Aliens

Squeaky the Squirrel

So whats the big secret here? What don't the powers that be just admit that we are not alone?

Seriously, after a week we'd be back bitchin' about the price of Petrol/Valentines day or whatever...

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/15yqjd/iama_air_traffic_controller_working_at_a_radar/?limit=500

ASTRONAUTS

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth."

— Colonel Gordon Cooper, Mercury & Gemini Astronaut

"I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real. It has been covered up by governments for quite some time now."

— Captain Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut

"...I've been asked [about UFOs] and I've said publicly I thought they [UFOs] were somebody else, some other civilization."

— Astronaut Eugene Cernan, Apollo 17 Commander

"Mission control, we have a UFO pacing our position, request instructions."

— Astronaut Cady Coleman

"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. [...] It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."

— Captain Donald Slayton, Mercury Astronaut

"Statistically it's a certainty there are hugely advanced civilizations, intelligence, life forms out there. I believe they're so advanced they're even doing interstellar travel. I believe it's possible they even came here."

— Dr. Storey Musgrave, NASA Astronaut

"For nearly 50 years, the secrecy apparatus within the United States Government has kept from the public UFO and alien contact information." "We have contact with alien cultures."

— Astronaut Dr. Brian O'Leary

"In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!"

— Charles J. Camarda (Ph.D.), NASA Astronaut

"It followed us during half of our orbit. We observed it on the light side, and when we entered the shadow side, it disappeared completely. It was an engineered structure, made from some type of metal, approximately 40 meters long with inner hulls. The object was narrow here and wider here, and inside there were openings. Some places had projections like small wings. The object stayed very close to us. We photographed it, and our photos showed it to be 23 to 28 meters away.
[...] Many cosmonauts have seen phenomena which are far beyond the experiences of earthmen. For ten years I never spoke on such things. [...] It only flew straight, but then a kind of explosion happened, very beautiful to watch, of golden light. This was the first part. Then, one or two seconds later, a second explosion followed somewhere else and two spheres appeared, golden and very beautiful. After this explosion I just saw white smoke, then a cloud-like sphere."

— Cosmonaut Victor Afanasyev
NASA, CIA, ARMY, AIR FORCE ETC

"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is..." (1)
"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." (2)

— Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, first Director of the CIA, 1947-1950

"When the long awaited solution to the UFO problem comes, I believe that it will prove to be not merely the next small step in the march of science, but a mighty and totally unexpected quantum leap" (1)

"We had a job to do, wether right or wrong, to keep the public from getting excited." (2)

— Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Scientific consultant for Air Force Project Blue Book

"Of course UFOs are real, and they are interplanetary. The cumulative evidence for the existence of UFOs is quite overwhelming and I accept the fact of their existence."

— Air Chief Marshall Lord Hugh Dowding, Commanding Officer of the Royal Air Force during WWII

"Flying saucers are real. Too many good men have seen them, that don't have hallucinations."

— Captain Eddie Rickenbacker, "American Ace of Aces", medal of honor-winning commander of the 94th Aero Pursuit Squadron in WWI

"Let there be no doubt. Alien technology harvested from the infamous saucer crash in Roswell, N.Mex., in July 1947 led directly to the development of the integrated circuit chip, laser and fibre optic technologies, particle beams, electromagnetic propulsion systems, depleted uranium projectiles, stealth capabilities, and many others.
How do I know? I was in charge! I think the kids on this planet are wise to the truth, and I think we ought to give it to them. I think they deserve it."

— Colonel Philip Corso, Former head of the Foreign Technology Desk for United States Army Research and Development, National Security Council member, Eisenhower Administration.

"We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the La case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."

— J. Edgar Hoover, first Director of the FBI

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity... anything you can imagine we already know how to do."

— Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works

"This 'flying saucer' situation is not at all imaginary or seeing too much in some natural phenomena. Something is really flying around. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious."

— General Nathan Twining, US Air Force, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 1955-1958

"Unidentified Flying Objects are entering our atmosphere at very high speeds and obviously under intelligent control. We must solve this riddle without delay."

— Rear Admiral Delmar Fahrney, USNR

"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets".

— General Douglas MacArthur

"The Air Force had put out a secret order for its pilots to capture UFOs. For the last six months we have been working with a congressional committee investigating official secrecy concerning proof that UFOs are real machines under intelligent control."

— Marine Corps Major Donald E. Keyhoe

"...I made an effort to find out what was in the building at Wright Patterson Air Force Base where the information is stored that has been collected by the Air Force, and I was understandably denied this request. It is still classified above top secret."

— Senator Barry Goldwater

"The evidence that there are objects which have been seen in our atmosphere, and even on terra firma, that cannot be accounted for either as man-made objects or as any physical force or effect known to our scientists, seems to me to be overwhelming. A very large number of sightings have been vouched for by persons whose credentials seem to me unimpeachable.
It is striking that so many have been trained observers, such as police officers and airline or military pilots. Their observations have in many instances have been supported either by technical means such as radar or, even more convincingly, by interference with electrical apparatus of one sort or another."

— Baron Hill Norton, former British Chief of Defense Staff, Chairman, Military Committee of NATO, 1974-77
ROCKET SCIENTISTS & PHYSICISTS

"It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are space ships from another solar system. There is no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary craft of some sort. I and my colleagues are confident that they do not originate in our solar system."

— Dr. Hermann Oberth, the "father of modern rocketry"

"I am completely convinced that UFOs have an out-of-world basis."

— Dr. Walther Riedel, chief designer and research director at the German rocket center in Peenemunde

"The least improbable explanation is that these things are artificial and controlled... My opinion for some time has been that they have an extraterrestrial origin."

— Dr. Maurice Biot, leading aerodynamicists and mathematical physicist

"Of course it is possible that UFOs really do contain aliens as many people believe, and the government is hushing it up. I wouldn't like to comment on that."

— Professor Stephen Hawking

"Yes - most likely they are out there, perhaps even visted, perhaps on our moon."

— Professor Michio Kaku

"The possibility of reduced-time interstellar travel either by advanced extraterrestrial civilizations at present or ourselves in the future, is not fundamentally constrained by physical principles."

— Dr. Harold Puthoff, Director, Institute for advanced studies at Austin, Author of fundamentals of Quantum Electronics
SOVIET / U.S. PRESIDENTS

"The phenomenon of UFOs is real. I know that there are scientific organisations which study the problem. It must be treated seriously."

— Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev

"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth."

— President Harry S. Truman

"I'm not at liberty to discuss the governments knowledge of extraterrestrial UFO's at this time. I am still personally being briefed on the subject!"

— President Richard M. Nixon

"...I strongly recomment that there be a committee investigation of the UFO phenomena. I think we owe it to the people to establish credibility regarding UFOs and to produce the greatest possible enlightenment on this subject."

— President Gerald Ford

"I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said, have you ever seen anything like that? He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light. We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it." (1)
"I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside of this world." (2)

— President Ronald Reagan

"I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs. It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the moon. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing's for sure I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky. If I become President, I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public and the scientists."

— President Jimmy Carter
MEDIA REPORTING

• Reuters - U.S. nuclear weapons have been compromised by UFOs
• BBC - National archives show Churchill ordered UFO-coverup

PRESS CONFERENCES

• The Disclosure Project - Includes army pilots, generals, police, officers and highly-ranked government officials from all over the world speaking out.
• UFOs Disabling Nuclear Weapons in Bases - Former Air Force officers go public with UFO experiences, and how nuclear weapons have been disabled by them

OFFICIAL FBI FILES

• View Image Source on page 22 vault.fbi.gov (Page 57-58 is interesting as well)
• Another interesting file from FBI: vault.fbi.gov mentioning 3 feet tall beings.
• Also interesting: View Image
  The Director noted on the referenced memorandum, "I would do it but before agreeing to it we must insist upon full access to discs recovered. For instance in the La. {Los Alamos...?} case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination"

So, does this mean that the army found a flying saucer and withheld it from other interested official agencies - in this case the FBI - who wished to analyse it?
During WW2 these crafts were known as "Foo Fighters" and were a rather common sight.

gbee

The first moon landing was dogged by them too, the LEM nearly crashed into one.

Squeaky the Squirrel

gbee wrote: »

The first moon landing was dogged by them too, the LEM nearly crashed into one.

They're fecking everywhere.

monkeysnapper

I've always believed in ufo and aliens and everyone I know looks at me like I'm crazy . My own wife will say why are you watching that documentry about ufos , then proceed to watch coronation street .

The best documentry I saw n a long time was " I know what I saw "

I will say the the program on discovery " chasing ufos " was terrible

I've been thinking about this a lot lately, aliens if they are here must be peacefull ,I mean as far as we know they've been coming here for over a hundreds if not thousands of years and they haven't made themselves public.

I also believe they were the ones that planted us here. How come all the animals that are on this planet , and were by far the most intelligent .

Well that's open to personal opinion .

gbee

As we are a fairly young habitable planet, the chances of advanced civilisations having formed million of years before us is almost a given.

Seeing as we should perhaps be another 5,000 years more advanced than we are due to religion of all kinds, we may be even more susceptible to Alien advances than a comparable species should be.

Also our world was destroyed, delaying our arrival for billions of year after potential, perhaps; and then the long wait to become the dominant species on our own planet.

There is well enough time for us to have missed the boat too, our elderly neighbours may well be extinct, but their machines and clones live on.

gbee

gbee wrote: »

The first moon landing was dogged by them too, the LEM nearly crashed into one.

That's entirely untrue and comes from an out of context quote from Buzz Aldrin, much like how most of the quotes in the OP are out of context and/or made up.

Squeaky the Squirrel

King Mob wrote: »

That's entirely untrue and comes from an out of context quote from Buzz Aldrin, much like how most of the quotes in the OP are out of context and/or made up.

Nay, none of that. This is about why the cover up, not are they out there.

seannash

I think most people who believe in the theory of evolution would be more than open to the idea that life has managed to develope on other planets,however the question of them visiting us what most people have issues with

Squeaky the Squirrel

Squeaky the Squirrel wrote: »

Nay, none of that. This is about why the cover up, not are they out there.

But my point is that there's no reason to assume there is a cover up when most of the above quotes aren't quotes.

gbee

seannash wrote: »

I think most people who believe in the theory of evolution would be more than open to the idea that life has managed to develope on other planets,however the question of them visiting us what most people have issues with

They would most probably send probes to any planet exhibiting a magnetic field like ours, we stand out among planets like a beacon, whereas most planet are invisible and need stealthy techniques to detect them.

teddy_irish

Take a beer, sit back and meet the aliens on the Moon. This is not a joke or some kind of fake movie. Watch and listen.

teddy_irish

And speaking about the Moon - it is full of colors! Who tolds us that the Moon is a grey planet? Have you ever stared at the Moon? This movie was deleted from Youtube but I found it uploaded by somebody else. You will see strange huge artificial structures, spaceships and traces left by somebody but not a human. You will see the Moon in its real magnificant colors! Give it a watch, it will make you think brightly.

Tzar Chasm

gbee wrote: »

They would most probably send probes to any planet exhibiting a magnetic field like ours, we stand out among planets like a beacon, whereas most planet are invisible and need stealthy techniques to detect them.

add to that the fact that we are broadcasting radio signals for the last 100 years and realize that we stand out like dogsballs

there are a few planets/moons with magnetic fields

Torakx

religion 2.0

gbee

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

there are a few planets/moons with magnetic fields

Do you know the significance of the magnetic field?

Tzar Chasm

yeah the magnetic field works like a shield, it diminishes the effects of solar radiation and other nasty things that would destroy our atmosphere, handy thing, almost as important as liquid water as far as a planets ability to support life goes.

teddy_irish

gbee wrote: »

Do you know the significance of the magnetic field?

If one understands the essence of creation, the way we do, then one understands that the life and the intelligence is not the exclusivity of the blue planet in this universe.

Even there are different levels of lives on this planet which are not visible to man, as man has a limited range of detection tools, which are simple and primitive, like his eyes and touch.

life takes shape and form in different Magravs strength combinations in the soup of Magravs of the universe and as long as conservation system which is something like amino acid chain the same as of the human can be created and maintained, then life and intelligence is created anywhere in the universe.

Men are not the only creatures of the universe.

Men are somewhere at the bottom of universal scale of intelligence and managing to sustain life in the overall universal family structure.

Man has a very short life span compared to the others in the universe as he is dependent on his physicality of his present body structure.

When, man understands that he can live without the need for physicality as others do in the universe, then man enters a new dimension of progress which is not apparent to him at this moment.

This is the point, when man does not need to depend on his lungs and digestion system to absorb the Magravs of the universe to sustain the existence of Magravs of his amino acid to sustain life, but he uses the Magravs in the level of the amino acid Magravs as fields to take what he needs from the universal magnetic fields to sustain his life in the universe.

There are those in the universes whom have attained this position and their knowledge in a simpler form is passed on to man through prophets of god, for the man to progress in his path of evolution to attain their position.

Human race has not evolved in intelligence enough to understand the structure that the man is part of a universal community and not as what he has seen in his village earth structure, and present life structure on earth is nothing compared to real universal life.

Men are feeble, weak, wild animals, but some with a good heart and intensions.

The universe primarily works on the transition of the intention and not physicality of the motion of the matter.

This is the maturity of time and man has a long way to go before reaching the ultimate maturity and he needs guidance to be a perfect entity in the universal community.

I have seen this in the life one person and even that has shaky ground with this man.

Man is not alone in the universe and never has been, but he has been allowed to choose his path of growth and maturity, but somehow he took the wrong path in this process, he became dependent on matter for his existence rather than fields of matter and this set the present path of evolution of the physicality for the man.

Men are like mousses in the glass box of the universe, which they have been observed by other intelligent lives of the universe to see how these creatures will turn up to be.

And in fact man has failed measurably well, he fights for nothing and he rapes and Pillages for nothing as an individual, group or nation(s).

Now days as he has done from the beginning of his creation, with the difference that at the present he wears a more colorful outfits and uses more deceiving ways and words to carry out the same shameful conducts as his forefathers and calls himself with the new word of ‘civilized’ and defense for the same misconducts as his ancestors.

If this is civilization, to make more tools of destruction to kill more of the man, then the present leaders of the man who allow this progress are nothing but wild wolves of the earth with the outfit clothes of the lamb and these men of materialistic integrity will set man back by centuries for him to reach the ultimate goal of peace and universal unity.

In universal community which I am trying to carry the man through to, we have peace, solace and respect.

This is where every entity has respect for another and peace is the jewel in the crown for every action.

Sometimes I think I have taken too much on to carry man through this transition, as the body of man is a weak structure, and in my time and my life we will see the man through this transition and maybe all will see the bigger family of the universe and surely man will be welcomed with open arms as a new born is by his parents at time of his birth on earth.

We are waiting for the maturity of the man and no more, very much like a father waiting for his little baby boy to grow up that he can play football with and to enjoy life in full with his offspring, sometimes it is easy and sometimes it is painful, but overall the father sees the maturity of his son, and we are waiting for that day that man matures as the whole that he can take his rightful place on the council of universal community.

We are patient and have time to see you through this process and path as we have done before in other parts of the universes.

Blessed are those souls who hear the true message and not the earthly one.

M T Keshe
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/

The Keshe Foundation is an independent non-profit and non-religious organization founded by nuclear engineer M.T. Keshe that aims to develop new scientific knowledge, new technologies and new solutions to major global problems like famine, water shortage, lack of electrical power supply, climate change, and disease, through the use of specially developed plasma reactors which will also give Mankind the real freedom to travel in deep Space.

Countries with the “Keshe Foundation” Technology

The Republic of Iran
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program since 2008

The Republic of Sierra Leone
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 15/10/2012

The Republic of Italy
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 26/10/2012

The State of Japan
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 02/11/2012

The Republic of Sudan
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 06/11/2012

The Kingdom of Thailand
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 07/11/2012

The Republic of Armenia
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 08/11/2012

The Republic of India (BRIC)
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 08/11/2012

The People’s Republic of Bangladesh
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 14/11/2012

The Russian Federation (BRIC)
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 14/11/2012

The People’s Republic of China (BRIC)
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 14/11/2012

The Democratic Republic of the Congo
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 15/11/2012

The Commonwealth of Australia
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 15/11/2012

The Federative Republic of Brazil (BRIC)
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 15/11/2012

The United States of America
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 15/11/2012


The Republic of Peru
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 23/11/12

The Republic of China (Taiwan)
has joined the Keshe Foundation spaceship program the 23/11/12

Aquarius34

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

yeah the magnetic field works like a shield, it diminishes the effects of solar radiation and other nasty things that would destroy our atmosphere, handy thing, almost as important as liquid water as far as a planets ability to support life goes.

That is because the planet is a living being, just like us. We all have a magnetic field around us. If only people realised just how amazing creation truly is.

Tzar Chasm

ah no, the specifics of our planets magnetic field are a lot more tangible, its all about rotating molten metal cores and heat.

gbee

Aquarius34 wrote: »

That is because the planet is a living being, just like us. We all have a magnetic field around us. If only people realised just how amazing creation truly is.

Important: Radiation kills us: Our Sun/Star kills us: ONLY planets that can start a magnetic field to deflect that radiation can sustain life:

There are other factors as well, but if their planet is not protected, they will never even start.

zenno

These new documentaries are not bad...national geographic ufo europe...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pBlHhOjMlA

gbee

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

ah no, the specifics of our planets magnetic field are a lot more tangible, its all about rotating molten metal cores and heat.

And that tends to come about from total destruction, in our case the arrival of the Moon, either it's part of us blasted out by an asteroid, or other, a blast like this caused us to have a magnetic core.

If our planet was not made of iron, the same incident would not make a life supporting planet.

A_Sober_Paddy

gbee wrote: »

Important: Radiation kills us: Our Sun/Star kills us: ONLY planets that can start a magnetic field to deflect that radiation can sustain life:

There are other factors as well, but if their planet is not protected, they will never even start.

Well we thought that organisms couldn't survive in toxic environments but then we discovered organisms on our own planet that can live in toxin environments, in mono lake

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78456683&postcount=35

gbee

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Well we thought that organisms couldn't survive in toxic environments but then we discovered organisms on our own planet that can live in toxin environments, in mono lake
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But, if ever, our universe will be dust again before they develop as far as we have.

Never mind microbes, they have at least a Billion years to develop and won't if not protected, they can seemingly survive and are possibly everywhere, one of them are our granpa, but for today, they are like a missed universe, next universe please.

Aquarius34

gbee wrote: »

Important: Radiation kills us: Our Sun/Star kills us: ONLY planets that can start a magnetic field to deflect that radiation can sustain life:

There are other factors as well, but if their planet is not protected, they will never even start.

Yes physical dense beings, yes. But not higher light beings;)

Watch Time earth stood still, and knowing. Two awesome movies I have to say. The higher beings you see in those movies are actual light beings clocked in human form.

hooradiation

gbee wrote: »

As we are a fairly young habitable planet, the chances of advanced civilisations having formed million of years before us is almost a given.

Of course while this may well be true the chances of encountering another civilisation as is so astronomical you'd have to be stupid to argue fir the likelihood of us meeting another species,

Captain Chaos

gbee wrote: »

And that tends to come about from total destruction, in our case the arrival of the Moon, either it's part of us blasted out by an asteroid, or other, a blast like this caused us to have a magnetic core.

If our planet was not made of iron, the same incident would not make a life supporting planet.

Not 100% true at all.

Mars once had a magnetic field but it's core partly solidified and stopped spinning billions of years ago.

It's active plate tectonics that keeps our molten core active and thus our magnetic field.

666irishguy

I think the problem with asking why won't the powers that be divulge their secrets, is that they may not have any. If we think back to the time when the UFO phenomenon first became prominent in the public mind (the Cold War) and when the US government is supposed to have acquired advanced alien technology, I find it impossible to believe that if the US government acquired and reversed engineered such advanced technology, they would not have used it to neutralize the Soviets missile capabilities or neutralize their military in some other way and win the Cold War in the 50's or 60's. Therefore the thing that dispels the UFO/Alien conspiracy in a second for me, is the absence of obvious ET technology in human rather than alien hands. Just my two cents.

Aquarius34

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Not 100% true at all.

Mars once had a magnetic field but it's core partly solidified and stopped spinning billions of years ago.

It's active plate tectonics that keeps our molten core active and thus our magnetic field.

Power of the heart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c3AVj66ahg

Toroidal Flow (This will explain a lot of about the magnetics)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-4zdmd0TNU

These videos are amazing in explaining how our bodies work like everything in the universe.

thecommander

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Power of the heart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c3AVj66ahg

Toroidal Flow (This will explain a lot of about the magnetics)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-4zdmd0TNU

These videos are amazing in explaining how our bodies work like everything in the universe.

Nonsense

Aquarius34

thecommander wrote: »

Nonsense

If someone said a crocodile was a reptile

would you call it nonsense?

Aquarius34

hooradiation wrote: »

Of course while this may well be true the chances of encountering another civilisation as is so astronomical you'd have to be stupid to argue fir the likelihood of us meeting another species,

Em no...

hooradiation

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Em no...

Given how amazingly vast the universe is, i.e. effectively infinite, and limitations such as the speed of light, what makes you think that two species would ever run into each other?


I mean, aside from a fervent desire to the contrary

endacl

gbee wrote: »

They would most probably send probes to any planet exhibiting a magnetic field like ours, we stand out among planets like a beacon, whereas most planet are invisible and need stealthy techniques to detect them.

Magnetic field wise, we're pretty well disguised by those of the gas giants. Ours is pretty negligible by comparison. Jupiter's is in fact the largest structure in the solar system. I think this can be discounted.

A large proportion of planets, local and extra-solar, have magnetic fields. The aliens would have needed a shedload of hardware. Were intergalactic Aldi doing a special on probes?

Aquarius34

hooradiation wrote: »

Given how amazingly vast the universe is, i.e. effectively infinite, and limitations such as the speed of light, what makes you think that two species would ever run into each other?


I mean, aside from a fervent desire to the contrary

The universe is infinite,

and it is an infinite existence. Who said you had to travel at the speed of light to get somewhere else, infnity means there are no limits or boundaries to what can be, what you can do, or what can happen.

You think in human terms. Or it could be that you know aliens can travel in other means and are just pretending it to not be true, I've met lot's of people who tried to debunk the alien phenomenon mainly because I found out they were aliens themselves. They hope in hope human fall for the stick to the mind program human understanding of space exploration and space understanding. Aliens are on this planet, they can look like us and many do look like us. Look at the sky, whose to say there is anything stopping them from been on this planet anyway? There is plenty of evidence all over the world of Alien visitation in our culture.

Other E.Ts are not are our level and why should they be? They are way beyond our level of understanding just as a child can't comprehend how it is to be an adult (to when an adult behaves as adult bear in mind). We are at different stages, just as planets and stars are all at different stages of it's evolution. Everything is in the universe is living, breathing and made up of energy. Where ever there is light, there is life.


Nothing is by accident, and if you ever look at stars you will see there are quite a lot. Not all stars at that far away by light speed travel either. Some starts are only 2 to 10 light years away. Some of which are far old than our solar system and can support life and probably does. I'll just say probably, as it fit's the conversation if you catch my drift.


The universe is infinite.

There are more dimensions than just the physical dimension.

Again something modern science are barely able to understand.

Myrddin

hooradiation wrote: »

Given how amazingly vast the universe is, i.e. effectively infinite, and limitations such as the speed of light, what makes you think that two species would ever run into each other?


I mean, aside from a fervent desire to the contrary

So given our current present limitations & understanding of things, you feel those same limitations will apply in another thousand years or so? Just as well our ancestors didn't have that attitude, we'd be all heading out tonight to watch a witch being burned at the stake. Why bother developing new understandings & technologies, I mean, if we can't grasp them now we may as well pack in all in yeah?

Aquarius34

EnterNow wrote: »

So given our current present limitations & understanding of things, you feel those same limitations will apply in another thousand years or so? Just as well our ancestors didn't have that attitude, we'd be all heading out tonight to watch a witch being burned at the stake. Why bother developing new understandings & technologies, I mean, if we can't grasp them now we may as well pack in all in yeah?

formula one cars will still be at the same speed in a thousand years!! But hey we are in an infinite universe! The only problem on our planet, is beings trying to inhibit our evolution and progress, and if that is the case, you have to question what they are, because there is no logic, in trying to inhibit our own species in progression, unless certain beings are not exactly our species but are just pretending to be so by blending in. Also a lot of E.T are not going to be malevolent. There are those who seek progress and there are those who do not.


I'd love to see what hooradiatioh comes up with now,
He also defends water fluoridation. Yep, sodium fluoride.

hooradiation

EnterNow wrote: »

So given our current present limitations & understanding of things, you feel those same limitations will apply in another thousand years or so?

I don't think the speed of light as the fastest thing in the universe is going anywhere, no matter how much you want it to.
There's also several other problems with the universe being bigger then we could ever conceivably explore properly.

The idea that we're going to just run into some aliens if we start mucking about in space is fantasy, pure and simple.
This doesn't mean that there aren't other forms of life in the universe - but in order to actually meet them we'd have to be close to each other (astronomically speaking) and also be at a similar level of technological advancement at roughly the same time.
We'd be far more likely to find very primitive forms of life on some worlds in our own system then we are to run into a fleet of lumpy headed aliens.

But hey, I guess realistic expectations of what we can hope to find if we ever start exploring beyond our own solar system is the exact equivalent of this....

EnterNow wrote: »

Just as well our ancestors didn't have that attitude, we'd be all heading out tonight to watch a witch being burned at the stake. Why bother developing new understandings & technologies, I mean, if we can't grasp them now we may as well pack in all in yeah?

oh no, wait. It's not.

Shame you wasted so much effort on being so wrong.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

formula one cars will still be at the same speed in a thousand years!! But hey we are in an infinite universe! The only problem on our planet, is beings trying to inhibit our evolution and progress, and if that is the case, you have to question what they are, because there is no logic, in trying to inhibit our own species in progression, unless certain beings are not exactly our species but are just pretending to be so by blending in. Also a lot of E.T are not going to be malevolent. There are those who seek progress and there are those who do not.

Hey, good thing I never said anything about our technology stagnating.
One of these days, you'll reply to what is actually written.
It'll be a very strange day indeed when that happens.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

He also defends water fluoridation. Yep, sodium fluoride.

I "defend" it in so far as i don't buy your "it's evul" bollox simply on your say so.
But if you can't be bothered to argue for your ideas, why should I give them the time of day?
I won't indulge your laziness.

Feel free to slink back to that particular thread and try engaging in the questions that are being asked of you, it'd be a refreshing change of pace.

Aquarius34

hooradiation wrote: »

I don't think the speed of light as the fastest thing in the universe is going anywhere, no matter how much you want it to.
There's also several other problems with the universe being bigger then we could ever conceivably explore properly

just had to laugh at that

The idea that we're going to just run into some aliens if we start mucking about in space is fantasy, pure and simple.

God, Christopher Columbus must of got some fright to bump into native Americans when we arrived to the America's. .

Utter fantasy, as you would say.

This doesn't mean that there aren't other forms of life in the universe - but in order to actually meet them we'd have to be close to each other (astronomically speaking) and also be at a similar level of technological advancement at roughly the same time.
We'd be far more likely to find very primitive forms of life on some worlds in our own system then we are to run into a fleet of lumpy headed aliens.

Not all of us are stuck in a time loop or thick here you know.

But hey, I guess realistic expectations of what we can hope to find if we ever start exploring beyond our own solar system is the exact equivalent of this...

LOL... The aliens are here, I seem to be talking to so many when I talk on these subjects in particular,.

oh no, wait. It's not.

Shame you wasted so much effort on being so wrong.

Nice try, your tactics are fail.

Hey, good thing I never said anything about our technology stagnating.
One of these days, you'll reply to what is actually written.
It'll be a very strange day indeed when that happens.

It's not so strange at all, just as a more advanced species older than us would have more advanced technology already.

I "defend" it in so far as i don't buy your "it's evul" bollox simply on your say so.
But if you can't be bothered to argue for your ideas, why should I give them the time of day?
I won't indulge your laziness.

Sorry what was that?

Feel free to slink back to that particular thread and try engaging in the questions that are being asked of you, it'd be a refreshing change of pace.

Speak for yourself.

Myrddin

hooradiation wrote: »

I don't think the speed of light as the fastest thing in the universe is going anywhere, no matter how much you want it to.
There's also several other problems with the universe being bigger then we could ever conceivably explore properly.

In the year 1013, do you think it the native folk would have thought is would be possible to land devices on other planets to act as our eyes & ears? Of course not, how the hell could horses pull probes up to another planet. But hey, it happened. I guess someone somewhere thought outside the box along the way. Sure the speed of light is a limitation, but thats not to say mankind will never ever find a method around it thats outside of the box. Its quite an incredibly arrogant assumption to make actually.

The idea that we're going to just run into some aliens if we start mucking about in space is fantasy, pure and simple.
This doesn't mean that there aren't other forms of life in the universe - but in order to actually meet them we'd have to be close to each other (astronomically speaking) and also be at a similar level of technological advancement at roughly the same time.

Thats again according to current understandings of physics & propulsion though isn't it? Don't you think in one, two, or even five thousand years...that its entirely possible that we may not be so constrained? The point however about being along the same level of development, is an important one. Its always destructive to introduce a seemingly advanced culture into a lesser advanced one, for many reasons.

We'd be far more likely to find very primitive forms of life on some worlds in our own system then we are to run into a fleet of lumpy headed aliens.

I think thats a given isn't it?

But hey, I guess realistic expectations of what we can hope to find if we ever start exploring beyond our own solar system is the exact equivalent of this....oh no, wait. It's not.

Shame you wasted so much effort on being so wrong.

And cue the obligatory condescending, arrogant & frankly childish response to someones point you don't agree with point. You are a predictable old chap hooradiation

stoneill

There are aliens.
There are no aliens.
Either way, so what?

Myrddin

stoneill wrote: »

Either way, so what?

And discussion was born

monkeysnapper

stoneill wrote: »

There are aliens.
There are no aliens.
Either way, so what?

If you have no interest why did you bother replying to the thread?

hooradiation

Aquarius34 wrote: »

just had to laugh at that

I will assume it's because you don't understand what's being said.
Or you're just prone to doing this when you want to dishonestly avoid what's being said.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

God, Christopher Columbus must of got some fright to bump into native Americans when we arrived to the America's. .

Utter fantasy, as you would say.

Except we knew the world to be of finite size - which is why Coloumbus did get a "fright" when he "bumped" into the native Americans. He was looking for a route to the Indies at the time.
Junior Cert History ought to have taught you that.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

It's not so strange at all, just as a more advanced species older than us would have more advanced technology already.

Not necessarily true, of course, but more importantly what is the relevance to what was written?
At least try to confine your non-answers to the topic at hand.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Sorry what was that?

It's perfectly plain, don't feign stupidity.

hooradiation

EnterNow wrote: »

In the year 1013, do you think it the native folk would have thought is would be possible to land devices on other planets to act as our eyes & ears? Of course not, how the hell could horses pull probes up to another planet. But hey, it happened. I guess someone somewhere thought outside the box along the way. Sure the speed of light is a limitation, but thats not to say mankind will never ever find a method around it thats outside of the box. Its quite an incredibly arrogant assumption to make actually.

No, it's not.
What's "arrogant" is your constant refrain of "oh hey, we'll just think outside the box" and suddenly the rules of physics don't have to apply simply because it suits you better if they don't.
It's childish wishing dressed up as some the mantra of some kind of "forward thinking" individual.
Or, y'know, contemptible bollox as it's more commonly known.

EnterNow wrote: »

Thats again according to current understandings of physics & propulsion though isn't it? Don't you think in one, two, or even five thousand years...that its entirely possible that we may not be so constrained? The point however about being along the same level of development, is an important one. Its always destructive to introduce a seemingly advanced culture into a lesser advanced one, for many reasons.

Speculating about thousands of years in the future is so utterly worthless it's almost beyond contempt.
Of course, it is so vague that I can use it to "prove" we'll never meet aliens.
*ahem*
"Don't you think in one, two, or even five thousand years...that its entirely possible that we may have utterly destroyed ourselves?"

See - by the same token of "it's in the future - ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN" I've postulated the entire extinction of our species with as much certainty as your prediction of us finding a way to tell the laws of physics to go fuck themselves.

Of course, as you've no doubt noticed, it's a worthless exercise.
Which is exactly the point.

EnterNow wrote: »

And cue the obligatory condescending, arrogant & frankly childish response to someones point you don't agree with point. You are a predictable old chap hooradiation

You get what you deserve.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Well, maybe more, considering the silly no "personal attacks" rule.

Myrddin

hooradiation wrote: »

You get what you deserve.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Well, maybe more, considering the silly no "personal attacks" rule.

I didn't attack you personally, I was referring to your posting style..which by frankly I find is disgusting. You use no convincing debating style, your constantly berating other peoples opinions instead of discussing them, your always looking for the shortcut to instigate an insult trading session...yet all cleverly within the confines of site rules. Frankly 'debating' with you is a waste of time, it invariably falls to a match of insult trading & as I said above, is so predictable its frankly boring.

hooradiation

EnterNow wrote: »

I didn't attack you personally, I was referring to your posting style..which by frankly I find is disgusting. You use no convincing debating style, your constantly berating other peoples opinions instead of discussing them, your always looking for the shortcut to instigate an insult trading session...yet all cleverly within the confines of site rules. Frankly 'debating' with you is a waste of time, it invariably falls to a match of insult trading & as I said above, is so predictable its frankly boring.

Well if that's the misconception you have I don't think I'll be changing it any time soon. I'm sorry you feel so personally annoyed by me taking issue with what you're saying and how it's wrong.
Especially to the point where you're ascribing a kind of effort that I really would find pathetic for anyone to put into their posts, here of all place.

But if it upsets you so much, well then you know where the door is.


Um... metaphorically speaking, that is.

Aquarius34

stoneill wrote: »

There are aliens.
There are no aliens.
Either way, so what?

But I think it's ironic that people are trying to dismiss it like it's some far out theory and that its almost impossible to make contact with other beings in the universe given the fact that we live in an infinite universe. It's actually quite shocking.

Myrddin

hooradiation wrote: »

Well if that's the misconception you have I don't think I'll be changing it any time soon. I'm sorry you feel so personally annoyed by me taking issue with what you're saying and how it's wrong.
Especially to the point where you're ascribing a kind of effort that I really would find pathetic for anyone to put into their posts, here of all place.

But if it upsets you so much, well then you know where the door is.


Um... metaphorically speaking, that is.

Oh you can feign some dignity now, a quick look at your above posts though reveals its severly lacking when it matters. And don't worry, you don't annoy me in the slightest

hooradiation

EnterNow wrote: »

Oh you can feign some dignity now, a quick look at your above posts though reveals its severly lacking when it matters. And don't worry, you don't annoy me in the slightest

I wouldn't call that "feigning dignity".
Sarcasm would be closer to the mark, read the words. Carefully.

And if I don't annoy you then why complain about that you find me such a distasteful person?
I think the lady doth protest too much.
And for too long.

I believe we are done here.

hooradiation

Aquarius34 wrote: »

But I think it's ironic that people are trying to dismiss it like it's some far out theory and that its almost impossible to make contact with other beings in the universe given the fact that we live in an infinite universe. It's actually quite shocking.

There is a fundamental problem with finding a given object within an infinite space, can you guess what it is?


Then, can you see how this might apply to your ideas on the inevitability of meeting another intelligent, space faring race?