Jp buys jezki

sfwcork

Cant find out how much but now owned by jp

prettyboy81

Yeah just seen that Matt Chapman (Yeehaaa) tweeted it, JP loves his 2mile hurdlers!

Colonel Sanders

from the RP:

McManus linked to purchase of Jezki

SPECULATION was mounting on Thursday night that Jezki, unbeaten over hurdles and 4-1 favourite for the William Hill Supreme Novices' Hurdle, is to be bought by JP McManus.

The Jessica Harrington-trained five -year-old, who is thought to be worth in the region of €500,000, won two of the three bumpers he contested last season. He is four from four over hurdles for his breeder Gerard McGrath having followed up two wins at Naas by landing two Grade 1 events last month.

I'd have said 500k was a conservative estimate

Slattsy

My ante post bet just got better !
I'll have AP on board now, not Robbie Power

BOOM !!!

rossom

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

from the RP:



I'd have said 500k was a conservative estimate

If he paid 500k then I think he has gotten a real bargain when comparing the price paid for other horses, with the 375k for Golantilla being the prime example. I do have to stress that I mean he has gotten a comparable bargain for a horse with proven Grade 1 winning form vs potential ability. Some may argue that 500k for Jezki is silly money and I certainly wouldn't be bashing anyone for that thinking that but to moneybags McManus its not much more than a drop in the ocean.

Colonel Sanders

rossom wrote: »

If he paid 500k then I think he has gotten a real bargain when comparing the price paid for other horses, with the 375k for Golantilla being the prime example. I do have to stress that I mean he has gotten a comparable bargain for a horse with proven Grade 1 winning form vs potential ability. Some may argue that 500k for Jezki is silly money and I certainly wouldn't be bashing anyone for that thinking that but to moneybags McManus its not much more than a drop in the ocean.

My "conservative estimate" was actually based directly on a comparison to Golantilla's 375k price tag!

ste2010

It's nearly faith jezki doesn't win the supreme after this

Slattsy

ste2010 wrote: »

It's nearly faith jezki doesn't win the supreme after this

Shut up you. Just shut up.

jayroyal

rossom wrote: »

If he paid 500k then I think he has gotten a real bargain when comparing the price paid for other horses, with the 375k for Golantilla being the prime example. I do have to stress that I mean he has gotten a comparable bargain for a horse with proven Grade 1 winning form vs potential ability. Some may argue that 500k for Jezki is silly money and I certainly wouldn't be bashing anyone for that thinking that but to moneybags McManus its not much more than a drop in the ocean.

Do you think some owners just wouldn't see the enjoyment in buying a grade 1 winner. I would feel you would get a hell of a lot more enjoyment out of a horse you bought on its potential when it goes on to win grade 1's.

That would be my feeling on it. I would think that's why 500k looks cheap to the others.

rossom

jayroyal wrote: »

Do you think some owners just wouldn't see the enjoyment in buying a grade 1 winner. I would feel you would get a hell of a lot more enjoyment out of a horse you bought on its potential when it goes on to win grade 1's.

That would be my feeling on it. I would think that's why 500k looks cheap to the others.

I get what you mean and personally I would feel the same way if buying a horse but Jezki is still in the infancy of his career with his biggest tests still to come. He's the most likely winner of the premier 2m Grade 1 for Juveniles in the Supreme Novices and could easily progress into a horse that is a Champion Hurdle contender next year.

JP has won pretty much all the major prizes and I think he just wants to dominate every race possible. I think that is where his enjoyment comes from rather than seeing a horse develop from scratch and have it progress from potential to class.

Harry Angstrom

jayroyal wrote: »

Do you think some owners just wouldn't see the enjoyment in buying a grade 1 winner. I would feel you would get a hell of a lot more enjoyment out of a horse you bought on its potential when it goes on to win grade 1's.

That would be my feeling on it. I would think that's why 500k looks cheap to the others.

It's probably a bit more than 500k. I bet the owner of Dunguib regrets not selling him after he won the Cheltenham Bumper.

finbarrk

ste2010 wrote: »

It's nearly faith jezki doesn't win the supreme after this

JP has a couple of them won already.

ste2010

finbarrk wrote: »

JP has a couple of them won already.

True but under the same circumstances!? He did the same with colour squadron last year

Slattsy

ste2010 wrote: »

True but under the same circumstances!? He did the same with colour squadron last year

I'd Colour Squadron back Ante post last year too.

cack_handed

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

It's probably a bit more than 500k. I bet the owner of Dunguib regrets not selling him after he won the Cheltenham Bumper.

I don't believe they have any regrets at all, having the horse was much more important to them than having a bagful of cash and, as shrewd racing people, they understood the risks they were taking, the same as the guy who owns Flemenstar. Long may we see their like in the game

Winning Ways Racing

I'd be surprised if the price tag wasn't well north of €500k. Dual Grade 1 winner looking very good both times. Just turned 5 so should be more improvement (although I'm not convinced based on the rest of the family).

You must remember, anyone paying this sort of money thinks completely differently to ordinary PAYE workers. If I had €100 million and I could pay €500k for Jezki, I'd think it was an ok deal to be honest.

RichieLawlor

cack_handed wrote: »

I don't believe they have any regrets at all, having the horse was much more important to them than having a bagful of cash and, as shrewd racing people, they understood the risks they were taking, the same as the guy who owns Flemenstar. Long may we see their like in the game

I understand what your saying but let's not get crazy here, they definitly regret not taking that money for Dunguib given what we know now

Imhof Tank

cack_handed wrote: »

I don't believe they have any regrets at all, having the horse was much more important to them than having a bagful of cash and, as shrewd racing people, they understood the risks they were taking, the same as the guy who owns Flemenstar. Long may we see their like in the game

IMO unless you are in the JP, Gigginstown or Potts league, you couldnt be turning down mad offers for an impressive but unproven bumper winner.

There are different considerations with the likes of Dunguib, and especially Flemenstar who is now a made horse who will be running for big big money at all the major festivals even if he is never a Gold Cup horse. Dont be thinking they are just in it for the sport.

Morgans

Always sell.

500K is a ridiculous price for the horse.

Harry Angstrom

cack_handed wrote: »

I don't believe they have any regrets at all, having the horse was much more important to them than having a bagful of cash and, as shrewd racing people, they understood the risks they were taking, the same as the guy who owns Flemenstar. Long may we see their like in the game

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

cack_handed

Imhof Tank wrote: »

There are different considerations with the likes of Dunguib, and especially Flemenstar who is now a made horse who will be running for big big money at all the major festivals even if he is never a Gold Cup horse. Dont be thinking they are just in it for the sport.

I don't know if you're suggesting the Flemenstar story is in some way different to Dunguib's, because it isn't. It's exactly the same. Stephen Curran was turning down huge offers for Flemenstar even before he'd taken a single stride under rules, was he by your reckoning not foolish to do that? The silly offers for Dunguib came only after the horse had sauntered away with
Cheltenham Bumper.

Should they have sold? Well of course hindsight suggests so, but who are we to presume how the owners should feel now? I bet when Danoli got crocked in Liverpool that time, there were people telling Dan O'Neill, 'bet you wished you'd sold him when you had the chance now Dan'.

Actually, I bet Dan O'Neill never thought that, nor do I know whether Lily Lawlor and Dan Hartnett lie awake every night cursing the day they turned down huge money for Dunguib, they just strike me as hard-nosed racing people who made a decision for better or worse and knew the risks involved. They weren't doe-eyed dreamers convinced he'd win every race he entered, Fenton did a pretty decent job ever getting him to a racecourse in the first place!

Anyway not really worth an argument. Contrary to what people say here, horses sometimes do come along without a price on their heads. Happens rare enough that I like to applaud it when it does

Imhof Tank

cack_handed wrote: »

I don't know if you're suggesting the Flemenstar story is in some way different to Dunguib's, because it isn't. It's exactly the same. Stephen Curran was turning down huge offers for Flemenstar even before he'd taken a single stride under rules, was he by your reckoning not foolish to do that? The silly offers for Dunguib came only after the horse had sauntered away with
Cheltenham Bumper.

Should they have sold? Well of course hindsight suggests so, but who are we to presume how the owners should feel now? I bet when Danoli got crocked in Liverpool that time, there were people telling Dan O'Neill, 'bet you wished you'd sold him when you had the chance now Dan'.

Actually, I bet Dan O'Neill never thought that, nor do I know whether Lily Lawlor and Dan Hartnett lie awake every night cursing the day they turned down huge money for Dunguib, they just strike me as hard-nosed racing people who made a decision for better or worse and knew the risks involved. They weren't doe-eyed dreamers convinced he'd win every race he entered, Fenton did a pretty decent job ever getting him to a racecourse in the first place!

Anyway not really worth an argument. Contrary to what people say here, horses sometimes do come along without a price on their heads. Happens rare enough that I like to applaud it when it does

My personal view is this

- dont ever turn down a silly offer for your unproven PTP/ bumper horse, this is the only commercial thing to do. To turn down such an offer would be insane;

- if you dont get an early offer and your horse later develops into a made G1 performer such as Jezki for example, then retaining the horse to chase prize money becomes a sane option for a sporting owner, and fair play to those who chose to hang on to proven types like this - they are taking a risk that it may all go pear shaped in the morning - but nothing like the same risk the owners of Moyle Park would be taking if they were to turn down say 300 grand for him.

Itziger

Imhof Tank wrote: »

My personal view is this

- dont ever turn down a silly offer for your unproven PTP/ bumper horse, this is the only commercial thing to do. To turn down such an offer would be insane;

- if you dont get an early offer and your horse later develops into a made G1 performer such as Jezki for example, then retaining the horse to chase prize money becomes a sane option for a sporting owner, and fair play to those who chose to hang on to proven types like this - they are taking a risk that it may all go pear shaped in the morning - but nothing like the same risk the owners of Moyle Park would be taking if they were to turn down say 300 grand for him.

You can't really argue with this except to say 'What if the owners of the Bumper winner are dreamers who've dreamed for 30 years of owning a Gold Cup winner?' If you sell any fella who looks promising then you'll never get to walk into that Cheltenham/Ascot winner's spot. I don't know what I'd do, I like to think I'd hang onto him

Imhof Tank

Itziger wrote: »

You can't really argue with this except to say 'What if the owners of the Bumper winner are dreamers who've dreamed for 30 years of owning a Gold Cup winner?' If you sell any fella who looks promising then you'll never get to walk into that Cheltenham/Ascot winner's spot. I don't know what I'd do, I like to think I'd hang onto him

I know the owners of a very cheaply bought 4yo filly - won a listed sprint last summer. They told me "when your horse is worth more than your house, you have to sell".

Its all very well to hum and haw in theory. If a small owner gets into this position in real life, there's really no decision to make at all.

Harry Angstrom

If JP comes along with his chequebook, you've got to sell. Take Dunguib, for instance. There were rumours that the owners had received "a very substantial offer" for him, and they turned it down. Now, if JP had made that offer you could be sure that it was a very substantial amount indeed. Even if Dunguib went on to win a Champion Hurdle or a Gold Cup, it's unlikely he'd have ever recouped that amount of dosh in prizemoney. Considering Dunguib pretty much flopped, if I was his owner I'd be tearing my hair out at this stage.

Itziger

Lads, fair enough, I see what you're saying but there is actually more to life than money. Just saying.

mr.jingle

Itziger wrote: »

Lads, fair enough, I see what you're saying but there is actually more to life than money. Just saying.

If you were offered €300,000 for a bumper winner what would you do?

Morgans

ft9 wrote: »

Snip.

That's exactly why he should sell.

Imhof Tank

ft9 wrote: »

snip.

Actually in that scenario there is even greater incentive to sell where the farmer still has the dam to breed from - all those future half brothers to the one that sold for the big money. Lovely jubly.

Itziger

ft9 wrote: »

Snip

So, there ye have it. A real life example of what I was saying. It's not ALL about the money.

I'm 48 now and I love most sports. My go to YouTube clip is Arkle winning the 64 Gold Cup, followed by Arkle winning the Whitbread with 12'7.

As I was (Almost!) a foetus for the first of those I don't think I rewatch the race for the cash it put in my pocket. Understandably, a lot of fellas on here are punters. I'm not, just love both jumps and flat.

Now I'm not saying you shouldn't sell ever. Christ I'd be more than tempted and of course it depends too on each person's financial situation at the time. I'm just saying the answer is not - Always sell!

ft9

Itziger wrote: »

So, there ye have it. A real life example of what I was saying. It's not ALL about the money.

I'm 48 now and I love most sports. My go to YouTube clip is Arkle winning the 64 Gold Cup, followed by Arkle winning the Whitbread with 12'7.

As I was (Almost!) a foetus for the first of those I don't think I rewatch the race for the cash it put in my pocket. Understandably, a lot of fellas on here are punters. I'm not, just love both jumps and flat.

Now I'm not saying you shouldn't sell ever. Christ I'd be more than tempted and of course it depends too on each person's financial situation at the time. I'm just saying the answer is not - Always sell!

This.

Imhof Tank

ft9 wrote: »

snip

But have you had a crazy offer for the good one, as in 100k plus?

Morgans

If there is no need for money in your house = dont sell
If there is some need for money but you want to own a Cheltenham winner = sell
If there is some need for money and you want a cheltenham runner = sell
If there is some need for money and wonder if you keep the horse you can make money = sell

You still get the satisfaction of breeding the horse.

droidman123

How much is paid for a horse is all relative imo.if you won say a million on the lotto you probably wouldnt pay 500,000 for a horse but if you were a rich oil sheik with bottomless pockets then 500,000 would mean nothing to you. Anyway i hope he keeps the horse at harringtons .

ft9

droidman123 wrote: »

How much is paid for a horse is all relative imo.if you won say a million on the lotto you probably wouldnt pay 500,000 for a horse but if you were a rich oil sheik with bottomless pockets then 500,000 would mean nothing to you. Anyway i hope he keeps the horse at harringtons .

He is keeping the horse at Harringtons.

Winning Ways Racing

RichieLawless wrote: »

He is keeping the horse at Harringtons.

He very rarely moves a horse from its incumbant trainer. That's admirable.

Nulty

Winning Ways Racing wrote: »

He very rarely moves a horse from its incumbant trainer. That's admirable.

I see what your saying but I don't think admirable is the right word, is it? He might see it as logical. That's how I see it.

Nulty

Poor Robbie Power. No more Jezki dreams for Cheltenham.

ft9

I feel sorry for Power too, he's surely gutted.

Colonel Sanders

Unless AP rides either My Tent or Yours or Snake Eyes (highly unlikely though!)

Slattsy

RichieLawless wrote: »

I feel sorry for Power too, he's surely gutted.

Who's the new guy?

Colonel Sanders

Slattsy wrote: »

Who's the new guy?

Ritchie Lawlor's alter ego?

Only messing, welcome to the forum RitchieLawless

Slattsy

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Ritchie Lawlor's alter ego?

Only messing, welcome to the forum RitchieLawless

I think its FT9 ??

UrbanSea

Hahahahahaha brilliant name

premierstone

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Unless AP rides either My Tent or Yours or Snake Eyes (highly unlikely though!)

Its a pretty nice problem for AP, was very impressed with MTOY last week and he seems the strongest of the English Challenge - now that Puffin Billy seems destined for the Neptune - so AP has the choice of two of the market leaders.

rossom

premierstone wrote: »

Its a pretty nice problem for AP, was very impressed with MTOY last week and he seems the strongest of the English Challenge - now that Puffin Billy seems destined for the Neptune - so AP has the choice of two of the market leaders.

Surely he has to ride Jezki? I'd be very surprised if JP didn't consult with AP prior to making the purchase. I don't think you could turn down riding the favourite who is unbeaten over hurdles and has landed two Grade 1s already

Colonel Sanders

rossom wrote: »

Surely he has to ride Jezki? I'd be very surprised if JP didn't consult with AP prior to making the purchase. I don't think you could turn down riding the favourite who is unbeaten over hurdles and has landed two Grade 1s already

He's about 1.04 to ride Jezki I'd say

droidman123

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

He's about 1.04 to ride Jezki I'd say

Of course mc coy will ride jezki!

Hulk Hands

Nulty wrote: »

Poor Robbie Power. No more Jezki dreams for Cheltenham.

Would Barry Geragthy not be on for the ride had there been no sale? Surely he'd be allowed off by Henderson to ride the hot favourite?

RichieLawlor

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Would Barry Geragthy not be on for the ride had there been no sale? Surely he'd be allowed off by Henderson to ride the hot favourite?

Henderson has the second fav. Zero chance BJG is allowed ride Jezki if that situation arose

Hulk Hands

I just presumed he had a situation similar to Ruby. Granted it's not like he's regular stable jock for Harrington though. Probably fair enough, he reaps benefits in other ways