Two horses shot dead, Galway

wexfordman

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/probe-as-two-horses-found-shot-3355768.html

Not good news for either the horses (obviously) or the hunting community. WTF like...

Anyone know this area ?

deeksofdoom

This is happening a lot, and there are a lot of these incidents that go unreported in the news.

No doubt the farmer will be claiming for two racehorses regarless if they are pieballs or not.

They must have been out lamping deer.

I was driving home from work the other night and got dazzled by some clowns lamping in a field by the road, it really distracted me for a second. Shining a lamp up onto a main road; what a pair of spastics.

Glensman

So are you thinking the lads shot them for the craic?
or poachers mistook them for deer (no idea how)?

rsole1

deeksofdoom wrote: »

This is happening a lot, and there are a lot of these incidents that go unreported in the news.

No doubt the farmer will be claiming for two racehorses regarless if they are pieballs or not.

They must have been out lamping deer.

I was driving home from work the other night and got dazzled by some clowns lamping in a field by the road, it really distracted me for a second. Shining a lamp up onto a main road; what a pair of spastics.

Yes it's amazing that some people are granted a firearms licence.

There is a fella in the pub I drink in who has applied for a shotgun licence. He has criminal convictions for assault - let's see if he gets a licence.

charlie10

rsole1 wrote: »

Yes it's amazing that some people are granted a firearms licence.

There is a fella in the pub I drink in who has applied for a shotgun licence. He has criminal convictions for assault - let's see if he gets a licence.

it wouldnt surprise me if he did lad ,it is amazing who are granted guns and half them dont have an interest in it

EPointer=Birdss

Sure horse burgers are all the rage. I blame the media for this!

Vegeta

If the article was correct and the horses were feral, then it may (emphasis on may, because I haven't specifically checked) have been legal to shoot them. Similar position to foxes, rabbits and feral goats.

That's still no excuse for leaving the bodies dumped though.

deeksofdoom

Glensman wrote: »

So are you thinking the lads shot them for the craic?
or poachers mistook them for deer (no idea how)?

Sorry didn't read the ariticle when I posted my last comment just jumped to conclusion, they were shot for the craic I'ld say.

They'ld make tasty beef burgers though.

natdog

Maybe it could have been a really pissed off land owner who is sick of these horses wrecking his land,fences etc.
The country is ruined with these horses and nothing short of a cull will sort this problem.
Everyone wanted a horse a few years ago but now they can't get rid of them its not the horses fault but action should be taken rather than sitting back hoping the problem fixes itself.

garv123

would feral horses not be the same thing as feral goats?

How do they know the shot in the neck didnt kill them straight away?
Normally neck shots do kill things straight away when "high powered rifles" are used.

Still stupid thing to do.

Birdnuts

natdog wrote: »

Maybe it could have been a really pissed off land owner who is sick of these horses wrecking his land,fences etc.
The country is ruined with these horses and nothing short of a cull will sort this problem.
Everyone wanted a horse a few years ago but now they can't get rid of them its not the horses fault but action should be taken rather than sitting back hoping the problem fixes itself.

It is indeed shocking how many horses have been simply abandoned in forestry and commonage areas around the country. Many of them are in a wretched condition and should be put out of their misery ASAP. In the case mentioned by the OP, I really hope it was the mercy killing of sick animals rather than something more sinister.

PS: Its not just horses gone feral this way, their appears to be a number of llamas roaming the woods in this part of Wicklow going on a number of late night sightings here in the last few months.

wexfordman

Birdnuts wrote: »

It is indeed shocking how many horses have been simply abandoned in forestry and commonage areas around the country. Many of them are in wretched condition and should be put out of their misery ASAP. In the case mentioned by the OP, I really hope it was the mercy killing of sick animals rather than something more sinister.

PS: Its not just horses gone feral this way, their appears to be a number of llamas roaming the woods in this part of Wicklow going on a number of late night sighting here in the last few months.

Jesus,LLamas!!! What do llamas taste like

Birdnuts

wexfordman wrote: »

Jesus,LLamas!!! What do llamas taste like

I'd say you would need to be born and raised in the Andes to know that. If I had to guess though, I'd say tough as old billy goat.;)

Grizzly 45

Neck shots...Sounds like deer lampers. No mention in law about shooting feral horses either.

wexfordman

Birdnuts wrote: »

I'd say you would need to be born and raised in the Andes to know that. If I had to guess though, I'd say tough as old billy goat.;)

Wonder would they be alpacas like these
http://www.alpacasofireland.com/forsale.asp?imgcat=Females

You;d make a nice jumper out of one:D

charlie10

well when it comes to a good burger make sure its "best mate":D:D other wise u could get the "trotts"

Busted Flat.

Tesco doing stock taking ?.

ah sure !

Do a bit of fallow stalking not far from there , many horses wandering around the forestry.
not all of them are abandoned , they are left there for free grazing.
Very common to see them on the road or along the railway tracks eating away grass.

sniper83

Hang on a second, I wouldnt go pointing the finger at hunters or lads lamping !!:mad:

Its more likely they were shot by someone who put them out of their misery or a pissed off farmer for eating silage/fodder left out for his cattle.

I know the area, 99% of the horses are abandoned so they are feral. The two horses that were shot were feral!!
Its mountain area so grass is in very short supply!
Most of the horses are in a terrible condition with skin infections, overgrown hoves, mange, been injured from fences and so on.

Not only are the horses dying of disease and starvation, but they are breeding so you have their numbers increasing and inter-breeding to add to the problem.

It was only going to be a matter of time before this happened, as the likes of coilte, npws, and even the dept of agriculture and the council seem to think the problem will just go away by itself... maybe now something will be done to take them off it!:rolleyes:

ormondprop

sniper83 wrote: »

Hang on a second, I wouldnt go pointing the finger at hunters or lads lamping !!:mad:

Its more likely they were shot by someone who put them out of their misery or a pissed off farmer for eating silage/fodder left out for his cattle.

I know the area, 99% of the horses are abandoned so they are feral. The two horses that were shot were feral!!
Its mountain area so grass is in very short supply!
Most of the horses are in a terrible condition with skin infections, overgrown hoves, mange, been injured from fences and so on.

Not only are the horses dying of disease and starvation, but they are breeding so you have their numbers increasing and inter-breeding to add to the problem.

It was only going to be a matter of time before this happened, as the likes of coilte, npws, and even the dept of agriculture and the council seem to think the problem will just go away by itself... maybe now something will be done to take them off it!:rolleyes:

If thats the case the rest of them could do with being shot too

tac foley

deeksofdoom wrote: »

...what a pair of spastics.

Hey, no fair! My daughter is a spastic and SHE doesn't go around doing stoopid.

tac

juice1304

I have a bit of land to shoot around five miles from where those horses were shot i am the only one aloud on the land and the whole herd was wiped out last year there are three deer left. When i find out who it is they won't be to happy because they can kiss their licences good bye.

4gun

Vegeta wrote: »

If the article was correct and the horses were feral, then it may (emphasis on may, because I haven't specifically checked) have been legal to shoot them. Similar position to foxes, rabbits and feral goats.

That's still no excuse for leaving the bodies dumped though.

so how do you tell a feral horse from a domestic one,



would it be unshod

dicky82

there is a bit of land up near me that has always had horses and ponies on it, they usually belong to the young lads around the area. some have been left in a poor state over the years but for the most part they are in good nick. anyway during the summer all the horses were moved out of there apart from a handful of big mares. a week or so later these mares were dead and dragged into ditches (there were tyre marks all around them). it turned out that there was a feud between lads using the horses for sulky racing and they were killed in revenge. anyway it could be something similar or as previously said an angry farmer or mercy shooter.

Conmaicne Mara

Seen cats shot as foxes before :rolleyes:

Pretty hard to mistake a horse for anything other than a horse.

No shortage of morons with itchy trigger fingers I suppose, seeing what they want to see rather than what's there.

Longranger

wexfordman wrote: »

Jesus,LLamas!!! What do llamas taste like

You'll find out soon enough, they'll be on special in lidl next week.....I hear the horse burgers are lovely,and the meatballs taste like the donkeys bollix!

Glensman

Longranger wrote: »

You'll find out soon enough, they'll be on special in lidl next week.........

Marked as lamb!

Vegeta

4gun wrote: »

so how do you tell a feral horse from a domestic one,



would it be unshod

Same way you do with other feral animals like goats.

4gun

Vegeta wrote: »

Same way you do with other feral animals like goats.

A feral goat looks completely different to a domestic one (by breed)
in Kerry anyway,

A feral cat look like a cat
and a horse is a horse of course

There is no way to tell for sure.

who ever shot them was acting with malice,

Glensman

4gun wrote: »

A feral goat looks completely different to a domestic one (by breed)
in Kerry anyway,

A feral cat look like a cat
and a horse is a horse of course

There is no way to tell for sure.

who ever shot them was acting with malice,

Unless they were asked to shoot them by a landowner?
Maybe they thought bathe foxes and crows would clean up?

Maudi

wexfordman wrote: »

Jesus,LLamas!!! What do llamas taste like

hard to say..wait till next year you will be able to taste em in your burgers....

sniper83

ormondprop wrote: »

If thats the case the rest of them could do with being shot too

couldnt agree with you more!

melekalikimaka

Longranger wrote: »

You'll find out soon enough, they'll be on special in lidl next week.....I hear the horse burgers are lovely,and the meatballs taste like the donkeys bollix!

my Lidl pony

Vegeta

4gun wrote: »

A feral goat looks completely different to a domestic one (by breed)
in Kerry anyway,

A feral cat look like a cat
and a horse is a horse of course

There is no way to tell for sure.

who ever shot them was acting with malice,

The feral goats here, the younger nanny goats especially, look exactly the same as domestic goats. The only way I know they're feral is all the landowners who's land they roam have said so and requested them thinned out.

Either way my point is not about identification, it's up to every person to identify their own quarry and the determine the legalities of shooting it. My point is that if the horses were feral, and the article says they were, then shooting them may be legal.

4gun

Vegeta wrote: »

The feral goats here, the younger nanny goats especially, look exactly the same as domestic goats. The only way I know they're feral is all the landowners who's land they roam have said so and requested them thinned out.

Either way my point is not about identification, it's up to every person to identify their own quarry and the determine the legalities of shooting it. My point is that if the horses were feral, and the article says they were, then shooting them may be legal.

can a farmer request you to shoot horses on his land that do not belong to him, ie. they are strays or have gotten loose from some farm a few miles away ...whatever, they dont belong to him but they are on his land and he doesn't know who owns them, but he wants them gone because they are doing damage.
Its not possible to positively identify feral horses from domestic by visual means alone,

So can you shoot them with impunity? Feral horses are not even mentioned in any shooting legislation, does this mean they are protected by default

shooting them was just pure malicious,

pity the game dealers dont have a price for horse

Vegeta

4gun wrote: »

can a farmer request you to shoot horses on his land that do not belong to him, ie. they are strays or have gotten loose from some farm a few miles away ...whatever, they dont belong to him but they are on his land and he doesn't know who owns them, but he wants them gone because they are doing damage.
So can you shoot them with impunity?

Personally, I wouldn't even consider shooting them in the above scenario (If shooting them is allowed). I would not be satisfied that they were feral.

4gun

Vegeta wrote: »

Personally, I wouldn't even consider shooting them in the above scenario (If shooting them is allowed). I would not be satisfied that they were feral.

my point exactly.

The farmer is not entitled to have them shot on his own land even if he want to,

Vegeta

4gun wrote: »

my point exactly.

The farmer is not entitled to have them shot on his own land even if he want to,

I don't disagree at all, proving a horse is feral would not be easy. It's also not something I would take lightly.

The difficuly of proving a horse is feral and morallity of shooting one does not change that if feral horses have the same protection as feral goats, then they may be shot.

The Aussie

4gun wrote: »

can a farmer request you to shoot horses on his land that do not belong to him, ie. they are strays or have gotten loose from some farm a few miles away ...whatever, they dont belong to him but they are on his land and he doesn't know who owns them, but he wants them gone because they are doing damage.

Or he could do what I heard a neighbouring farmer around me did.
Some horses appeared on one of his fields a few miles away from the house over night so he opened the gate and kicked them out, later that afternoon they appeared back in the same field, so he loaded them up and took them for a long drive. The next day the owners of the horses turned up at his front door in a red Ford Transit asking him if he had seen any horses about that they had them on a field they had permission to use and had gone missing.
They did not know they were talking to the owner of the field they were using.

A small useless fact about horses (to many feral horses around Australia and have dispatched a few many years ago), a running horses intestines move back and forward in a piston motion helping to get more oxygen into the lungs,

so long story short, if you stuck for a last chance alternative and no other option, you take out the piston, you take out the engine

Grizzly 45

Vegeta wrote: »

I don't disagree at all, proving a horse is feral would not be easy. It's also not something I would take lightly.

The difficuly of proving a horse is feral and morallity of shooting one does not change that if feral horses have the same protection as feral goats, then they may be shot.

Well heres the thing..There is no mention of feral horses in any of the firearms acts or wildlife act,as feral horses like wild or feral pigs here were an unknown entity when the laws were written...Stands to reason,back in the 1920s or whenever a horse wasnt somthing you left wandering around as it was proably your sole means of transport and where everyone knew everyone elses animals near enough.So in the end every horse belonged to somone.

Nowadays,with the recession,reckless breeding,poor enforcement and fear of upsetting an ethnic minority much known for their law abiding ways to whom the horse is a part of their "Culture".All the fancy EU laws on Equine passports,etc means zero if it isnt enforced.Hence we have unchipped,unprovable of ownership,disease carrying[possibly]abandoned horses wandering around our country...
Whats one to do??Call the humane society or the local council animal pound??Good luck...be lucky if you get an answering machine,or they will play ping pong with you and tell you you need the Gaurds to deal with it...The Gaurds will tell you its none of their remit[thankfully:pac:] go talk to the humane society or county council.
I suppose if you had plenty of dogs,shooting one or two would keep you in dog meat for a few months.:D

Busted Flat.

A guy goes to a chipper, asks for a beef burger, the girl asks do you want anything on it, he replies yea a fiver each way.

meathstevie

I wonder if there's some old and ancient rule that gives title to an animal that's been on someone's land for a certain amount of time without an owner identifying himself.

If that was the case the owner of the land where the horses have been "squatting" for 1 second longer than that time limit could dispose of them as he sees fit as long as it doesn't involve cruelty which proper use of a gun doesn't. Just a line of thought, if anyone has the knowledge.

ormondprop

The Aussie wrote: »

Or he could do what I heard a neighbouring farmer around me did.
Some horses appeared on one of his fields a few miles away from the house over night so he opened the gate and kicked them out

I certainly wouldn't be doing that, horses are very dangerous on the road and the father of a few of my friends was killed a few years ago by crashing into a stray horse who ran out infront of him one night when he was driving down the road, personally i'd prefer to shoot them and take them to a knackers yard for disposal if they were left on my land for a while

Grizzly 45

meathstevie wrote: »

I wonder if there's some old and ancient rule that gives title to an animal that's been on someone's land for a certain amount of time without an owner identifying himself.

If I remember rightly..Abandoned property under common law becomes such after a year and a day.However,it only ASFIK applies to goods and chattels[whatever they are??] Not land or real estate.

marknjb

my friend rang me today to tell me he had a weanling bullock shot last night
when he went up to herd he could see the bullock lying down on its own when he went over to get it up he found it had no head on closer examinition he found the head had been cut off he rang the gaurds they recon lads lamping deer shot it then cut the head off to take the bullet the field the cattle were in is a good area for deer he used to not mind lads shooting his land thats all over now its gob****es like these that give all shooters a bad name

wexfordman

marknjb wrote: »

my friend rang me today to tell me he had a weanling bullock shot last night
when he went up to herd he could see the bullock lying down on its own when he went over to get it up he found it had no head on closer examinition he found the head had been cut off he rang the gaurds they recon lads lamping deer shot it then cut the head off to take the bullet the field the cattle were in is a good area for deer he used to not mind lads shooting his land thats all over now its gob****es like these that give all shooters a bad name

Feckin hell! What part of the country?

marknjb

wexfordman wrote: »

Feckin hell! What part of the country?

laois tipp border

CJhaughey

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

If I remember rightly..Abandoned property under common law becomes such after a year and a day.However,it only ASFIK applies to goods and chattels[whatever they are??] Not land or real estate.

Chattels can be vehicles and animals.

deano2882

i only live up the road from there do an awful lot of shooting and lamping...i have been meeting strange cars lamping around here lately as deer numbers high in this area...the horses were shot in the neck by people lamping for sure as my friends house is a stones throw from there and alot of lamping was being done there till this....

cavan shooter

It won't be long now that the use of a fire arm at night will be made illegal. A bullock beside me 6 months ago was shot with 22.