1 in a 100 of us have this Asperger's syndrome

Ranicand

In short people who have this condition have a brain that is wired in a different way to the majority.

Non verbal cues and body language are missed.
Because of this eye contact is difficult with strangers.
People with Aspergers find multitasking difficult to impossible that is why people with the condition have a long attention span doing one thing at a time until complete.
Lastly our senses can be over sensitive and some sounds can sound 3 times as loud to us like car horns and so on.

Due to these processing differences people with Aspergers are not good at small talk and tend to think in terms of fairness and logic.

Lastly people with Aspergers are not retarded and have normal to above normal IQ.

People with Aspergers are always rejected by other children and then later by other adults.
Life for somebody with Aspergers is just one bullying nightmare.

The guy who did the school shooting in the USA reportedly had the condition.
As usual people blamed the condition.

My guess was he was bullied to breaking point and that is how he reacted.

Others who are bullied have killed themselves and people with the condition have a high suicide rate.

Now this from a logical thinking Aspie as we call ourselves.

The country has been flooded by immigrants with no background checks and anybody who raises the subject is branded a Nazi.

However right under our noses children with Aspergers and children without it are bullied to the point of wanting to kill themselves and nobody does a thing about it.

So in capitals for those that missed the point.

MAKING A COMMENT THAT IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT MAKES A PERSON WORSE THEN A NAZI

CHILDREN ARE ROUTINELY BULLIED TO THE POINT THEY WANT TO DIE IN SCHOOLS UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY AND NO OUTRAGE.

lazygal

Why are you shouting IN THE LAST TWO SENTENCES?

Daroxtar

How's Godwin these days?

Melion

A member of my family has it, hes only 10 but something just isnt right "in" him. I know its a horrible thing to say but i think he is going to be a dangerous individual when he is a bit older.

maximoose

Ass in our burgers? As if the horse wasn't bad enough

eviltwin

Wouldn't surprise me.

My 15 yr old was diagnosed with Aspergers this year, took years of trying to get people to understand that she wasn't just "weird" and that there was a medical condition behind it. Having learnt so much about it in the past 12 months I can see those same traits in older members of our family who I think must also have Aspergers but were just passed off as being a bit oddball.

Thankfully we haven't had any crap to deal with - yet but then we haven't been talking publically about it. Its horrible that people still get bullied over things like this.

hardCopy

What the hell has Aspergers got to do with xenophobia?

pablomakaveli

I think my cousin has it. He's only a young lad but he does seem to have a high level of intelligence.

Ranicand

lazygal wrote: »

Why are you shouting IN THE LAST TWO SENTENCES?

Because that is the main point I wanted to get across the rest of the post is just background.

The point again people are outraged my what the media tells them to be outraged by but the problems of bullying that has cost lives and ruined countless more gets very little attention and no action.

starlings

Ranicand wrote: »

MAKING A COMMENT THAT IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT MAKES A PERSON WORSE THEN A NAZI

CHILDREN ARE ROUTINELY BULLIED TO THE POINT THEY WANT TO DIE IN SCHOOLS UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY AND NO OUTRAGE.

Outrage doesn't solve problems. "Aspie" logical thinking and concentration might.

Ranicand

hardCopy wrote: »

What the hell has Aspergers got to do with xenophobia?

I said we have imported people WITHOUT background checks.
Even raising the subject you bring in emotive terms like xenophobia.

My post is about bullying and I am exposing misguided outrage on one subject and deafening silence on a real problem.

Madam_X

Ranicand wrote: »

the problems of bullying that has cost lives and ruined countless more gets very little attention and no action.

That is just not true.

Ranicand

Daroxtar wrote: »

How's Godwin these days?

And we do have a sense of humor.

Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis, and they have lost the argument.:D

Back on topic we had two well know cases of children killing themselves due to bullying.

Again I ask why not outrage?

Mr. McGreg

It's a horrible life sentence. I know a lad with aspergers and even though people know there's something not quite right with him they tend to mock him anyway. It's fairly difficult to talk with people with aspergers as they can often end up insulting someone without ever meaning to. Couldn't imagine what they must be feeling to be fair.

Ranicand

Madam_X wrote: »

That is just not true.

I can assure you I was bullied all the way through school and the bullies NEVER got into trouble.

When I stood up for myself which was not often I got into trouble.

Kids these days see death as the only option so I would stick by my assertion there is no outrage fitting the scale of the problem.

Madam_X

Ranicand wrote: »

we had two well know cases of children killing themselves due to bullying.

Again I ask why not outrage?

There obviously was outrage about those girls - why are you pretending there wasn't?
Also, I'd be of the "blame the little bullying *****" view rather than blaming faceless decent people simply because they're part of the same society.

Ranicand

Madam_X wrote: »

There obviously was outrage about those girls - why are you pretending there wasn't?
Also, I'd be of the "blame the little bullying *****" view rather than blaming faceless decent people simply because they're part of the same society.

The mother of one girl went to the Guards and they did nothing.

The little bitches responsible got Garda protection.

Nobody has faced any charges or disciple.

Use a racist word and you may find yourself in court but bully somebody to death and your fine.

jordainius

Ranicand wrote: »

I can assure you I was bullied all the way through school and the bullies NEVER got into trouble.

When I stood up for myself which was not often I got into trouble.

Kids these days see death as the only option so I would stick by my assertion there is no outrage fitting the scale of the problem.

No, no they don't. If that were the case we'd probably have anything up to 100 kids a day killing themselves in this country.

mikom

Ranicand wrote: »

MAKING A COMMENT THAT IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT MAKES A PERSON WORSE THEN A NAZI

Fixed your post by adding a comma.

MAKING A COMMENT THAT IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT MAKES A PERSON WORSE, THEN A NAZI.


I'm an excellent poster............. gotta go to Afterhours.

Matt_Trakker

Ranicand wrote: »

The country has been flooded by immigrants with no background checks and anybody who raises the subject is branded a Nazi.

This is relevant to the topic, very relevant. Well done.

Ranicand wrote: »

MAKING A COMMENT THAT IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT MAKES A PERSON WORSE THEN A NAZI

CHILDREN ARE ROUTINELY BULLIED TO THE POINT THEY WANT TO DIE IN SCHOOLS UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY AND NO OUTRAGE.

Haha, you're shouting at your computer screen.

Ranicand

jordainius wrote: »

No, no they don't. If that were the case we'd probably have anything up to 100 kids a day killing themselves in this country.

Your saying I am wrong what are you basing that on an opinion?


Aspie logic again I bet you have not bothered to read up on any of these subjects but you will take a stand and stick to it regardless.

Suicide is a last option and many kids will feel like it or even attempt it without dying.

Nobody really wants to kill themselves it's usually the end of a painful road.

Children and bullies operate in packs I have seen it and I have also seen countless people deny it.

Sauve

OP is your point about Asbergers' or online bullying, or a connection between the two?
I'm totally lost here..

Ranicand

Madam_X is a prime example of what I am talking about she posts one post with a very short sentence and throws around her thanks to anybody that disagrees with me.


She has no substance she is operating is the heard pack mentality.

I have raised a subject that people want to deny because the truth makes people uncomfortable.

Up and down the country day in day out children dread going to school because of bullying.

People with Aspergers tend to be targets but many other children find they school life a living hell.

Ahh she just posted a decent post.

Bad Santa

Not one bit surprised as I hate the stuff and it makes your pee stink.

Ranicand

Sauve wrote: »

OP is your point about Asbergers' or online bullying, or a connection between the two?
I'm totally lost here..

People with Aspergers and not good in groups and tend to be targets for bullies but you don't have to have the condition to be bullied.

orestes

OP have you anything to back any of this up with? Any article that show a link between aspergers and suicide? Any statistics of suicide rates amongst children compared to the amount of children diagnosed with aspergers or something like that? Or any information on child suicide rates at all actually? How about anything to indicate that the cases of those two girls who took their own lives had aspergers or something?

Cos guess what, kids were bullying the shit out of each other since the beginning of time, cos kids can just be bastards like that. Kids get picked on for all sorts of reasons. I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is. Aspy, fatty, ginger, speccy, lanky, stumpy, nerd, geek, take your pic.

I agree that bullying is serious and needs to be dealt with, but barely coherent Maude Flanders "Won't someone think of the children!" ranting isn't going to do anybody any favours, and just belittles the seriousness of the issues. Creating awareness is not the same thing as screaming from the rooftops.

Linking aspergers to bullying to suicide to immigrants to nazis. Really?

BizzyC

I was with you until

Lastly people with Aspergers are not retarded and have normal to above normal IQ.

So it's ok to call people who do have below average IQ retarded?

MAKING A COMMENT THAT IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT MAKES A PERSON WORSE THEN A NAZI

Ranicand

orestes wrote: »

OP have you anything to back any of this up with? Any article that show a link between aspergers and suicide? Any statistics of suicide rates amongst children compared to the amount of children diagnosed with aspergers or something like that? Or any information on child suicide rates at all actually? How about anything to indicate that the cases of those two girls who took their own lives had aspergers or something?

Cos guess what, kids were bullying the shit out of each other since the beginning of time, cos kids can just be bastards like that. Kids get picked on for all sorts of reasons. I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is. Aspy, fatty, ginger, speccy, lanky, stumpy, nerd, geek, take your pic.

I agree that bullying is serious and needs to be dealt with, but barely coherent Maude Flanders "Won't someone think of the children!" ranting isn't going to do anybody any favours, and just belittles the seriousness of the issues. Creating awareness is not the same thing as screaming from the rooftops.

Linking aspergers to bullying to suicide to immigrants to nazis. Really?

No let us get your points clear.

No research has been done into a link between Aspergers and suicide.

People with Aspergers get bullied that is a fact I can back up having spoken to many other people with the condition.

One can be bullied for any reason and kids are ****s.

Lastly there is a clear link between bullying and suicide and people with Aspergers get bullied more often.

jordainius

Ranicand wrote: »

Your saying I am wrong what are you basing that on an opinion?

Yes, I am saying that you are wrong, based on the fact that bullying is a widespread issie which happens in every school in the country, and the fact that despite this there are not up to 100 kids a day killing themselves as a result. Thus, they contrary to your claim, they in fact do not see death as the only option.

Aspie logic again I bet you have not bothered to read up on any of these subjects but you will take a stand and stick to it regardless.

For reasons I am choosing not to disclose I do know a lot about Aspergers, probably more than you, at least as much as you. I choose not to lecture people about it on the internet. I choose not to present my opinions as facts, and if I did choose to lecture on the internet about this I would provide links to back up my claims.

Suicide is a last option and many kids will feel like it or even attempt it without dying.

Last option? You said "only" option a minute ago. At least you seem to agree with me now.

Nobody really wants to kill themselves it's usually the end of a painful road.

Okay, this has absolutely nothing to do with my post, but I'll reply anyway. If people didn't want to kill themselves they wouldn't do it. Unfortunately, for a multitude of reasons, they choose to do so on a daily basis, because sadly they want to.

Children and bullies operate in packs I have seen it and I have also seen countless people deny it.

Sometimes they operate in packs, sometimes they don't. I don't think there is denial about this in general.

This is not as black and white as you want it to be.

grizzly

The term Asperger's will soon be outdated. Now under the umbrella term Autism Spectrum Disorder. Also, did Spock have Asperger's?

orestes

Ranicand wrote: »

No let us get your points clear.

No research has been done into a link between Aspergers and suicide.

People with Aspergers get bullied that is a fact I can back up having spoken to many other people with the condition.

One can be bullied for any reason and kids are ****s.

Ok, so we agree that people are bullied for pretty much any reason and there is nothing to show of any connection between aspergers and suicide.....

Ranicand wrote: »

Lastly there is a clear link between bullying and suicide and people with Aspergers get bullied more often.

....but then you go ahead and invent the connection anyway.

How do you know kids with aspergers get bullied more than other kids? We already agreed kids get bullied for any number of reasons, what leads you to think aspergers sufferers get bullied more? This is a serious question by the way, because this is a very serious subject on several points.

RossFixxxed

LOUD NOISES!

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE SHOUTING!!!!

Ranicand

BizzyC wrote: »

I was with you until


So it's ok to call people who do have below average IQ retarded?

That is what I don't get I said we operate in a logical way.

The word retarded means in it's proper use limited.

Low IQ and the term mentally retarded fit.

Having Aspergers I mean what I say don't try and read between the lines there is not hidden meaning.

For the word retard to have bad coronations assorted with it is not my fault and I used in the correct manner and not to cause offense.

Your not with me any longer so every point I made that you agreed with is now mute because you decided to be offended by my correct use of a word and read meaning into it that I did not intend.

Jaxxy

Ranicand wrote: »

No let us get your points clear.

No research has been done into a link between Aspergers and suicide.

People with Aspergers get bullied that is a fact I can back up having spoken to many other people with the condition.

One can be bullied for any reason and kids are ****s.

Lastly there is a clear link between bullying and suicide and people with Aspergers get bullied more often.

Where is this clear link? These statements are based on your own experiences and speaking to others with Aspergers. I'm sorry, that doesn't make it conclusive.

The vast majority of Aspergers sufferers that I have spoken to were not schooled conventionally.

starlings

OP, you may not realise this, but outrage and shouting in capital letters are intimidating attitudes. You won't get far trying to shout down bullies; you'll just alienate people who might have been sympathetic - your attack on Madam_X is a case in point - and she's far from a bully!

Bullying might be better addressed, patiently, on a case-by-case basis, by applying the Aspie skills of logic, fairness and concentration you wrote about in your first post. If you want to let off steam, and we all need to do that sometimes, do some strenuous exercise or pop some bubble wrap - whatever you can do on your own that helps - and never let the bullies see they have gotten to you.

BizzyC

Ranicand wrote: »

That is what I don't get I said we operate in a logical way.

The word retarded means in it's proper use limited.

Low IQ and the term mentally retarded fit.

Having Aspergers I mean what I say don't try and read between the lines there is not hidden meaning.

For the word retard to have bad coronations assorted with it is not my fault and I used in the correct manner and not to cause offense.

Your not with me any longer so every point I made that you agreed with is now mute because you decided to be offended by my correct use of a word and read meaning into it that I did not intend.

It's an un-pc term to use.
You yourself said that people who use un-pc terms are worse than Nazi's.

strobe

Ranicand wrote: »

That is what I don't get I said we operate in a logical way.

Apparently not. This is one of the most disjointed illogical threads I've come across. It's all over the shop. Full of false assertions and presuppositions on your part.

Ranicand

starlings wrote: »

OP, you may not realise this, but outrage and shouting in capital letters are intimidating attitudes. You won't get far trying to shout down bullies; you'll just alienate people who might have been sympathetic - your attack on MadamX is a case in point - and she's far from a bully!

Bullying might be better addressed, patiently, on a case-by-case basis, by applying the Aspie skills of logic, fairness and concentration you wrote about in your first post. If you want to let off steam, and we all need to do that sometimes, do some strenuous exercise or pop some bubble wrap - whatever you can do on your own that helps - and never let the bullies see they have gotten to you.

Point taken and yes I suppose I am letting of some steam.

Like in my opening post I said we were bad at multitasking and our social skills are poor.

It this thread I have ended up sidetracked and offending a few people.

I am displaying without intention my condition.

The first post is clear because I had time to think about it.

I don't hold grudges as I can't afford to.

Some points I will stick by the poster who said suicide caused by bullying is not a big problem because hundreds are not doing it every day is wrong.

I would ask what number do you want before you consider is a major problem?

BizzyC

Frankly I find it baffling that anyone trying to push focus on mental health understanding and acceptance would use the word "retarded".

When used in this context, there is no other single word more insulting and derogatory to use towards a person who lives with one of these conditions.

MarkR

Ranicand wrote: »

People with Aspergers are always rejected by other children and then later by other adults.
Life for somebody with Aspergers is just one bullying nightmare.

People with aspergers also generalise seemingly

Ranicand wrote: »

The country has been flooded by immigrants with no background checks and anybody who raises the subject is branded a Nazi.

What? Why is that relevant?

Ranicand wrote: »

MAKING A COMMENT THAT IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT MAKES A PERSON WORSE THEN A NAZI

No, it makes them politically incorrect. Nazism implies a support of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism (Thank you wikipedia)


Your argument isn't very coherent, which is odd given your task orientated skills.

By the way, my son is also on the spectrum, so I'm not entirely clueless about the matter.

starlings

Ranicand wrote: »

Point taken and yes I suppose I am letting of some steam.

Like in my opening post I said we were bad at multitasking and our social skills are poor.

It this thread I have ended up sidetracked and offending a few people.

I am displaying without intention my condition.

The first post is clear because I had time to think about it.

I don't hold grudges as I can't afford to.

Some points I will stick by the poster who said suicide caused by bullying is not a big problem because hundreds are not doing it every day is wrong.

I would ask what number do you want before you consider is a major problem?

see, now we're getting along so much better! The bit in bold is, I think, a misunderstanding - the poster was not saying that bullying is not a big problem because the number of suicides aren't large, s/he was saying that if your statement about suicide being the only option was true, the number of suicides would be far greater.

Ranicand

BizzyC wrote: »

It's an un-pc term to use.
You yourself said that people who use un-pc terms are worse than Nazi's.

No I did not I said some people thick using and a no PC is worse then being a Nazi.

I was comparing one use of a word to years of bullying that children are subjected to.

Ranicand

BizzyC wrote: »

Frankly I find it baffling that anyone trying to push focus on mental health understanding and acceptance would use the word "retarded".

When used in this context, there is no other single word more insulting and derogatory to use towards a person who lives with one of these conditions.

I have had this word used against me countless times during my school years.

I find people who are offended by one use of the word in it's correct way hard to understand.

I never had a teacher be offended on my behalf.

Ranicand

As regards bullying and Aspergers link some of you might find the following and eye opener.


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt205009.html

BizzyC

That's the point, there is no "correct" use of the word when describing a persons mental state.

Do you still refer to people in wheelchairs as "cripples" or black people by the "N" word?
At one stage doing so was the "correct" use of the word.

MaxSteele

Ranicand wrote: »

MAKING A COMMENT THAT IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT MAKES A PERSON WORSE THEN A NAZI

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Ranicand

BizzyC wrote: »

That's the point, there is no "correct" use of the word when describing a persons mental state.

Do you still refer to people in wheelchairs as "cripples" or black people by the "N" word?
At one stage doing so was the "correct" use of the word.

Do you honestly believe I used that word to cause offense?

Madam_X

Ranicand wrote: »

the poster who said suicide caused by bullying is not a big problem because hundreds are not doing it every day is wrong.

They said nothing of the sort. You are grossly misinterpreting them. They said not every kid who is being bullied is suicidal. If anything they said the problem of bullying is extremely high, seeing as they gave a figure of hundreds of kids being bullied every day... but just made the point that they don't all see ending their lives as the solution.

Ranicand

MaxSteele wrote: »

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I was being sarcastic.

I was pointing out how one minor offense is treated compared to a prolonged campaign of bullying.

BizzyC

Your justification for using it does.

The word retarded means in it's proper use limited.

Low IQ and the term mentally retarded fit.

This indicates that you do consider people with a low IQ as "retarded".

seven_eleven

If OP has aspergers as he claims, then why is everybody arguing with him fruitlessly. People with this condition think completely differently and have different perspectives to most people. While the thinking isn't always rational or making sense it just makes this whole argument invalid.