Ghosts...

davet82

what aload of crap, does anybody actually believe in them?

Ihatecuddles-old

Lots, just look in the creepy thread.

phasers

eh if ghosts didn't exist then why would we have the ghostbusters?

Agricola

Ghosts fall somewhere between unicorns and the resurrection for me

Defiler Of The Coffin

I don't believe in ghosts... but ghost spacemen however are a different matter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solway_Firth_Spaceman

My name is URL

It's ectoplasm.. I promise.

franktheplank

I've heard Richard Dawkins is scared outta his ****e from ghost stories!:D

admiralofthefleet

patrick swayze did. now he is one

CardBordWindow

Rosanna Davison believes in them, and if she's wrong, I don't wanna know what's right!

RikkFlair

OP, watch Most Haunted or more specifically Derek Acorah. Hilarious stuff.

c_man

phasers wrote: »

eh if ghosts didn't exist then why would we have the ghostbusters?

It's a scam. Like the McAfee guys. Or the local STI clinic.

Doc Ruby

RikkFlair wrote: »

OP, watch Most Haunted or more specifically Derek Acorah. Hilarious stuff.

My favourite one of those type shows is A Haunting as it comes closest to Paranormal Activity, great stuff.

gobnaitolunacy

RikkFlair wrote: »

OP, watch Most Haunted or more specifically Derek Acorah. Hilarious stuff.

Spoofer, accompanied by a skittish woman who jumps out of her skin at the sight of anything. Hilarious indeed.

I do - have had many, many experiences that cannot be explained logically, no matter how hard I try.

davet82

Deleted User wrote: »

I do - have had many, many experiences that cannot be explained logically, no matter how hard I try.

stop smoking weed :rolleyes:

eyescreamcone

I ain't 'fraid of no goats!!!




As for ghosts - there is no such thing as ghosts.
NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER!!!

If there was such a thing as ghosts wouldn't there be a lot of ghost cats, dogs and dinosaurs around too???

--Kaiser--

Ghosts are the result of a combination of brains that naturally see patterns (where there are and where there are none) and irrational minds.

"Your heart's desire is to be told some mystery. The mystery is that there is no mystery"

--Kaiser--

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Ghosts are the result of a combination of brains that naturally see patterns (where there are and where there are none) and irrational minds.

"Your heart's desire is to be told some mystery. The mystery is that there is no mystery"

Some of the experiences I've had, this is not the case alas.

--Kaiser--

Deleted User wrote: »

Some of the experiences I've had, this is not the case alas.

Give me an example

davet82

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Give me an example

give an example of what

who are you posting to?

a ghost poster

--Kaiser--

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Give me an example

I have seen about three ghosts, which was a really surreal experience. Alongside this I've lived in two houses that were haunted, with one that definitely was (I wasn't the only person to witness some of the weird things that happened).

However if you want some examples, here you are:

One night my then-girlfriend and I were watching a movie in my bedroom, when suddenly a speaker on the TV fell to the ground with a thud, then got pulled along the ground a few inches - we could hear it moving across the carpet. You could argue the speaker had fallen for a number of reasons, but there was no reason why it should have been pulled across the floor like it did.

Another night I was in bed with my window open - nobody else was in the house except me. Suddenly the door gets kicked open - my first reaction is to jump up and listen, making sure nobody had came in the front door, which could have caused a draught (but probably not strong enough to blow open a door as forcibly as that, especially when there was little or no wind), but couldn't hear anything. Got back into bed, fully awake, when I could feel what seemed like hands against my face, pulling me to look at whatever it was.

If you can give logical explanations for those, excellent. I never jump to the conclusion that it was a ghost, because I know the majority of the time they aren't, but I can't figure out those. And that's only two of many, many, many more examples that had happened through my life.

folan

Ghosts are real, and if you don't accept that then your just a sceptic.

o1s1n

folan wrote: »

Ghosts are real, and if you don't accept that then your just a sceptic.

lolwut?

Please elaborate....

RikkFlair

RikkFlair wrote: »

OP, watch Most Haunted or more specifically Derek Acorah. Hilarious stuff.

"Mary loves Dick!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uD0dPhr9cQ

Three minutes of pure cringe

12gauge dave

The thing with ghosts is if they are real then life after death must be real?
The mind boggles!ha

davet82

Candie wrote: »

"Mary loves Dick!"

"mary has a great love for dick", fcukin' classic :pac:

maximoose

Deleted User wrote: »

I have seen about three ghosts, which was a really surreal experience. Alongside this I've lived in two houses that were haunted, with one that definitely was (I wasn't the only person to witness some of the weird things that happened).

I completely believe you! I've seen a ghost too

It was years ago. I was staying with my great aunt in Connemara. It was a big house, miles from anywhere. During the great famine, a cruel landlord and his beautiful daughter lived there. The story goes he forbade the daughter from marrying a young soldier, it broke her heart and in her despair she hung herself in the bedroom - the room that I was staying in was that very bedroom.

I remember it was icy cold, lit by a single candle. I was drifting off to sleep when suddenly I heard a strange creaking noise.

I was terrified, grabbed my phone and took a picture to try and use the flash as a light. This is how the picture turned out.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

One night my then-girlfriend and I were watching a movie in my bedroom, when suddenly a speaker on the TV fell to the ground with a thud, then got pulled along the ground a few inches - we could hear it moving across the carpet. You could argue the speaker had fallen for a number of reasons, but there was no reason why it should have been pulled across the floor like it did.

You heard it moving across the carpet, and you want a logical explanation for something you didn't witness. Yep, must have been a ghost alright

Another night I was in bed with my window open - nobody else was in the house except me. Suddenly the door gets kicked open - my first reaction is to jump up and listen, making sure nobody had came in the front door, which could have caused a draught (but probably not strong enough to blow open a door as forcibly as that, especially when there was little or no wind), but couldn't hear anything. Got back into bed, fully awake, when I could feel what seemed like hands against my face, pulling me to look at whatever it was.

This is called the chimney effect, your open window caused warm air to funnel towards the vent it was, forcing the door open dramatically on its way. The play of air on your face would feel like being touched, if you're that way inclined to explain it, and even a gentle breeze can gather momentum in the funnelling effect.

If you can give logical explanations for those, excellent. I never jump to the conclusion that it was a ghost, because I know the majority of the time they aren't, but I can't figure out those. And that's only two of many, many, many more examples that had happened through my life.

I don't believe in ghosts, there's always an explanation. Even if it isn't immediately apparent.

Ihatecuddles-old

Candie wrote: »

"Mary loves Dick!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uD0dPhr9cQ

Three minutes of pure cringe

Sure Mary's mad for the willy

folan

o1s1n wrote: »

lolwut?

Please elaborate....

ghosts are real.

by not believing in them, you are a sceptic.

o1s1n

folan wrote: »

ghosts are real.

by not believing in them, you are a sceptic.

If I were a skeptic, I would have doubts as to whether or not they exist.

But I don't. I know they don't exist. Therefore I'm not a skeptic.

folan

o1s1n wrote: »

If I were a skeptic, I would have doubts as to whether or not they exist.

But I don't. I know they don't exist. Therefore I'm not a skeptic.

so what your saying is its harder to see when im taking the piss on the internet?

<taking the piss>interesting</taking the piss>

o1s1n

folan wrote: »

so what your saying is its harder to see when im taking the piss on the internet?

<taking the piss>interesting</taking the piss>

Generally when people take the piss there is a witticism or something else which allows those of intelligence to clearly see they were taking the piss.

Your statement seemed a bit too genuine to be taking the piss. :pac:

folan

o1s1n wrote: »

Generally when people take the piss there is a witticism or something else which allows those of intelligence to clearly see they were taking the piss.

Your statement seemed a bit too genuine to be taking the piss. :pac:

ill dumb it down in future.

Mammanabammana

I was going to post this in the creepy thread this evening but I'm going to put it here as being the closest I can manage to an uncontradictable ghost story.

Some years ago I was working in an old building in Dublin. We finished up late at night (not terribly late, around 10pm or so). As I was going to collect my coat and bag I passed the small section that had been converted into a tea service area, a small corner with sweets, biscuits, a burco etc. As I walked through the door beside the service area, I looked into the area and beside the burco I could see as clear as day the figure of a woman standing there. I could see her clearly enough to see what age she was, what she was wearing, her hair colour, the position she was standing in. All of that.

The building manager was still there so I asked her if the building was haunted, to which she replied "Yep - which one did you see?". So I began to describe to her what I'd seen. As I described the woman, the manager said that I was the third person in the space of a couple of months to see her. Not only that, but she was able, from the descriptions given to her by the other people who'd seen the woman, to describe to me the things I hadn't told her - the colour of the woman's clothes (blue), the type of headwear she was wearing - and then she went in and stood beside the burco and said "Was she standing like this?" and stood in the exact position, with her arms folded - another detail I hadn't told her.

The following week the former manager of the building arrived in. We told him about the ghost that I and others had seen. He was able to tell us who she was, her name, where she was buried - he remembered her from when he was a kid working there. The outfit she was wearing was consistent with what a 1960s tea woman would have been wearing (blue dress, white apron, little blue cap, hair tied back).

So can you give me a logical explanation for that that can logically come to any conclusion, any conclusion at all, OTHER than a ghost?

Ghosts exist, OP. Your choosing not to believe in them is your choice but you can't just settle on a point of view and then decide that you are just absolutely right and every single piece of evidence to the contrary is misinformed, misleading, can be explained even if you don't have the explanation or is just plain wrong, and that, by extension, everybody else who holds a differing point of view is wrong too.

You've already switched from saying you don't believe in them to knowing they don't exist - believing something and knowing something are two different things. You're entitled to believe anything you want. But you can't KNOW ghosts don't exist unless you can prove it. Unless and until you can prove that, it's a matter of believing they don't exist. Otherwise it's;

You - I have no proof but I believe/know, based on my experience, that ghosts don't exist
Me - I have no proof but I believe/know, based on my experience, that ghosts DO exist

Stalemate.

--Kaiser--

Deleted User wrote: »

I have seen about three ghosts, which was a really surreal experience. Alongside this I've lived in two houses that were haunted, with one that definitely was (I wasn't the only person to witness some of the weird things that happened).

However if you want some examples, here you are:

One night my then-girlfriend and I were watching a movie in my bedroom, when suddenly a speaker on the TV fell to the ground with a thud, then got pulled along the ground a few inches - we could hear it moving across the carpet. You could argue the speaker had fallen for a number of reasons, but there was no reason why it should have been pulled across the floor like it did.

Another night I was in bed with my window open - nobody else was in the house except me. Suddenly the door gets kicked open - my first reaction is to jump up and listen, making sure nobody had came in the front door, which could have caused a draught (but probably not strong enough to blow open a door as forcibly as that, especially when there was little or no wind), but couldn't hear anything. Got back into bed, fully awake, when I could feel what seemed like hands against my face, pulling me to look at whatever it was.

If you can give logical explanations for those, excellent. I never jump to the conclusion that it was a ghost, because I know the majority of the time they aren't, but I can't figure out those. And that's only two of many, many, many more examples that had happened through my life.

Unknown phenomena does not equal ghosts, this is irrational thinking

noxqs

The plural of anecdote is not evidence.

Ghost stories is just that - mind playing tricks on people. The human brain will create patterns out of any chaos, and create fake memories and other things to create a coherent story.

This has even been proven in MR scanners, while fake memories was being created by the brain .. It seems real, just like Deja Vus etc.

--Kaiser--

noxqs wrote: »

The plural of anecdote is not evidence.

Ghost stories is just that - mind playing tricks on people. The human brain will create patterns out of any chaos, and create fake memories and other things to create a coherent story.

This has even been proven in MR scanners, while fake memories was being created by the brain .. It seems real, just like Deja Vus etc.

Also, these ghost sightings happen at night, when people may be half asleep and are confusing dreams with reality

Roger_007

Of course ghosts are real. Didn't we build housing estates for them to live in.

firefly08

You've already switched from saying you don't believe in them to knowing they don't exist - believing something and knowing something are two different things. You're entitled to believe anything you want

I hope you won't take this as a personal criticism, but I think that quote says more about your position than anything else. Rationally minded people do not simply believe anything they want. Do you? It's not a question of entitlement. Yet we only ever hear this from confirmed believers - that belief is a choice. Skeptics don't accept that; they believe what evidence compels them to believe. Is your belief in ghosts a personal choice, that you feel entitled to?

That said, I agree with you 100% that it's absurd for someone to insist that something doesn't exist just because they have never seen it.

Dj Grimreefer

I never believed in what ghosts have to say,
I can always see right through them

--Kaiser--

firefly08 wrote: »

That said, I agree with you 100% that it's absurd for someone to insist that something doesn't exist just because they have never seen it.

It's absurd to insist something doesn't exist because I haven't seen it - a blue whale, for example.

It's not absurd to insist something doesn't exist because there is no evidence for it's existence.

"That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"

Reoil

o1s1n wrote: »

I know they don't exist. Therefore I'm not a skeptic.

While I too think ghosts are a load of bull****, I can't say that I know that they don't exist. Nobody does. There is no proof that they don't exist.
Of course, there is obsoletely no proof/evidence that they do exist at all. But similarly, there is no proof that they don't exist either.

Again, I don't believe in ghosts.

12gauge dave

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Unknown phenomena does not equal ghosts, this is irrational thinking

So enlighten us with your rational explanation for what this person seen?

Mammanabammana

firefly08 wrote: »

I hope you won't take this as a personal criticism, but I think that quote says more about your position than anything else. Rationally minded people do not simply believe anything they want. Do you? It's not a question of entitlement. Yet we only ever hear this from confirmed believers - that belief is a choice. Skeptics don't accept that; they believe what evidence compels them to believe. Is your belief in ghosts a personal choice, that you feel entitled to?

That said, I agree with you 100% that it's absurd for someone to insist that something doesn't exist just because they have never seen it.

No personal slight taken at all. However, I'm not sure you read my entire post, which I think clarifies why I believe in ghosts. My belief in ghosts was just as dubious as the OP until I personally experienced one. I don't believe in them because of some nebulous belief in the ethereal or spirit world, I believe in them because I can logically see absolutely no explanation whatsoever for what happened. I remain openminded to the possibility that it was something else, and would welcome a convincing rationale. I personally, however, cannot for the life of me conceive of any other explanation.

Reoil

Reoil wrote: »

While I too think ghosts are a load of bull****, I can't say that I know that they don't exist. Nobody does. There is no proof that they don't exist.
Of course, there is obsoletely no proof/evidence that they do exist at all. But similarly, there is no proof that they don't exist either.

Obviously evidence of absence can't be inferred from absence of evidence, but philosophically it is a reasonable stance to take that the concept is so irrational, the evidence so resolutely unforthcoming in spite of many attempts to provide it, and the reliance on belief among those who... well, believe, that while concrete evidence disproving the existence of ghosts does not exist, the likelihood of their existence is so overwhelmingly remote and miniscule, that it amounts to the same thing.

I cannot prove pink unicorns don't exist either, but it's not unreasonable to say I know they don't.

--Kaiser--

12gauge dave wrote: »

So enlighten us with your rational explanation for what this person seen?

I wasn't there, plus, another post made a good attempt.
Fantastical explanation for phenomena go along with fashions; back in the heavily religious influenced middle ages, people would see witches and demons, later on ghosts became more popular, nowadays it's more likely to be aliens

Diabhal Beag

Aliens are a billion times better than ghosts.

Rheo

"I saw something that I couldn't explain, therefore I can explain it"

Pretty much how most ghost stories go.

12gauge dave

I understand why people dont believe in ghosts and i have never seen one myself to be fair but ive heard too many storys from people who have no reason to lie and yes there maybe some scientific reason of there mind playing tricks or something but its very easy to say oh ur mind does this and that and thats why u think u seen that!
I know im off topic but ive also friends whoi have played ouiji board(however you spell it) and have sworn of talking to unknown sources of energy for a lack of better wording! I would never get involved in a game to be honest as much as it intrigues me storys of bad luck etc?
Has anyone here playes ouji board?

12gauge dave

12gauge dave wrote: »

ive heard too many storys from people who have no reason to lie and yes there maybe some scientific reason of there mind playing tricks or something but its very easy to say oh ur mind does this and that and thats why u think u seen that!

Because putting it down to a ghost makes more sense?