Israeli Police "accidently" delete key evidence in Arab Teen Lynching case

jonsnow

I don't know how many of you were aware of this case but a mob of Jewish teenagers assaulted a random arab teen Jamal Julani who was walking past in an unprovoked attack back in August.He was actually clinically dead when his heart stopped after a ferocious beating but he was revived by paramedics.Authorities said that it was a miracle that he survived.

This was a really big deal in Israel at the time and was considered a watershed moment in arab israeli/jewish Israeli relations.The police moved quickly and arrested and charged 15 teens and Police commissioner Yohanan Danino told the press that “The lynch in Jerusalem was the most severe and contemptible act imaginable in a democratic law-abiding country”.Prime Minister Netanyahu stated ""In the State of Israel we aren’t willing to tolerate racism and we aren't willing to tolerate the combination of racism and violence"

The Speaker of the Israeli parliament visited Reuven Rivlin paid Jamal a visit to apologise on behalf of the state. Rivlin told him that the assault was evidently not an 'isolated incident of racism towards Arabs, but a worrying phenomenon in Israeli society' and that it was 'a microcosm of a national problem that could endanger Israeli democracy. The Education Minister Gideon Saar, who called the incident "violent" and "racist" instructed Israeli schools to discuss it in classes when the school term recommences.

To be fair to the Israeli government after the horrific event the growing trend of racism in Israeli society appeared to be acknowledged by the Israeli government and some positive actions taken.That was until the police accidently deleted key evidence.Now the efforts of the Israeli state to protect its arab citizens appears incredibly incompetent at best and appears to indicate that jewish teens can seriously assault and clinically kill an arab citizen and will suffer practically no consequences.Very sinister frankly.

http://theoslotimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7715:israeli-police-accidentally-delete-key-evidence-in-arab-teen-attack-case&catid=111:middle-east&Itemid=605

Israeli police have reported an accidental loss of key evidence related to the investigation of the August attack on an Arab teenager, which has since become known as “the Jerusalem lynch.”

Dozens of hours of video evidence have been mysteriously erased by the Jerusalem police “with no way to retrieve it”, which may enable the lynch attack suspects to get off lightly in court, Israeli media reports.

Jamal Julani, 17, and his three friends were attacked by a group of Jewish youths in downtown
Jerusalem this August. According to the witnesses, a crowd of youngsters had been singing racist songs and trying to provoke passing Arabs before the attack.

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Following the incident, ten suspects were arrested and indicted for their alleged involvement in the lynch attack, most of them aged less than 19, two being females. The suspects were charged for incitement to violence and racially motivated aggravated assault.

Hours of interrogations have been recorded, but most of that material has been lost due to an errant CD burn process. Only the first hour of each videotaped interview ended up on CDs, while the rest was permanently deleted, a Jerusalem police spokesperson later reported. Both the police and the Justice Ministry refused to comment further on the incident.

The defense reacted by calling for “throwing out” the indictments against the suspects as the investigative footage is no longer available. “The destruction of the investigation materials by the police is another indication of the negligent way the police carried out the investigation for this incident,” Ariel Atari, a lawyer for one of the suspects said, according to the Jerusalem Post.

The victim's family were shocked by the announcement, believing police officers to have purposefully lost the footage. "I think the police want to play a dirty trick to have the evidence disappear in order to drop the whole case," the teen’s father said.

Julani’s mother went on to accuse the Israeli police of encouraging attacks on Arabs. “It’s a message that the police are green lighting attacks on Arabs because ultimately the suspects are released and evidence against them is deleted,” she said, quoted by Ynet news.

For all the tl;dr merchants the thread title is self explanatory

squod

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Duck Soup

Give the hard drive to an independent techie and I'm sure they'll be able to retrieve the 'permanently' deleted files. Short of them having completely re-formatted the hard-drive, an awful lot of what was there previously should be retrievable.

TheStook

"According to the Jerusalem Post, a 15-year-old boy admitted beating the 17-year-old victim, Jamal Julani, claiming that it was in response to a perceived slight on his mother. “He insulted my mom,” the boy told a magistrate. “So I caught him and beat him. I hit him and I hope he gets it again. I hope he dies. You can’t go by Damascus Gate without getting stabbed. So why do they come here? I beat him and I’d beat him again.”

That Kid's going far in life!

Imagine in Ireland if we responded to every "Yore Ma" joke by beating the other person to within an inch of his life, the population would be significantly smaller!

Seaneh

TheStook wrote: »

According to the Jerusalem Post, a 15-year-old boy admitted beating the 17-year-old victim, Jamal Julani, claiming that it was in response to a perceived slight on his mother. “He insulted my mom,” the boy told a magistrate. “So I caught him and beat him. I hit him and I hope he gets it again. I hope he dies. You can’t go by Damascus Gate without getting stabbed. So why do they come here? I beat him and I’d beat him again.”

That Kid's going far in life!

Imagine in Ireland if we responded to every "Yore Ma" joke by beating the other person to within an inch of his life, the population would be significantly smaller!

Just another example of institutional racism in Israel. A farce of a "democracy".

Pottler

I'm no Israel fan, not really a hater either, but this one is a bit flimsy, a bit like blaming Ireland should some lads in Ballsbridge beat a lad from Newry to death. Teenaged boys do some fcked up stuff, go figure. And people press "delete" by mistake. I know I do.

Chuck Stone

Let's not blame every single Israeli for the actions of probably one person. Indeed the institutional response was quite commendable.

jonsnow wrote: »

police commissioner Yohanan Danino told the press that “The lynch in Jerusalem was the most severe and contemptible act imaginable in a democratic law-abiding country”.Prime Minister Netanyahu stated ""In the State of Israel we aren’t willing to tolerate racism and we aren't willing to tolerate the combination of racism and violence"

The Speaker of the Israeli parliament visited Reuven Rivlin paid Jamal a visit to apologise on behalf of the state. Rivlin told him that the assault was evidently not an 'isolated incident of racism towards Arabs, but a worrying phenomenon in Israeli society' and that it was 'a microcosm of a national problem that could endanger Israeli democracy. The Education Minister Gideon Saar, who called the incident "violent" and "racist" instructed Israeli schools to discuss it in classes when the school term recommences.

jonsnow

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Let's not blame every single Israeli for the actions of probably one person. Indeed the institutional response was quite commendable.

yeah until the police destroyed most of the key evidence.Talk is cheap.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Israel have to shapen up and start acting like a proper country, Their bullsh1t won't fly forever. Of course dealing with their upper echelon is like dealing with the Mafia, there's no win especially with Big Daddy USA waiting behind the curtain.

Harry Deerpark

Seaneh wrote: »

Just another example of institutional racism in Israel. A farce of a "democracy".

I agree. They should totally replace it with a misogynistic and homophobic theocracy akin to the neighbouring countries.

jonsnow

Duck Soup wrote: »

Give the hard drive to an independent techie and I'm sure they'll be able to retrieve the 'permanently' deleted files. Short of them having completely re-formatted the hard-drive, an awful lot of what was there previously should be retrievable.

Errant CD burn process apparently.Appears to be CDs of interviews destroyed not hard drives.

Hippies!

So he wasn't lynched then? contrary to the title ffs

Fox_In_Socks

What do you want us to do about it, OP?:pac:

karma_

Hippies! wrote: »

So he wasn't lynched then? contrary to the title ffs

No, he was. He had to be clinically revived by paramedics. I know it was a long post and all but that part was on the second bloody line!!!

shedweller

It's all bullsh1t and you all know it. Cd burning does not accidently delete files from a hard drive. But it's israel so let's make excuses.

lightspeed

The hypocrisy of these people is disgusting. The idea of a bunch of jewish people beating an arab person to death because they look arab and then gathering in a circle full of hate quite seems quite strange and hypocritical.

I wonder If you told the same jewish people how a bunch of nazis beat some young jewish teenagers to death for being jewish, would they understand the nazi point of view?

Harry Deerpark

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

What do you want us to do about it, OP?:pac:

The OP wants us to justify terrorist attacks on Israeli citizens whilst highlighting and exaggerating every minor thing Israel does.

All will amount to nothing, of course, because common sense will prevail and the U.S.A. will stand by Israel, thankfully.

jonsnow

Hippies! wrote: »

So he wasn't lynched then? contrary to the title ffs

I,d already quoted this

Police commissioner Yohanan Danino told the press that “The lynch in Jerusalem was the most severe and contemptible act imaginable in a democratic law-abiding country”

jonsnow

Harry Deerpark wrote: »

The OP wants us to justify terrorist attacks on Israeli citizens whilst highlighting and exaggerating every minor thing Israel does.

All will amount to nothing, of course, because common sense will prevail and the U.S.A. will stand by Israel, thankfully.

The arab teenager is an Israeli citizen who was attacked.I want his rights protected and a competent police investigation by the Israeli authorities.Do you not want the same ?

TheStook

jonsnow wrote: »

The arab teenager is an Israeli citizen who was attacked.I want his rights protected and a competent police investigation by the Israeli authorities.Do you not want the same ?

Of course he does you bastar d!

Yamanoto

jonsnow wrote: »

To be fair to the Israeli government...

Sshh.....heresy round these parts :pac:

Czarcasm

What's with all the Israel threads in AH lately?

Chuck Stone

jonsnow wrote: »

yeah until the police destroyed most of the key evidence.Talk is cheap.

'The police'.

There were corrupt cops in Donegal a few years back ergo the Gardai are corrupt and that's that.

Stunning use of logic eh?

Chuck Stone

Chuck Stone wrote: »

'The police'.

There were corrupt cops in Donegal a few years back ergo the Gardai are corrupt and that's that.

Stunning use of logic eh?

Irish guys beat a Polish guy to death in Dublin a few years back. Doesn't make every last Irish person a murdering xenophobe.

I think the official reaction to the beating seems commendable. I don't know anything about how the evidence was compromised, but everything else seemed by the book.

DEVEREUX

jonsnow wrote: »

Prime Minister Netanyahu stated ""In the State of Israel we aren’t willing to tolerate racism and we aren't willing to tolerate the combination of racism and violence"

The Speaker of the Israeli parliament visited Reuven Rivlin paid Jamal a visit to apologise on behalf of the state. Rivlin told him that the assault was evidently not an 'isolated incident of racism towards Arabs, but a worrying phenomenon in Israeli society' and that it was 'a microcosm of a national problem that could endanger Israeli democracy. The Education Minister Gideon Saar, who called the incident "violent" and "racist" instructed Israeli schools to discuss it in classes when the school term recommences.

Yeah, because Israel is such a monument to civilised democracy...what a joke

jonsnow

Chuck Stone wrote: »

'The police'.

There were corrupt cops in Donegal a few years back ergo the Gardai are corrupt and that's that.

Stunning use of logic eh?

The police did destroy the evidence whether inadvertently or deliberately.That is a fact.Either way they not conducting a model investigation of such a serious and high profile attack are they.

Hippies!

karma_ wrote: »

No, he was. He had to be clinically revived by paramedics. I know it was a long post and all but that part was on the second bloody line!!!

jonsnow wrote: »

I,d already quoted this

Police commissioner Yohanan Danino told the press that “The lynch in Jerusalem was the most severe and contemptible act imaginable in a democratic law-abiding country”

Ah, I was expecting lynching to be a hanging, my apologies.

Chuck Stone

jonsnow wrote: »

The police did destroy the evidence whether inadvertently or deliberately.That is a fact.Either way they not conducting a model investigation of such a serious and high profile attack are they.

We don't know the details. It could have been one bastard of a cop with an opportunity.

Taking one incident that might have been carried out by one person and saying 'look - that's 7.5 million people for ya' is just axe-grinding.

Call Me Jimmy

Even if this was the best combination of words found in a post, you're sitting in your jocks (I have my jeans on) AT BEST thanking it.

If it's the worst, you're creating your combination of words to counter it.

Who wins?


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Nulty

shedweller wrote: »

It's all bullsh1t and you all know it. Cd burning does not accidently delete files from a hard drive. But it's israel so let's make excuses.

They obviously will say that they burned them to disk and without checking the copies they deleted the originals. Or some bull**** like that.

Seaneh

Harry Deerpark wrote: »

I agree. They should totally replace it with a misogynistic and homophobic theocracy akin to the neighbouring countries.

You mean akin to Israel?

Duck Soup

jonsnow wrote: »

Errant CD burn process apparently.Appears to be CDs of interviews destroyed not hard drives.

Well, as I'm a non-techie, you'd have to explain this one to me.

Usually, if you're burning a CD, it's in the CD slot of a desktop/laptop. The files are burned from the hard drive of the laptop/desktop onto a CD or DVD. I've never heard of burning a CD direct from a digital camera.

The article says "Only the first hour of each videotaped interview ended up on CDs, while the rest was permanently deleted".

I can understand it if they thought they copied the interviews onto CD and then deleted the original files.

But if the files were originally held on computer - which they must have been to be burned onto CDs - all of the files can be retrieved, even after deletion.

jonsnow

Duck Soup wrote: »

Well, as I'm a non-techie, you'd have to explain this one to me.

Usually, if you're burning a CD, it's in the CD slot of a desktop/laptop. The files are burned from the hard drive of the laptop/desktop onto a CD or DVD. I've never heard of burning a CD direct from a digital camera.

The article says "Only the first hour of each videotaped interview ended up on CDs, while the rest was permanently deleted".

I can understand it if they thought they copied the interviews onto CD and then deleted the original files.

But if the files were originally held on computer - which they must have been to be burned onto CDs - all of the files can be retrieved, even after deletion.

Well I,m a non-techie as well and they basically gave no real details as to how they lost the evidence and they refused to answer any questions about the matter so its very hard to know what to make of it.

Fr_Dougal

Easy enough thing to happen, I've deleted a few important files by mistake in my time, as I'm sure everyone on this thread has.

jonsnow

Chuck Stone wrote: »

We don't know the details. It could have been one bastard of a cop with an opportunity.

Taking one incident that might have been carried out by one person and saying 'look - that's 7.5 million people for ya' is just axe-grinding.

Where did I blame all 7.5 million Israeli citizens.I stated that the israeli state had not carried out a competent investigation of a very serious attempted lynching.This is the truth.The Israeli police have a long history of not treating Iaraelii arab citizens as equals of israeli jewish citizens and not investigating attacks aginst them by jews properly .This is the truth.

If this something similar had happened to your brother/son/friend I wonder would you be so blase."oh you deleted hours and hours of crucial evidence so now his attackers will probably walk.You wont explain properly how you did that or what processes or in place that would allow such a thing to happen.Fair enough I suppose."

GalwayGuy2

You mean akin to Israel?

Hmmm, Israel actually got rid of the don't ask don't tell before America, and their women's rights are pretty top notch (even with the bus controversy that was a rare incident). Not defending what they're doing to the Palestinian people, but calling them misogynistic?

On the deletion, yeah I'd say they have their own three degrees of separation going on. Israel has a population a million more than we do, and is a quarter smaller. Although, quite diverse, and with strong religios and lines, I'd say there's a strong chance of one of the police officers knowing someone who knew someone who knew the father sort of situation. All it takes is a few police who think "ah sure, twas only a terrorist" to undermine a whole investigation.

jonsnow

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Hmmm, Israel actually got rid of the don't ask don't tell before America, and their women's rights are pretty top notch (even with the bus controversy that was a rare incident). Not defending what they're doing to the Palestinian people, but calling them misogynistic?

On the deletion, yeah I'd say they have their own three degrees of separation going on. Israel has a population a million more than we do, and is a quarter smaller. Although, quite diverse, and with strong religios and lines, I'd say there's a strong chance of one of the police officers knowing someone who knew someone who knew the father sort of situation. All it takes is a few police who think "ah sure, twas only a terrorist" to undermine a whole investigation.

yeah perfectly understandable and reasonable so.:rolleyes:

GalwayGuy2

yeah perfectly understandable and reasonable so.

No, I never said that. To fix any problem you have to understand it to reason with the wrongdoers.

Or we could just call all Israeli people evil and Racist?

jonsnow

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

No, I never said that. To fix any problem you have to understand it to reason with the wrongdoers.

Or we could just call all Israeli people evil and Racist?

Well you also have to investigate the problem and not just shrug your shoulders and say that these things happen.A few bad apples etc. etc.

Noone is calling all Israeli people evil and racist (or at least I,m not) so strawman argument there

GalwayGuy2

Well you also have to investigate the problem and not just shrug your shoulders and say that these things happen.A few bad apples etc. etc.

I don't think I shrugged my shoulders while saying that. And I never said anything about bad apples.

jonsnow

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

I don't think I shrugged my shoulders while saying that. And I never said anything about bad apples.

Your entire tone was dismissive.Its a small country, everyone knows each other so you implied that its understandable that strings might be pulled and made no suggestions as to curbing such behaviour

Re bad apples yeah you did

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

I'd say there's a strong chance of one of the police officers knowing someone who knew someone who knew the father sort of situation. All it takes is a few police who think "ah sure, twas only a terrorist" to undermine a whole investigation.

lounakin

Seaneh wrote: »

Just another example of institutional racism in Israel. A farce of a "democracy".

Instutitional racism? Same on the other side!

Higher

Candie wrote: »

Irish guys beat a Polish guy to death in Dublin a few years back. Doesn't make every last Irish person a murdering xenophobe.

I think the official reaction to the beating seems commendable. I don't know anything about how the evidence was compromised, but everything else seemed by the book.

Everything else seems by the book except for the police deleting the key evidence that would actually prosecute the culprits :rolleyes:

No one is having a go at Israel for the actions of some scumbags. However people are having a go about an organ of the Israeli state quite clearly ensuring that those scumbags get off because the victim happens to be Arab and the culprits Jewish.

Higher

Is it just me or is it cool to defend Israel or something?

They are no better than the apartheid people in South Africa and yet the difference in reaction is incredible.

Maybe its because Muslims are so hated. Jewish were the focus of hate in the 20th century, now it seems its the muslims turn.

GalwayGuy2

Your entire tone was dismissive.Its a small country, everyone knows each other so you implied that its understandable that strings might be pulled and made no suggestions as to curbing such behaviour

That's majorly interpretive.

My name is URL

Higher wrote: »

Is it just me or is it cool to defend Israel or something?

They are no better than the apartheid people in South Africa and yet the difference in reaction is incredible.

Maybe its because Muslims are so hated. Jewish were the focus of hate in the 20th century, now it seems its the muslims turn.

I don't think any right minded person would or could defend the obvious human rights abuses etc of Israel, but there's a huge difference between criticising the policies & practices of a nation's government and attacking the entire populace.

More harm than good is done by those who base their views on people in general on the actions of their political leaders. It gives idiots (those who simply defend Israel because they are 'right-wing' or whatever) a reason to dismiss all opposing arguments.

ProfanityURL

Harry Deerpark wrote: »

All will amount to nothing, of course, because common sense will prevail and the U.S.A. will stand by Israel, thankfully.

Common sense that has Palestinian families being ejected from their homes in the west bank so they can be demolished and replaced with unlawful Israeli settlements. But don't say anything about it because that would be anti-semetic...

Debator

Higher wrote: »

Is it just me or is it cool to defend Israel or something?

Where did you get that idea? College campuses are full of naive teenagers wearing Che Guevara t-shirts and PLO scarfs.

They are no better than the apartheid people in South Africa and yet the difference in reaction is incredible.

This old chestnut. I'm not going to waste time explaining why your analogy is just plain wrong because I get the feeling you're going to believe what you want to believe. Here is a page from your Bible, the Guardian. Even they agree that comparing Israel to apartheid SA is stupid. Guardian article

Maybe its because Muslims are so hated. Jewish were the focus of hate in the 20th century, now it seems its the muslims turn.

Plenty of anti-Jewish hatred around these dsays and there has been for the past few millennia. Your kind are nothing new but I'll fight you every step along the way. Hatred and bigotry will never prevail.

Nodin

Debator wrote: »

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This old chestnut. I'm not going to waste time explaining why your analogy is just plain wrong ............ .

A shame, as I could do with a chuckle. The OT's are run along lines so similar to Apartheid SA it's hard to see how you could compare them to anything else.

Debator wrote: »

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Even they agree that comparing Israel to apartheid SA is stupid.

Attaching a "they agree" to a comment is free opinion piece by an individual is a bit much, tbh.

Its also worth noting that the author refers to Israel proper, not the OT.

Debator wrote: »

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Plenty of anti-Jewish hatred around these dsays and there has been for the past few millennia. Your kind are nothing new but I'll fight you every step along the way. Hatred and bigotry will never prevail.

Good man, fighting talk to go with your baseless accusation of anti-semitism.

Debator

Nodin wrote: »

A shame, as I could do with a chuckle. The OT's are run along lines so similar to Apartheid SA it's hard to see how you could compare them to anything else.

This thread is not about the Occupied Territories. It's about Israel.

Attaching a "they agree" to a comment is free opinion piece by an individual is a bit much, tbh.

Its also worth noting that the author refers to Israel proper, not the OT.

Sorry I couldn't find a similar article from your news source of choice, Al Jazeera.
Does Israel have separate toilets for Jews and Arabs?
Can Arab-Israelis vote?
Are Arab-Israelis barred from getting jobs?

Come back to me when you figure out the answers. The "Israel is an apartheid state" vomit has been debunked a few dozen times now since my time on boards.

Good man, fighting talk to go with your baseless accusation of anti-semitism.

I'm a man of peace. No to IRA. No to Hamas. Simple.

Nodin

Debator wrote: »

This thread is not about the Occupied Territories. It's about Israel..

You were referring specifically to the comparisons with Apartheid SA. These comparisons in the most part arise due to the regime instituted by the Israeli state in those regions. To ignore the existence of this is rather nonsensical, and a bit of sillyness, in all honesty.

Debator wrote: »

Sorry I couldn't find a similar article from your news source of choice, Al Jazeera...

Is there some reason that makes you think that should be my "news source of choice"?

Debator wrote: »

Does Israel have separate toilets for Jews and Arabs?
Can Arab-Israelis vote?
Are Arab-Israelis barred from getting jobs?...

While the Israeli-Palestinian population faces great discrimination, the Palestinian population in the OT's suffers the full brunt of the Apartheid style regime, with a two-tier system of "justice", resource distribution, access to transport, destruction of property and crops by Israeli colonists etc.

Debator wrote: »

I'm a man of peace. No to IRA. No to Hamas. Simple.

....yet seem easy with state violence, occupation and colonialism. Fascinating.

I wasn't aware that either the IRA or Hamas had anything to do with the regime imposed in Arab East Jerusalem or the West Bank.