speeding fine

lurkballs

i got caught speeding and was pulled over
i produced my licence and the garda took my details and my number plate etc
i received the fine it came to correct address with the correct licence plate but the name on the fine is not mine ?
it's like changed from mc carthy to mc currity (real names changed lol but you get the jist )
would i get away with not paying it as obviously it's not me
and i'd be paying this fine somewhat illegally lol

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Mint Sauce

lurkballs wrote: »

i got caught speeding and was pulled over
i produced my licence and the garda took my details and my number plate etc
i received the fine it came to correct address with the correct licence plate but the name on the fine is not mine ?
it's like changed from mc carthy to mc currity (real names changed lol but you get the jist )
would i get away with not paying it as obviously it's not me
and i'd be paying this fine somewhat illegally lol

please move to appropriate section if applicable thanks mods i love you

Would it have been easier just not to get caught?

giant_midget

irish-stew wrote: »

Would it have been easier just not to get caught?

Get off your high horse ffs..

Max Power

Love you too

castletownman

Are you friendly with a local garda? If so, get them to sort it out for you. They have a good rep for that

SunnyDub1

lurkballs wrote: »

iwould i get away with not paying it as obviously it's not me
and i'd be paying this fine somewhat illegally lol

obviously it is you

CreepingDeath

giant_midget wrote: »

Get off your high horse ffs..

Maybe he's a horse mounted Garda.

spank_inferno

Pay up OP.
A typo is not a get out clause

If you don't pay now, a court will make you pay later.

(so do us taxpayers a solid and don't let it come to that wasted court time!)

AnonoBoy

If my understanding of the logic employed by the Freeman movement is correct then you don't have to pay any fine ever unless the Garda reads out the exact statute of the constitution that gives him power to hand out fines, recites his badge number backwards and forwards, stands on one leg and hops while turning in a full 360 degree circle.

PogMoThoin

No hassle, Get on to your local Garda, he will get it changed into your proper name....

lurkballs

some good replies but as i said my name is johhny mc carthy not mc whatever is on the fine why should i pay someone elses fine?

i'll get back in my time machine and not get caught so :rolleyes


im going to pay the fine regardless
i was just wondering is all
i didn't want to go paying johhnys fine for him he's loaded

john_cappa

Did you not think about the children when you were driving so fast??

I bet you are on benefits aswell??

Jacob T

You'll have to not pay the fine, then not pay the increased fine and receive a court summons. Fortunately the law has to be exact when naming accused people and in the eyes of the law your name is NOT legally "John McCurrity" or whatever the mistaken name was. High chance it will be thrown out by the judge but it's a risk because if convicted in court you may receive an increased fine and more penalty points.

Peanut2011

OP, if you produced your licence at the roadside the Garda would have taken down your licence number anyway so you would eventually be tracked down. Although saying that, you could play dumb, drag it out to court and claim it was not you..... Do you really want to chance it that far?

SunnyDub1

lurkballs wrote: »

some good replies but as i said my name is johhny mc carthy not mc whatever is on the fine why should i pay someone elses fine?

i'll get back in my time machine and not get caught so :rolleyes:

Are you actually taking the piss ?????

it's not someone Else's fine... it's yours

there was just a misspelling...

Mint Sauce

giant_midget wrote: »

Get off your high horse ffs..

This is AH, not motors, although tbf, OP would have got similar response there as well.

Seriously though OP, don't think you can get out of this one unless you want to fight it in court, then even then the judge might just say its a typo and up the fine and points.

lurkballs

john_cappa wrote: »

Did you not think about the children when you were driving so fast??

I bet you are on benefits aswell??

it was 2am if they were out playing at that hour their parents should be fined

don't know why you would say that....??

The_Gatsby

lurkballs wrote: »

some good replies but as i said my name is johhny mc carthy not mc whatever is on the fine why should i pay someone elses fine?

i'll get back in my time machine and not get caught so :rolleyes


im going to pay the fine regardless
i was just wondering is all
i didn't want to go paying johhnys fine for him he's loaded

It's not somebody else's fine. It's yours. You got caught speeding so stop looking for a way out of it, pay up and don't do it again. Bold boy

Furious_George

lurkballs wrote: »

some good replies but as i said my name is johhny mc carthy not mc whatever is on the fine why should i pay someone elses fine?

i'll get back in my time machine and not get caught so :rolleyes


im going to pay the fine regardless
i was just wondering is all
i didn't want to go paying johhnys fine for him he's loaded

I'd say if the reg number is on it you might have to pay. I dont know but maybe you would have to go to court to get it dismissed and lying in court that it wasnt you may not be the best idea. I dont really know how these things work, just speculating here.

sfwcork

Try your very best to get away with it.Dont listen to those on the high horse say pay up as you did the crime.Do you think cops,td's or high profile figures pay them. My arse they do

mattjack

Pay it twice OP , in both names just to be safe.

Boombastic

AnonoBoy wrote: »

If my understanding of the logic employed by the Freeman movement is correct then you don't have to pay any fine ever unless the Garda reads out the exact statute of the constitution that gives him power to hand out fines, recites his badge number backwards and forwards, stands on one leg and hops while turning in a full 360 degree circle.

Even if he does all of this you still don't have to pay the fine if he doesn't have his hat on

recyclebin

lurkballs wrote: »

i got caught speeding and was pulled over
i produced my licence and the garda took my details and my number plate etc
i received the fine it came to correct address with the correct licence plate but the name on the fine is not mine ?
it's like changed from mc carthy to mc currity (real names changed lol but you get the jist )
would i get away with not paying it as obviously it's not me
and i'd be paying this fine somewhat illegally lol

please move to appropriate section if applicable thanks mods i love you

I think the people who get away with this usually have a lawyer with them.

I doubt it's worth getting legal advice over. Just ask them to correct the spelling and pay the fine.

Dodge

lurkballs wrote: »

some good replies but as i said my name is johhny mc carthy not mc whatever is on the fine why should i pay someone elses fine?

Seeing as its the correct reg, and the address matches the reg, your argument will fall down in court.

You can try and be smart arse about it but you know what you should do, and you seem annoyed that people here won't back you up.

flutterflye

lurkballs wrote: »

it was 2am if they were out playing at that hour their parents should be fined

don't know why you would say that....??

I think he was just messing!

AnonoBoy

Boombastic wrote: »

Even if he does all of this you still don't have to pay the fine if he doesn't have his hat on

Of course how stupid of me to forget the rule of hatticus onicus.

TheDoc

lurkballs wrote: »

i got caught speeding and was pulled over
i produced my licence and the garda took my details and my number plate etc
i received the fine it came to correct address with the correct licence plate but the name on the fine is not mine ?
it's like changed from mc carthy to mc currity (real names changed lol but you get the jist )
would i get away with not paying it as obviously it's not me
and i'd be paying this fine somewhat illegally lol

please move to appropriate section if applicable thanks mods i love you

If it came to you with the same license plate and house address, why would you be concerned about paying someone else fine.

Sounds like you are trying to get some justification to skip the fine, pay up pal, you got caught

cojomo2

Jacob T wrote: »

You'll have to not pay the fine, then not pay the increased fine and receive a court summons. Fortunately the law has to be exact when naming accused people and in the eyes of the law your name is NOT legally "John McCurrity" or whatever the mistaken name was. High chance it will be thrown out by the judge but it's a risk because if convicted in court you may receive an increased fine and more penalty points.

who would the court summons be issued to? Jonny McCurrity?

Ray Palmer

Same thing happened to my mother except she was out of the country. The fine doubled. She rang asked the Garda what to do. The said ignore it and they would mark it down as unable to find the person.

You certainly can ignore the tickets. They can't summon you with the wrong name. Don't open the letters and return to sender

lurkballs

Dodge wrote: »

Seeing as its the correct reg, and the address matches the reg, your argument will fall down in court.

You can try and be smart arse about it but you know what you should do, and you seem annoyed that people here won't back you up.

lol i'm not annoyed at all where in the post am i annoyed lol
i said earlier i'd pay, too many serious people in here lighten up
it's just a question
thanks for all the replies now carry on with yer lives people

Madam_X

sfwcork wrote: »

Try your very best to get away with it.Dont listen to those on the high horse say pay up as you did the crime.Do you think cops,td's or high profile figures pay them. My arse they do

Hate the way guards write off dangerous speeding for some people (not always high profile either) but whats just as bad is "Weh, weh, I know I brought the fine on myself, nobody else did, but I have an inflated sense of entitlement and no sense of personal responsibility, and don't feel I should pay it, because I don't want ta! And anyway the pigs let people off, fuk da law!" as if they wouldn't happily let the guards let them off.

"Get off your high horse" also translates as "I know you're right but I hate having to admit it."

Squ

spank_inferno wrote:

(so do us a solid)

Am i the only one who thinks of a 12" fat turd blocking a jax whenever someone uses this phrase?

sfwcork

wrote:

lurkballs

it's just a question
thanks for all the replies now carry on with yer lives people

No Im sorry I cant.Not until I know the outcome of this.I cant possibly just move on like that

Seedy Arling

The fact you produced your licence and the Garda took the name down wrong probably means a judge would throw it out of court if you didnt pay it and let it go to court.

How can you rely on a Garda to operate a speed gun properly if he can't write a name down that is in black and white in front of him?

ImDave

I'd think it would come down to the same thing as a fixed penelty notice issued from a speed camera. If you are the registered owner of the vehicle (I don't know if you are OP, but presuming you are), the onus is on you to prove it was Mr. McCurrity or whoever was driving, and not yourself. As you can't do that, you'll have to pay up.

Pat Mustard

OP, is the summons obviously addressed to you? By that I am asking:
(a) if it is just an obvious typo.
(b) if the details on the fine identify you.

corktina

OP don't pay and eventually when you get a court date, don't show up cos it isn't in your name and then when the Gards come and take you in, tell them to **** right off and tell the Judge the same when you're in the dock.That should fix it. (You can tell your cellmate with the tatoos and the glint in his eye the same too)

Seriously, it's your "crime" , it's your fine, it's an error....pay up....

seven_eleven

"illegally" ehh?

lurkballs

corktina wrote: »

OP don't pay and eventually when you get a court date, don't show up cos it isn't in your name and then when the Gards come and take you in, tell them to **** right off and tell the Judge the same when you're in the dock.That should fix it. (You can tell your cellmate with the tatoos and the glint in his eye the same too)

Seriously, it's your "crime" , it's your fine, it's an error....pay up....

my error was speeding , their "error" was fining the wrong person
ease up love, if you read the thread you'd see i was paying the fine regardless
it was just a simple question a bit of banter to see what people thought

BlatentCheek

OP, As far as minor typos go I'm pretty sure there's case law allowing warrents to be upheld in similar situations where the other information identifies the person or property adequately so I doubt fixed charge notices are any different.
Going to Court to find out would be expensive unless you go solo, time consuming and probably unsuccessful, leading to a doubled penalty.
No shame in asking though

sonyvision

Not been a smart arse however this happened to a friend

If you speed you risk getting caught however this person was caught speeding and does not speed any more. Received the fine in the post went to pay and realised the name was spelt slightly wrong. Went to the garda station and said "look i was caught speeding the name is wrong on the ticket what do i need to do" because he actually was intending on paying the ticket the superintended said he will sort it out not to worry and heard no more about it. Persuming because of the mistake and the full intention of him been honest about it they didnt follow up on it.....

my guess head to your local station be straight up about it the worse they can say is your paying the 80 euro fine and 2 points...

Even tho that was the worst case any way.

Madam_X

Seedy Arling wrote: »

The fact you produced your licence and the Garda took the name down wrong probably means a judge would throw it out of court if you didnt pay it and let it go to court.

How can you rely on a Garda to operate a speed gun properly if he can't write a name down that is in black and white in front of him?

Probably a case though of really crap handwriting and whoever inputted it to the computer misread it.

What about the vehicle registration and the address? The OP is the registered owner.

Ray Palmer

BlatentCheek wrote: »

OP, As far as minor typos go I'm pretty sure there's case law allowing warrents to be upheld in similar situations where the other information identifies the person or property adequately so I doubt fixed charge notices are any different.
Going to Court to find out would be expensive unless you go solo, time consuming and probably unsuccessful, leading to a doubled penalty.
No shame in asking though

The wrong name on a legal document is not a minor typo. They can't issue the summons in the wrong name and bring you to court. It really is that straight forward. If you turn up they can change the name.

lurkballs

Clumsy Lout wrote: »

Would appear to me that you gave a false name like you were in an episode of Starsky & Hutch or something and are now paying the price.

they used MY licence to obtain MY name yet they are fining another

wonski

Why did you open letter addressed to McCurrity then?

I don't think you will avoid paying the fine. You can try - let us know what name is on the invitation handed by Garda.

HondaSami

lurkballs wrote: »

my error was speeding , their "error" was fining the wrong person
ease up love, if you read the thread you'd see i was paying the fine regardless
it was just a simple question a bit of banter to see what people thought

They did not fine the wrong person, it was an error in the spelling of your name, Does your lic and car reg details have the correct spelling of your name?
The guard would have got the details from here.

lurkballs

HondaSami wrote: »

They did not fine the wrong person, it was an error in the spelling of your name, Does your lic and car reg details have the correct spelling of your name?
The guard would have got the details from here.

yes all have my correct name except the fine

HondaSami

lurkballs wrote: »

yes all have my correct name except the fine

It's just a minor detail, you have 56 days to pay, it's not a summons you got, is it?

pcardin

Seedy Arling wrote: »

How can you rely on a Garda to operate a speed gun properly if he can't write a name down that is in black and white in front of him?

erm...black and pink actually :pac:

lurkballs

HondaSami wrote: »

It's just a minor detail, you have 56 days to pay, it's not a summons you got, is it?

no a fine i have 28 days to pay

BlatentCheek

Ray Palmer wrote: »

The wrong name on a legal document is not a minor typo. They can't issue the summons in the wrong name and bring you to court. It really is that straight forward. If you turn up they can change the name.

From the OPs example (McCarthy vs McCurrity) it's the wrong second name only, spelt in a manner highly suggestive of the proper name, transcribed in error from the OPs licence with correct accompanying license plate and address, and possibly other correct information too. This is IMO a classic case of a typographical error rather than a case of mis-identification of an offender and I wouldn't go to court to argue it if I could simply pay €80 and take 2 points to settle the matter.