Are Audi's over rated ?

Someday

My third Audi, the first one had three major problems at 5 year old ! It was a A3 !

Current 3.5 year old a4, again three major problems. Paint work, throttle, now flywheel !!

Changing again soon and I don't know what to do!

Passat, aventis , something else or stick with A4 !

Celly Smunt

get a skoda.

Someday

No chance !

dgt

please go into detail about paintwork....

hedzball

Someday wrote: »

No chance !

Least you could justify getting fla'd...








'hdz

Someday

It was peeling and Audi sorted it but hassle !

Myrddin

Yes.*


*in my opinion

colm_mcm

There's your answer so.

KwackerJack

Disaster for suspensions and turbo's (Diesel)

For some reason a Skoda is more reliable...same bloody car different badge's and a bit of extra trim but From what ive seen in the fathers garage a lot of people have gone from Audi / vw to Skoda

There are a nice car to drive but like every nice car there great until something goes wrong :mad:

Paddyontherun

I had a passat for a few years and 'upgraded' to an Audi A4 TDi. I always felt the Audi was a passat with 5 circles on the front and cost €10k extra. Thankfully they were compnay cars so I wasn't paying.

Audi`s like all moodern diesels are plaged with problems. Mostly the flywheel goes after 60k miles same with the dpf.

Sadly Diesels are so unreliable these days that I will never touch one again, unless of course I coud buy one new and flog it after the warranty expires.

I drove my brothers 12 A6 auto and it`s an incredible car to drive and has an absolutely wonderful interior. A gigantic leap over an A3, not that an A3 is bad by any means.

Its amazing the amount of people that go for diesels anyway considering the problems, it far out weighs any benefit in fuel economy.

Someday

Toyota give 3 years ! Vw & Audi are only 2 ! Interesting !

KwackerJack

Deleted User wrote: »

Audi`s like all moodern diesels are plaged with problems. Mostly the flywheel goes after 60k miles same with the dpf.

Sadly Diesels are so unreliable these days that I will never touch one again, unless of course I coud buy one new and flog it after the warranty expires.

I drove my brothers 12 A6 auto and it`s an incredible car to drive and has an absolutely wonderful interior. A gigantic leap over an A3, not that an A3 is bad by any means.

Its amazing the amount of people that go for diesels anyway considering the problems, it far out weighs any benefit in fuel economy.

Iv'e learnt that myself..the hard way!! As you said if I buy a diesel it will be traded before warranty expires!

I've always found problems with Audi / Vw.....So annoying as they are nice to drive

Used prices are ridiculous to....Due to fashion not reliability!!

Someday

Apart from skoda lads, what would you buy ?

Ferris

2005 A6 with a FSH and at 150k:

1 clutch and DMF
1 intercooler
1 original turbo
1 ECU
1 gear linkage
1 wiper assy.
1 engine mount
1 pwr steering pump
Oil pump sh*t itself lunching the 2nd turbo (issue with all PD 2L 140's).

Currently in the mechanics with the oil pump gone again. Thankfully the oul lad knew the signs and stopped the car when the oil light came on otherwise the engine would have gone.

Are Audis overrated? I wouldn't rate one over a lada.

KwackerJack

Someday wrote: »

Apart from skoda lads, what would you buy ?

Petrol Avensis 1.8 would be a good car..D4D Diesels are giving trouble and expensive to fix!

How about a Volvo S60? Pre 02 Gave throttle body problems but that's sorted!

I have an S80 2.0t and bar an engine mount and cv joint its not given a bit of bother!

KwackerJack

KwackerJack wrote: »

Iv'e learnt that myself..the hard way!! As you said if I buy a diesel it will be traded before warranty expires!

I've always found problems with Audi / Vw.....So annoying as they are nice to drive

Used prices are ridiculous to....Due to fashion not reliability!!

I`ve not had much suspension trouble only in one passat but that was an 02 and when VW quality took a nose dive from 00-08 but I don`t think you would have much problems with suspensions these dyas but I could be wrong.

So many other manuafacturers are having so many problems now too, diesels are best avoided, I seriously wouldn`t buy a 2nd hand one, Id get a honda 2.0L honda v-tec and convert to lpg. That would save much more than any diesel car.

VAG in the U.S and China have been ordered to offer 10 year warranty on the DSG box because its such a pile of crap and I warn anyone not to buy a 2nd hand dsg in any VAG car. Shame the warranties in Europe are so bad.

I still want my leccy car, not to save money of course but for the experience, in theory they should be ultra reliable.

Best username ever

I had an A4 a few years back 2.0 petrol. It was the most expensive car I ever had, every month I was changing coils in it. The light bulbs were constantly in need of changing......the list was endless. It constantly drank oil and Audi could never find any leaks, the engine management light would come on for no reason. I'd take it to Audi and guess what??? Nothing was wrong with it..


Stay away from Audi.

KwackerJack

KwackerJack wrote: »

Petrol Avensis 1.8 would be a good car..D4D Diesels are giving trouble and expensive to fix!

How about a Volvo S60? Pre 02 Gave throttle body problems but that's sorted!

I have an S80 2.0t and bar an engine mount and cv joint its not given a bit of bother!

Volvo use ford diesels and their petrols are more reliable but I completely agree, A volvo s80 converted to LPG at 30 mpg would still be cheaper than a 50 mpg diesel to run. DEcent power too 2.0 T.

Best username ever

Best username ever wrote: »

I had an A4 a few years back 2.0 petrol. It was the most expensive car I ever had, every month I was changing coils in it. The light bulbs were constantly in need of changing......the list was endless. It constantly drank oil and Audi could never find any leaks, the engine management light would come on for no reason. I'd take it to Audi and guess what??? Nothing was wrong with it..


Stay away from Audi.

VAG petrols are known to consume a lot of oil, nothing like Alfa`s though.

I had a B6 A4 TDI AUto, Got it with 100K miles and sold it with 200K miles only fault in my 100K of ownership was a/c compressor. Not bad for 200K miles.

kirving

Someday wrote: »

Toyota give 3 years ! Vw & Audi are only 2 ! Interesting !

And Kia give you 7 years. I know it doesn't cover everything, but you'd barely get that on a house!

Best username ever

Mad_Lad wrote: »

VAG petrols are known to consume a lot of oil, nothing like Alfa`s though.

I had a B6 A4 TDI AUto, Got it with 100K miles and sold it with 200K miles only fault in my 100K of ownership was a/c compressor. Not bad for 200K miles.

The B6 TDI was a good car and held its value, the B6 2.0 petrol I bought only had 40k on the clock when I bought it. I discovered on the Internet that the model I had was riddled with problems.



It was the biggest pile of shíte I ever had.

The Pontiac

Are Flywheels the worst invention ever? Obviously they're serving a purpose, but they just don't seem to last.

Kevin Irving

Kevin Irving wrote: »

And Kia give you 7 years. I know it doesn't cover everything, but you'd barely get that on a house!

Kia used to offer 7 years but up to 100k kms, and VAG up to 2 years 100Kms

Has that changed ?

VAG in the U.S and China must offer 10 years and 100K miles on the rubbish DSG and we here in Europe must suffer 100K KMS or 60 k miles.

We need much better protection. We are beeing fleeced.

AnarchistKen

Someday wrote: »

My third Audi, the first one had three major problems at 5 year old ! It was a A3 !

Current 3.5 year old a4, again three major problems. Paint work, throttle, now flywheel !!

Changing again soon and I don't know what to do!

Passat, aventis , something else or stick with A4 !

Passat cc blue motion is a decent motor. Was driving one last week and was happy as a pig in ****e driving it. UK model too all bells and whistles

hedzball

Deleted User wrote: »

Volvo use ford diesels and their petrols are more reliable but I completely agree, A volvo s80 converted to LPG at 30 mpg would still be cheaper than a 50 mpg diesel to run. DEcent power too 2.0 T.

IIRC the s60's are running peugeot lumps??

<Ollie> wrote: »

Are Flywheels the worst invention ever? Obviously they're serving a purpose, but they just don't seem to last.

They have been around years.. its the dual flywheels that are killing them.. held together with glue/rubber buffs..

Companys selling kits to go from dual back to single for the d4d's.. says it all really.


'hdz

lomb

Interior in the Audi A4 is a large leap over the Passat imo in terms of layout and seating position. Better looking also , if you look carefully at even small details the oem bumper is actually styled like a bodykit would be. Quattro is an option which isnt available on most other cars in that class.
Cars develop faults ,some depend on servicing, some on miles, some on road quality ,moisture in the air, some on the driver. Some just luck and of course much comes down to engineering. Key is to buy used after a few years of a new model to let them work out the problems. Can take around 2-3 years though which is a long time. Alternative is sell when warranty runs out. If buying used then dont buy a 'new' model . Ie buying a late 2004 E class than a 2003 one eliminates rust issues, the automatic transmission packing up from contamination of the cooler, some electrical faults etc.
Alot of new cars these days have faults built in for various reasons like DPFs, DMFs, although if enough of these pack up creating a bad reputation chances are the manufacturers will insist on more reliable versions. But all that can take years..

hedzball

Both VW and Skoda both have 4wd options.


BMW do across the pond dont think the X option has made it to anything bar the jeeps here yet?.



'hdz

Nickindublin

All 2013 Audi now come with 3 year unlimited mileage warranty.

http://www.audi.ie/ie/brand/en/service/warranty.html

kirving

hedzball wrote: »

Companys selling kits to go from dual back to single for the d4d's.. says it all really.

Is that the best solution though? Won't stresses and vibrations that the DMF is designed to reduce be transmitted along the drivetrain?

hedzball

Nickindublin wrote: »

All 2013 Audi now come with 3 year unlimited mileage warranty.

http://www.audi.ie/ie/brand/en/service/warranty.html

I think I'll run out now ...



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Someday

Another thing that bugs me is the boot on the A4 doesn't take my golf clubs well ! With 1 year old A4 and passats there doesn't seem much difference on price ?

Is the boot big enough on the passat to take a set of golf clubs ?

bazz26

The A4 is a junior executive saloon, it was never designed to be spacious or have a large boot. You will find the BMW 3 Series, Lexus IS have similar dimensions. If you need space then look at one of the large family models from main stream manufactuers or even a Honda Accord which kindof sits between main stream and premium but still has a decent sized boot. Or maybe the Passat CC which offers something extra/unique to the regular Passat.

bladespin

TBH For the basic models anyway, they're pretty poor compared to cheaper alternatives, still, if you need a badge...

Saab Ed

Two answers to your question OP.

1) Big engined, high speced Audis, like A7s and S8s, are truly excellent cars.

2) Basic spec, diesel A4s are just expensive Seats with very few redeeming features except a badge. Sure you can spec one up but you're just being dupped really. Its just an ordinary car in a frock but way more expensive. It does though make your neighbours jealous and your penis slightly longer

KwackerJack

What about the new Subaru Legacy or outback? Or try the volvo XC70

All 4wd/awd petrol and pretty reliable to

gammygils

Definitely over rated! My A4 gives me awful jip. Mostly electrical

Currently under investigation as to why the lights keep coming on

even when unoccupied! On 3 occasions the drivers & passengers window
have gone down inexplicacbly of their own accord. Had to endure a wet ass driving the kids to school one morning!
The stereo has crap reception.

Used to have a Skoda Octavia. Definitely a better car!

gammygils

gammygils wrote: »

Definitely over rated! My A4 gives me awful jip. Mostly electrical

Currently under investigation as to why the lights keep coming on

even when unoccupied! On 3 occasions the drivers & passengers window
have gone down inexplicacbly of their own accord. Had to endure a wet ass driving the kids to school one morning!
The stereo has crap reception.

Used to have a Skoda Octavia. Definitely a better car!

The ecu for the leccy windows for the Audi's afaik is under the drivers seat or used to be, the seat getting wet may have caused damp to get into it.

I forget what Audi call it, but it controls a lot of the electrical functions of the car.

Skodas don't have half the electrics that Audi's have.

Still there is nothing like sitting in a decent spec A4 or A6. Blows any skoda away.

nice_guy80

2007 Audi a4 1.9 tdi (chipped to 137 bhp)

bulletproof

tossy

KwackerJack wrote: »

Disaster for suspensions and turbo's (Diesel)
:

Any Audi i've known with suspension or turbo trouble has mostly bee ncaused by the owner or previous owners fitting crap spurious suspension parts and not using correct oil/service intervals.

Paddyontherun wrote: »

I had a passat for a few years and 'upgraded' to an Audi A4 TDi. I always felt the Audi was a passat with 5 circles on the front .

5 circles? i think you got a replica Audi or an olympic edition.

Deleted User wrote: »

Audi`s like all moodern diesels are plaged with problems.

Are all Audis Diesel ?

I've owned 2 Audi cars.

first was a 2.5 TDI A4,never missed a beat only trouble i had with it was due to negligence during servicing while not owned by me and it developed a small oil leak as a result.No biggie.

My current Audi is a 12 yr old S3 and it hasn't missed a beat yet,it's not diesel and it is still one of the best pound for pound hot hatches around.

Are Audis over rated? Yes.... if you believe you are buying a premium luxury rocket ship and then go and buy one of the many 'ragged to within an inch of their lives and serviced using spurious parts' Irish spec faux S lines on the irish market right now.(the same applies to all cars)

If however you do your homework and buy a good car you won't be disappointed (same applies for all cars)

Barry Barry

Someday wrote: »

Apart from skoda lads, what would you buy ?

SEAT

Wonda-Boy

After just buying a passat and looking around for the last 3 weeks, you can get super deals on VW passats from 2008 upwards, my mate just bought a 09 passat for €11,000 highline model with 80K on the clock and he can get 3 full sets of golf clubs in the boot (if you worried about space) Also if you push for it you can get 3 yr warranty on a car from the dealers. Well on the newer models anyway...

pippip

gammygils wrote: »

On 3 occasions the drivers & passengers window
have gone down inexplicacbly of their own accord. Had to endure a wet ass driving the kids to school one morning!

If you hold the unlock button on the fob this opens the windows, after having my son playing with my keys this can be a regular occurrence I've found.

Someday

So a new passat with 3 years and sell it after 3 years ! Low apr on finance also and maybe a few other things thrown in, like servicing and some diesel !

el tel

I have an Audi and I really like it. In most respects it's a great car and I plan on keeping it for a long to come. However, there have been a couple of niggles (electrical) which means that I will probably never buy another Audi again. I see the ads for all the latest technological wizzardy in their new cars yet only 6 years ago they could barely manage to reliably connect a wire to a radio aor a light bulb :P

KwackerJack

Audi / VW always has bad electrics.... So many time i was locked out of my Golf or A4 due to either the locks having a party or just not working at all.

Had a 01 golf and ended up smashing the driver side window after the keys and my wallet got locked inside :mad::mad:

Came out one evening to find my window down in the 00 A4 and a puddle on the drivers seat and floor :eek:

Mechanical trouble and the like are OK but when it comes to electrics....stay away :mad:

The reason for all those suspension arms boggles the mind...My 02 S80 has less arms and is definitely more comfortable to drive and handles very well in corners despite the weight!

Over engineered I think is the term

Synyster Shadow

Always been a fan of vw and if I have the money some day I want a scirroco but for the meantime I'm lookin into a 09 A4 2 litre diesel. Not had an Audi before but driven loads and a few friends have them the A3 round the 03 year is fond of showing up dash lights from what iv seen. The thing is new car's are all electrics and a pain to deal with when go wrong most mechanics aren't trained for fixing newer car's only a few have gone to Germany to do the course on these car's

Synyster Shadow

Synyster Shadow wrote: »

Always been a fan of vw and if I have the money some day I want a scirroco but for the meantime I'm lookin into a 09 A4 2 litre diesel. Not had an Audi before but driven loads and a few friends have them the A3 round the 03 year is fond of showing up dash lights from what iv seen. The thing is new car's are all electrics and a pain to deal with when go wrong most mechanics aren't trained for fixing newer car's only a few have gone to Germany to do the course on these car's

Unless it has low miles (under 70,000 ) I wouldn't be tempted, and not because it's an Audi, I won't buy another diesel again from any manufacturer

It's such a shame that the tax system is so facked up in the E.U that the good old petrol cars are too expensive to tax, LPG would be a far better way to go than diesel and it would eliminate some of the carcinogenic emissions that is proven to come from diesel exhaust. But the E.U do not care about emissions that will kill you they only care (o.k mainly care) about C02 but that won't kill you. E.U is facked up!

mickdw

Someday wrote: »

So a new passat with 3 years and sell it after 3 years ! Low apr on finance also and maybe a few other things thrown in, like servicing and some diesel !

Sounds like a plan. A new passat driven for 3 years really wont break the bank. About 12k depreciation I would say and for a large new car that is pretty good.
I dont see it mentioned much but the new model passat is a huge leap forward over the last one even though it is really a facelift. It is a far better drive, much more feel from the rear if the car, nice steering weight and feel and just a more precise drive. They must gave changed alot of suspension imo.

Lawless2k12

One of my friends picked up an Audi A4 1.9tdi about 4 years ago. Twas 2001. Brake sensors kept going in it (And are still going), he's changed the indicator multiple times, has had serious trouble with electrics, burns through petrol and oil... and yet he still keeps on driving it!!! Had to borrow money from a bank to buy it as well. Don't know why he doesn't just get a small car. He only bought it for show and doesn't even drive that much. Also he's had to get a new clutch, 4 handbrakes and many, many front tyres but that cos of his sh*tty boy racer style driving

KwackerJack

KwackerJack wrote: »

What about the new Subaru Legacy or outback? Or try the volvo XC70

All 4wd/awd petrol and pretty reliable to

Or better yet, convert to LPG ?

Remember LPG @ 30 MPG is cheaper than diesel @ 50 mpg.

Shame the tax is so extortionately high on decent sized petrols now. Why our Government promotes diesels which are far worse for air quality is way beyond me.