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Richard III found under a carpark!
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04-02-2013 6:05pm#1Confirmation today that the skeletal remains found under a Leicestershire carpark are those of the ill fated King Richard III (King of England and France, Lord of Ireland) who died at the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485. Richard, whose forces outnumbered his rival Henry (Earl of Richmond) was in control until being betrayed by the Stanleys who switched sides to join Henry at a pivotal moment in the battle. Seeing that all was in danger of being lost Richard led a futile charge towards Henry but was cut down within yards of his goal. The last Plantagenet King and the last King to die in battle on British soil.
The immortal lines "A horse! A horse! My kingdom for a horse!" were supposed to have been uttered by Richard but I think that was a Shakespearean addition and "Treason, treason" - referring to the Stanleys -are the more usually accepted. Fascinating stuff and, as usual, in England the scene is now set for a State funeral, a new museum etc.etc.
Resting place for over 500 years of King Richard III. Photo: University of Leicester.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/04/us-britain-richard-idUSBRE9130BW201302043
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Snickers Man wrote: »English me arse! His granny was a Westmeath woman (Anne Mortimer) and his great granny, Isabella of Castille, was Spanish.
He could have played for a number of teams.
Not to mention that the Plantagenets were French.0 -
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knucklehead6 wrote: »how can there be a state funeral? The current heads of state are from the house of Windsor, so how can they allow a state funeral for a member of the house of Plantagenet?
Ah come on now. Richard was the third cousin seventeen times removed of the current sovereign, Elizabeth II.
To name but one connection.
Richard III and Margaret Beaufort, Countess of Richmond were third cousins, each having been a great-great grandchild of King Edward III.
Margaret Beaufort was the mother of Henry VII, nemesis of Richard III and a direct ancestor of the current queen. Her (Margaret's) direct line of descent goes through the Tudors, branching off into the Stuarts and from there to the Hanoverians who became Kings of England in the 18th century when it was decided that Papists were unsuitable for the job.0 -
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Snickers Man wrote: »Ah come on now. Richard was the third cousin seventeen times removed of the current sovereign, Elizabeth II.
To name but one connection.
Richard III and Margaret Beaufort, Countess of Richmond were third cousins, each having been a great-great grandchild of King Edward III.
Margaret Beaufort was the mother of Henry VII, nemesis of Richard III and a direct ancestor of the current queen. Her (Margaret's) direct line of descent goes through the Tudors, branching off into the Stuarts and from there to the Hanoverians who became Kings of England in the 18th century when it was decided that Papists were unsuitable for the job.
I would not call Margaret a direct ancestor? Depends what you mean by direct. The Tudor-Stuart link isn't that bad, but the Hanoverian one was..didn't they pass 60+ Catholic claimants? They ARE related, but barely.0 -
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Corruptedmorals wrote: »I would not call Margaret a direct ancestor? Depends what you mean by direct. The Tudor-Stuart link isn't that bad, but the Hanoverian one was..didn't they pass 60+ Catholic claimants? They ARE related, but barely.
What other meaning of direct ancestor is there?
Margaret Beaufort WAS a direct ancestor of the current queen. This is fact, so far as can be demonstrated with genealogical records.
She was the Great Great Great (times 15) grandmother of Queen Elizabeth II
Margaret Beaufort was the mother of Henry VII who as well as being the father of Henry VIII was also the father of Margaret Tudor who married James IV of Scotland.
She was the mother of James V of Scotland who was the father of Mary Queen of Scots.
She was the mother of James VI of Scotland who became James I of England once Henry VIII's direct descendants died out.
James I, was father of Charles I and also the father of Elizabeth Stuart who married Frederick V, Elector of Palatine and briefly King of Bohemia.
For several reasons, one of them being that they were a protestant family, Frederick and Elizabeth were booted off the throne of Bohemia by forces of the Holy Roman Empire in what started off the notorious 30 Years War(s) in Europe. They became known henceforth as the Winter King and Queen of Bohemia, for being the wrong religion on the wrong throne at the wrong time.
With history's great tendency for irony, their grandson was to benefit from his Stuart cousins being excluded from their rightful ascension to the throne of Britain precisely because they were Catholics and therefore the wrong religion for the wrong throne at the wrong time.
Frederick and Elizabeth's daughter was Sophia of Hannover who was mother of George I of Britain. He was parachuted on to the British throne in the early 18th century, despite not having a word of English, because the Act of Settlement following the Williamite Jacobite Wars (or the Glorious Revolution as the British call it) insisted on only protestants being eligible for the monarchy.
George I was father of George II who was grandfather of George III who was grandfather of Queen Victoria.
She begat Edward VII who begat George V who begat George VI who was the current queen's daddy.
Clear now? 0
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