;t doing that gret. Surely the best logical step in this case is operate a 2 class 77W from Dublin and see what loads are like. They operate 2 class 77W's to Newcastle, About 420 seats on them

I could be wrong, but I think it's the cargo aspect of EK's DUB-DXB flights where they're really making hay. Interesting, but not surprising that their first class offering hasn't got much traction -the steady stream of emigrants en route to Australia certainly wouldn't be flying premium!

WRT the A345's, I believe they're somewhat of a white elephant for the airlines; savage range obviously but the airlines struggle to make the economics work & there's issues with weight & different classes (Singapore recently announced the cancellation of their Singapore-New York direct flight which used them).

drdeadlift

FuzzyDunlop100 wrote: »

I could be wrong, but I think it's the cargo aspect of EK's DUB-DXB flights where they're really making hay. Interesting, but not surprising that their first class offering hasn't got much traction -the steady stream of emigrants en route to Australia certainly wouldn't be flying premium!

WRT the A345's, I believe they're somewhat of a white elephant for the airlines; savage range obviously but the airlines struggle to make the economics work & there's issues with weight & different classes (Singapore recently announced the cancellation of their Singapore-New York direct flight which used them).

Too many engines on the 345

Can anyone think of an airline that had a happy story to tell about them?
ps
Im flying on the 343 tomorrow,

brandon_flowers

What is the load like for Etihad? Any chance of them going to two flights a day. They move to a 773 in July if I remember correctly.

I imagine Etihad would have very close to the 50% mark of the IRL-AUS passengers (exception of Perth).

It would be interesting if any of the other Middle East/Asian carriers see Dublin as an expansion opportunity with pre-clearance available. SQ for example seen as they have cancelled that SIN-EWR non stop route. Qatar are another one perhaps.

Peregrine

brandon_flowers wrote: »

What is the load like for Etihad? Any chance of them going to two flights a day. They move to a 773 in July if I remember correctly.

Their CEO said last year that they can't do twice daily all week until 2016 but the intent is there.

“The plan is to go double daily but it won’t be before 2016. But what it shows is that we’re here for the long term,” Mr Hogan told The Irish Times.

I think they do 10 flights a week now and the 773 will fly 6 of those from July and the other 4 will keep using an A330. That's 6 less chances a week of seeing the Man City jet

Zonda999

brandon_flowers wrote: »

It would be interesting if any of the other Middle East/Asian carriers see Dublin as an expansion opportunity with pre-clearance available. SQ for example seen as they have cancelled that SIN-EWR non stop route. Qatar are another one perhaps.

Well, SQ currently do SIN to FRA to JFK with an A380 with fifth freedom rights on the FRA to JFK segment, so its hard to tell how much of that traffic is travelling on both legs. It could be an option with a 77W though

As for Etihad using a 77W from DUB from next year, they'll have nine a breast in economy as opposed to Emirates ten. That'll make it far nicer for heading to Oz or anywhere else in Asia. i know which airlines 77W I'd prefer anyway

FuzzyDunlop100

drdeadlift wrote: »

Too many engines on the 345

Can anyone think of an airline that had a happy story to tell about them?
ps
Im flying on the 343 tomorrow,

Given the range, I'd have thought they'd be very popular with the billionaires of this world (I'm fairly certain Roman Abromovich has an A340, not sure which variant though).

GTE

Zonda999 wrote: »

EK dont operate them, A343 and A345 only, and they don't seem to operate them much to European destinations. They like to keep Europe to 777 and A380 mainly. Is funny, they don't even operate their A345's on long range routes despite the huge range on those aircraft. Bit of a waste really. They are already phasing them out apparently. One thing I've wondered about EK though, is that they don't seem to have any replacement ordered for their 20 or so A330's, which are often used as the starter aircraft on many routes, such as DUB for example. They can hardly start routes with 77W's in future surely

As for the 2nd daily DUB departure, I;ve heard that the first class on the esisting DUB flight isn;t doing that gret. Surely the best logical step in this case is operate a 2 class 77W from Dublin and see what loads are like. They operate 2 class 77W's to Newcastle, About 420 seats on them

The Dub flights are already two class 777-300ERs as far as I know, at least the ones I have been on.

castie

bbk wrote: »

The Dub flights are already two class 777-300ERs as far as I know, at least the ones I have been on.

That would explain the poor loads in first class

brandon_flowers

Zonda999 wrote: »

Well, SQ currently do SIN to FRA to JFK with an A380 with fifth freedom rights on the FRA to JFK segment, so its hard to tell how much of that traffic is travelling on both legs. It could be an option with a 77W though

As for Etihad using a 77W from DUB from next year, they'll have nine a breast in economy as opposed to Emirates ten. That'll make it far nicer for heading to Oz or anywhere else in Asia. i know which airlines 77W I'd prefer anyway

Well the A380 on the FRA-SIN section would have a lot of non-connecting passengers I would say.

However the non-stop from SIN-EWR obviously had enough load but SQ couldn't make it work with the fuel guzzling A345. A stop in Dublin with a 777 (or an A350!!) plus pre-clearance could make it interesting for the full business class layout.

Abramovich has an A343, it was in Nice for the Euro Super Cup along with his Eclipse yacht just off Monaco.

Going back to Etihad, they seem to be cheaper also for IRL-AUS flights on all routes.

Zonda999

brandon_flowers wrote: »

Well the A380 on the FRA-SIN section would have a lot of non-connecting passengers I would say.

However the non-stop from SIN-EWR obviously had enough load but SQ couldn't make it work with the fuel guzzling A345. A stop in Dublin with a 777 (or an A350!!) plus pre-clearance could make it interesting for the full business class layout.

Abramovich has an A343, it was in Nice for the Euro Super Cup along with his Eclipse yacht just off Monaco.

Going back to Etihad, they seem to be cheaper also for IRL-AUS flights on all routes.

Its not unimaginable at all but honestly, I'd expect them to leave it off until something like the A350-900R or whatever comes along with the range needed and try non stop again. It is an amazing flight though. They often go directly over the North pole on the route. Then again, maybe they were only allowed do such a route with a 4 engined aircraft like the A345? Have ETOPS rules become lenient enough to allow such a route to go ahead with a twinjet? Its the only way such a route will become viable again I imagine

As for the A350, hopefuly we'll see them more than most as long as Aer Lingus remain in line to take delivery of that aircraft. I think they are due to be among the first airlines to be getting the A359?

I know this is going a bit off topic but do people here think the end is effectively in sight for most quadjets? I mean, you might look at Boeings currently order portfolio. Only about 30 or so for the passenger 748. The launch of the 777X as its being called is imminent if you look at some sources. They are rumoured to be stretching the 777 further. Given that 77W's have been used to replace 744's in recent years, surely an even bigger 777X will effectively kill off the 748 and this ending Boeing's production of 4 engined passenger aircraft at the end of the decade?

As for the A380, I was looking at a documentary about the building of it there a few weeks ago and John Leahy(in 2004) was talking about the potential market for such an aircraft. He mentioned over a 1000 potential orders, and something like 250 orders to break even on the program. There are currently about 300 orders for the A380 with the freighter to come I guess. Clearly though, the programme isn't performing as Airbus had anticipated in the earlier 2000's. Therer have been rumours about a stretched A380-900, but they've been around for years with no launch in the near future I wouldn't think. As well there are rumours of an A350 even bigger than the A350-1000 to compete with a stretched 777X. Thats a lot of development costs in those two options

ozzy jr

What needs to happen to Dublin Airport for it to be able to accomodate an A380?

Tenger

ozzy jr wrote: »

What needs to happen to Dublin Airport for it to be able to accomodate an A380?

I think the taxiways need to be adjusted and some stands realigned to accommodate such a large aircraft.
I believe the A380 was designed so that it could operate in airports that currently handle the B747, so any work required would be signage, taxiway spacing, taxiing procedures related rather than actual construction work. (Open to correction as always)

Re: jetways.......triple airbridges/jetways just make boarding more efficient. The aircraft can still operate into the airport and use just 1.......
.....I'm sure DAA could invest and convert a stand on pier to be able to have 2 bridges attached to an A380.

This is just a talking point however. Doubt we'll ever see an A380. B773 is pretty big all on its own.

Peregrine

Can the jetways handle it?
I mean I know that DUB handled 747s in the 90s but all pax were loaded onto the lower deck in the 747. Airports seem to use 3 jetways simultaneously for boarding the A380s.

ozzy jr

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Can the jetways handle it?
I mean I know that DUB handled 747s in the 90s but all pax were loaded onto the lower deck in the 747. Airports seem to use 3 jetways simultaneously for boarding the A380s.

On one A380 flight I did, on landing in Dubai we disembarked via steps and onto a bus.

Could Dublin runways handle the weight and lenght it would need to take off?

Tenger

ozzy jr wrote: »

On one A380 flight I did, on landing in Dubai we disembarked via steps and onto a bus.

Could Dublin runways handle the weight and lenght it would need to take off?

The A380 was designed to operate from current runways....the large number of wheels distribute the weight so it doesn't put any extra strain on the runway surface.

As for runway length......well the A380 can operate from the runway at DUB. However, as with the B773 the runway length would restricts it from operating to full capacity and/or full range. I'm not sure but I doubt the A380 could operate at max weight from DUB. Similarly the B773 is range restricted from DUB, hence the lack of a route to Singapore/Hong Kong/Bangkok. (The dodgy economic situation notwithstanding)

ozzy jr

Tenger wrote: »

The A380 was designed to operate from current runways....the large number of wheels distribute the weight so it doesn't put any extra strain on the runway surface.

As for runway length......well the A380 can operate from the runway at DUB. However, as with the B773 the runway length would restricts it from operating to full capacity and/or full range. I'm not sure but I doubt the A380 could operate at max weight from DUB. Similarly the B773 is range restricted from DUB, hence the lack of a route to Singapore/Hong Kong/Bangkok. (The dodgy economic situation notwithstanding)

I suppose the most relevant question is would the A380 be able to take off from Dublin for the route to Dubai, with a normal operating load of passengers and cargo?

FuzzyDunlop100

Zonda999 wrote: »

Its not unimaginable at all but honestly, I'd expect them to leave it off until something like the A350-900R or whatever comes along with the range needed and try non stop again. It is an amazing flight though. They often go directly over the North pole on the route. Then again, maybe they were only allowed do such a route with a 4 engined aircraft like the A345? Have ETOPS rules become lenient enough to allow such a route to go ahead with a twinjet? Its the only way such a route will become viable again I imagine

As for the A350, hopefuly we'll see them more than most as long as Aer Lingus remain in line to take delivery of that aircraft. I think they are due to be among the first airlines to be getting the A359?

I know this is going a bit off topic but do people here think the end is effectively in sight for most quadjets? I mean, you might look at Boeings currently order portfolio. Only about 30 or so for the passenger 748. The launch of the 777X as its being called is imminent if you look at some sources. They are rumoured to be stretching the 777 further. Given that 77W's have been used to replace 744's in recent years, surely an even bigger 777X will effectively kill off the 748 and this ending Boeing's production of 4 engined passenger aircraft at the end of the decade?

As for the A380, I was looking at a documentary about the building of it there a few weeks ago and John Leahy(in 2004) was talking about the potential market for such an aircraft. He mentioned over a 1000 potential orders, and something like 250 orders to break even on the program. There are currently about 300 orders for the A380 with the freighter to come I guess. Clearly though, the programme isn't performing as Airbus had anticipated in the earlier 2000's. Therer have been rumours about a stretched A380-900, but they've been around for years with no launch in the near future I wouldn't think. As well there are rumours of an A350 even bigger than the A350-1000 to compete with a stretched 777X. Thats a lot of development costs in those two options

Given that fuel makes up a large part of an airlines cost (30% rings a bell) the days of four engined jets would appear to be limited. I'm no expert but I think the ETOPs of modern jets has steadily expanded too, which makes the need for four engined jets somewhat redundant (think of how far the 777 can go on two engines).

NewSigGuy

Hi,

The 380 has some particular airfield requirements. The EK 380 in LR spec(510T MTOW) has no issues perf wise off the RWY in Dub, however due to the wingspan of the aircraft and runways and taxiways requiring reinforced shoulders there would be restrictions around Dub, mostly though the ramp would appear to be too small for the 380 and its 80M wingspan, and that would most likely be the restricting element, to say nothing of trying to deplane and board 517 Pax thru one door

Derek Zoolander

Whats the Emirates Business class service like compared to Etihad?

From some initial checks they both have lie flat seats with emirates seats on the two class 777 Pitch 60 inches and width 20.5 inches with Etihad pitch an excellent 88 inches with 20 inches width...

Is there anything service wise that would make emirates a better business class option than etihad

FuzzyDunlop100

NewSigGuy wrote: »

Hi,

The 380 has some particular airfield requirements. The EK 380 in LR spec(510T MTOW) has no issues perf wise off the RWY in Dub, however due to the wingspan of the aircraft and runways and taxiways requiring reinforced shoulders there would be restrictions around Dub, mostly though the ramp would appear to be too small for the 380 and its 80M wingspan, and that would most likely be the restricting element, to say nothing of trying to deplane and board 517 Pax thru one door

What if there was an emergency, would/could an A380 land in Dublin?

Bessarion

FuzzyDunlop100 wrote: »

What if there was an emergency, would/could an A380 land in Dublin?

Yes.

The restrictions are on actual operating the A380 on a regular basis from Dublin. The airfield cannot 'normally' accommodate such a large aircraft with all the other traffic.

The A380 can land and take off at Dublin.

Over the years DUB has accepted C-17's, B744's, Concorde, MD-11's, AN-124's, A346's etc

steve-o

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

Whats the Emirates Business class service like compared to Etihad?

From some initial checks they both have lie flat seats with emirates seats on the two class 777 Pitch 60 inches and width 20.5 inches with Etihad pitch an excellent 88 inches with 20 inches width...

Is there anything service wise that would make emirates a better business class option than etihad

Etihad has proper lie flat seats in business. Emirates 777 has a sloped seat where your head is higher up than your feet (very similar to Aer Lingus).

Jamie2k9

I think AF have DUB as a diversion station for any A380 problems.