Hall Of Fame Splinter Thread: 1 in, 1 out.

Omackeral

Just a quickie interactive type thread here.

Seen as we are well and truly on the Road To Wrestlemania and Hall of Fame inductions, I suggest everybody here at PW Boards makes a concise argument concerning the following;

1 in :A Star (or tag team/faction/other) who has not been inducted into the WWE HOF but, you feel, should be.

1 out:: An inductee that has been granted a place in the Hall of Fame, but you feel does not quite belong.


A brief example could be as follows.

1 in : The Rock- 10 Time World Champion, 5 Time Tag Champion and 2 Time Intercontinental Champion. Main evented multiple Wrestlemanias. Transcended Pro Wrestling and impacted pop culture. Also became Hollywood Star.

1 out : Koko B. Ware- Never main evented nor won any prestigious accolades. Low card act for most of his career.

ceegee

In - Warrior
Out - may seem a bit harsh but any one of the younger generation of von Erichs. A tragic story but looking objectively they dont belong in there.

In - Vince
Out - Edge. Was put in too soon imo. Better to wait a few years to judge a wrestlers legacy.

glenjamin

In - Macho Man Randy Savage. True great, nuff said. It makes a mockery of the Hall of the Fame when you consider people like Savage, and until this year, Bruno Sammartino, aren't already inducted in it. Regardless of their beef with Vince, and Vince's beef with them, they should have been inducted years ago. It's hard to actually give a **** about the HOF considering the absence of certain people, and the inclusion of others.

Out - Abdullah the Butcher. Never once wrestled in the WWE. Large part of the reason why Billy Graham wants out of the HOF.
Out - Koko B. Ware. For the reasons already stated. Hall of Fame jobber.
Out - All the celebrities. Bar Mike Tyson, who was a major part of the mania XIV angle with Michaels and Austin, none of the other celebs have done anything significant in the WWE. Drew Carey? **** off, ffs!

Omackeral

1 in: British Bulldog.

Davey Boy Smith was an international star with an all-powerful, yet quick ring style, which was a sight to behold. A tag team champion with The Dynamite Kid, Smith was a household name on this side of the pond at the height of his fame. His famous Intercontinental championship win against brother-in-law Bret Hart at SummerSlam 1992 garnered great reviews from fans and pros alike and broke attendance records also. The Bulldog would go on to form a powerful and successful tandem with Owen Hart and would go on to become the 1st ever WWF European Champion. He was a major player in the unique Hart Foundation stable, which was beloved in Europe and Canada but reviled in the United States. He deserves a spot, IMO.

1 out: Bob Uecker.
He announced one main event at Wrestlemania III and did announce duty at Wrestlemania IV. Brilliant.

krudler

In: Jake The Snake Roberts- one of the greats, may not have been the most athletic in the ring, but it was his presence that made him, probably my favourite wrestler as a kid, and his theme tune was brilliant.

Out: Koko, a jobber in the hall of fame? may as well have put The Brooklyn Brawler in there

gnfnrhead

In: Macho Man. Easy.

Out: Edge. No injury = no HOF consideration for easily 10 more years. He is in before the likes of the Rock, Triple H and even the Undertaker! A sympathy inductee and nothing more. Could probably come up with at least 20 people from his time that are more deserving.

BobbyR

In: Vince McMahon
In: Owen hart but I know there isn't much chance of that happening

Out: koko for obvious reasons
Out: all celeb entries it is a wrestling hall of fame after all

takamichinoku

I don't see what was so bad about putting Edge in so early, the guy absolutely deserves a place overall. Once he was gone, the holes in the roster became a hell of a lot more evident than they had ever been up until that point.

The main reason they put him in super early was because it's possible that he may not be strong enough of a name to be the top billing entry for selling tickets in a few years time. ...but he was certainly a worthy admission in the grand scheme of things.

Omackeral

Will Christian ever get in now? I could have seen it as an Edge AND Christian duo but I think that's the writing on the wall for Captain Charisma.

1 in: Kurt Angle. An absolute cert if he gets his personal sh*t on side and is on good terms with VKM. His rookie year was unbelievably good. He took to the game so well and excelled so easily. Multiple time world champion and all round ring-master. Never would have predicted his accolades when I first saw him debut.

1 out:: I can think of better inductees than Greg Valentine, to be honest!

lebowskilite

1 in - Sting. A legend of WCW, a company that is now part of the WWE.

1 out - Mike Tyson, the rapist.

takamichinoku

I'd say Edge & Christian will get in, they've set the precedent with Flair getting in twice, DX will be put in at some point as well. Might be a long while away though, Hardys and Dudleys will probably be put in before.

...of course, I'm saying this on the basis that the industry never comes close to reaching the highs of the popularity of the attitude era or the 80s again. Which could call into question whether the company would still be around that far into the future.

gnfnrhead

takamichinoku wrote: »

I don't see what was so bad about putting Edge in so early, the guy absolutely deserves a place overall. Once he was gone, the holes in the roster became a hell of a lot more evident than they had ever been up until that point.

The main reason they put him in super early was because it's possible that he may not be strong enough of a name to be the top billing entry for selling tickets in a few years time. ...but he was certainly a worthy admission in the grand scheme of things.

Then he doesnt deserve to be in it now. He was only put in out of sympathy.

Angron

Like glenjamin said, out: pretty much all the celebrities. Pete Rose is in there, and what has he done? Gotten tombstoned by Kane a few times. William Perry and Drew Carey? A battle royal and a royal rumble. It's a joke really. Koko is also something I don't really get.

Going on the assumption of people like The Undertake, Kane, The Rock, and HHH going in some day anyway, I’d have Randy Savage, Sting, Rick Rude perhaps, and Kurt Angle.

takamichinoku

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Then he doesnt deserve to be in it now. He was only put in out of sympathy.

He was put in at the time he was because it made business sense. I don't see why his career wouldn't warrant inclusion.

Primary goal of their hall of fame is to sell tickets to the ceremony, don't see the big deal in bumping him forward a few years when it saves them from having to use up the Rock or prematurely induct hunter(hunter obviously gets inducted at whatever he plans to be his final mania, right?).

Plus, it could be argued that he was largely put in that position as a cover for breaching Flairs contract. Pretty hard to market a guy you're effectively stealing as the head inductee for the second time in four years.

Could argue Foley is kinda being wasted this year when Sammartino is available.

Angron

takamichinoku wrote: »

He was put in at the time he was because it made business sense. I don't see why his career wouldn't warrant inclusion.

Primary goal of their hall of fame is to sell tickets to the ceremony, don't see the big deal in bumping him forward a few years when it saves them from having to use up the Rock or prematurely induct hunter(hunter obviously gets inducted at whatever he plans to be his final mania, right?).

Plus, it could be argued that he was largely put in that position as a cover for breaching Flairs contract. Pretty hard to market a guy you're effectively stealing as the head inductee for the second time in four years.

Could argue Foley is kinda being wasted this year when Sammartino is available.

Yeah, but when Foley was announced Bruno wasn't a guarantee, so the WWE probably announced him in case they couldn't get Bruno this year.

takamichinoku

I figured that was it. Still though, they've only a few guys left for that position, The Rock, HHH, Taker, Cena ...who else? Batista? Vince?

Might be able to get away with Jericho and a stable, Jericho and DX or something like that. Punk and the NWO, whatever.

Omackeral

1 IN: Lawrence 'LT' Taylor. Obviously as a Celebrity Wing inductee. Taylor actually main evented a Wrestlemania, which is something 95% of Pro Wrestlers never get to achieve. Not only this, but he did it with a high degree of competency. It was one Celebrity match that actually worked quite well. A huge amount of credit would go to his opponent Bam Bam Bigelow, who would've been a great choice to induct him if he didnt pass away before his untimely death.

1 OUT: William 'The Refrigerator' Perry. Straight swap really for LT. One guy was on an undercard battle royal amongst 20 other people, the other was a headline act on the biggest show of the year.

A Primal Nut

gnfnrhead wrote: »

In: Macho Man. Easy.

Out: Edge. No injury = no HOF consideration for easily 10 more years. He is in before the likes of the Rock, Triple H and even the Undertaker! A sympathy inductee and nothing more. Could probably come up with at least 20 people from his time that are more deserving.

He was officially retired though unlike the other three so it makes sense.

supremenovice

IN: Jake The Snake Roberts. Second to none at wrestling psychology and an outstanding promo - just youtube some of those Snake Pit interviews from the early 90s. You ask your folks or other over 40s to name a few wrestlers from the 80s/90s and I bet hes in most peoples top 3. The snake gimmick made him hugely popular and watchable. Hes had his problems no doubt but word is hes cleaned up lately so shouldnt make an eejit of himself.

OUT: Drew Carey. Didnt even take a bump in the '01 Rumble.

ShagNastii

Think supremenovice has it spot on. So much talent that came from the territories were all top class in the WWE, Jake being one of them.

So many celebs did next to nothing.

pitythefool

There are many rumours of Macho Man and Stepahine McMahon and an inappropriate relationship

If true then he will never gain entry

Vince has to go in at some point

The Hardys but that argument has to die down

Has JBL been inducted, many great moments and personas

Take out the celebs, agreed,

Benoit will never happen, too tragic, but could have been in better circumstances

Would love to see Own Hart inducted

Warrior would be interesting as you never know what Helwig would say

Sting, if it truly is wrestling in general, also WWE hold the rights to his WCW footage

Barry Balustien for his excellent documentary

Lita, arguably the best female wrestler of a generation

lebowskilite

pitythefool wrote: »

Benoit will never happen, too tragic, but could have been in better circumstances

Perhaps his wife and child should receive something posthumously. WWE wouldn't do it for decades but at some point they have to do something to mark that an employee in their regime literally went senile in his 30s and his family paid the ultimate price.

pitythefool

lebowskilite wrote: »

Perhaps his wife and child should receive something posthumously. WWE wouldn't do it for decades but at some point they have to do something to mark that an employee in their regime literally went senile in his 30s and his family paid the ultimate price.

Even though WWE hlod rights to career footage of all their emplyees, i doubt they would honour someone without the families permission

krudler

lebowskilite wrote: »

Perhaps his wife and child should receive something posthumously. WWE wouldn't do it for decades but at some point they have to do something to mark that an employee in their regime literally went senile in his 30s and his family paid the ultimate price.

I doubt Benoit or anything relating to him will ever be mentioned on WWE tv ever again, they've erased him from company history, I watched an oldish dvd recently and it was mad even seeing him onscreen, you'd completely forget about him, he was in the opening WWE logo video and now he basically doesn't exist. Had what happened never occurred he would have no doubt gone in someday.

Paul Heyman definitely deserves a spot in there at some point, Eric Bischoff too. and this is probably a mad suggestion, but I'd put money on it that Vickie Guerrero will go in someday, go back and watch Eddie's dvd, she went from this mousey little wrestlers wife to one of the most heat inducing heels ever. she only has to say two words and the building is booing her, there's guys in the business 20 years who can't generate crowd reactions like that.

Stereomaniac

Chris Benoit's picture is in the Encyclopedia that was released last year.

I would induct Ivan Koloff into the Hall Of Fame, and I would remove Shawn Michaels.

krudler

Stereomaniac wrote: »

Chris Benoit's picture is in the Encyclopedia that was released last year.

I would induct Ivan Koloff into the Hall Of Fame, and I would remove Shawn Michaels.

Why? he definitely deserves a spot.

DEFTLEFTHAND

This will probably never happen but I'd like to see the Malenko's inducted. Dean and his late father. (I couldn't see Joe being considered). Dean in particular was an unbelievable in ring talent who inspired Bryan Danielson to become a wrestler, his lack of charisma held him back but surely there's room in a HOF for a talented technical wrestler. His father Boris had a successful career in various NWA promotions and the AWA before starting a school where he trained the likes of Sean Waltman and Buddy Landell.

I'd probably remove Koko B Ware.

gerrybbadd

Macho Man's induction is being held back by his brother Lanny (The Genius), as he wants the entire Poffo family inducted as a whole. Seemingly he has control over Randy's affairs.

I'd love to see Owen Hart go in, but his wife will not allow it.

All of the celeb inductions should be removed, it has ruined the legitimacy of the entire Hall imo. It doesn't matter that Bruno is going in, when you see who's already in there.

I'm surprised Limp Bizkit or Snoop Dogg Haven't gone in yet, given their history with the company, which is more than Drew Carey.

pitythefool

Omackeral wrote: »

1 IN: Lawrence 'LT' Taylor. Obviously as a Celebrity Wing inductee. Taylor actually main evented a Wrestlemania, which is something 95% of Pro Wrestlers never get to achieve. Not only this, but he did it with a high degree of competency. It was one Celebrity match that actually worked quite well. A huge amount of credit would go to his opponent Bam Bam Bigelow, who would've been a great choice to induct him if he didnt pass away before his untimely death.

1 OUT: William 'The Refrigerator' Perry. Straight swap really for LT. One guy was on an undercard battle royal amongst 20 other people, the other was a headline act on the biggest show of the year.

its terrible when people pass away before their untimely death

Omackeral

pitythefool wrote: »

its terrible when people pass away before their untimely death

Here don't be pi**ed off just because you aint in the Celeb Wing. Pity the fool, indeed!

pitythefool

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Macho Man's induction is being held back by his brother Lanny (The Genius), as he wants the entire Poffo family inducted as a whole. Seemingly he has control over Randy's affairs.

I'd love to see Owen Hart go in, but his wife will not allow it.

All of the celeb inductions should be removed, it has ruined the legitimacy of the entire Hall imo. It doesn't matter that Bruno is going in, when you see who's already in there.

I'm surprised Limp Bizkit or Snoop Dogg Haven't gone in yet, given their history with the company, which is more than Drew Carey.

If Lanny has control over Randys affairs, why wasnt he inducted before his death

Vince has said he will never be inducted

krudler

is Bam Bam in it? if not then him. One of the best big men ever.

gerrybbadd

pitythefool wrote: »

If Lanny has control over Randys affairs, why wasnt he inducted before his death

Vince has said he will never be inducted

He has control now Randys dead

pitythefool

gerrybbadd wrote: »

He has control now Randys dead

Thats what I was pointing out

He could have been inducted before his death

Vince is rumoured to have said that he will never be inducted.

Would love to see the hardys, the dudleys edge and christiian inducted at the same time, for the TLC matches and the fact that they had the most successfull tag era in the history of wrestling imo

gerrybbadd

pitythefool wrote: »

Thats what I was pointing out

He could have been inducted before his death

Vince is rumoured to have said that he will never be inducted.

Would love to see the hardys, the dudleys edge and christiian inducted at the same time, for the TLC matches and the fact that they had the most successfull tag era in the history of wrestling imo

I'm in agreement, I can't ever see him being inducted, with the rumours surrounding his involvement with Stephanie and all.

gnfnrhead

pitythefool wrote: »

Thats what I was pointing out

He could have been inducted before his death

Vince is rumoured to have said that he will never be inducted.

Would love to see the hardys, the dudleys edge and christiian inducted at the same time, for the TLC matches and the fact that they had the most successfull tag era in the history of wrestling imo

Edge really doesn't deserve it twice, he hardly even deserves it once right now.

pitythefool

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Edge really doesn't deserve it twice, he hardly even deserves it once right now.

Overall, Edge won 31 championships in WWE, including eleven world championships (the WWE Championship four times and the World Heavyweight Championship a record seven times), five Intercontinental Championships, one United States Championship, 14 tag team championships (a record 12 World Tag Team Championships and two WWE Tag Team Championships), and is one of only three wrestlers (Kurt Angle and Big Show being the others) who has held every currently active male Championship in WWE. In addition to his championship accolades, Copeland won the 2001 King of the Ring tournament, the inaugural Money in the Bank ladder match in 2005, and the Royal Rumble match in 2010 making him the only wrestler in history to achieve all three of those accomplishments.[13]


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GTR63

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Edge really doesn't deserve it twice, he hardly even deserves it once right now.

Flair getting in twice was moronic too. If the other lads can't get in on their own merit they shouldn't get in.

Ando's Saggy Bottom

If anyone deserves to go in twice its someone like Flair (and a select group including the likes of Hogan and Austin). Don't see the problem myself.

pitythefool

GTR63 wrote: »

Flair getting in twice was moronic too. If the other lads can't get in on their own merit they shouldn't get in.

The four horsemen were the firstr stable, they set a standard for others to follow

without them there may not have been dx, the acolytes, the brewd, the hart foundation, the oddities, legacy, evolution etc etc

very deserved imo

pitythefool

GTR63 wrote: »

Flair getting in twice was moronic too. If the other lads can't get in on their own merit they shouldn't get in.

The four horsemen were the firstr stable, they set a standard for others to follow

without them there may not have been dx, the acolytes, the brewd, the hart foundation, the oddities, legacy, evolution etc etc

very deserved imo

pitythefool

another rumour is that Macho Man almost broke Vince and also once assaulted him

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1061077-the-stupidest-wwe-rumors-that-people-actually-believed

pitythefool

Brooklyn Brawler

Never won god bless him

gerrybbadd

pitythefool wrote: »

Brooklyn Brawler

Never won god bless him

He's could be inducted by Barry Horowitz!

supremenovice

I tell you what lads, if the WWE insist on having a Celebrity wing in the HOF, then look no further than inducting Kevin Federline.
K-Fed, a naturally repulsive guy at the best of times, sauntered out on the main event of RAW (New Years Day 2007) to face Cena with all the arrogance of a 20 year veteran heel, goading the fans all the way. Most of the locker-room would rob a bank for that sort of heat with the fans.

Granted, he didnt take a bump but he played his part to near perfection and really got stuck into it. He even done his best for Johnny Nitro who was struggling to connect with the audience at the time (and always did really imo).
When I was watching at the time, I remember thinking Id tune in to watch this guy each week, as bizarre as that might sound.

gnfnrhead

pitythefool wrote: »

Overall, Edge won 31 championships in WWE, including eleven world championships (the WWE Championship four times and the World Heavyweight Championship a record seven times), five Intercontinental Championships, one United States Championship, 14 tag team championships (a record 12 World Tag Team Championships and two WWE Tag Team Championships), and is one of only three wrestlers (Kurt Angle and Big Show being the others) who has held every currently active male Championship in WWE. In addition to his championship accolades, Copeland won the 2001 King of the Ring tournament, the inaugural Money in the Bank ladder match in 2005, and the Royal Rumble match in 2010 making him the only wrestler in history to achieve all three of those accomplishments.[13]


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In future? Yes. Now? No.

Would he be in right now had he not gotten injured? Not a fcuking hope.

gnfnrhead

pitythefool wrote: »

Brooklyn Brawler

Never won god bless him

Technically, he beat Triple H

Sure, it was a handicap match and Jericho(?) helped, but still :pac:

Dude Love 1

Denny M wrote: »

Yeah, but when Foley was announced Bruno wasn't a guarantee, so the WWE probably announced him in case they couldn't get Bruno this year.

Vince can't avoid Bruno for much longer, with the longest run as world champion in history??? I've seen vids of Bruno dissing the WWF in the nineties on WCW television, I wonder how are relations with him and Vince now does anyone know?

Angron

gnfnrhead wrote: »

In future? Yes. Now? No.

Would he be in right now had he not gotten injured? Not a fcuking hope.

Yeah, but if he hadn't gotten injured he'd probably still be wrestling.

chopperbyrne

Dude Love 1 wrote: »

Vince can't avoid Bruno for much longer, with the longest run as world champion in history??? I've seen vids of Bruno dissing the WWF in the nineties on WCW television, I wonder how are relations with him and Vince now does anyone know?

Eh, Bruno was announced as going in this year.

Dude Love 1

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Eh, Bruno was announced as going in this year.

thank you, I never heard