Loyalist March - MOD WARNING POST #1

HarrisonLennon

It's on this weekend, no?

If so does anyone intend to head in, to peacefuly show support against their "demands"

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neil_hosey

why bother go in? your only giving that shower of **** what they want!

JosDel

There only intention is to stir **** up with dissident republicans...

seamus

There is no way that any kind of counter-protest will remain peaceful. If you really want to make a point, just don't rise to the bait and stay at home.

If they were to march down streets where nobody seemed to give a crap or which were empty, that would be the biggest blow to their cause. Streets crammed with counter protestors and angry taunts is exactly the reaction they're looking for.

bobin fudge

how is it civil when posters on here have already called them ****?

There are no "demands" It is a light hearted tongue in cheek request that the irish flag is taken down from buildings in dublin to highlight how it is unfair that in Belfast being part of the UK they are not allowed to fly the Union flag.

There are a lot of protestants working and living in Dublin that find this intimidating when they read/hear all the plastic keyboard warriors typing their nonsense on here.

Personally I think it is a pointless protest but each to their own

HarrisonLennon

I can't believe it's been given the go ahead, surely their was some legislation that could have been put into place. We all know why they're coming down. I mean they're still rioting as we speak.

When I lived in London plenty of times the EDL or pro Islam groups were banned from protesting as it was an obvious intention to provoke.

seamus

bobin fudge wrote: »

There are a lot of protestants working and living in Dublin that find this intimidating when they read/hear all the plastic keyboard warriors typing their nonsense on here.

I doubt British protestants living and working in Dublin feel like criticism of sectarian loyalists is in any way an attack on them. Simply sharing the same religion and nationality doesn't make you part of the same group.

HarrisonLennon

bobin fudge wrote: »

how is it civil when posters on here have already called them ****?

There are no "demands" It is a light hearted tongue in cheek request that the irish flag is taken down from buildings in dublin to highlight how it is unfair that in Belfast being part of the UK they are not allowed to fly the Union flag.

There are a lot of protestants working and living in Dublin that find this intimidating when they read/hear all the plastic keyboard warriors typing their nonsense on here.

Personally I think it is a pointless protest but each to their own

"Keyboard warriors" one person said ****. I mean really, come on. Don't be pulling the sympathy cards just yet. I don't think Protestants will be fleeing the republic from that.

People are entitled to they're opinion. As long as its "civil"

bobin fudge

That is very true. However alot of people down here get confused between loyalism and being a protestant. Listening to Adrian Kennedy show last night backs this up 100%

NIMAN

afaik the Tricolour will not be flying on Saturday when they are down, so they are coming to say "well you take your flag down too then ..... oh wait a minute ... it is down... ah well".

spodoinkle

bobin fudge wrote: »

how is it civil when posters on here have already called them ****?

There are no "demands" It is a light hearted tongue in cheek request that the irish flag is taken down from buildings in dublin to highlight how it is unfair that in Belfast being part of the UK they are not allowed to fly the Union flag.

There are a lot of protestants working and living in Dublin that find this intimidating when they read/hear all the plastic keyboard warriors typing their nonsense on here.

Personally I think it is a pointless protest but each to their own

The tricolour isnt flown 365 days a year, their light hearted tongue in cheek request makes no sense.

spodoinkle

Im finding it hard to understand the relevance of it all:

A loyalist group are heading for, in their eyes, a different country to show how they feel in relation to having their flag removed. The Irish Government had no say in the removal of the flag from Belfast City Hall, so what exactly is the point, would they not just head for Palais Bourbon and get a nice wkend away in the process?

MakeEmLaugh

There's no guarantee the march will even happen. As of Sunday, Willie Frazer was still only 'considering' it.

Top loyalist still considering flag protest down south

the_syco

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

There's no guarantee the march will even happen. As of Sunday, Willie Frazer was still only 'considering' it.

Top loyalist still considering flag protest down south

Sounds like he may have copped that the fleg won't be up

JosDel

I could be wrong but listening to him interview on newstalk yesterday I dont recall him using the word 'considering'

He defo said there were 3 bus loads coming down...

Mr Simpson

bobin fudge wrote: »

Im replying to your responses, how is this dragging up things up

Im perfectly calm, why do think otherwise?

Enjoy Saturday

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whatnext

In my opinion this is being organised to get a reaction and take the heat off their own rioting elements, and regrettably I fear they will get one.

I for one will be keeping my distance. I fear that its going to attract the very worst elements of both sides of the "debate"

RoboRat

Best thing to do is either ignore them or if anybody wishes to protest, dress up as clowns and leprechauns and walk alongside them skipping and jumping and having a laugh, therefore making it into a complete farce.

There is absolutely no need for violence.

Glinda

There are lots of protestants living in the Republic. By and large they think the northern protestants are a completely different breed and nothing whatsoever to do with them (and they cringe when the nordies try to claim them as somehow their kindred spirits). They are not British, they are Irish. They do not identify in any way with protestants in the North, most of whom seem to follow a more 'Scottish' brand of protestantism.

Speaking as one, like.

theteal

RoboRat wrote: »

Best thing to do is either ignore them or if anybody wishes to protest, dress up as clowns and leprechauns and walk alongside them skipping and jumping and having a laugh, therefore making it into a complete farce.

There is absolutely no need for violence.

I'm home this weekend for the first time in 6 months and have been planning a day/night in "town" on Saturday for several weeks now. I don't plan on being anywhere near this farce but you know how scobe-ism becomes airborne when there's trouble about so I won't lie that my concern meter is slightly up to it's first notch.

I'm quoting the above as I think it's a quality idea and it would be hilarious if it happened

NIMAN

Glinda wrote: »

There are lots of protestants living in the Republic. By and large they think the northern protestants are a completely different breed and nothing whatsoever to do with them (and they cringe when the nordies try to claim them as somehow their kindred spirits). They are not British, they are Irish. They do not identify in any way with protestants in the North, most of whom seem to follow a more 'Scottish' brand of protestantism.

Speaking as one, like.

A few years back, I listened to 2 Protestants I work with have an argument/debate about the Irish tricolour.

One was born and bred in NI, the other in Donegal.

The NI one (a rather stuck in his ways kinda guy) was arguing that the Union flag was 'the flag' of the Donegal man, and that he was really British. Of course he laughed this off and said that the tricolour was his countrys flag and how he had zero allegiance to the Union Flag, the Queen or anything British. Of course the NI guy could not understand how a Protestant could show allegiance to the evil tricolour (for that is how a flag has become demonised in the North (both flags are seen as something evil btw, something to burn or show no respect to)).

It made for interesting viewing.:D

RoboRat

I'm quoting the above as I think it's a quality idea and it would be hilarious if it happened

Actually, even better would be is everyone dressed up ala Father Ted and Dougal and had their 'Down with this sort of thing' placards... Would make international news for all the right reasons!

Bellerstring

I've no problem with them protesting peacefully down here, it's just that this march will attract scummers from all over Dublin, who haven't got a clue about Northern politics, and no view on any issues, but will just look for an oppertunity to fukk bricks and bottles at ANYONE who happens to be in the vicinity on Saturday.
Perhaps this is the outcome the organisers are looking for and unfortunately and sadly inevitebly, that's what they're going to get.

Lawrence1895

Tough call that is.

Allowing them marching through Dublin gives them a good platform to put themselves in the victim's role, like in 'Why did they put our flag down, we never caused any harm'.

Banning the march could give them the opportunity, to put themselves into the victim's role once again, like in 'first they oppress us in the North, now they oppress us in the South, freedom of speech, ect, pp.

Why not finding a compromise? Let them hold a vigil or something...somewhere in an open field, far away from civilisation

seamus

Or just ignore them. Everyone go about their normal business, RTE don't bother sending any cameras down, don't report it in the papers the next day. That's probably a bit ambitious though. The media love whipping up a good hate frenzy.

It's the orange parades in another guise. A deliberate attempt to incite anger and accomplish nothing. It should be denied the oxygen of publicity.

Yes, I'm aware of the irony of calling for them to be ignored while commenting on the topic

uch

bobin fudge wrote: »

That is very true. However alot of people down here get confused between loyalism and being a protestant. Listening to Adrian Kennedy show last night backs this up 100%

Ah you see here's where you went wrong !

admiralofthefleet

i believe someone like frazier only intends to cause trouble and therefore should be arrested for inciting hatred when he crosses the border.
you only have to look at some of the things he has said to understand his thinking

uch

Bellerstring wrote: »

I've no problem with them protesting peacefully down here, it's just that this march will attract scummers from all over Dublin, who haven't got a clue about Northern politics, and no view on any issues, but will just look for an oppertunity to fukk bricks and bottles at ANYONE who happens to be in the vicinity on Saturday.
Perhaps this is the outcome the organisers are looking for and unfortunately and sadly inevitebly, that's what they're going to get.

Strange as it might sound but "Scummers" as you call them are not solely from Dublin

Lawrence1895

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

i believe someone like frazier only intends to cause trouble and therefore should be arrested for inciting hatred when he crosses the border.
you only have to look at some of the things he has said to understand his thinking

But would that not turn him into a martyr in the eyes of his followers? Don't know, but the usual 'freedom of speech' pops into my mind.

He might be a bit of a nutcase alright, but he is not stupid, imo

Yillan

uch wrote: »

Strange as it might sound but "Scummers" as you call them are not solely from Dublin

He didn't say they were.

The protest in the end will probably have nothing to do with flags. The people who live near me stuck up the tricolour in order to support the Irish team at Euro 2012. The flags remain to this day. These patriots may misread/ not read at all what the protest is going to be about and arrive down at the protest armed with some fightlust, some dutch courage and a few bricks. It gives an angry lower class an opportunity to express their views which is rarely, if ever a good thing. Throw in some religion, some anglophobic history, the return of paramilitary groups, frustration and confusion about the recession, some celtic jerseys and a perceived enemy in Frazer and I think we're primed for something bad.

NIMAN

Why do I get the feeling it will all pass off peacefully and it we will all have been worrying for nothing?

If the Guards shepherd the protestors well, and keep any locals well back, then it should go without a hitch.;)

R P McMurphy

Lars1916 wrote: »

But would that not turn him into a martyr in the eyes of his followers? Don't know, but the usual 'freedom of speech' pops into my mind.

He might be a bit of a nutcase alright, but he is not stupid, imo

I have to take exception to that. A quick search and it turns up the most idiotic statements. The man is a complete idiot. He cant open his mouth without contradicting himself. He cant articulate even the most basic premise of what he is trying to achieve as he is winging it. The only worry is that he has support from those that are even more deluded than himself and could actually end up in the political spehere making a nusience of himself on an established platform

Bellerstring

uch wrote: »

Strange as it might sound but "Scummers" as you call them are not solely from Dublin

Ah yes, but the protest is solely in Dublin and will by and large attract a shower of oppertunistic scummers from Dublin.:(

Lawrence1895

R P McMurphy wrote: »

I have to take exception to that. A quick search and it turns up the most idiotic statements. The man is a complete idiot. He cant open his mouth without contradicting himself. He cant articulate even the most basic premise of what he is trying to achieve as he is winging it. The only worry is that he has support from those that are even more deluded than himself and could actually end up in the political spehere making a nusience of himself on an established platform

I guess, you a right there, but still...for those, who don't have a deep insight into the whole topic, he appears to be sort of clever, when he appears on the telly, a bit whiny alright, but clever in terms of not ranting like an idiot, winding up his followers with 'No surrender' and other famous quotes

Busted Flat.

Could we get the chippers to fly the Italian flag over their shops on Saturday, that would surely drive Frazer over the edge.

P_1

Like many others I'd say Frazer is bringing this protest down in the hope that it will provoke the same kind of incident that happened the last time he tried having a protest in Dublin.

Now I think it would be great if it was greeted with a counter protest that would serve to ridicule him for his stupid idea (the 'Careful Now Down With That Sort of Thing' idea sounds great), but sadly I fear that there are certain members of Dublin's population who wouldn't have quite as good an appreciation for irony as I do and who would give Frazer exactly what he wants (i.e. Love Ulster mk2).

Another concern would be that Frazer mightn't exactly appreciate having the piss ripped out of him in such a manner and that we get violence instigated by the Loyalist protesters.

Quin_Dub

The thing I don't get about this whole protest - and indeed the media coverage of it, is that the changes voted in by Belfast City council simply bring City Hall into line with EVERY other public building in the UK as regards the flying of the flag..

Belfast city hall was the only building to fly the flag every day and the changes will simply mean that they fly the flag on the same number of days (and most likely the exact same days) as every other building in the UK.

So they will have their flag just as often as every other building , not just in NI but everywhere else..

I only discovered this in a piece in the newspaper the other day as all the media coverage gives the impression that the changes are uniquely a sop to republicans in Belfast when that's not the case at all..

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P_1

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The thing I don't get about this whole protest - and indeed the media coverage of it, is that the changes voted in by Belfast City council simply bring City Hall into line with EVERY other public building in the UK as regards the flying of the flag..

Belfast city hall was the only building to fly the flag every day and the changes will simply mean that they fly the flag on the same number of days (and most likely the exact same days) as every other building in the UK.

So they will have their flag just as often as every other building , not just in NI but everywhere else..

I only discovered this in a piece in the newspaper the other day as all the media coverage gives the impression that the changes are uniquely a sop to republicans in Belfast when that's not the case at all..

It's almost the same as the rest of the UK, it seems in that in the UK you have to fly a 'National' flag over your public buildings every day. Now it seems that a 'National' flag can be one of the Union Jack, the English flag, the Scottish flag or the Welsh flag.

So in London you can fly the Union Jack or the English flag.
In Edinburgh you can fly the Union Jack or the Scottish flag.
In Cardiff you can fly the Union Jack or the Welsh flag.
But in Belfast you can only fly the Union Jack.

goz83

My best friend is exactly the type to be wound up by this sort of protest, but not the sort to throw bricks at protesters. In his eyes, if we do nothing and ignore them; we will be seen as cowards. I don't get this way of thinking. Bizarre.

Duiske

NIMAN wrote: »

Why do I get the feeling it will all pass off peacefully and it we will all have been worrying for nothing?

He won't turn up. This guy is the Walter Mitty of loyalism, and is a laughing stock within the community he claims to represent. He is also the guy who last year claimed on his facebook page that a Catholic primary school in the North was the headquarters of IRA youth, and that the kids were probably being trained in the use of weapons. He based his claim on the "fact" that there was a tri-colour flying at the school. It turned out the flag was in fact the Italian flag, put up the celebrate a visit from Italian children.
To much of this guy's idiocy to go through, but much of it is here.

Quin_Dub

pithater1 wrote: »

It's almost the same as the rest of the UK, it seems in that in the UK you have to fly a 'National' flag over your public buildings every day. Now it seems that a 'National' flag can be one of the Union Jack, the English flag, the Scottish flag or the Welsh flag.

So in London you can fly the Union Jack or the English flag.
In Edinburgh you can fly the Union Jack or the Scottish flag.
In Cardiff you can fly the Union Jack or the Welsh flag.
But in Belfast you can only fly the Union Jack.

Thanks for the clarification... So the choices in NI would be the Union flag or possibly the Cross of St Patrick (which is the "Irish" component of the Union flag)?

What do the NI soccer team use?

Gavin "shels"

spodoinkle wrote: »

Im finding it hard to understand the relevance of it all:

A loyalist group are heading for, in their eyes, a different country to show how they feel in relation to having their flag removed. The Irish Government had no say in the removal of the flag from Belfast City Hall, so what exactly is the point, would they not just head for Palais Bourbon and get a nice wkend away in the process?

Don't question Willie Frazer and his ideas, he's a modern day genius! :rolleyes:

Undercover

Bellerstring wrote: »

Ah yes, but the protest is solely in Dublin and will by and large attract a shower of oppertunistic scummers from Dublin.:(

For the record I would imagine that, just like the Love Ulster march, this will attract a shower of opportunistic scummers from all over the island. The court reports following the 2006 incident highlighted that this was certainly the case then, they were not just from the fair city.

P_1

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Thanks for the clarification... So the choices in NI would be the Union flag or possibly the Cross of St Patrick (which is the "Irish" component of the Union flag)?

As things stand, its the Union Jack or nothing. Have a read through this if ye get a chance:
http://www.flaginstitute.org/pdfs/Flying_Flags_in_the_United_Kingdom.pdf

What do the NI soccer team use?

AFAIK they use this one
http://www.flags.net/NOIR.htm

NIMAN

Hate to sound cruel, but on that interview with Miriam he came across as a little bit slow. Compare how he debated with Naomi Long's input. Night and day.

He will definitely show up in Dublin, he is thran enough. Hopefully he won't bring those who feel the need to cover their faces with Rangers scarves with him.

[Jackass]

Bearing in mind that the above occured when there was a planned peaceful march by unionists in the city, I would be amazed if the Government / Gardai didn't send a clear message that any protest in the South of Ireland relating to democratic decisions made by a city council outside of the states jurisdiction will be met with immediate arrest and /or disbursment on the grounds that it is not relevant to any Republic of Ireland activities and it is likely to incite violence and civil unrest.

State the warning and follow through should any attempt at a protest be made.

Take the power away from the attempts to make the Republicans / Irish look bad by dragging them in and have pictures of them being violent on the news, and instead have a national police force arresting more unionist trouble makers for not obeying the law.

Sindri

Willie Frazer is an idiot. I hope one day he realizes this. It will amuse me.

Jay D

Having seen what's gone on in recent days I don't know who the hell thought it was a good idea allowing these people opportunity down here.

I won't be going. I hope the local scum don't use this as a cover to rob and stuff. Anyone with half a brain will completely ignore this, completely. Even replying to this thread i have gone against that

bobin fudge

It could take somthing like this for all hell to break out and have nothing to do with loyalism/republicanism. With all the years of hardships with the austerity budgets, people losing jobs, no money etc all it takes is one or two to start somthing on saturday and it develops into a massive riot similar to greece, spain etc. Im amazed it hasnt happened already, amazed but its also a positive reflection on the irish people as a whole for not going down this path so far.

NIMAN

Its been cancelled.