Piers Morgan VS. Alex Jones Full Interview on Gun Control - 1/7/13

gibraltar

Aquarius34 wrote: »

No it doesn't. I have family members who have guns, and have never been involved in any criminal offence whatsoever.

That statement is just ridiculous.

Where did I say owning a gun makes anyone a criminal?, please show me.

So you know a few people who own guns and have no problems, well that does not over-rule the fact that the rest of the world exists.

I said that owning a gun makes it far more likely that you will be a victim of gun related crime.

Not ridiculous, 100% true, check for yourself.

Sixtus

FISMA wrote: »

Concisely: you are wrong.

You need to read a bit more. To begin with, read the Federalist Papers - a great insight in to what they were thinking at the time.

There are numerous direct quotes from those that penned and framed the Constitution that directly demonstrate that you are wrong.

Challenge: can you provide a quote from: Hamilton, Mason, Adams, Jefferson, supporting what you said?

Here are some quotes from the framers of the Constitution. Clearly, the people have the right to: keep arms at home AND/OR bear them on their person.

This part of the Constitution was also addressing English Common Law at the time which stated that "Catholics" and "Highlanders" were not allow to keep arms at home. They were not allowed to bear arms on their person. And, they were not allowed to form an armed rebellion.

Cited, sourced, quotes to support my assertions.

• "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
  — George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

• "No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
  -- Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334,[C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950]

• "Whereas civil-rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
  -- Tench Coxe, in Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution

• "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
  -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

• If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
  -- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

• "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms ... "
  -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

• "[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
  --James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46

• "To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws."
  --John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of the United States 475 (1787-1788)

• "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive."
  --Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

• "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
  --Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

• "Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it."
  --Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

• "What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
  -- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356

• "The right of the people to keep and bear ... arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country ..."
  -- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

• "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
  -- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789

• " ... to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
  -- George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380

• " ... but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights ..."
  -- Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist 29

• "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
  -- Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836

• "The great object is, that every man be armed ... Every one who is able may have a gun."
  -- Patrick Henry, Elliot, p.3:386

• "O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone ..."
  -- Patrick Henry, Elliot p. 3:50-53, in Virginia Ratifying Convention demanding a guarantee of the right to bear arms

• "The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them."
  -- Zacharia Johnson, delegate to Virginia Ratifying Convention, Elliot, 3:645-6

• "The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpation of power by rulers. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of the republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally ... enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
  -- Joseph Story, Supreme Court Justice, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, p. 3:746-7, 1833

• "The right [to bear arms] is general. It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. The militia, as has been explained elsewhere, consists of those persons who, under the laws, are liable to the performance of military duty, and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon.... f the right were limited to those enrolled, the purpose of the guarantee might be defeated altogether by the action or the neglect to act of the government it was meant to hold in check. The meaning of the provision undoubtedly is, that the people, from whom the militia must be taken, shall have the right to keep and bear arms, and they need no permission or regulation of law for the purpose. But this enables the government to have a well regulated militia; for to bear arms implies something more than mere keeping; it implies the learning to handle and use them in a way that makes those who keep them ready for their efficient use; in other words, it implies the right to meet for voluntary discipline in arms, observing in so doing the laws of public order."
  -- Thomas M. Cooley, General Principles of Constitutional Law, Third Edition [1898]
  

• "And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress ... to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.... "
  --Samuel Adams

This is the same group of people who valued a Black man as worth 2/3 of "a man".

Times change. The second amendment is not enshrined in stone.

Daithi 1

gibraltar wrote: »

Where did I say owning a gun makes anyone a criminal?, please show me.

So you know a few people who own guns and have no problems, well that does not over-rule the fact that the rest of the world exists.

I said that owning a gun makes it far more likely that you will be a victim of gun related crime.

Not ridiculous, 100% true, check for yourself.

Show us.. Burden of proof and all.

Daithi 1

Jonny7 wrote: »

Aren't you 98 times more likely to die (or kill family member) from/with your own weapon than you are to kill an actual intruder

98 times more likely that what ? 1 in 10 million ?

Daithi 1

gibraltar wrote: »

I would not have a gun as owning one makes it far more likely that you will be a victim of gun related crime.

Does owning a knife make you more likely to be a victim of knife related crime ?

Sixtus

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Show us.. Burden of proof and all.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html

Sixtus

Daithi 1 wrote: »

98 times more likely that what ? 1 in 10 million ?

Maths clearly isn't your strong suit

Daithi 1

Sixtus wrote: »

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html

OH. Carrying a gun ? I thought you said owning a gun.. :pac:

Yeah, I'd imagine a GI is far more likely to die of gun violence than a gun owning farmer...

Daithi 1

Sixtus wrote: »

Maths clearly isn't your strong suit

Reading clearly isn't yours.

Sixtus

Daithi 1 wrote: »

OH. Carrying a gun ? I thought you said owning a gun.. :pac:

Yeah, I'd imagine a GI is far more likely to die of gun violence than a gun owning farmer...

Pedantry. It would be difficult to carry a legally owned fire arm without owning it.

But since you asked.

According to research published in the New England Journal of Medicine, people who have guns at home are 2.7 times more likely to die from homicide and 4.8 times more likely to commit suicide than people in similar homes without guns.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20130107/OPINION03/130109689/0/opinion03/Guns-make-you-deadly-not-safe

Jonny7

Daithi 1 wrote: »

98 times more likely that what ? 1 in 10 million ?

I was getting figures from my head from some documentary I saw years ago

Gun owners 4.2/4.5 times more likely to get killed than non-gun owners
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html

research has shown that a gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a member of the household, or friend, than an intruder.(Arthur Kellermann and Donald Reay. "Protection or Peril? An Analysis of Firearm Related Deaths in the Home." The New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 314, no. 24, June 1986, pp. 1557-60

The gun control argument rages in the States so it's hard to know what stats to believe, but taking suicides out of the equation, guns, as a vehicle to home protection, appear to cause more harm than good.

I used to be a gun owner myself, I'm not anti-guns, but I just think they should be well regulated. If we introduced the same gun laws into Ireland that the US has would you expect to see violent deaths decrease or increase?

I would definitely say increase, as well as violent crime.

Daithi 1

Jonny7 wrote: »

Aren't you 98 times more likely to die (or kill family member) from/with your own weapon than you are to kill an actual intruder

Sixtus wrote: »

Pedantry. It would be difficult to carry a legally owned fire arm without owning it.

But since you asked.

According to research published in the New England Journal of Medicine, people who have guns at home are 2.7 times more likely to die from homicide and 4.8 times more likely to commit suicide than people in similar homes without guns.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20130107/OPINION03/130109689/0/opinion03/Guns-make-you-deadly-not-safe

You both would want to sort out your figures, team huddle, then come back..

Daithi 1

Jonny7 wrote: »

I was getting figures from my head from some documentary I saw years ago

Gun owners 4.2/4.5 times more likely to get killed than non-gun owners
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html

research has shown that a gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a member of the household, or friend, than an intruder.(Arthur Kellermann and Donald Reay. "Protection or Peril? An Analysis of Firearm Related Deaths in the Home." The New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 314, no. 24, June 1986, pp. 1557-60

The gun control argument rages in the States so it's hard to know what stats to believe, but taking suicides out of the equation, guns, as a vehicle to home protection, appear to cause more harm than good.

I used to be a gun owner myself, I'm not anti-guns, but I just think they should be well regulated. If we introduced the same gun laws into Ireland that the US has would you expect to see violent deaths decrease or increase?

I would definitely say increase, as well as violent crime.

Did you watch the video I posted about gun llaws in Oz ?? Look at the stats, people cant defend themselves now.

Also, guns are not the issue, people kill. We discussed this already. Why attack guns when guns are not the issue, it's just silly.

Change drug laws :

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Roberts is the only one that I haven't heard about being on drugs of some kind.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038616_John_Noveske_mysterious_death_car_crash.html#ixzz2HbBNfpWJ

Daithi 1

Sixtus wrote: »

Pedantry. It would be difficult to carry a legally owned fire arm without owning it.

But since you asked.



http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20130107/OPINION03/130109689/0/opinion03/Guns-make-you-deadly-not-safe

Pedantry ?? LOL

WTF are you on about ?

Your giving facts on gun ownership based on gun carrying statistics. I'm lost here....

And Johnny is giving pretty much the same stats as you.. in relation to gun owning..


You

Overall, Branas's study found that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. When the team looked at shootings in which victims had a chance to defend themselves, their odds of getting shot were even higher.

Johnny

Gun owners 4.2/4.5 times more likely to get killed than non-gun owners

gibraltar

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Did you watch the video I posted about gun llaws in Oz ?? Look at the stats, people cant defend themselves now.

Then why has the murder rate dropped if people cant defend themselves?

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Also, guns are not the issue, people kill. We discussed this already. Why attack guns when guns are not the issue, it's just silly.

Change drug laws :

The main problem with your theory that its drugs doing the killing and not guns is that none of the people you mentioned killed anyone with drugs - they used guns. Its a simple concept.

Sixtus

There are millions of Americans on Antidepressants why arent they all engaged in shooting sprees?

Aquarius34

If I want to own a gun, I will.

Who's going to stop me?

Yeah, a police officer with a gun. Will you people wake up! This is not a gun problem it's just an excuse for more control over the masses. If gun ownership is a problem, why do they give soldiers killing machines to kill brown people in other countries?

The brain cells really need to start kicking on this thread.

Sixtus

Aquarius34 wrote: »

If I want to own a gun, I will.

Who's going to stop me?

Yeah, a police officer with a gun. Will you people wake up! This is not a gun problem it's just an excuse for more control over the masses. If gun ownership is a problem, why do they give soldiers killing machines to kill brown people in other countries?

The brain cells really need to start kicking on this thread.

Written without a trace of irony too.

Aquarius34

Sixtus wrote: »

Written without a trace of irony too.

What's your problem?

Daithi 1

40% gun ownership in Switzerland, no massacres and average of 50 gun deaths a year.
Guns arent the problem. People are.

Sixtus

Daithi 1 wrote: »

40% gun ownership in Switzerland, no massacres and average of 50 gun deaths a year.
Guns arent the problem. People are.

And Switzerland has very strictly enforced gun control laws.

Your point?

Daithi 1

I have already found that there are 3.4 million civilian guns.

on my phone now so cant be arsed. Gunpolicy.org i think was the site.

ok here then.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/switzerland

Why are you asking anyway ? Will this make a difference to your thinking ? because there are plent of other Countries with similar stats.

Daithi 1

Sixtus wrote: »

And Switzerland has very strictly enforced gun control laws.

Your point?

Before your edit, didn't you say

"I think you'll find they are not civilian guns"

So, you already know my point.

SoulandForm

If you look at the states with the least gun control you will find that they have the lowest level of gun crime while as states with the strictest gun control have some of the highest rates. Now obviously other factors are involved. Side by side with opposition to gun control should go opposition to standing armies. Rather than having an army separated from the people we should have citizen's militias. This would act as a block against tyranny and Imperialism- as well as military training giving discipline and other virtues to people.

Daithi 1

Piers gets ripped a new asshole again :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJdhAm_oUUs

weisses

Sixtus wrote: »

And Switzerland has very strictly enforced gun control laws.

Your point?

What difference is there in 40% gun ownership with very strictly enforced gun control laws.?
And 40% gun ownership without very strictly enforced gun control laws when planning a killing spree ??


Welcome back btw ... i missed you on the building 7 thread

Sixtus

weisses wrote: »

What difference is there in 40% gun ownership with very strictly enforced gun control laws.?
And 40% gun ownership without very strictly enforced gun control laws when planning a killing spree ??

Because there isn't strictly enforced gun control laws in the US, which is what people want implimented.

For example, control over the carrying of weapons, concealed weapons, purchasing of ammo.

Welcome back btw ... i missed you on the building 7 thread

You weren't contributing anything new to the discussion.

Daithi 1

Sixtus wrote: »

Because there isn't strictly enforced gun control laws in the US, which is what people want implimented.

For example, control over the carrying of weapons, concealed weapons, purchasing of ammo.




You weren't contributing anything new to the discussion.

Just like you in this thread.

which people want it implemented ? Piers Morgan, ? He keeps getting slaughtered in debates. Except for that one with Jonesy.

Jonny7

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Just like you in this thread.

which people want it implemented ? Piers Morgan, ? He keeps getting slaughtered in debates. Except for that one with Jonesy.

It's not a gun ban.. its regulation. It's currently in discussion, something will emerge soon and that will either pass or not pass.

Correct me if I am wrong but the only reason the debate is taking place in here of all places is because many CTers falsely believe that US citizens need powerful firearms to defend against their evil plotting government.

Torakx

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Just like you in this thread.

which people want it implemented ? Piers Morgan, ? He keeps getting slaughtered in debates. Except for that one with Jonesy.

I think the goal here is to make the arguement loud, not reasonable.
You dont always have to win the arguement to get your way.
He needs a platform to pursue that agenda,the interviews are just to keep the arguement going, as long as the fear is pushed into the minds of the masses.