Dunnes Stores banning Animal charities...

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Candie wrote: »

My only objection to bag packing is that it forces you to opt-out, rather than allowing you to decide to opt in. I don't like decisions being presented to me in that way, especially by the St. Patricks Ceili Tap Dancing School of Hurlers or whatever.

On principle I refuse to let anyone pack my bags, though I do often choose to donate if I consider it a worthy cause. I resent being cornered into making those decisions though.

Collect outside, without actually accosting the customers so they have a choice, but don't position yourself in their space and force them to either be uncomfortably assertive or unwilling donors.

I couldn't agree more, I feel the same way as this.

Pawwed Rig

lala88 wrote: »

Sharks can stand up for themselves

They can't actually. Type Shark Finning into google and you will see some horror.

Having said that if there was a 1 on 1 fight in the water I will back the shark every time:D

The Corinthian

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Type Shark Finning into google and you will see some horror.

I'd love some shark fin soup now, after seeing that.

Bard

Dunnes have every right to ban whoever they like from collecting outside their privately owned stores for whatever reason they like and I'd have no objection to them banning the whole bloody lot of the annoying chuggers.

Unfortunately, now they've attracted the ire of the wrong kind of protesters, as that ignorant militant shock-factor protest group "ARAN" plan on demonstrating at their head office today. These are the group who covered members in fake blood on Dublin's O'Connell Street and staged a pretend murder in a Cork street to ram their message home. They aim to shock, crave publicity and do little more to further any animal charity cause.

This kind of crap should be actively discouraged as much as possible. They're even hijacking Dunnes' own facebook page with their nasty comments now.

rubadub

Sleepy wrote: »

Have to admit, the ones that get on my wick in the local Tesco are the local "dance schools" that sexualise their 6 year olds, dressing them like porn starlets in full make-up.

repsol wrote: »

What a bunch of miserable tightarses! Most bag packers I have seen are young kids.Regardless of age they are giving their time up for a good cause.You or someone you love may have Cancer or whatever they are collecting for some day.

Yes, lots are young kids, which some would think is far far worse. I am not sure if I have ever seen kids collecting for charities, not sure if its allowed legally? would it be considered child labour if they got commission like so many adult collectors. If they are allowed, maybe this is why charities might prefer them, cheap/free child labour.

Most kids I see are funding holidays for themselves, or trying to fund for some club they go to. So instead of the parents paying for, or begging for this money themselves, they put the cute kids knowing they are more likely to be given money. It is not much different from parents putting kids out on the street begging, except they have a GAA jersey on and instead of having a sign saying/insinuating "my parents can't afford food, please give me money" it is "my parents can't afford my holiday/new sports equipment, please give me money".

Candie wrote: »

Collect outside, without actually accosting the customers so they have a choice

This is probably illegal for many of them, as I doubt many have the required permits.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2001/en/act/pub/0024/sec0247.html#sec247

Children Act, 2001
Begging.


247.—(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he or she causes or procures a child or, having the custody, charge or care of a child, allows the child to be in any street or public place, or to make house to house visits, for the purpose of begging or receiving alms or of inducing the giving of alms (whether or not there is any pretence of singing, playing, performing, offering anything for sale or otherwise).


(2) If a person who has the custody, charge or care of a child is charged with an offence under this section, and it is proved that the child was in any street, public place or house for any purpose referred to in subsection (1), the person shall be presumed to have allowed the child to be in the street, public place or house for that purpose, unless the contrary is proved.


(3) A person found guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding—


(a) in the case of a first offence, £250, or


(b) in the case of a second or any subsequent offence, £500.


(4) In this section—


“house” includes any building occupied for residential or business purposes and any part of a building so occupied;


“public place” means any place to which the public have or are permitted to have access whether as of right or by permission and whether on payment or without payment;


“street” includes any road, bridge, lane, footway, subway, square, alley or passage, whether a thoroughfare or not, which is for the time being open to the public, and any ground or carpark adjoining and open to a street shall be treated as forming part of a street.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/act/pub/0005/sec0005.html#sec5

Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act 2011

(2) For the purposes of this Act, a person begs if—


(a) other than in accordance with a licence, permit or authorisation (howsoever described) granted by or under an enactment, he or she requests or solicits money or goods from another person or other persons, or


(b) while in a private place without the consent of the owner or occupier of the private place, he or she requests or solicits money or goods from another person or other persons.

Offence to direct or organise begging.


5.— (1) A person who—


(a) controls or directs the actions of another person for the purposes of begging,


(b) organises or is materially involved in the organisation of begging by another person,


(c) forces another person to beg, or


(d) otherwise causes another person to beg,


is guilty of an offence.


(2) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable—


(a) on summary conviction to a class A fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or both, or


(b) on conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding €200,000 or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or both

Maybe those beggars who get moved on beside cash machines should simply don a GAA Jersey.

sparkling sea

Charity bag packers should be banned from the main shop floor, especially in the current ecomonic climate. Lots of people don't have money, they are depressed enough about the situation they find themselves in.

Many people have to search through purses, bags, pockets etc before they go to the shops and they worry about having enough money to pay for their shopping.These days people often don't have enough money for their few small iteams and its bad enough to see people putting back things they cant afford, but it must be even more embarassing with a charity bag packer standing at the end of a till.

Charities should collect in foyers only, they shouldn't be allowed on the main shop floor. People should not be manipulated or even just made feel uncomfortable by charities - it's wrong and it should be stopped

Pumpkinseeds

I've bag packed in Dunnes for a local animal charity that helps animals of all kinds all over the county. All of the money goes on the animals needs as everyone involved volunteers their time. The bag pack is a huge source of income and the loss of the Dunnes bag pack has had a massive impact on rescues. As another poster pointed out, rescues regularly collect abandoned animals from supermarket car parks.

Dunnes received many complaints varying from online petitions, written complaints, emails and phone calls. All of which I tried myself, I have never received a response and I know of nobody else that did either. When I phoned head office I was told that it is there policy not to take calls of complaint. Dunnes are happy to ignore their customers when it suits them.

There is a very simple solution for reducing the number of collections, you only allow collections by registered charities and if you want to be stricter, only registered charities that benefit your community. Dunnes will let anyone collect except animal charities.

The ban on animal charities bag packing seems to stem back to an incident in Galway where a nut job who was refused a cat by an independent rescue decided to hold a protest outside Dunnes while that charity where doing a bag pack. Said nut job comes from a prominent Galway family, who as far as I'm aware, distanced themselves from the whole sordid incident. Sadly one cnut has been allowed to end a much needed source of income for charities.

babygirlz

Why is this been bumped up again, have we not had enough of it at this stage?

Tar.Aldarion

Yet you bump it over a week later

NurseBridie

Thanks for the update Pumpkinseeds, I stopped shopping in Dunnes once I heard about this ban and refuse to open my mailings from Dunnes and was wondering was there any update after having signed petitions. I wonder if I protested against any organisation that was bag packing would Dunnes ban them also?

MyKeyG

sparkling sea wrote: »

Charities should collect in foyers only, they shouldn't be allowed on the main shop floor. People should not be manipulated or even just made feel uncomfortable by charities - it's wrong and it should be stopped

So you prefer chuggers who stand on streets and in foyers physically obstructing you to query your monthly vice habits in order to convince you that you can spend more on their charity if you cut back on your weekly tipple as opposed to someone who stands at the end of a till wearing a Santa hat with a bucket in front of them not pressuring anyone to give anything?

Pat Mustard

The post to which you have replied was made 1 year and 9 months previously.

brandnewaward

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I fupping hate bag packers in supermarkets. I'm very fussy about what goes in to which bag . I actively avoid tills with packers on them. I wish they were all banned. They can just leave the bucket on the end of the till and I'll put money in it if I have spare change and I like who its for.

I always use the auld debit card if theres a bag packer at the till , use the "ive no cash mate" line....:D

ancapailldorcha

brandnewaward wrote: »

I always use the auld debit card if theres a bag packer at the till , use the "ive no cash mate" line....:D

I shouldn't have to lie to defend myself.

It happened to me once in Oxford. It seems to be endemic in Ireland. Regarding the incident in question, the guy commented on my Rammstein T-shirt to which I politely informed him that he was welcome to help me pack but that I would not be making a donation. Seemed happy enough to help but as Candie said earlier, I'd have preferred the opportunity to opt in.