Who bombed London on 7/7?

Neutronale

I dont normally go in for conspiracies but I find this pretty convincing :eek:

Its a documentry by David Shayler a former MI5er, about the 7/7 bombings in Britain and points the finger at MI6 who run agents among such groups and who may have been running MS Khan as an agent and an Al Quida guy called Aswat.

Anyway see what you think...

http://youtu.be/9Giy7AesLis

Jonny7

David Shayler now believes he is the messiah.

Neutronale

Jonny7 wrote: »

David Shayler now believes he is the messiah.

If you were DS and someone put a gun to your head and told you to make out you were JC in order to discredit legitimate questions about 7/7...

What would you do?

Leaving that aside, he raised some interesting questions on the vid, what do you make of Mind the Gap?

Jonny7

Neutronale wrote: »

If you were DS and someone put a gun to your head and told you to make out you were JC in order to discredit legitimate questions about 7/7...

He openly believes he is the Messiah. Enough said.

Leaving that aside, he raised some interesting questions on the vid, what do you make of Mind the Gap?

Don't know how far I made it in, 6 mins maybe? Past all the Blair is evil and Iraq war stuff. Sorry, couldn't last 42 mins.. I am guessing it just goes on to highlight some discrepancies and oddities from the day to cast doubt on the official version of events, then make it's own unsubstaniated claims about who might have been responsible without naming names of contacts, suspects, trainers, coordinators, planning, etc

Neutronale

Jonny7 wrote: »

He openly believes he is the Messiah. Enough said.

As I say, if you were DS and someone put a gun to your head and told you to make out you were JC in order to discredit legitimate questions about 7/7...What would you do?

don't know how far I made it in, 6 mins maybe? Past all the Blair is evil and Iraq war stuff. Sorry, couldn't last 42 mins.. I am guessing it just goes on to highlight some discrepancies and oddities from the day to cast doubt on the official version of events, then make it's own unsubstaniated claims about who might have been responsible without naming names of contacts, suspects, trainers, coordinators, planning, etc

ok, you're not interested no prob.

Jonny7

Neutronale wrote: »

As I say, if you were DS and someone put a gun to your head and told you to make out you were JC in order to discredit legitimate questions about 7/7...What would you do?

Did you just make that up or is it based on evidence?


As far as 7/7 goes, well if someone can come up with a list of names of those involved who orchestrated it, how many and who in government knew, etc.

Neutronale

Jonny7 wrote: »

Did you just make that up or is it based on evidence?

I believe he made some interesting observations and was very eloquent in doing so. Then some years later he makes this crazy claim; I think it's reasonable to ask the questions he did and to investigate the issues. His later claims are a seperate issue and dont imo invalidate his earlier investigation. It's fair to say if MI6 or whoever have something to hide they were only too happy to see DS make his later crazy claim.

As far as 7/7 goes, well if someone can come up with a list of names of those involved who orchestrated it, how many and who in government knew, etc.

There is no point discussing this with someone who is unwilling to look at exhibit "A"...the questions/issues etc are there..

Jonny7

Neutronale wrote: »

There is no point discussing this with someone who is unwilling to look at exhibit "A"...the questions/issues etc are there..

Fair enough. Exhibit A's on this forum are often long videos which are all eerily the same.

If there is an actual list of suspects with their names and substantiated allegations of what they did in this plot.. I am all ears.

It's the standard requirement for the most basic of trials. Several years since 7/7 happened, if there's any case whatsoever for a conspiracy, there should be a consensus including names, dates, details and evidence at the very least.

If that is asking too much, and I have to watch a 40 minute video, then my suspicions are raised.

Regarding David Shayler, yes I was following it when the news broke of his whistle-blowing. However he has had some sort of descent into possible mental illness and definitely paranoia. He claimed that some sort of invisible planes flew into the twin towers.. for ****'s sake. I'm not going to listen to what he has to say about 7/7.

Daithi 1

Here is 7/7 ripple effect 2. Not a lot of people know it exists. Brilliant documentary.

Muad'Dib's latest film about the July 7 2005 London bombings.

After being unlawfully jailed for 157 days based on trumped-up charges, and the BBC making a dedicated hit-piece on the original 7/7 Ripple
Effect, the film-maker Muad'Dib expands upon the original film and has added over 60 minutes of new material connecting the dots of what most
likely really did happen in London on July 7th 2005, when 3 tube-trains and a double-decker bus were exploded.

Watching this film should leave the viewer no doubt that the crimes and murder committed in London were done by other organizations than by
claimed by the official and corporate media.

"I must say, in my opinion this is a masterpiece. In less than an hour, the film explains how this whole event was planned, how it was
staged, what went wrong, how the authorities sought to cover it up and the failure of the press to cover it adequately. I think it is as
marvellous a microcosm for understanding the nature of inside-jobs as anyone has ever produced, so I must congratulate you and tell you how
much I admire your work."

- James H. Fetzer, professor emeritus at the University of Minnesota about the original 7/7 Ripple EFfect.

"It is an example of critical journalism thatdraws wholly on public news sources to formulate a controversial, but plausible, theory. After
deploying three different theories of truth to develop insights into new and existing evidence, it is the BBC / Government theory that has a
lower level of correspondence with known .facts., is incoherent to the point of being implausible, and is more likely to distort its reports
because of institutional controls and political pressures."

- Rory Ridley-Duff Ph.D., senior lecturer in human resource management
and organisation behaviour, Sheffield Hallam University.

After being unlawfully jailed for 157 days based on trumped-up charges, and the BBC making a dedicated hit-piece on the original 7/7 Ripple
Effect, the film-maker Muad'Dib expands upon the original film and has added over 60 minutes of new material connecting the dots of what most
likely really did happen in London on July 7th 2005, when 3 tube-trains and a double-decker bus were exploded.

Watching this film should leave the viewer no doubt that the crimes and murder committed in London were done by other organizations than by
claimed by the official and corporate media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwyzpzEgUWE

asherbassad

Jonny7 wrote: »

David Shayler now believes he is the messiah.

Usual shabby attempt at avoiding critical discussion for fear it might reveal something.

Brown Bomber

Jonny7 wrote: »

Did you just make that up or is it based on evidence?


As far as 7/7 goes, well if someone can come up with a list of names of those involved who orchestrated it, how many and who in government knew, etc.

I've narrowed it down to two suspects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH9y9HU-gQg

&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52zHaO4hdLo

gibraltar

Neutronale wrote: »

If you were DS and someone put a gun to your head and told you to make out you were JC in order to discredit legitimate questions about 7/7...

What would you do?

Leaving that aside, he raised some interesting questions on the vid, what do you make of Mind the Gap?

They put a gun to his head and made him claim he was Christ instead of just shooting him?, why?

maybe this is what he/she actually believes, check out some of his/her claims over the years before posting I suggest.

Brown Bomber

gibraltar wrote: »

They put a gun to his head and made him claim he was Christ instead of just shooting him?, why?
.

If you take a moment to think about it yourself it's really not too hard to figure out.

Daithi 1

Insanity can exist within the rational mind. So just because the feller has some frindge beliefs doesnt mean he cant make perfect sense too.

Here are some examples. Read it then maybe we can discuss the theory and not the theorist.

Is it possible to be too smart? Maybe. History is full of insane geniuses, humans who mentally put the pedal to the metal--and sometimes through the floor.
Here are seven brilliant men who seemingly over-revved the neurological engine, who watched as the gearbox and chassis of their brains flew off onto the roadside...and kept on accelerating.

Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_16559_7-eccentric-geniuses-who-were-clearly-just-insane.html#ixzz2HVlM9JE2


And here....THE TOP 10 CRAZY BASTARDS WHO ACTUALLY CHANGED THE WORLD (FOR THE BETTER)

http://www.spike.com/articles/5xmj4e/the-top-10-crazy-bastards-who-actually-changed-the-world-for-the-better

Jonny7

asherbassad wrote: »

Usual shabby attempt at avoiding critical discussion for fear it might reveal something.

Reveal the details then..

And no, don't point to some hole-poking video. Something tangible.

Jonny7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I've narrowed it down to two suspects.

I'm not joking, that's the best evidence I've seen so far

gibraltar

Brown Bomber wrote: »

If you take a moment to think about it yourself it's really not too hard to figure out.

Honestly it makes no sense,

Optiont A: take someone who most people have no concern for and force them to do something that will draw attention to the very fact that your trying to hide.

or

Option B: do nothing and let an already discredited person continue to talk.

I'd go with B as the best option.

Neutronale

gibraltar wrote: »

They put a gun to his head and made him claim he was Christ instead of just shooting him?, why?

maybe this is what he/she actually believes, check out some of his/her claims over the years before posting I suggest.

If you dont know why they would get him to make a crazy claim rather than murder him...i cant help you :rolleyes:

I knew of his crazy claim ...as I say this does not invalidate his documentary imo...

Neutronale

Jonny7 wrote: »

I'm not joking, that's the best evidence I've seen so far

There's no way round it jonny, I'm afraid you'll have to brave the DS vid...so get the

Neutronale

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Here is 7/7 ripple effect 2. Not a lot of people know it exists. Brilliant documentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwyzpzEgUWE

Great vid, thanx :cool:

Sixtus

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/meet-delores-the-exmi5-officer-now-living-as-a-woman-6801922.html

David now goes by Delores.

As for 7/7 Ripple Effect. It' creator Muad'ib proclaims he's the king of England.

Neither one of them presents a coherent rational argument.

As for their evidence, a friend Rachel North was injured in the bombing and her dealings with David and other 7/7 conspiracy theorists is detailed extensively in Jon Ronson's "The psychopath test". Their theories are spurious nonsense and if you wont come out and raise a rational coherent argument as to why you agree with them, I don't see why I need to bother re watching two idiotic documentaries.

Daithi 1

Sixtus wrote: »

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/meet-delores-the-exmi5-officer-now-living-as-a-woman-6801922.html

David now goes by Delores.

As for 7/7 Ripple Effect. It' creator Muad'ib proclaims he's the king of England.

Neither one of them presents a coherent rational argument.

Ok lads close the thread, that does it. Sixtus has spoken. :rolleyes:

Sixtus

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Ok lads close the thread, that does it. Sixtus has spoken. :rolleyes:

So nothing to add then?

Daithi 1

Sixtus wrote: »

So nothing to add then?

I added about as much as you.

Why don't you pick something from the docu and debunk it to prove your point that there is no "coherent argument".

~Have you watched ripple effect 2 ?

Coz if you aint, your not exactly in a position to make judgement on it. Even when using someone else opinion.

Sixtus

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I added about as much as you.

Why don't you pick something from the docu and debunk it to prove your point that there is no "coherent argument".

Fine. The claim about drills. They were a paper exercise that had no control over any actual emergency services so are completely irrelevant and spurious.

Next?

Daithi 1

Sixtus wrote: »

Fine. The claim about drills. They were a paper exercise that had no control over any actual emergency services so are completely irrelevant and spurious.

Next?

A drill on the same day, in the same places, the exact same scenario that occurred at the same time as the real event. Is spurious ? lol

This is not a coherent argument for foreknowledge ? Do you know the odds on this happening ? Iv'e heard it in the hundreds of millions to one.

This is only 1.5 min.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jInH6VS13YY

Neutronale

Sixtus wrote: »

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/meet-delores-the-exmi5-officer-now-living-as-a-woman-6801922.html

David now goes by Delores.

As for 7/7 Ripple Effect. It' creator Muad'ib proclaims he's the king of England.

Neither one of them presents a coherent rational argument.

As for their evidence, a friend Rachel North was injured in the bombing and her dealings with David and other 7/7 conspiracy theorists is detailed extensively in Jon Ronson's "The psychopath test". Their theories are spurious nonsense and if you wont come out and raise a rational coherent argument as to why you agree with them, I don't see why I need to bother re watching two idiotic documentaries.

Why are you even commenting if you are not interested in viewing the vids which are the very basis for this thread?

Sixtus

Daithi 1 wrote: »

A drill on the same day, in the same places, the exact same scenario that occurred at the same time as the real event. Is spurious ? lol

This is only 1.5 min.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jInH6VS13YY

A drill that was a paper exercise. Had no control of any actual emergency services.

And no it was not at "the same places" because the Drill dealt with attacks on stations no trains.

Sixtus

Neutronale wrote: »

Why are you even commenting if you are not interested in viewing the vids which are the very basis for this thread?

I've already watched them. Why don't you discuss the parts that you think are important or significant. Why should you just get to post link and expect everyone else do all the work?

Daithi 1

Sixtus wrote: »

A drill that was a paper exercise. Had no control of any actual emergency services.

And no it was not at "the same places" because the Drill dealt with attacks on stations no trains.

Excuse me. He said he 1000 people in the city sat down running an exercise almost precisely matched that scenario that occurred. ?

How the fook is that a paper exercize ? :rolleyes:

Sixtus

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=60417868

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=55639337

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=52079307

Three threads that discuss the 7/7 bombings at length on this forum.