which hatchback

johnmck

I'm going to buy a hatchback soon - want to move up a few years.
what i'm want is something above 2005 and less then €7500. I don't do a lot of mileage, but do take long road trips to france once a year.

been looking at corrollas, astras, mazda 3s, and focuses (doesn't seem to be many decent focuses around!)

any recommendations welcome thanks

bazz26

Kia Ceed:

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/KIA/Ceed/1.4-EX/31513580099001130/

JohnBoy26

A Kia Cee'd as ha been suggested above by another poster or a Hyundai I30. These are both the same cars mechanically and they are very reliable cars.

FridaysWell

A Golf. All you need

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Golf/1.6-COMF/31713535955626390/advert?channel=CARS

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Golf/1.4-SPOR/31713521325756710/advert?channel=CARS

Or a nice Volvo C30

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volvo/C30/145BHP-2/201248211238708/advert?channel=CARS

Or an S40??

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volvo/S40/S40-FULL/613258394429810/advert?channel=CARS

JohnBoy26

FridaysWell wrote: »

A Golf. All you need

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Golf/1.6-COMF/31713535955626390/advert?channel=CARS

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Golf/1.4-SPOR/31713521325756710/advert?channel=CARS

Or a nice Volvo C30

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volvo/C30/145BHP-2/201248211238708/advert?channel=CARS

Or an S40??

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volvo/S40/S40-FULL/613258394429810/advert?channel=CARS

Those petrol Golfs have a very soft engine. I wouldn't recommend one to anyone.

FridaysWell

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Those petrol Golfs have a very soft engine. I wouldn't recommend one to anyone.

More poke than the seedy KIA engine my friend.

JohnBoy26

FridaysWell wrote: »

More poke than the seedy KIA engine my friend.

:rolleyes: I was talking about reliability, something those petrol Golfs are severly lacking in. The ''seedy KIA engine'' you refer to is a far more reliable, better designed and smoother engine than the Golfs.

Oh and your incorrect on the Golf having more ''poke'' than the Kia also.

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/volkswagen/golf/hatchback-2004/34869/
Volkswagen Golf Hatchback 1.4 S (80ps) 3d (AC) – Facts and Figures

Performance

Engine Size1390 cc
Cylinders4
0-60 mph13.5 secs
Top Speed104 mph
Power Output78 bhp
Valves16
Torque132 Nm 97 lb-ft


http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/kia/ceed/hatchback-2007/36022/
Kia Ceed Hatchback 1.4 S 5d – Facts and Figures
Performance

Engine Size1396 cc
Cylinders4
0-60 mph11.2 secs
Top Speed116 mph
Power Output104 bhp
Valves16
Torque137 Nm 101 lb-ft


:rolleyes:

FridaysWell

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

:rolleyes: I was talking about reliability, something those petrol Golfs are severly lacking in. The ''seedy KIA engine'' you refer to is a far more reliable, better designed and smoother engine than the Golfs.

Oh and your incorrect on the Golf having more ''poke'' than the Kia also.

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/volkswagen/golf/hatchback-2004/34869/
Volkswagen Golf Hatchback 1.4 S (80ps) 3d (AC) – Facts and Figures

Performance

Engine Size1390 cc
Cylinders4
0-60 mph13.5 secs
Top Speed104 mph
Power Output78 bhp
Valves16
Torque132 Nm 97 lb-ft


http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/kia/ceed/hatchback-2007/36022/
Kia Ceed Hatchback 1.4 S 5d – Facts and Figures
Performance

Engine Size1396 cc
Cylinders4
0-60 mph11.2 secs
Top Speed116 mph
Power Output104 bhp
Valves16
Torque137 Nm 101 lb-ft


:rolleyes:

The 1.6 engine in the car above certainly does have more poke than the KIA.

And as for reliability, I never said that KIAs aren't reliable, they are. And they are making some good cars compared to the ****e they were churning out a while ago.

But Golfs are just as reliable as a C'eed. And they are better built, look better and are a nicer place to be on the inside. Aim for a well maintained Golf, so many for sale here that just aren't looked after, same for a KIA or any car...

OP do consider the Volvos I put up there, they're great cars.

colm_mcm

The Golf 1.6 fsi and Kia ceed 1.6 have identical 0-60 of 10.6 seconds, they also have an identical top speed of 119mph.

Now the thing is, that most golf 1.6s aren't FSI. The normal 1.6 is 102bhp and a good bit slower.

Whether a 1.6 golf is faster than a 1.4 golf is a moot point, and trying to say that the 1.4 engine in the Kia is anything but well above average for a NA engine just makes your argument for the Golf over its rivals look a bit weak.

JohnBoy26

FridaysWell wrote: »

The 1.6 engine in the car above certainly does have more poke than the KIA.

The link appears to be broken to that ad.

You do know that the Kia Cee'd comes in 1.6 petrol also?
Both the 1.6 FSI Golf and Cee'd 1.6 are roughly the same in performance terms.

Kia Ceed Hatchback 1.6 S 5d – Facts and Figures
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/kia/ceed/hatchback-2007/36023/
Performance

Engine Size1591 cc
Cylinders4
0-60 mph10.6 secs
Top Speed119 mph
Power Output120 bhp
Valves16
Torque154 Nm 114 lb-ft


Volkswagen Golf Hatchback 1.6 S FSI 5d – Facts and Figures
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/volkswagen/golf/hatchback-2004/26886/

Performance

Engine Size1598 cc
Cylinders4
0-60 mph10.5 secs
Top Speed119 mph
Power Output113 bhp
Valves16
Torque155 Nm 114 lb-ft

JohnBoy26

FridaysWell wrote: »

But Golfs are just as reliable as a C'eed. And they are better built, look better and are a nicer place to be on the inside. Aim for a well maintained Golf, so many for sale here that just aren't looked after, same for a KIA or any car....

A petrol Golf is no where near as reliable as a Kia or infact many other mainstream brands for that matter. They aren't better built either. If they are so good you'd think VW would give you a nice 7 year warranty with them. As for the interior yes imo the Golf is better in that regard but it's still nothing special.

mufcboy1999

OSI wrote: »

Wouldn't wish a Golf 1.4 on my worst enemy.

Stop ! There terrible motors. My one was the slowest car Iv ever owned , it was like driving a tank.

colm_mcm

I think you're giving tanks a tough time there.

johnmck

Ok ok so stay clear of golfs, I get it
I don't like them anyway
What about Mazda 3 or astra ?

johnmck

The c30 looks nice but I'm guessing it has a smaller boot space than a focus or Mazda 3, I need space to fit a mountain bike inside sometimes with seats down, and I've 2 dogs
Plus the c30 is 2 litre petrol , a hard reseller , no?

JohnBoy26

johnmck wrote: »

Ok ok so stay clear of golfs, I get it
I don't like them anyway
What about Mazda 3 or astra ?

The Mazda 3 are great reliable cars. You won't go far wrong with one imo. If buying just have a good look underneath for rust as this is a weak point in mazdas.

FridaysWell

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

The link appears to be broken to that ad.

You do know that the Kia Cee'd comes in 1.6 petrol also?
Both the 1.6 FSI Golf and Cee'd 1.6 are roughly the same in performance terms.

Kia Ceed Hatchback 1.6 S 5d – Facts and Figures
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/kia/ceed/hatchback-2007/36023/
Performance

Engine Size1591 cc
Cylinders4
0-60 mph10.6 secs
Top Speed119 mph
Power Output120 bhp
Valves16
Torque154 Nm 114 lb-ft


Volkswagen Golf Hatchback 1.6 S FSI 5d – Facts and Figures
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/volkswagen/golf/hatchback-2004/26886/

Performance

Engine Size1598 cc
Cylinders4
0-60 mph10.5 secs
Top Speed119 mph
Power Output113 bhp
Valves16
Torque155 Nm 114 lb-ft

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

A petrol Golf is no where near as reliable as a Kia or infact many other mainstream brands for that matter. They aren't better built either. If they are so good you'd think VW would give you a nice 7 year warranty with them. As for the interior yes imo the Golf is better in that regard but it's still nothing special.

Apologies, it is broken, I think the car has been sold.

I do know that they make a 1.6, but do you know that you can get a 1.9 diesel and 2.0 diesel, and 1.8, 2.0 petrols etc in the Golf? I was talking about and comparing the cars that I had put up there, a 1.4 and a 1.6 FSI.

A car is only as good/reliable as the person who maintains it. Wish more people in this country would realise that.

That 7 year warranty is great, but its nothing to do with the reliability of their cars, it was a business decision, best way to get into the European market. Also, look at the range of cars that the two manufacturers offer, VW has a wider selection and sells more vehicles overall, again business wise offering a long warranty might cost a bit much for them...

I never said a Golf was anything special, its a good all rounder I was recommending to the OP who doesn't do alot of miles and does the odd long trip in France, which would be nicer in a Golf of one them Volvos.

johnmck

Found this but maybe too many miles on it http://www.carzone.ie/search/KIA/Ceed/1.6-EX-D/29513454626870890/advert?channel=CARS

FridaysWell

johnmck wrote: »

The c30 looks nice but I'm guessing it has a smaller boot space than a focus or Mazda 3, I need space to fit a mountain bike inside sometimes with seats down, and I've 2 dogs
Plus the c30 is 2 litre petrol , a hard reseller , no?

I'd say it be a it small for that. How about this:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Skoda/Fabia/1.4l-DIE/31913557642067980/advert?channel=CARS

Great car and engine, load of space.

FridaysWell

They are both high mileage and maybe a bit big but still a good car for the price:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Honda/Accord/2.2I-CTD/201250211384431/advert?channel=CARS

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Honda/Accord/2.0-TOUR/201239210215154/advert?channel=CARS

This good too:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Honda/Civic/1.4-I-SE/201238210109323/advert?channel=CARS

langdang

FridaysWell wrote: »

a good all rounder I was recommending to the OP who doesn't do alot of miles and does the odd long trip in France, which would be nicer in a Golf of one them Volvos.

Dig up fanboy! Trip to france in a 1.4 golf would be nicer than gangrene on your lad, but not a lot of other things.

The Pontiac

A Golf would be my last choice.

johnmck

That fabia looks nice but I get put off when people avoid taking photos of the car registration.
What about 1.4 diesel Nissan tiida hatchbacks?

The Pontiac

johnmck wrote: »

That fabia looks nice but I get put off when people avoid taking photos of the car registration.
What about 1.4 diesel Nissan tiida hatchbacks?

+1. What is going through their head?

colm_mcm

The tiida diesels are the 1.5 dCi renault engine, they look great on paper, they're quite big inside and cheap, but they're a nasty yoke in the flesh.

A diesel doing low mileage isn't usually a great idea either.

johnmck

colm_mcm wrote: »

The tiida diesels are the 1.5 dCi renault engine, they look great on paper, they're quite big inside and cheap, but they're a nasty yoke in the flesh.

Ok thanks for the advice.

The Pontiac

I'd go for a Volvo S40. 1.6 though. More of a saloon I suppose, but very practical and a tidy size. The difference is tax is only €150 per year. Economy and insurance would be the same.

A lot of those S40's come in high spec - leather seats etc. Based on the Ford Focus platform too, so serving and parts are cheap.

I see, we Irish are still completely obsessed with engine cc size.

FridaysWell

langdang wrote: »

Dig up fanboy! Trip to france in a 1.4 golf would be nicer than gangrene on your lad, but not a lot of other things.

You know, I did put a 1.6 there aswell, and two other cars. A 1.4 would be grand for alot of people, who don't really care what or how they drive.

I never said it would blow the socks off you...

johnmck

The Pontiac wrote: »

I'd go for a Volvo S40. 1.6 though. More of a saloon I suppose, but very practical and a tidy size. The difference is tax is only €150 per year. Economy and insurance would be the same.

A lot of those S40's come in high spec - leather seats etc. Based on the Ford Focus platform too, so serving and parts are cheap.

I see, we Irish are still completely obsessed with engine cc size.

An S40 isn't a hatchback !

johnmck

What about this

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3795282

Or what about a 1.3 diesel astra estate

jack67

how about a honda civic,great car very reliable,extremely good economy and a great big boot.ive had the 1.4 ,1.8 petrol and the 2.2 diesel and was very happy with all of them:D

johnmck

jack67 wrote: »

how about a honda civic,great car very reliable,extremely good economy and a great big boot.ive had the 1.4 ,1.8 petrol and the 2.2 diesel and was very happy with all of them:D

Yes they seem to be great but my sister had one and I found it very light, I didn't feel safe in it

The Pontiac

johnmck wrote: »

An S40 isn't a hatchback !

That's true. I had already edited my post.

jack67

johnmck wrote: »

Yes they seem to be great but my sister had one and I found it very light, I didn't feel safe in it

what year was your sisters?
mine where the model 2005-2011,i didnt find them light and i felt very safe in them.
you enquired about the mazda 3 and the kia ceed,opel astra and skoda fabia,
do you think these are safer and heavier than honda civics??:rolleyes:

lemon3107

jack67 wrote: »

how about a honda civic,great car very reliable,extremely good economy and a great big boot.ive had the 1.4 ,1.8 petrol and the 2.2 diesel and was very happy with all of them:D

Sorry to hijack thread, can i ask which size engine in the civic did u find best?

Green Hornet

The 2.2 diesel is quite a nippy bus and the 1.8 petrol is nippy too while delivering 40mpg.

The 1.4 is dead as a dodo though.......but I think Honda added VTEC to the 1.4 in 2010 or so and that improved it.

I know the OP is looking for something older but just answering the previous poster.

jack67

lemon3107 wrote: »

Sorry to hijack thread, can i ask which size engine in the civic did u find best?

i found the 1.4 slightly underpowered,the 1.8 is a great engine and a great ride and more fun to drive than the 2.2 diesel,but the diesel has grown on me.dont need to work the gears as hard as the 1.8 and getting 60mpg:D

johnmck

ok, finally ready to buy - but i'm so confused i've looked around so much now
I think I have decided either between a mazda3 or corrolla.

wish there was a way to share out all of these links without having to copy them individually

any advice welcome - thanks in advance

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4275714

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4517268

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4488288

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4350531

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4512838

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4236727

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4420867

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Toyota/Corolla/5Dr-Hatc/31713591331647330/advert?channel=CARS

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mazda/Mazda3/1.4-TOUR/201302211892167/advert?channel=CARS

colm_mcm

Out of those I'd have the first one. Try and gt a few quid off, but its a superior car to the mazda3 and the base spec on the corolla is pretty poor so I'd rule out the other corollas on that basis.

johnmck

colm_mcm wrote: »

Out of those I'd have the first one. Try and gt a few quid off, but its a superior car to the mazda3 and the base spec on the corolla is pretty poor so I'd rule out the other corollas on that basis.

I'm a little wary as its miles not km on it, and a UK import. No history !

colm_mcm

johnmck wrote: »

I'm a little wary as its miles not km on it, and a UK import. No history !

I wouldn't have anything on the list then

Did the owner say there was no history

johnmck

I asked "Do you have anything to verify the miles?" , She said no, "but I've had it from xx miles, I got it off a guy who imported it from the UK...."
I asked did she have a Cartell report on it, she said "no, what is a Cartell report"

So, I'm on the hunt again

b1964

honda civic m8,there no lighter than a mazda 3 or a corolla and a far better car than both, in my humble opinion.

johnmck

yes - but they are a bit more expensive, especially compared to the mazda 3

b1964

through but you get what you pay for.

johnmck

Civic
http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4529964

so is it a bad idea purchasing a mazda 3 with high mileage?

colm_mcm

That Civic looks good.
Dont know if they have a timing belt, I know the VTECs have a chain, but not sure about the 1.4

It's in a different league to a Mazda3 to be fair.

JohnBoy26

colm_mcm wrote: »

That Civic looks good.
Dont know if they have a timing belt, I know the VTECs have a chain, but not sure about the 1.4

It's in a different league to a Mazda3 to be fair.

chassis wise it's not, the mazda 3 is better in that department.

colm_mcm

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

chassis wise it's not, the mazda 3 is better in that department.

Agreed, but a proton gen2 is better again doesn't mean anyone should buy one though.

JohnBoy26

colm_mcm wrote: »

Agreed, but a proton gen2 is better again doesn't mean anyone should buy one though.

Point taken. If it's space the op is after a civic is the car to get.

johnmck

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Point taken. If it's space the op is after a civic is the car to get.

Thanks guys , what I'm after is a reliable hatchback , for space I just pull the front wheel off my bike so that's not a big deal, and two small dogs will fit in most boots , just can't afford to blow 6000 or 7000 and wind up with a ball of .....
If I'm gonna spend the money I want a hassle free car for 3 yeaes. I've seen a few 1.6 petrol focuses , have we ruled them out ? I wouldn't touch a 1.4 drove one before and kept looking for another gear