Sick and tired of Bus Éireann

twinkylinky

honestly. im sick and tired of bus eireann fare rate. it inreases every year. it has totally gotten out of hand now. a single from dublin to navan is nearly €12..i was shocked. i remember when i used to pay €8 for a single. a return is expensive too, not to even mention the weekly ticket. they should try and accommodate their customers financially, i think we hve accommodated them enough now.. this is sickening. when i hear dublin people complaining about dublin bus fare i just

Dravokivich

People complain in Dublin because the fares increase every year here too. Per journey costs you significantly more due to the length of it. Doesn't make the complaints from people travelling within Dublin any less a concern if fares are an issue for them.

schemingbohemia

Have you looked at getting a www.taxsaver.ie ticket?

Hilly Bill

twinkylinky wrote: »

honestly. im sick and tired of bus eireann fare rate. it inreases every year. it has totally gotten out of hand now. a single from dublin to navan is nearly €12..i was shocked. i remember when i used to pay €8 for a single. a return is expensive too, not to even mention the weekly ticket. they should try and accommodate their customers financially, i think we hve accommodated them enough now.. this is sickening. when i hear dublin people complaining about dublin bus fare i just

€12 from Dublin to Navan? whats wrong with that? where else will you get a journey of that length at that price?

Cookie_Monster

sure it's only a 46km cycle, you'd save a fortune and it's only take you 2.5 hours each way.

or drive and pay fuel and maint and parking and tax and insurance, that's almost definitly going to be cheaper too.

n97 mini

It does sound expensive when you consider it's only €12 Cork to Dublin.

Is there any competition on the Navan route?

devnull

n97 mini wrote: »

It does sound expensive when you consider it's only €12 Cork to Dublin.

Is there any competition on the Navan route?

€9 with Aircoach, so even cheaper

Don't thin there is anything on the Navan route but I could be wrong.

monkeypants

Or cycle some of the way and bus the rest. Any other option such as a car or a bike will require investment up front and won't save you anything.

Dravokivich

Dravokivich wrote: »

People complain in Dublin because the fares increase every year here too. Per journey costs you significantly more due to the length of it. Doesn't make the complaints from people travelling within Dublin any less a concern if fares are an issue for them.

Exactly. I remember that the 1-3 stage fare was €1 in 2007. It's now €1.65; a 65% increase in 5-6 years.

devnull

I remember it being 90c in 2006

devnull

devnull wrote: »

I remember it being 90c in 2006

Ah, I didn't live in Dublin then.

LXFlyer

Karsini wrote: »

Exactly. I remember that the 1-3 stage fare was €1 in 2007. It's now €1.65; a 65% increase in 5-6 years.

Why do you and others persist in quoting the cash fares, when the relevant fare is that using a LEAP card.

Cash fares were increased quite deliberately at a higher rate than LEAP fares in order to incentivise people to use LEAP.

The relevant fare is €1.40 and not €1.65.

LXFlyer

devnull wrote: »

€9 with Aircoach, so even cheaper

Don't thin there is anything on the Navan route but I could be wrong.

Sillan Tours operate a limited commuter service (4 services per day) between Cootehill and Dublin that serves Navan and other places en route.

Fare is €8 single, €14 return and €50 10 Journey.

However I'd make the point that Navan has a far better bus service from Bus Eireann in terms of frequency than it used to have (effectively every 30 minutes 7 days a week, with peak extras), which is going to cost more to provide - there would be an element of cross-subsidisation as many of these would have lower loadings than others.

ANXIOUS

The thing that annoys me most is that you can't use return tickets the same way.

lxflyer

lxflyer wrote: »

Why do you and others persist in quoting the cash fares, when the relevant fare is that using a LEAP card.

Cash fares were increased quite deliberately at a higher rate than LEAP fares in order to incentivise people to use LEAP.

The relevant fare is €1.40 and not €1.65.

You must be mixing me up for someone else; I'm usually siding with you here. This is the first time I've mentioned it in such a context.

LXFlyer

Karsini wrote: »

You must be mixing me up for someone else; I'm usually siding with you here. This is the first time I've mentioned it in such a context.

Fair enough - the context of my post was that people who are complaining about the fare increases virtually all quote the increased cash fares rather than the appropriate LEAP fare.

The LEAP fare is now the appropriate fare to quote as cash fares have been (to a degree) artificially increased.

n97 mini

lxflyer wrote: »

Sillan Tours operate a limited commuter service (4 services per day) between Cootehill and Dublin that serves Navan and other places en route.

Fare is €8 single, €14 return and €50 10 Journey.

However I'd make the point that Navan has a far better bus service from Bus Eireann in terms of frequency than it used to have (effectively every 30 minutes 7 days a week, with peak extras), which is going to cost more to provide - there would be an element of cross-subsidisation as many of these would have lower loadings than others.

Do Bus Éireann receive a state subsidy?

With a level of service that frequent it could be argued BÉ has the route pretty much saturated.

schemingbohemia

n97 mini wrote: »

Do Bus Éireann receive a state subsidy?

With a level of service that frequent it could be argued BÉ has the route pretty much saturated.

They can't win, provide a good frequent service and they're accused of saturating a route?

Is the Navan service a subsidised service or an expressway?

With a taxsaver ticket and presuming a 48 week working year the OP could be paying either €25.14 a week or €36.14 a week depending on tax band. That is great value - €2.50 each way from Navan.

LXFlyer

Navan is a PSO route - route 109.

The NTA would approve the timetable.

foggy_lad

lxflyer wrote: »

Fair enough - the context of my post was that people who are complaining about the fare increases virtually all quote the increased cash fares rather than the appropriate LEAP fare.

The LEAP fare is now the appropriate fare to quote as cash fares have been (to a degree) artificially increased.

Most people going to the driver on buses and at IR tvm's still pay cash so that is the relevant and appropriate fare to quote.

Dravokivich

Ease those twisting knickers, both cash and leap fares are relevant, but depend on circumstances.

Just because Leap is cheaper does not mean it should be considered the defacto rate for all Dublinbus users.

LXFlyer

foggy_lad wrote: »

Most people going to the driver on buses and at IR tvm's still pay cash so that is the relevant and appropriate fare to quote.

OK wonderful thinking there.

You compare a fare at one point in time with another that had had artificial increases built into it??

As usual your logic is rubbish. It is irrelevant that people are not bothering to avail of the lower fares - that's their choice.

But to suggest that you do not compare a fare from several years back with the cheapest available now is up there with all the rest of the uninformed nonsense that forms the bulk of your posts on this board.

LXFlyer

Dravokivich wrote: »

Ease those twisting knickers, both cash and leap fares are relevant, but depend on circumstances.

Just because Leap is cheaper does not mean it should be considered the defacto rate for all Dublinbus users.

Why not?

As I've pointed out the cash fares have been deliberately increased by the NTA at a higher percentage rate than LEAP to incentivise people to switch.

You are not comparing like with like and it's like comparing a sale price in a shop from a few years ago with a pre-sale price this year.

foggy_lad

lxflyer wrote: »

OK wonderful thinking there.

You compare a fare at one point in time with another that had had artificial increases built into it??

As usual your logic is rubbish. It is irrelevant that people are not bothering to avail of the lower fares - that's their choice.

But to suggest that you do not compare a fare from several years back with the cheapest available now is up there with all the rest of the uninformed nonsense that forms the bulk of your posts on this board.

It is an increase in the fare and should be compared regardless of the reasons for it.

LXFlyer

foggy_lad wrote: »

It is an increase in the fare and should be compared regardless of the reasons for it.

That sort of thinking just frankly proves how irrelevant your posts are on this board - utter nonsense.

LivelineDipso

devnull wrote: »

I remember it being 90c in 2006

Well you were warned that if privatisation came to CIE it would result is huge fare increases and reduction in services.

Oh wait...

foggy_lad

lxflyer wrote: »

That sort of thinking just frankly proves how irrelevant your posts are on this board - utter nonsense.

So the fares have been increased but you chose to ignore those increases because they make the CIE group look bad and instead you sanitise the increases by saying that Leap fares are the only ones being compared now and they have not increased as much.

This looks like more of the creative accounting which bus éireann engage in.

AlekSmart

Dravokivich wrote: »

Ease those twisting knickers, both cash and leap fares are relevant, but depend on circumstances.

Just because Leap is cheaper does not mean it should be considered the defacto rate for all Dublinbus users.

Well...IF the introduction of the Integrated Ticketing Scheme had been professionally and competently handled to begin with,then yes,the Leapcard Fare would be the dei-facto fare.

However,it was'nt and as a result we have to endure debate such as this... c.€40 Million and 13 years later....sheesh...:o

JustAddWater

lxflyer wrote: »

You are not comparing like with like and it's like comparing a sale price in a shop from a few years ago with a pre-sale price this year.

We're not comparing like for like?

Cash fare 2006 vs cash fare 2013

Please enlighten us as to how you came up with that one? Couldn't be any more alike

You want to compare a cash fare against a discounted travel card

It's you who's got a basket of oranges...

LXFlyer

No I don't. LEAP is not discounted - the cash fare is inflated. There is a difference. The likelihood is that cash fares will continue to increase in future years at an increased % rate as they did this year when compared with LEAP fare increases.

The relevant cost for non-prepaid travel in Dublin is the LEAP fare and people need to get that into their heads.

STForSale

lxflyer wrote: »

No I don't. LEAP is not discounted - the cash fare is inflated. There is a difference. The likelihood is that cash fares will continue to increase in future years at an increased % rate as they did this year when compared with LEAP fare increases.

The relevant cost for non-prepaid travel in Dublin is the LEAP fare and people need to get that into their heads.

Have BE even rolled out leap cards?
The service I use certainly doesn't accept it.
Bit unfair to say the leap price is the standard when it is not even available on all routes.