An post warning

Celly Smunt

Just found this on The best shop

Dear Customers.
This morning we had a phone call from Dublin Airport Security.
We have been told that from now on we and other e-cig vendors cannot send any liquids by AnPost Ireland.
Even clean water is prohibited!
If they will find even small amount of liquid inside any package they will destroy it without notice.
Full list of prohibited items have been posted on AnPost Ireland website

http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/MainContent/Personal+Customers/Sending+Mail/Speed/Prohibited+items.htm

You can see there:
"Liquids (of any kind including water, alcohol, gels, creams, aftershaves and perfumes)"

We're trying to find some other way to ship e-liquids, maybe DHL Express would help us with this.
We just don't know yet.
Hopefully we can get back to normal soon.

Regards
TBS Team

just a heads up for anybody getting juice through an post.

Spectreon666

Don't the Thebestshop not ship by Fastway couriers anyways? All my packages are delivered by Fastway couriers. Obviously this would be relevant towards other suppliers who ship by Anpost.

Celly Smunt

Spectreon666 wrote: »

Don't the Thebestshop not ship by Fastway couriers anyways? All my packages are delivered by Fastway couriers. Obviously this would be relevant towards other suppliers who ship by Anpost.

As far as i recall from the last time i ordered from them you're given a choice,but fastway was always only 50cent more expensive anyway.

Gran Hermano

From the link above, An Post will not handle liquids on international post.
If you're ordering from an Irish shop and delivery is domestic and within Ireland I don't see the problem,.

Spectreon666

Oh ok...I thought it was standard cause my cart at TBS at the moment is only giving fastway couriers and it was the same yesterday aswell.

kiffy

Gran Hermano wrote: »

From the link above, An Post will not handle liquids on international post.
If you're ordering from an Irish shop and delivery is domestic and within Ireland I don't see the problem,.

That rules out so ordering nicotine and e liquid from China, America and elsewhere in the future so by cheap airmail deliveries, it will all have to come now via couriers at exorbitant shipping costs.

Silverfish

This is international outbound post, so I don't think it affects deliveries coming TO Ireland from overseas.

I hope not anyway, as I always order perfumes / makeup whatever from outside Ireland.

kiffy

Silverfish wrote: »

I hope not anyway, as I always order perfumes / makeup whatever from outside Ireland.

Yeah me too

Spectreon666

I just pulled this off the Royal Mail website http://www.royalmail.com/small-medium-business/international-business/using-international-services/delivery-other-countries/irish-republic

Section 4 under Prohibitions mentions that AnPost is not accepting liquids due to IATA regulations.

Lenin Skynard

I was going to order with TBS earlier and once I noticed Fastway was their carrier now I decided not to, but the site says that this will apply to all mail carrying liquid. Seems like sending it domestically would be ok but this isn't evident in their options for delivery methods.

I only really was happy to use normal post as it comes in through my door without being signed for, I'm not usually in to receive things like this. Can someone suggest another vendor to me that will drop me off some stuff through regular post? There's no alternative to Fastway on TBS' site.

kiffy

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

I was going to order with TBS earlier and once I noticed Fastway was their carrier now I decided not to, but the site says that this will apply to all mail carrying liquid. Seems like sending it domestically would be ok but this isn't evident in their options for delivery methods.

I only really was happy to use normal post as it comes in through my door without being signed for, I'm not usually in to receive things like this. Can someone suggest another vendor to me that will drop me off some stuff through regular post? There's no alternative to Fastway on TBS' site.

I have tried 2 other websites to check if they still delever juice by an post and they still give that option on check out, but might be prudent to wait as they might not have had time to make the changes to their website's yet if it affects internal post and not just international.

Silverfish

kiffy wrote: »

Yeah me too

If this is true I'm going to smell like crap because 1) I won't have perfume and 2) I'll be back on the smokes.

Lenin Skynard

kiffy wrote: »

I have tried 2 other websites to check if they still delever juice by an post and they still give that option on check out, but might be prudent to wait as they might not have had time to make the changes to their website's yet if it affects internal post and not just international.

Which ones?

superneat

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

I was going to order with TBS earlier and once I noticed Fastway was their carrier now I decided not to, but the site says that this will apply to all mail carrying liquid. Seems like sending it domestically would be ok but this isn't evident in their options for delivery methods.

I only really was happy to use normal post as it comes in through my door without being signed for, I'm not usually in to receive things like this. Can someone suggest another vendor to me that will drop me off some stuff through regular post? There's no alternative to Fastway on TBS' site.

I've used TBS for a lot of orders recently and always opt for the fastway option. As long as the package will fit through the letterbox, the driver will pop it through, had this happen twice last week.

This option is fine for me as everything I've received from them has been really well wrapped.

kiffy

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

Which ones?

www.e-cigshop.eu
and
http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/

Silverfish

kiffy wrote: »

www.e-cigshop.eu
and
http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/

They aren't international though? Pretty sure it's only international, if it's to do with the IATA.

kiffy

superneat wrote: »

I've used TBS for a lot of orders recently and always opt for the fastway option. As long as the package will fit through the letterbox, the driver will pop it through, had this happen twice last week.

This option is fine for me as everything I've received from them has been really well wrapped.

I'm the same as Lenny very seldom in to sign for it. so Fastaways is not a good option for me either, but I'm not sure doers this new ruling cover domestic deliveries or just deliveries arriving in Ireland being sent to shops and business's etc?

kiffy

Silverfish wrote: »

They aren't international though? Pretty sure it's only international, if it's to do with the IATA.

Hope your right and TBS has got the wrong end of the stick

Silverfish

kiffy wrote: »

Hope your right and TBS has got the wrong end of the stick

I think they might have, I hope they do anyway.

I have an order on the way via USPS so I hope that gets through

Burdock

I literally just ordered stuff from esmokeireland

The Pontiac

But why?

Silverfish

Burdock wrote: »

I literally just ordered stuff from esmokeireland

So did I, and I got it today, which makes me think it's just international.

Burdock

Silverfish wrote: »

So did I, and I got it today, which makes me think it's just international.

Hopefully ! I suppose I'll find out in a couple of days

kiffy

What I can't understand about this is? Did anyone know anything about this, how can anyone enforce this regulation when the public have no idea it existed, have never been informed this was about to be implemented.

Half the County could have ordered some form of liquids from abroad not knowing that if they were detected the contents would be destroyed or dumped.

Watched the news tonight before work and saw no mention of it.

Silverfish

Just had a look there and this has been in place since 2001.

kiffy

Silverfish wrote: »

Just had a look there and this has been in place since 2001.

Should have guessed, Ireland always decades behind every other bugger
But they still should have made it public they they are about to start enforcing it 12 years after everyone had forgotten about it.

grindle

Just not enforced? I'm loathe to use the term, but that's pretty fùcking Irish.

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kiffy

grindle wrote: »

Just not enforced? I'm loathe to use the term, but that's pretty fùcking Irish.

Breaking News: Same-sex marriage legalised in controversial new bill passed in 1922!

Bloody hell it's legal, I'm fecking off then before they make it compulsory :eek:

grindle

Too late Kiffy, we have you surrounded.

*snap of latex in the background*

kiffy

grindle wrote: »

Too late Kiffy, we have you surrounded.

*snap of latex in the background*

I'm keeping my back to the wall then, there will be no "form a circle" with me and "it's ur turn in the barrell tonight"

Silverfish

Apparently it was always enforced, lots of people complaining about it back to 2002, just depended on whether it was declared as liquids or not.

Eg. "I want to post these bottles of X in this box" - not okay

"I want to post this box" - okay

Nonamigo

Just today I posted some parfume as presents to relatives to russia and they accepted it at anpost with no problems

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

im glad my bulk orders from china back in the day had been labeled toy doll houses

having 100 euro worth of juice destroyed would have been quite irritating


bart from thebestshop siad it's international only anyway so we're good for ireland to ireland. kinda screws any of the irish websites though and if they're relying only on the irish market, we could see a couple fold

republic of goon

it's only international outbound post. I went to the post office last week and posted liquid to sir digby no problem but had another package for my bro in manchester. was ask if there was liquid in the manchester one and that they no longer posted liquids and if they were found they'd b destroyed. Internal is still fine.

Mr. Chrome

Had alot of trouble ordering e-liquid from china recently, acording to the vendor customs are x-raying all parcels and not allowing liquids through, at least we have some good vendors here:)

jamie72

As many of you may know, I'm doing this. Should I expect any problems with the package comming from the UK? Should I register the package or leave it unregistered.

Silverfish

If it helps, I just had an order of liquids come through from Mom and Pops Vapour in the States, no problems. Package marked 'Aromatherapy'. How terribly true.

Did take a while, was about to open the bottles and drink them by the time they arrived.

Stealthirl

Well im going to be ordering stuff from Vaporcast next month so hopefully i have the same experance as the order will be over €100

the_syco

Would a possible shhhhhneaky way to get around this be to use something like parcel motel? An added €3.50 to the postage, but you may get the free delivery thing as the parcel motel is based up north... :pac:

Dan Jaman

If An Post want to get really snitty about it...
http://www.royalmail.com/irish-republic
Restrictions...
"Tobacco and manufactured tobacco substitutes."

So, inbound mail can be caught by liquid ban and also restrictions on nicotine extract, if they choose to interpret it that way. Make no mistake, as an arm of the Government, An Post will act the maggot if tobacco revenue drops from too much vaping going on and under directions of the High Heid Yin in the Finance Ministry will attempt to strangle the loophole.

kiffy

Dan Jaman wrote: »

If An Post want to get really snitty about it...
http://www.royalmail.com/irish-republic
Restrictions...
"Tobacco and manufactured tobacco substitutes."

So, inbound mail can be caught by liquid ban and also restrictions on nicotine extract, if they choose to interpret it that way. Make no mistake, as an arm of the Government, An Post will act the maggot if tobacco revenue drops from too much vaping going on and under directions of the High Heid Yin in the Finance Ministry will attempt to strangle the loophole.

Didn't spot anything in the restrictions Dan about e-juice or any catagory it might fall under, most of us will be getting in juice at zero nic and adding our own nic to suit the mg strength we want, that's not to say it won't be added in time to the list under some form or other.

My Chinese is coming on great, lessons are expensive though "wah u wan"

csi vegas

Dan Jaman wrote: »

If An Post want to get really snitty about it...
http://www.royalmail.com/irish-republic
Restrictions...
"Tobacco and manufactured tobacco substitutes."

So, inbound mail can be caught by liquid ban and also restrictions on nicotine extract, if they choose to interpret it that way. Make no mistake, as an arm of the Government, An Post will act the maggot if tobacco revenue drops from too much vaping going on and under directions of the High Heid Yin in the Finance Ministry will attempt to strangle the loophole.

B******s the lot of them! Tobacco - I get it but its substitutes? I wonder just how long their little substitute crackdown has been in place?
I would guess it's a very very recent thing.

Three weeks and three days since I stopped smoking. I feel alive, the same as I felt at 14 before I became hooked. I can breathe and I can sleep without the panic of not smoking again for 8+ hours.
I would chain smoke at night, almost 'stockpiling' the fix for when I'd be asleep.
I'd even get up again, in the dead of night, just to smoke, one after another, after another.
A puff or two on my PV now and I'm more than satisfied. I don't feel the need to vape all that's in my atty, as I would finish a whole cigarette right down to the butt.

I was not much different to a junkie and it is they, the clowns at Dáil Éireann and such other fools who made it legal for me to become such an addict and now they want to remove my right to transit to a cleaner, safer, healthier alternative just to force me back to paying them almost €10 a day.
They'll probably lower the age of smoking next.

Now I'm mad. Really mad :mad: and on that note I'm off to compose a really mad, angry letter to MEP pr!ck.

Dan Jaman

csi vegas wrote: »

B******s the lot of them! Tobacco - I get it but its substitutes? I wonder just how long their little substitute crackdown has been in place?
I would guess it's a very very recent thing.

Once vaping gets popular enough and fag smoking goes down enough, leading to a drop in tobacco revenue, the Govt will look at taxing nic juice of all sorts. EU oars notwithstanding, it would be a foolish govt that ignored a lucrative revenue stream and it would feel justified, for after all, are these not the people who were paying tobacco tax before they vaped?
Arm in arm with this will be an enforced restriction on the amount and strength of personal imports of nic juice - can't have the entire populace trying to evade paying their duty, now can we?
This is the way the the b&stards' minds work.

csi vegas

kiffy wrote: »

Didn't spot anything in the restrictions Dan about e-juice or any catagory it might fall under, most of us will be getting in juice at zero nic and adding our own nic to suit the mg strength we want, that's not to say it won't be added in time to the list under some form or other.

My Chinese is coming on great, lessons are expensive though "wah u wan"

It's in there alright, as you say it's under Restrictions - the 'Tobacco and manufactured tobacco substitutes' would most definitely mean e-juice.

How will we be able to get liquid at all (even containing 0% nic) in to the country?
The liquid ban is I know in effect for quite a while already but it's really only now that they are going to start clamping down, with the sole purpose of intercepting e-juice.

The same goes for 'adding own nic' - in what form? Again, liquid?
I know people here are talking about 'extracting' it themselves from leaves but really, can this be done and tobacco is itself very expensive.
Vast quantities would be needed I imagine, in order to extract anything useful.

The seasoned posters of Vaping seem pretty optimistic about it all and what they'll do if and when but hard as I try to imagine possibilities, I really can't see a way round it.
Talk of Chinese suppliers etc - it kind of sounds un-do-able

What is the procedure regarding having something sent from overseas by courier?
Extortionate I know but (and excuse me for being so clueless here) does everything imported via courier have to pass through An Post and Customs sorting warehouses?
Or do they have their own warehouses (UPS etc) and restrict/screen there instead?
I'm curious because I wonder how e-juice vendors might survive.
And how I might get my menthol. My lovely, lovely menthol.

kiffy

csi vegas wrote: »

What is the procedure regarding having something sent from overseas by courier?
Extortionate I know but (and excuse me for being so clueless here) does everything imported via courier have to pass through An Post and Customs sorting warehouses?
Or do they have their own warehouses (UPS etc) and restrict/screen there instead?
I'm curious because I wonder how e-juice vendors might survive.
And how I might get my menthol. My lovely, lovely menthol.

I bought an 808-D2 PCC from one of the chinese crowds last year, the PCC cost me €16 (€28 with DHL charge), by the time I unwrapped it total cost was €64.
Got done for customs tax and another charge from DHL, shower of Basturds.

Also dont know how they can class e-juice as "'Tobacco and manufactured tobacco substitutes' as it's made from PG/VG and flavourings, with no nic in it, they cant touch it.

csi vegas

Dan Jaman wrote: »

Once vaping gets popular enough and fag smoking goes down enough, leading to a drop in tobacco revenue, the Govt will look at taxing nic juice of all sorts. EU oars notwithstanding, it would be a foolish govt that ignored a lucrative revenue stream and it would feel justified, for after all, are these not the people who were paying tobacco tax before they vaped?
Arm in arm with this will be an enforced restriction on the amount and strength of personal imports of nic juice - can't have the entire populace trying to evade paying their duty, now can we?
This is the way the the b&stards' minds work.

If this will be the worst case scenario then I could live with it. This sounds possible. Because it's a rare smoker who quits cigarettes based on the cost alone. When you're addicted, cost doesn't even factor.

If (and I'm sure when, not that they care) it can be proven that you can produce a 100% pure, natural and safe e-liquid, even if the cost be close to a pack of 20, I know that people will choose the liquid over the leaves, hands down.

You're right about the revenue. Speaking as a very new convert and the last person to ever even consider quitting, I know this will not be a niche market. It will turn mainstream.

Right too about imposing personal restrictions on the individual.
So long as it's not strictly confined to the discretion of a G.P's surgery,
I could live with that also.

csi vegas

kiffy wrote: »

I bought an 808-D2 PCC from one of the chinese crowds last year, the PCC cost me €16 (€28 with DHL charge), by the time I unwrapped it total cost was €64.
Got done for customs tax and another charge from DHL, shower of Basturds.

Also dont know how they can class e-juice as "'Tobacco and manufactured tobacco substitutes' as it's made from PG/VG and flavourings, with no nic in it, they cant touch it.

But not all e-juice is nic-free. Please don't tell me I have been vaping nic-free Liqua for the past three weeks!
Don't go telling me I was to add nic concentrate or something! :eek:

Besides though (I think I'm having a withdrawal now THANKS) they can't be sure whether a juice contains it or not without opening to test, which if it were allowed nic-free, it would be impossible to determine each and every single bottle.
Manufacturers could then deliberately label it as nic-free if this were the case (mmm what a sexy fantasy in the world where I govern!).

Either way though, it's still a liquid.
If they did (and I very much doubt they would) test all bottles coming through in the future, the rigmarole involved would result in x3 the cost of what you originally paid (like your poor self with your PCC) and months waiting on it too.

Worst case scenarios. It's horrible to even have to think this way

jamie72

csi vegas wrote: »

But not all e-juice is nic-free. Please don't tell me I have been vaping nic-free Liqua for the past three weeks!
Don't go telling me I was to add nic concentrate or something! :eek:

Besides though (I think I'm having a withdrawal now THANKS) they can't be sure whether a juice contains it or not without opening to test, which if it were allowed nic-free, it would be impossible to determine each and every single bottle.
Manufacturers could then deliberately label it as nic-free if this were the case (mmm what a sexy fantasy in the world where I govern!).

Either way though, it's still a liquid.
If they did (and I very much doubt they would) test all bottles coming through in the future, the rigmarole involved would result in x3 the cost of what you originally paid (like your poor self with your PCC) and months waiting on it too.

Worst case scenarios. It's horrible to even have to think this way

Just because he ordered nic free doesn't mean you did.

csi vegas

jamie72 wrote: »

Just because he ordered nic free doesn't mean you did.

I know but still...a liquid...

DirtyBollox

Not entirely sure this is in effect yet, ordered and received today 18 bottles of juice from inawara and they posted it from Poland

grindle

It's posting it out of Ireland DB, and it's the usual Irish "maybe, probably not, but maybe" approach. Apparently it's been going on the last 11 years because of 9/11. Talk about hysteria.