Hundreds of new speed traps on the way!

jimmynokia

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/hundreds-of-new-speed-traps-to-catch-rogue-drivers-3340312.html

Simply a cash cow!

_Kaiser_

Beat ya to it here

I wonder are these the standard fixed type or Average Speed ones?

jimmynokia

Regardless its a load of bull.

_Kaiser_

jimmynokia wrote: »

Regardless its a load of bull.

Completely agree.. another revenue exercise - although the Independent article suggests mobile cameras but the BreakingNews one I linked to sounds more like fixed cameras?

jimmynokia

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Completely agree.. another revenue exercise - although the Independent article suggests mobile cameras but the BreakingNews one I linked to sounds more like fixed cameras?

Hard to say im sure more info will become available soon enough to make it clear for all to see rather than the lack of info as now.

Mr Benevolent

I really wouldn't believe anything printed in the Indo, it's about as reliable as Bertie Ahern.

jimmynokia

Confab wrote: »

I really wouldn't believe anything printed in the Indo, it's about as reliable as Bertie Ahern.

Considering the same news in breaking news.ie is the same your comment is lame.

Grass between the tracks

Confab wrote: »

I really wouldn't believe anything printed in the Indo, it's about as reliable as Bertie Ahern.

The date would be the only thing reliable.

corktina

I'd wager it costs more to operate the speed camera system that it brings in and seeing as it's basically an Education process, the diminishing returns make it a poor investment for anyone thinking it would make money (and don't forget if it did raise money, it would lessen the tax burden on the rest of us...)

Victor

Grass between the tracks wrote: »

The date would be the only thing reliable.

Typically a coincidence. They've got it wrong sometimes.

Mr Benevolent

jimmynokia wrote: »

Considering the same news in breaking news.ie is the same your comment is lame.

They're both tabloids though.

JJJJNR

They are supposed to be in accident blackspot areas only, so presume they wont be on motorways... :rolleyes:

Grass between the tracks

Presume nothing. I would not be surprised to see them on motorways.

Wendolene

TBH, all that seems to be happening is that the list of speed detection zones is being increased. There's no mention ( yet ) of any increase in the number of detection vans, so do the math :rolleyes:

With the passage of time, the list was always going to change anyway, as the Gardai / RSA / GoSafe now have more data to analyse on driver behaviour in those zones. It makes complete sense to adapt the list as you see things changing, and they've got about 2 years of data on the current zones now.

Some zones will have changed for the better ( and consequently be targetted less ), some for the worse ( and consequently be targetted more ) and some previously-untargetted areas will become newly-targetted speed detection zones because of recent driver bahaviour there.

Iwannahurl

corktina wrote: »

I'd wager it costs more to operate the speed camera system that it brings in and seeing as it's basically an Education process, the diminishing returns make it a poor investment for anyone thinking it would make money (and don't forget if it did raise money, it would lessen the tax burden on the rest of us...)

Any evidence to back your wager?

Here's an old UK Home Office report (found after a brief Google search) on the subject which concludes otherwise: http://tna.europarchive.org/20071104151615/homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/prgpdfs/prg20bf.pdf

bitburger

the new zones will probabaly just be set up where the survey vans thought they could shoot the most barrelfish

Wendolene

Grass between the tracks wrote: »

Presume nothing. I would not be surprised to see them on motorways.

Agreed completely. However, as the motorways enjoy a pretty low accident rate, they're not going to be targetted anything like the N, R and L routes that are.

Still, if there is a large injection of capital into GoSafe for the acquisition of additional detection vans ( not evident from the reports yet ), then I'd expect to see many many more perched alongside motorways

Iwannahurl

jimmynokia wrote: »

Regardless its a load of bull.

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Completely agree.. another revenue exercise - although the Independent article suggests mobile cameras but the BreakingNews one I linked to sounds more like fixed cameras?

2012 saw the lowest level of road deaths on record, and you still think speed cameras are purely for revenue-raising?

Speed cameras have proven their worth elsewhere, so why not here?

If lives are saved, is that not worth the money in terms of operational costs and revenue raised?

Please Kill Me

Iwannahurl wrote: »

you still think speed cameras are purely for revenue-raising?

Yep!!

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Speed cameras have proven their worth elsewhere, so why not here?

Because it's the Irish government/RSA. Nothing is done for the reason it's supposed to, it's always about how much more they can squeeze out of the Irish motorist!! :mad: We're being raped/targeted and always will be.

ugglasdav

apparently the RSA are just moving the locations of the speed traps, not adding any more than there is now, thats what the radio said anyway

jack presley

ugglasdav wrote: »

apparently the RSA are just moving the locations of the speed traps, not adding any more than there is now, thats what the radio said anyway

When will we know where the new positions are did they say?

Wendolene

Please Kill Me wrote: »

Yep!!



Because it's the Irish government/RSA. Nothing is done for the reason it's supposed to, it's always about how much more they can squeeze out of the Irish motorist!! :mad: We're being raped/targeted and always will be.

And yet, we have a fool-proof way to foil their dastardly plot :rolleyes:

BlatentCheek

Yeah typical Indo hyperbole to alarm the casual reader:
new locations of speed traps using the existing vans = "hundreds" of new speed traps.

I had a look at the Garda map of locations http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=6497 but for my route to work, which is the only one I bothered memorising before, the map is unchanged so I suspect the Garda haven't released the new locations yet.

visual

Iwannahurl wrote: »

2012 saw the lowest level of road deaths on record, and you still think speed cameras are purely for revenue-raising?

Speed cameras have proven their worth elsewhere, so why not here?

If lives are saved, is that not worth the money in terms of operational costs and revenue raised?

Less traffic due to unemployment and two very mild winters have more to do with this than RSA with retired RTE presenter and camera vans taking credit and robbing motorist.

Most major roads and motorways have overhead cameras fitted that can read reg numbers it only a matter of time before they are used as avg speed cameras.

Iwannahurl

Please Kill Me wrote: »

Yep!!

Because it's the Irish government/RSA. Nothing is done for the reason it's supposed to, it's always about how much more they can squeeze out of the Irish motorist!! :mad: We're being raped/targeted and always will be.

Well, I feel remarkably unviolated and blissfully unpicked-on.

When driving, at any rate.

visual wrote: »

Less traffic due to unemployment and two very mild winters have more to do with this than RSA with retired RTE presenter and camera vans taking credit and robbing motorist.

Most major roads and motorways have overhead cameras fitted that can read reg numbers it only a matter of time before they are used as avg speed cameras.

The reduction in road deaths is a continuing trend. Transient conditions do make some difference presumably, but that can't be sustained or relied on. I don't know much about the relative merits of average cameras / section control, but I suspect there are benefits.


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SeanW

This is definitely to be welcomed, provided that they are actually in areas where there have been speed related accidents, and not just "fish in a barrel" exercises.

solas111

Typical bull**** from the RSA. Speed cameras may make some contribution to a reduction in road accident figures but there are many other reasons, including the fact that a high percentage of young drivers have been forced to leave the country. From listening to those RSA people talking it is clear that they live in a world of their own. Do they have special classes to teach them those condescending ‘Garda talk’ sentences and tone of voice?

By all means put up speed cameras in places where they will make a difference but they should try to be a little bit more honest. Speed camera vans sitting on the straight stretches of good road on the outskirts of towns late in the evenings are there to generate revenue and for no other reason. From my own knowledge of the local sites they have chosen it is easy to see that very few of them are in accident black-spots.

The quote below from the Irish Independent article says it all:

“But despite prominent signage warning of their locations they are still raking in €1m a month from drivers who continue to speed.
All of the revenue is sent to the Exchequer, as the GoSafe company is paid a set fee.”

Please Kill Me

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Well, I feel remarkably unviolated and blissfully unpicked-on.

When driving, at any rate.

Good for you. I'm happy for ya, really. :rolleyes:

solas111 wrote: »

Speed camera vans sitting on the straight stretches of good road on the outskirts of towns late in the evenings are there to generate revenue and for no other reason

The quote below from the Irish Independent article says it all:

“But despite prominent signage warning of their locations they are still raking in €1m a month from drivers who continue to speed.
All of the revenue is sent to the Exchequer, as the GoSafe company is paid a set fee.”

There ya go! This is what I'm on about. Tossers. :mad:

Wendolene

solas111 wrote: »

Typical bull**** from the RSA. Speed cameras may make some contribution to a reduction in road accident figures but there are many other reasons, including the fact that a high percentage of young drivers have been forced to leave the country.

Em, are you saying that speed cameras are forcing young drivers to leave the country ? Seriously ??? :eek:

solas111 wrote: »

From listening to those RSA people talking it is clear that they live in a world of their own. Do they have special classes to teach them those condescending ‘Garda talk’ sentences and tone of voice?

Have a grudge, do we ? Some vinegar for those chips ?

solas111 wrote: »

By all means put up speed cameras in places where they will make a difference but they should try to be a little bit more honest. Speed camera vans sitting on the straight stretches of good road on the outskirts of towns late in the evenings are there to generate revenue and for no other reason. From my own knowledge of the local sites they have chosen it is easy to see that very few of them are in accident black-spots.

If cameras are placed on straight stretches of good road on the outskirts of towns, it'll be because those same stretches of good road on the same outskirts of those same towns are attracting dangerous driving behaviour in a "Hmmm ... nice stretch this ... I think I'll let it rip" kind of way.

No doubt, this is only done as a last hurrah by young drivers before being forced to leave the country

solas111 wrote: »

The quote below from the Irish Independent article says it all:

“But despite prominent signage warning of their locations they are still raking in €1m a month from drivers who continue to speed.
All of the revenue is sent to the Exchequer, as the GoSafe company is paid a set fee.”

Yes, it does say it all. It says that despite all the warnings and the publication of a comprehensive database of targetted locations, some idiots are just so beyond help that they're still getting caught :rolleyes:

Pawwed Rig

Wendolene wrote: »

Em, are you saying that speed cameras are forcing young drivers to leave the country ? Seriously ??? :eek:

Not speaking for the poster but I assume he meant that as there are alot of younger people leaving the country then this leads to less road deaths due to there being less younger drivers. I thought he was fairly clear tbh

ottostreet

Some amount of codswallop being spouted on this thread.

Only place I've ever seen any GoSafe vans is on the national road linking the M9 to Carlow town. They are always there, a former 100 km/h road, which for some reason was downgraded to 80 km/h, and is PAINFULLY slow as a result.

Wide, open, safe road with suddenly lowered speed limit. Load of bollix.

antodeco

I am yet to see a camera van outside a school. Ive seen them on stretches of roads where visibility is 100% and high walls where nobody can cross!

Iwannahurl

antodeco wrote: »

I am yet to see a camera van outside a school.

The lack of traffic law enforcement around schools is criminally negligent, in my view.

Iwannahurl

ottostreet wrote: »

Some amount of codswallop being spouted on this thread.

Only place I've ever seen any GoSafe vans is on the national road linking the M9 to Carlow town. They are always there, a former 100 km/h road, which for some reason was downgraded to 80 km/h, and is PAINFULLY slow as a result.

Wide, open, safe road with suddenly lowered speed limit. Load of bollix.

There have been a number of fatalities on the N80 near Carlow over the past several years. Links from a brief Google search below -- I'm not sure of the locations.

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=8104

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/woman-killed-in-fatal-car-crash-1959163.html

http://www.herald.ie/news/young-nurse-dies-in-black-ice-crash-1959688.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/2001/0618/rta.html

http://www.carlowpeople.ie/news/passenger-killed-in-tragic-road-accident-1607475.html

http://www.herald.ie/breaking-news/national-news/woman-dies-after-crash-outside-carlow-town-1439636.html

tw0nk

there are new cameras just installed both ways on the M11 motorway on the Gorey bypass, not sure if these are the same cameras, but if they are, they are on a long straight where everyone speeds but I cant imagine many accidents.

Grass between the tracks

They are traffic management cameras.

Wendolene

The RSA published a Survey of Free Speed on their web site ( http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Speed/RSA_Speeding_Survey_06.pdf ).

The findings on pages 10 to 22 are pretty scary, e.g. 89% of articulated vehicles in excess of vehicle-specific speed limits on motorways in the 2006 survey ... and that was down from 94% the previous year.

I know people will always want to blame anything and anyone else for things entirely within their own control - it's easier to do than accepting responsibility for oneself - but figures like that go quite some way to explaining why many of the measures that people complain of are taken.

ugglasdav

jack presley wrote: »

When will we know where the new positions are did they say?

didnt say, they said they will be shuffling around the speed traps alot more

ottostreet

Iwannahurl wrote: »

There have been a number of fatalities on the N80 near Carlow over the past several years. Links from a brief Google search below -- I'm not sure of the locations.

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=8104

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/woman-killed-in-fatal-car-crash-1959163.html

http://www.herald.ie/news/young-nurse-dies-in-black-ice-crash-1959688.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/2001/0618/rta.html

http://www.carlowpeople.ie/news/passenger-killed-in-tragic-road-accident-1607475.html

http://www.herald.ie/breaking-news/national-news/woman-dies-after-crash-outside-carlow-town-1439636.html

Wrong road. That road IS a dangerous one, and I've never seen a speed van on it.

This is the road with the 80 km/h limit and you are almost guaranteed to see one each and every time you drive on it.

That was a national road, but has been downgraded to regional since motorways opened. Annoying.

Iwannahurl

ottostreet wrote: »

Wrong road. That road IS a dangerous one, and I've never seen a speed van on it.

This is the road with the 80 km/h limit and you are almost guaranteed to see one each and every time you drive on it.

That was a national road, but has been downgraded to regional since motorways opened. Annoying.

That's the R448 according to Google Maps (which I know is not infallible).

But didn't you say "the national road linking the M9 to Carlow town"?

ottostreet

Iwannahurl wrote: »

That's the R448 according to Google Maps (which I know is not infallible).

But didn't you say "the national road linking the M9 to Carlow town"?

I edited my post, it used to be the national road from Carlow to Kilkenny, it was downgraded when the M9 opened in 2009/2010. It used to be the N9, and most locals I know still call it that.

Iwannahurl

ottostreet wrote: »

I edited my post, it used to be the national road from Carlow to Kilkenny, it was downgraded when the M9 opened in 2009/2010. It used to be the N9, and most locals I know still call it that.

Local knowledge is useful, given the changes.

I was getting confused while searching Google for crash reports.

I don't have time to just now to work out what crashed happened where, but it does seem as if there have been serious collisions at various places along that road over the years. Unfortunately I can't unpick the N9 references just now.

Here's one report referring to a fatal crash back in 2001 which does seem to have occurred on what is now the R448 on Google Maps.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/road-accident-in-carlow-leaves-one-man-dead-11225.html

ottostreet

Yep, that's the correct road, I know the spot.

Moped though...safe to assume he wasn't speeding!

I would say there isn't much point in nit-picking over individual incidents on individual roads though, speeding can occur anywhere at any time. For safety purposes though, choosing good locations for speed cameras is essential, if safety is what the RSA are truly concerned about.

Based on what I've seen and the locations of speed cameras around Carlow town and localities, its not safety they're worried about.

solas111

Wendolene wrote: »

Em, are you saying that speed cameras are forcing young drivers to leave the country ? Seriously ??? :eek:

No. Read slowly.

Wendolene wrote: »

Em,Have a grudge, do we ? Some vinegar for those chips ?

No, I don’t hold grudges but I think you own a peaked cap.

Wendolene wrote: »

Em,If cameras are placed on straight stretches of good road on the outskirts of towns, it'll be because those same stretches of good road on the same outskirts of those same towns are attracting dangerous driving behaviour in a "Hmmm ... nice stretch this ... I think I'll let it rip" kind of way.

Have to agree with you on that one. Those old ladies coming home from the bingo and doing 43 in a 40 mph zone are a real disgrace. Give it a break my friend. The boy racers are laughing themselves silly, watching those speed camera vans and then going on to do what they always did. The gaurds can’t catch them and don’t want to bother trying because they can’t take any money off them in fines anyway.

Wendolene wrote: »

No doubt, this is only done as a last hurrah by young drivers before being forced to leave the country

Em,Yes, it does say it all. It says that despite all the warnings and the publication of a comprehensive database of targetted locations, some idiots are just so beyond help that they're still getting caught :rolleyes:

That’s the problem with your beloved speed cameras – they are not catching the speeders. They target the guy who normally does everything right but who may occasionally step a little bit over some of those ridiculous speed limits, something I am sure you have never done of course.

flutered

where i have seen them quite a few times are on the tipp bansh road at killshane, and believe or not on the link road linking the chair bansha road with the motorway,

Wendolene

solas111 wrote: »

No. Read slowly.

Yeah, I re-read that bit again. It read different the second time alright :pac:

solas111 wrote: »

No, I don’t hold grudges but I think you own a peaked cap.

No I don't, but sometimes I wish I did as I would have a job that's hard to lose.

solas111 wrote: »

Have to agree with you on that one. Those old ladies coming home from the bingo and doing 43 in a 40 mph zone are a real disgrace. Give it a break my friend. The boy racers are laughing themselves silly, watching those speed camera vans and then going on to do what they always did. The gaurds can’t catch them and don’t want to bother trying because they can’t take any money off them in fines anyway.

Fully agreed on the boy racers, but then they're part of the reason the cameras are deployed in the first place. Whether it's the old ladies or the boy racers, speeding-related accidents are no respecter of the demographics of the squidgy organic bit behind the steering wheel.

solas111 wrote: »

That’s the problem with your beloved speed cameras – they are not catching the speeders.

Being equivocal about defining "speeders" is part of our refusal to accept that we are each fully capable of defeating this supposedly monstrous state conspiracy to screw drivers ... which makes it a piss poor revenue-generating conspiracy.

solas111 wrote: »

They target the guy who normally does everything right but who may occasionally step a little bit over some of those ridiculous speed limits,

Cameras can't target a particular demographic. They target a geographic location and a demonstrated behaviour. However, by focussing on the demographics of prosecuted/convicted drivers, a significant point is being missed - they ARE catching speeders, and this has had an effect on driver behaviour.

solas111 wrote: »

something I am sure you have never done of course.

Well, don't be sure - I did, and I got caught and I got the penalty points. I was absolutely f*ckin' furious with myself, but I didn't blame anyone else ... or "the system" or "the government" ... for getting caught and I didn't try to build myself an acute sense of victimhood for getting caught. Lesson learned - simples.

jimmynokia

Iwannahurl wrote: »

2012 saw the lowest level of road deaths on record, and you still think speed cameras are purely for revenue-raising?

Speed cameras have proven their worth elsewhere, so why not here?

If lives are saved, is that not worth the money in terms of operational costs and revenue raised?

Seen you have a keen interest in this as ive noticed your heavy posting on the topic dont you think its still too much!!

Lets face it its always going to be there and never go away.FACT!

Iwannahurl

jimmynokia wrote: »

Seen you have a keen interest in this as ive noticed your heavy posting on the topic dont you think its still too much!!

Lets face it its always going to be there and never go away.FACT!

What will always be there?

shawnee

Was travelling to work today and met speed camera at an usual location. Road speed was reduced to 60km from 80 for around 150 metres. There is no sign alerting one to cameras in this location. Someone mentioned to me that if one was caught in this area , the points can be challenged because there was no sign ?

goz83

Was in london a few years ago and was using my sat nav to get around. Jaysus, the amount of times the sat nav was beeping and flashing, just to warn me of "safety cameras" was unreal. This was about 70% of the time beeping in central London. speed traps avery couple of hundred metres (according to the sat nav). Very, very annoying.

jimmynokia

Iwannahurl wrote: »

What will always be there?

DEATHS AND ACCIDENTS!

So if your saying car crashes and road deaths can be brought to ZERO ??
NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!! fact!