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I am considering leaving school when I turn 16
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02-01-2013 12:58pm#1
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Master of the UniverseJoin Date:Posts: 35089
Would you be physically able for the job if you've been that ill and missed that much time?
Being a hairdressing apprentice is a lot of time on your feet, at least 8 hours a day five days a week and it's quite physically demanding
Indeed, it's definitely not an easy way out. If someone can get through that then they could get through their final year of school
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Does your mother use a computer at all? If she does not, the sight of you posting on facebook looks like genius
You are in a bit of a panic at the moment, for some reason. Maybe you are very disappointed with your JC results. You certainly come across as someone with ability and intelligence. Is there someone in school - counsellor, form teacher, you could discuss your problems with?
It may look very rosy to get an apprenticeship at the moment, but any reasonable salon would want you to have done at least a FETAC course to learn all the technical stuff about hair and chemicals etc. You would also get work experience on a FETAC course.
If you could hang in there and get your leaving it would be much easier to get onto a post leaving cert course, and believe me, while there is study - and there is going to be study whatever you do - it is nothing like school and most people really enjoy them. You could do IT or hairdressing or a good few other courses.
If you do decide to go down the road of getting an apprenticeship, get an adult to help you with a document for both yourself and your employer to sign to ensure that you do get proper training and end up with a qualification. It would be too easy for someone to use you as a dogsbody for a couple of years and then let you go. There may be a document available, perhaps FAS might be able to help you.
Go and talk the the salons soon and ask if they would be prepared to sign a document, I have a nasty feeling that if you turn up looking for your apprenticeship to be made official, it might just disappear.0 -
Every student thinks about dropping out of school really (Usually nothing serious of course) because school is so stressful. I'm in LC at the moment and the stress is unnatural tbh. But I don't care because at the end of it I'll have a Leaving Cert and nearly everything these days requires one.
I have to agree with other posters that say stay in school. If you need to talk to someone then do. I'm sure anyone will be more than willing to help you out. But don't drop out until you are certain that something is there for you to do. I've seen a few lads in my school drop out hoping to do courses and apprenticeships but most have ended up with nothing and are currently aiming for the dole as there are very few paying opportunities for unqualified inexperienced youths.
At the end of the day it's up to you but I'd recommend you seriously reconsider finishing out the LC as it opens a lot more doors and allows you to mature and think more thoroughly about what you want to. For example, when I was 15 I wanted to do law and hoped to become a barrister but after doing work experience with a local barrister I realised it's a heartless job and in the last 2 to 3 years alone I have decided I want to do an engineering course. So in 3 years I went from Law to Engineering... 2 extremely different courses and almost opposite job opportunities .
So just have a rethink and finish 5th year anyway. You'll have 3 free months to decide then Hope this helps in some way 0 -
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Does your mother use a computer at all? If she does not, the sight of you posting on facebook looks like genius
You are in a bit of a panic at the moment, for some reason. Maybe you are very disappointed with your JC results. You certainly come across as someone with ability and intelligence. Is there someone in school - counsellor, form teacher, you could discuss your problems with?
I'd very much suggest you do speak to someone like this first before you make a life-changing decision like this. I'm not saying that dropping out of school with just a Junior Cert to your name is going to ruin your life but you really should be looking at the bigger picture here. You really need to be sure that you're leaving school for the right reasons and not because you're fed up of it, you see it as an easy option or perhaps because you're a bit depressed.
By leaving school to train as a hairdresser, you are very much putting your eggs into one basket. What happens if you realise that it's not what you wanted? Or if you discover that it's physically too difficult for you, what with your past illnesses?
What I'm seeing in your posts is oodles of negativity.Now though the thought of school makes me feel sick. I would not do very well. I would have to drop down to mostly ordinary level subjects. And I am no good with languages. I dropped French in second year because of my absences.
You've already decided you're not going to do very well. You did pretty well in your JC despite your absences.
Dropping French isn't the be-all and end-all. Not having a European language won't preclude you from going to non NUI colleges.
Looks like a negative cop-out to me.I don't think I do have it in me.I just want to say I used to love school. And I never, ever considered dropping out before hand. But now the past couple of months I have done a lot of thinking and soul searching. School now the thought has me sick. Even thinking about going back has me sick and in tears.
Have you spoken to your GP about this? Or sought professional help? Are you sure you're not just wanting to drop out because you're feeling very down or the school you're attending doesn't suit you any more?But something like computer technician is also something I am considering. I am looking at my options I really am.
Good luck with getting a job in I.T. with a Junior Cert. But it's your choice if you want to limit your options and have to jump more hoops if you decide in a few years that you want to work in I.T.But mentally school has me in a bad place.
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Stay in school. That isn't what you want to hear, but the chances of a salon taking you first of all is hard, and even if you have on lined up, I know people that trained for a few months then the salon closed/ were let go after their first year/ simply didn't like it.
I have done a hairdressing course and have over a year practical experience, live in a huge city, willing to work for free and I still never got a job in hairdressing. If you are lucky enough to get one, it is never guaranteed.
There are a lot of jobs in hairdressing, this is always true, but ONLY if you are fully qualified with experience. I made the mistake of thinking I would secure a job if I went into it, but actually getting trained is IMPOSSIBLE.
I hated school at your age and thought I wanted to do hairdressing, but my parents made me stick it out and now I am glad they did. I done it for a few years and ended up hating it to the point that I don't even like doing friends' hair etc, whereas it used to be my passion for a long time. I am now planning on a Legal career, and I found I like it a hell of a lot better than I ever would hair. Thank god I listened to my parents, went through with the Leaving Cert enough to get the points I will need to hopefully go to college next year.
You never know what you want to do for life at 15, you will regret it. Please don't brush this off as a lecture, I was in your position and came out worse for it. I learned the hard way, and I'm thankful I had strict parents in retrospect, even though I hated it at the time. Don't quit.
Also, worth noting hairdressing is not fun or easy. I still loved that it was hard, but it definitely was not worth the trouble on the majority of days. Trust me, there were days I couldn't walk on my feet they were that sore. There were days I didn't get anything to eat until home time because it was a busy day. That is not something to jump into at 15, an age you cannot ever be sure what you want.
There is no actual apprenticeship in hairdressing by the way, it doesn't exist in this country. You can be signed into a contract of training for four years, but even at that, the majorit of salons either don't do it by contract and just see how it goes, or agrees to give you a year or x amount of time. It is not all it is hyped up to be. If you leave school and still want to do it, by all means do, I am not trying to put you off. I'm just trying to prepare you, as someone that was in your shoes, because I put a lot of work into something I really loved and was good at, and ended up just hating it, and wasting the talent I did have. That's not being big headed or anything, but if you work at something you like you will get good at it, there is just A LOT of work needed.
That includes homework and study by the way, I went into hairdressing thinking it was mostly practical and I ended up studying every night (100% to show for it now though), having theory exams weekly and having a LOT of science I had never heard before shoved down my throat. You don't have to be a fully fledged scientist, but some people in my year that were bad at science/had dropped out of school had a hard time learning some of the more technical side of things that people don't even know exists. People think hairdressers are the thick people in society - not the case, there is a lot of study involved, and you're working with potentially harmful chemicals ALL DAY that you CANNOT mess up, or your head is on the line in more than one way. If you hate studying, you probably won't like over 50% of it and that's the truth a lot of us learned. Again, not saying it is terrible, and not trying to put you off, but just bear in mind if you cannot handle the next year of learning in school, you are just going to quit and go into more studying and learning, so you may aswell finish school while you've started, instead of quitting and going into the same thing. 0 -
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TrishaIrish wrote: »It's not the work. I have always loved learning. It's school itself. The pressure of all the different subjects. The pressure of catching up with everything. Even the school is not the problem, it's school in general. I have always loved school. This is the first year I have wanted to leave early.
I know what you mean, and I was the same when I was your age and up until I was finished really. There is a lot of different things to cover. Here is an example of everything I had to learn, and this was within the first six months to a year:
- Cutting technique (although you will not be on the floor immediately, you are still going to have to learn these things and until you can be on the floor, which might not be for two or three years)
- Blowdrying ( not as straightforward as you think, a lot of different techniques, and very hard on the arms when you are doing up to eight in a row)
-Perming ( Again, you will not be doing this straight off, but you WILL have learn about all the different chemicals, the reactions they have, the effects they have on the composition of the hair, what they will do if used wrongly, different times for different types, how to physically do it which is a task in itself :P )
- Health and safety ( Basic health and safety regs, but also each and every little thing about every chemical you will ever see, use or even hear of. No detail is spared when you are dealing with a strangers head, and you CANNOT forget)
- Reception duties (especially in smaller salons that will not likely have someone else hired) , customer services, sales and cash handling ( Everything from gaining clients, getting them to come back, how to make appointments, how to sell products, how to deal with NASTY clients that want a free hairdo so make a fuss out of what you have done :P, how to deal with things you have messed up if any)
- Colouring ( A module in itself, learning how colours mix with each other etc, which is really basic stuff until you move onto colour codes, what you can and can't use on certain people, the volumes and ratios of what chemicals to use etc . Interesting, but it takes a long time to get the hang of it in a practical sense)
- Washing (It seems fairly simple how to wash a head, but you have to learn different massage techniques, what shampoo you can and cant use on certain people, how to apply treatments, how to prepare a client and finish them etc. Pretty easy, but again, a lot of mundane stuff to learn)
- Setting ( Basically the process of using rollers on hair to curl it, one of the easier modules, but you have to follow a specific pattern certain times etc which you have to learn about, you can't just throw them in and hope for the best. Also learn about lotions etc.)
- Products and what they do ( Again, simple enough but you have to learn the chemicals contained in said products, what they will do to different people, when and when not to use them. Easy, but a lot to remember as there is a million and one different products out there )
-The theory of all that and whatever else may or may not be relevant.
The learning part is pretty simple, until they say to put it into practise, then you have to remember months of learning in an hour or your client is pi**ed off.
All of that, and being a full time waitress on top of it. Oh, and any errand under the sun such as bringing a senior stylists' dress to the cleaners, going to the bank, getting milk for the teas/coffees. Anything and everything is asked of you, and you won't get a second to yourself. As I said, obviously everyone is ENTITLED to a break and you SHOULD get one, but at the end of the day, if you are in a salon with ten people busy, three stylists, and two of those stylists occupied (due to clients being late or other unplanned things) you will have to sacrifice your break until a quieter time, but unfortunately there are days when the only quiet time is home time.
It is a lot, just please think into it, and I know I'm going on and on and on, and you're probably sick of hearing (reading) me, but I want you to have a realistic view of what you're getting into. As I said, if you still love the sound of it, by all means do it. But in my opinion, leaving cert will NEVER go astray. You will have to use maths and science on a daily basis in hairdressing.
You will learn all this most likely within the first year in a basic way, and then all of the above will go onto more advanced levels of it, which I couldn't even grasp now if you asked me to. The first thing I was told on my first day was 'you will never stop learning, till the day your retire' which is great, but only if you are really prepared for it.
While there is not a legal requirement, some salons won't take anyone under eighteen under contract, because even a lot of colour ranges now require the client to be over 18 and that IS by law. Obviously salons are still affected financially, and it will be unheard of to get a good, SECURE job without either experience, a course, or at the VERY least a portfolio of things you have done on people you know, which is a good idea to do in the case you do decide to leave. Otherwise, you don't really have a leg to stand on, even if a salon has promised you something, that may not mean a lot once you're actually out of school. You will see I have posted in the past about being messed around by salons, promised a job then the next day it is gone and I get a day or two when it is busy, that's it.
As I already said, there is NOT an apprenticeship for hairdressing in Ireland, and there is next to NO regulation, so they can do what they please with you, take you on for any amount of time you agree to. If there was a more structured process, it would be more reliable, but there isn't. I know a girl I worked with before who spent six years in a salon during her 'training'. During that six years, she was paid cash in hand under the table (very little wage), they sent her on no courses during her time so she came out with not one piece of paper or qualification, she was used and abused, and at the end she left, going on to another salon where, despite having six years experience, still had to start from scratch, because she had little to show for it. A reputable salon will ensure you have your certs etc, although they are not officially recognised for the most part, it is still better to prove you have learned something than just saying it. It is a dodgy industry in this country, unlike others where you have set guidelines and qualifications.
Do it on the weekends, build up some experience, but stay in school. That's my opinion, but good luck with whatever you do.0 -
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