Ireland Abandoners - Begrudgery or do they have a point?

P_1

Ok so this page has appeared on Facebook recently:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ireland-Abandoners/265637306896866?fref=ts

To me it looks like somebody venting at those of us who decided that, at the moment, it doesn't make sense to stay in Ireland and is at best, stupid.

What think ye?

orestes

Looks like a very stupid kids project. By which I mean the kid is stupid, not the project, although the project is stupid too which is a happy bonus.

admiralofthefleet

some people have no choice but leave in order to support their families

Sugar Free

pithater1 wrote: »

Ok so this page has appeared on Facebook recently:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ireland-Abandoners/265637306896866?fref=ts

To me it looks like somebody venting at those of us who decided that, at the moment, it doesn't make sense to stay in Ireland and is at best, stupid.

What think ye?

Think the OP in this thread in Politics linked to it before.

Think it's waffle really.

Cavehill Red

Wasn't there another thread promoting this very Facebook group on here only a few minutes ago?

P_1

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Wasn't there another thread promoting this very Facebook group on here only a few minutes ago?

That was in politics, unless I've posted in the wrong forum

Stheno

pithater1 wrote: »

Ok so this page has appeared on Facebook recently:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ireland-Abandoners/265637306896866?fref=ts

To me it looks like somebody venting at those of us who decided that, at the moment, it doesn't make sense to stay in Ireland and is at best, stupid.

What think ye?

all else aside a huge amount of people who go abroad and come back find it enhances their prospects here

Owner of that page is possibly very young and a bit naive.

I work in IT and most of my phone calls to peers, colleagues and friends in the field these days start with "where are you this week" as it's a highly mobile industry

dd972

we must remember it's ONLY Irish traitors who emigrate, so we'll forget about all the English / Germans / Scots / Greeks / Lebanese / Croats / Serbs / Bosnians / Koreans in Australia :rolleyes:

MadsL

I'm an abandoner, can I have my tax back?

No? OK then, spend it on the patriots who stay behind.

You're welcome.

Fromthetrees

Come back on go on the dole abandoners, how, how dare you, bring shame on this celebration of not working. 'Oh look at me, I got a job in a different country with loads of money and I'm having the time of my life', yuck, makes me flupping sick to my inner core.

Well anyway, I'm off to sing A Song For Ireland, drink a pint of plain, do a little jig and bitch about the English just like any decent paddy does.

Pretty funny. Really glad I have better things to think about.

B.A._Baracus

I'm really torn between that page being serious or not. It has a picture of father ted cropped in after all ...

Hippies!

Hilarious

One gimp/genius (can't decide) makes a page and 100's of knobs get their bell ends in a twist over it.

Meanwhile in the real world I got a new kettle, boils faster than my old one too

carlmango11

Jesus whoever made that is seriously naive. Her suggestions as to how we could have fixed the economy sound like they were drawn up by a 12 year old. Actually, thinking about it she probably works in the Dail.

soap1978

Hippies! wrote: »

Hilarious

One gimp/genius (can't decide) makes a page and 100's of knobs get their bell ends in a twist over it.

Meanwhile in the real world I got a new kettle, boils faster than my old one too

was it the one on sale in argos?

nice_very

I've not read through the page, just had a brief look, and while I do understand that people need to leave in order to make a life for themselves, why not stay on here a while and make your voice heard, try to be part of changing things? I dont have any animosity towards people who have to go, I just wish those who stay would be a bit more active.

On a side note, the gaa jersey wearing "I'm Irish" havin a laff in oz tinkin of ye dis xmas drunken photos really annoy me

AngryHippie

On a side note, the gaa jersey wearing "I'm Irish" havin a laff in oz tinkin of ye dis xmas drunken photos really annoy me

They are the ones that will come back too!

Seriously though, this page is retarded. clown who made it obviously can't figure out the savings on welfare of all of those who have left, the money they spend when they visit home, the money they will bring when/if they move home, the skills and experience gained abroad in their careers that they will bring home.

Its an even bigger insult that there is no overseas vote IMHO

TwoShedsJackson

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

some people have no choice but leave in order to support their families

They did have a choice about whether or not to act like a twat on Facebook.

philologos

pithater1 wrote: »

Ok so this page has appeared on Facebook recently:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ireland-Abandoners/265637306896866?fref=ts

To me it looks like somebody venting at those of us who decided that, at the moment, it doesn't make sense to stay in Ireland and is at best, stupid.

What think ye?

There's something similar over on the politics cafe forum also.

smash

People leave for a better life with better opportunities. Simple as that!

Kichote

nice_very wrote: »

On a side note, the gaa jersey wearing "I'm Irish" havin a laff in oz tinkin of ye dis xmas drunken photos really annoy me

you missed the "xoxoxoxo" at the end

Ray Palmer

Some of us lived through the 80s and saw the return of people in the late 90s. Quite irritating to have somebody come back and rabbit on how things were done where they had been. Not uncommon for the returned to not actually know that we have different laws and regulations.

FearDark

There is absolutely no work for me back home, none. I worked all my life but was laid off a year and a half ago. I searched daily for work and got nowhere, one interview in 6 months, moved back in with my parents and claiming jobseekers, it's no life.

Moved to New Zealand almost a year ago, no shortage of work at all, decent money, I have a great life. Miss my family and friends back home, if I had a job I'd be there.

The person who made this facebook page must have a great job. Hundreds of thousands in Ireland don't. Some, like me can get away, some can't and are just jealous....and create facebook hate pages.

Just a massive **** you to the creator of that page.

Ray Palmer

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Some of us lived through the 80s and saw the return of people in the late 90s. Quite irritating to have somebody come back and rabbit on how things were done where they had been. Not uncommon for the returned to not actually know that we have different laws and regulations.

Maybe, just MAYBE they should have been listened to , Ireland might not be in the economic ruin it is in!! Ireland was even more backwards in the 80s than it is today!! Sheesh! You`d swear Ireland was a top performer in the 1980s LOL

Don`t rock the boat attitude eh

I love the way here in Australia you hear "if you know of a better way of doing something do it". Progressive.

nice_very wrote: »

why not stay on here a while and make your voice heard, try to be part of changing things?

Ah but why should we put our lives on hold when we can do well for ourselves elsewhere? Those who wish to stay in Ireland working or otherwise need to make the difference. Give the emigrants a vote and we will gladly help.

nice_very wrote: »

On a side note, the gaa jersey wearing "I'm Irish" havin a laff in oz tinkin of ye dis xmas drunken photos really annoy me

Important point - generally there is a huge difference between the skilled migrants and the working holiday people. Though I do post epic photos of Australia (without GAA jerseys)

Trolling. Ignore it.

Matt_Trakker

If you don't like it report it, if enough people report it, it'll be taken down.

mconigol

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Some of us lived through the 80s and saw the return of people in the late 90s. Quite irritating to have somebody come back and rabbit on how things were done where they had been. Not uncommon for the returned to not actually know that we have different laws and regulations.

Well what the hell else are they supposed to talk about? Should they come back and just pretend that their life between leaving and returning never happened?

shedweller

nice_very wrote: »

I've not read through the page, just had a brief look, and while I do understand that people need to leave in order to make a life for themselves, why not stay on here a while and make your voice heard, try to be part of changing things? I dont have any animosity towards people who have to go, I just wish those who stay would be a bit more active.

Make their voice heard? We haven't been listened to so far! I do agree with your point about us being more active though. There is an awful element of apathy among us.

gobnaitolunacy

So are people supposed to stay at home, on the dole, and wash car windscreens as a sideline?

gobnaitolunacy

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

So are people supposed to stay at home, on the dole, and wash car windscreens as a sideline?

No they can do internships:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82339534#post82339530

every kind on offer to cover all walks of life from general labouring and toilet cleaning to washing cars to internships for Phd graduates.

Stojkovic

Funniest FB page I've seen in a long time.
And all the gob****es taking the bait, most of whom can't spell.
It's no wonder they couldn't get jobs here.

poeticseraphim

I am really getting irritated by the 'you owe Ireland brigade'..and by Ireland they mean them.

Being Irish means different things to different people. I don't like Ireland right now. N offense to nice Irish people. But I am finding it stifling. I feel like a change. There is nothing wrong with that.

And people saying what they find wrong with Ireland in comparison to other countries can be a good thing. People should not be so sensitive.

I think it is jealousy..well not jealousy but dissatisfaction with their own personal lives.

In comparison to other cities Dublin is not all that. It is better than Brussels....which is boring as **** FYI...but it is not a patch on Tokyo which is culturally liberal yet conservative paradoxically interesting and economically exciting . It is not New York r Paris.

Dublin is what it is. What can be REALLY annoying is when Irish people do abroad to somewhere awesome and show no respect or appreciation ,don't learn the language and are determined to find it inferior in a nonplussed cynical way. As if being unimpressed with Tokyo or New York somehow puts Ireland on an equal footing with those places when clearly it is not. There is more to do and the life there is more varied. On the other hand...it is better than Brussels.

But don't get stuck in your Ireland rut. It is closed minded.

I like the Irish countryside and the physical beauty. I love my family and friends and the quality of our air and parts of Dublin. You find good people everywhere not just in Ireland and you find assholes everywhere too. I hate Irish assholes the most ...dunno....they irk me more....they should know better ;-)

smash

poeticseraphim wrote: »

Being Irish means different things to different people.

It means that I was born here and I live here. It doesn't mean that I should enjoy it or have to put up with it and how it's run.

Duggy747

Mate of mine moved to Australia 2 years back after he was constantly fearing for his job as they were laying people off in his company left, right and center.

Landed with a company who recently gave him a $90,000 contract and sponsorship until at least 2016.

He'd a be a fùckin' moron to come back here.

Another friend moved to the UK to study gaming, now works for EA Games on the Need For Speed series.

FearDark

Deleted User wrote: »

No they can do internships:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82339534#post82339530

every kind on offer to cover all walks of life from general labouring and toilet cleaning to washing cars to internships for Phd graduates.

Here go away and get a ****ing grip of yourself. "Internship"... every John Doe taking the absolute PISS out of the unemployment situation at home, the likes of Dunnes Stores offering internships and "jobbridge", with the slight chance you'll get offered a PAID job after six months stacking shelves or cleaning toilets as you say. Is that what you'd like me to do instead of working in my chosen field in a foreign country? Would you prefer me to clean toilets at home for free?

gobnaitolunacy

'Internment' and 'Slavebridge'....stuff that.

Better than nothing, just.

dollypet

That guy is the trolliest troll that ever trolled. Its like he watched The Field, thought the Bull McCabe was only CLASS and went with it.

People stay people leave sure what of it? We couldnt afford to keep that many people. The Gov uses it as a safety valve- they expect it, they count on it- thats more worrying for me.

Not some Bull McCabe wannabe who saw a few tanned f*ckers come home for Christmas and got all jealous.

FearDark

FearDark wrote: »

Here go away and get a ****ing grip of yourself. "Internship"... every John Doe taking the absolute PISS out of the unemployment situation at home, the likes of Dunnes Stores offering internships and "jobbridge", with the slight chance you'll get offered a PAID job after six months stacking shelves or cleaning toilets as you say. Is that what you'd like me to do instead of working in my chosen field in a foreign country? Would you prefer me to clean toilets at home for free?

Yes, anything else is treachery :mad:
Your passport should be taken from you!

gobnaitolunacy

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

'Internment' and 'Slavebridge'....stuff that.

Better than nothing, just.

It is fantastic, it opens up all sorts of doors, provides people with wonderful experience. Fianna Fail and the Greens came out with the WPP1 and 2 scheme then Fine Gael and Labour changed the name to Job bridge. This name changing event made all the difference.

Now the unemployed can help companies earn a profit without having to be paid by the same companies. Up to 20% of a companies payroll can be internships funded by the state. How awesome that you could reduce your payroll costs like this.

The taxpayers are mighty generous bless their souls

Leftist

the kind of seamus who will probs be living at home until he's in his 40s and still barely speaks to his parents. A case of the damp socked, curtains pulled take away addicted wallpaper peeling runny nosed poindextor with zero life ambitions but loves ireland. They make for great trolls.

Lapin

Best fed troll ever !

gracehopper

poeticseraphim wrote: »

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Dublin is what it is. What can be REALLY annoying is when Irish people do abroad to somewhere awesome and show no respect or appreciation ,don't learn the language and are determined to find it inferior in a nonplussed cynical way. As if being unimpressed with Tokyo or New York somehow puts Ireland on an equal footing with those places when clearly it is not. There is more to do and the life there is more varied. On the other hand...it is better than Brussels.

Anyone having disrespect for a particular culture annoys aswell. I certainly don't agree with the dumb facebook page and the associated comments but in the same instance, coming home telling me and everyone that will listen how ****e Ireland is compared to the countries they are working in pisses me off too. Have some respect for your place of origin, don't forget the good trade you got or cheap third level education you got, don't forget that the reason you do well in a foreign country is a lot to do with how you were rared by your family. your personal skills and ability to think on your feet are inherently irish traits. Ireland might well be tough to live in at the moment but be feckin thankful you are Irish while your sitting on bondi beach enjoying yourself.

I would never begrudge a person the opportunity to work and if we can't provide a decent living and good life for our citizens then they should have no conscience about heading elsewhere. god knows we feel feckin guilty enough as a nation without feeling guilty for "abandoning" the country. I've siblings and friends working away for many years myself.

RossFixxxed

You should stay in Ireland and claim the dole. Sure we've loads of cash for that. Maybe you could become homeless and help the country more. There's the suicide option. There's the option of having one or more qualifications but spend your time on an unpaid internship that goes nowhere, making coffee and tea and cleaning toilets.

You could live with your parents and spiral into depression and no self confidence. You can wander the streets with other smart, educated people wondering if you will ever have a future.

You could work a job that pays less than you were on in the 90s, not earning enough to make ends meet every month and put your social life, engagement, finances, and everything else on hold.

Or you could follow an opportunity to do what you like, are good at, are qualified for.

Pathetic begrudging and probably trolling imho. This Irish attitude is just so whiney and always the victim.

(BTW I still live in Ireland).

leggo

It doesn't make sense from the first line: "For those that left the country when she needed you most..." BAM. That's wrong. More people + less jobs = more people on social welfare = more strain on the taxpayers.

We need people to emigrate to balance the budget, simple as. And if they can vastly improve their life in the process...what's the problem, again?

Ray Palmer

blindjustice wrote: »

Maybe, just MAYBE they should have been listened to , Ireland might not be in the economic ruin it is in!! Ireland was even more backwards in the 80s than it is today!! Sheesh! You`d swear Ireland was a top performer in the 1980s LOL

Don`t rock the boat attitude eh

I love the way here in Australia you hear "if you know of a better way of doing something do it". Progressive.
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You do realise that a lot of the people who returned caused many problems. House prices and speculative purchases was a big import. As was many of the risks introduced to our finacial system which was a copy of the UK system.
They didn't know a better way.
My point was that some people would start going on about US, UK, Australian etc... Legislation but not know ours. Then moan how it was ridiculous we had different rules. When your boss complains about Irish employment law saying US is better you can get pretty annoyed. I like more than 2 weeks holidays.
Import a UK system for Irish insurance and completely unaware that it wouldn't complie.
You can bring all the ideas you like but it doesn't mean you know better when you don't know the basics. When I work for a company in a different country I accept I need to learn their rules. Somebody comes back thinking they know better but don't have clue and love to say how we do it wrong.

Kevhog1988

Im one of the ones who emigrated.. My sister emigrated and my younger sister is aiming to emigrate... All the celtic tiger seemed to do to my family is prepare us all to get the boat, The same as all my uncles did in the late 80's. The only difference is now were educated and were not starting off as navvys on the roads of britain, Australia or America. They may say we deserted the country but how was i to stay in a country where there was no job prospects, no quality of life and no sign of things getting any better. I came home for xmas this year and can safely say Ireland is full of "****". I went out new years eve in my local town and had a old school mate stumble up to me and say "you think your great driving around in your new car whilst the left of us are left here on the dole". He lies in bed until 12 maybe 1pm whereas im often not home from work untill 11pm and often back up at 4am to do it all again. The majority of people in this country got too used to the good times and now cant understand how they have to work to make something of themselves. That KPMG girl over the weekend is a prime example!!

Ray Palmer

Ray Palmer wrote: »

You do realise that a lot of the people who returned caused many problems. House prices and speculative purchases was a big import. As was many of the risks introduced to our finacial system which was a copy of the UK system.
They didn't know a better way.
My point was that some people would start going on about US, UK, Australian etc... Legislation but not know ours. Then moan how it was ridiculous we had different rules. When your boss complains about Irish employment law saying US is better you can get pretty annoyed. I like more than 2 weeks holidays.
Import a UK system for Irish insurance and completely unaware that it wouldn't complie.
You can bring all the ideas you like but it doesn't mean you know better when you don't know the basics. When I work for a company in a different country I accept I need to learn their rules. Somebody comes back thinking they know better but don't have clue and love to say how we do it wrong.

It was the immigents! I knew it was them, even when it was the bears I knew it was the them!!!

ejmaztec

Having read some of the comments made by the person who set up the page, I have no doubt that the anonymous individual is a complete moron, or at least someone trying to shift the blame away from the gubberment.

Stojkovic

theemigrant wrote: »

The same as all my uncles did in the late 80's. The only difference is now were educated and were not starting off as navvys on the roads of britain, Australia or America.

You're thinking of the 50's. Most people who emigrated in the 80's were intelligent white collar workers.

I agree with the rest of your post.
You're a bigshot if you offer to buy a round and a tightarse if you don't.

Richard Hillman

"Leaving Ireland when it needs them the most"

A high percentage of these people are trades men and labourers. The reason they had to leave was because the work force doesnt need them. Too much supply and not enough demand etc.

The only options they had were the dole and work once in a blue moon.

UCDVet

People always want to blame someone else for their problems. Most people don't even care if they are blaming the correct people, they just want to blame SOMEONE.

It can be a political party, or a race of people, or immigrants, or whatever else they like.

These people are blaming the 'Abandoners' for their problems. Not enough prosperity, job opportunities, don't earn enough, pay too much taxes, whatever. They're looking for someone to blame. People who have left Ireland and the current problems Ireland face make a great target because, deep down, a lot of people who don't leave are jealous of the people that do (at least in some small way - maybe they'd never dream of leaving for the culture or their family....but they are jealous that those who have left don't have to face the same problems as those who stayed).