Who is Clara?

mach1982

Now that we have seen the Christmas episode ,the Question is who is Clara?

The doctor said the "Great Intelligence" rang a bell, so I did a bit of googeling
as I have not see any of the old Dr Whos.
It says the GI is googd with computers and can reamiate dead boadies. When it turned into to rain it would have seeped into the ground.Maybe it took over her boady , but her mind was to stong and she became dominate the personality.

SparklersJo

mach1982 wrote: »

Now that we have seen the Christmas episode ,the Question is who is Clara?

The doctor said the "Great Intelligence" rang a bell, so I did a bit of googeling
as I have not see any of the old Dr Whos.
It says the GI is googd with computers and can reamiate dead boadies. When it turned into to rain it would have seeped into the ground.Maybe it took over her boady , but her mind was to stong and she became dominate the personality.

Hmmm, but that wouldn't explain why in the clips from the series to come, it showed

Clara in modern times, but at the exact same age

, would it?

OldmanMondeo

The Doctors Daughter maybe? Another Time Traveller?

SparklersJo

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

The Doctors Daughter maybe? Another Time Traveller?

Oh I really hope it's not her coz she kissed him!!!! :P

OldmanMondeo

SparklersJo wrote: »

Oh I really hope it's not her coz she kissed him!!!! :P

Uuuugggghhhhh just remembered that..... Well these Aliens, you just never know...

Manach

Wait till the Dr.'s wife finds out about the kiss.

ebbsy

Another Timelord perhaps ? Although she has the same face 2nd time around so maybe not ?

SparklersJo

ebbsy wrote: »

Another Timelord perhaps ? Although she has the same face 2nd time around so maybe not ?

Well, I wouldn't mind the same face thing toooo much. After all, David Tennant kept the same face by siphoning off some of his regeneration power in to his spare left hand before. And The Master had his same face after his resurrection, and he said he was stuck with it. But Clara was

buried

at the end of the Christmas episode, absolutely no sign of regeneration. But who knows

Grian1

Maybe it's something to do with Rory and how he died and then he came to life as a Roman centurion?

Doctor DooM

She's clearly Optimus Prime.


(I hope at least one person gets this)

Sonics2k

Part of me hopes that she is the Doctors daughter, it'd be nice to see the character make a good return and certainly something quite new.

It's also partially explain his fondness for her.

stevenmu

I've no idea who she is, but I wonder will she keep dying in every episode until the Doctor finally manages to save her.


edit: actually, I wonder could she be a Tardis. Something about that "smaller on the outside" line, sounds like something a Tardis might say. I must go back and look at that episode where the Doctors Tardis was put into a human body.

pixelburp

Sonics2k wrote: »

Part of me hopes that she is the Doctors daughter, it'd be nice to see the character make a good return and certainly something quite new.

It's also partially explain his fondness for her.

I guess that's the part of you that forgot the Doc & Clara kissed For that alone I hope she isn't his daughter!

My own theory, mentioned in the episode thread itself, is that Clara's the one person, whose consciousness is split (but shared) across time & space. The old-series story "City of Death" did something very similar, where the bad guy was fractured across time; the same guy, occupying different time periods.

Sleepy

stevenmu wrote: »

I've no idea who she is, but I wonder will she keep dying in every episode until the Doctor finally manages to save her.


edit: actually, I wonder could she be a Tardis. Something about that "smaller on the outside" line, sounds like something a Tardis might say. I must go back and look at that episode where the Doctors Tardis was put into a human body.

I fucking *LOVE* that idea!

SparklersJo

stevenmu wrote: »

I've no idea who she is, but I wonder will she keep dying in every episode until the Doctor finally manages to save her.


edit: actually, I wonder could she be a Tardis. Something about that "smaller on the outside" line, sounds like something a Tardis might say. I must go back and look at that episode where the Doctors Tardis was put into a human body.

Sleepy wrote: »

I fucking *LOVE* that idea!

Ditto!!! In fact, I love it so much that I am now fully convinced that this is the case. And if it's not, then they should've bloody well thought of it!!

Mr.Saturn

Given the fact her name, Clara Oswin Oswald, sounds about as organic as Easi-Singles, I'm half-guessing it's an anagram of some hint, but 'a racial downs slow' isn't really pointing me in any directions.

SparklersJo

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

Given the fact her name, Clara Oswin Oswald, sounds about as organic as Easi-Singles, I'm half-guessing it's an anagram of some hint, but 'a racial downs slow' isn't really pointing me in any directions.

Would they copy a previous clue like that though? Melody Pond = River Song. Bit too samey, no?

Das Kitty

Well the Clara portion is after Lis Sladen (it was her middle name), so maybe see what you get when you eliminate that from the mix.

I don't think Clara's human, at least not entirely human. She believes she is, but I don't.

It was interesting that she started crying when she was handed the Tardis key, and she didn't know why. (Bit forward, Doc, sheesh)

Wibbs

stevenmu wrote: »

edit: actually, I wonder could she be a Tardis. Something about that "smaller on the outside" line, sounds like something a Tardis might say. I must go back and look at that episode where the Doctors Tardis was put into a human body.

Is it my dodgy memory/imagination but wasn't the working title of that episode "smaller on the outside"?

Apolloyon

I am wondering now if Clara is an accidental anomaly caused by restarting the Universe in 'The Big Bang'. Perhaps there was an ordinary Clara Oswyn Oswald in the original timelime but somehow she has been duplicated across several timeframes. Like a frame stuttering in a film reel. The Universe is trying to right itself, this is why the 'duplicate Clara's' are dying each time until only one will remain. Or am I overthinking this again?

Killer_banana

stevenmu wrote: »

I've no idea who she is, but I wonder will she keep dying in every episode until the Doctor finally manages to save her.

The Doctor saves his companions (at the last minute) too damn much. If it has to be a case of needing to be saved I'd rather she save herself.

I'm really liking the idea of her being a Tardis but I can't see them actually doing that somehow.

MrVestek

I bet it's going to tie in to the 50th anniversary somehow considering that she exists over multiple time periods which will lead to a multi Doctor arc.

jenno99

Achilles wrote: »

I bet it's going to tie in to the 50th anniversary somehow considering that she exists over multiple time periods which will lead to a multi Doctor arc.

I like this idea - 'The Eleven Doctors' using CGI for the dead/very old actors would be pretty awesome.

LindowMan

There's a bit of a spoiler here so if you've not seen the episode known as "Asylum of the Daleks" (broadcast 1st September 2012) then read no further.




Clara Oswald is not only the same character who appeared in the 2012 Christmas Day special as a governess, but she's also the character who appeared in "Asylum of the Daleks" (shown below) in which you are kept thinking throughout the episode that she is an ordinary girl trapped inside the Starship Alaska which has crash landed on a planet full of Daleks. She keeps mentioning "eggs" and she likes to use eggs to cook soufflé to keep herself occupied onboard. But then you find out in the end that she's actually IS a Dalek and that the "spaceship" is actually the outer shell of the Dalek and that the "eggs" which she kept referring to was actually "ex.....ex....ex......exterminate!!". That's the episode in which Clara first appears.



The Doctor becomes intrigued as to how the same woman lived and died in two different centuries and begins searching across time for her, until he meets her again in 21st century London in "The Bells of Saint John."

Who knows what she is? The Doctor is supposed to be the only Time Lord remaining as the rest all died in the Time War, but maybe we will be surprised and find out that the Doctor isn't alone and that Clara is one of his kind.

Wibbs

Maybe she is a time lord? OK against that is that they can recognise each other straight away and when they die they regenerate and they have two hearts etc. But like pixelburp said she's scattered through time. Maybe if she escaped the time war by scattering bits of her incarnation throughout time she'd not be complete so would pass under the Doc's radar.

Now I'm getting my Nerd on.

Tzar Chasm

I think the Clara we saw in this episode is the original Clara Oswald because;
She invented the moniker Oswin
She acquired her L33t puter skilllzzz
She was given the phrase 'Run You Clever Boy and Remember'

so this is Clara-Zero, something will happen to her over the course of the series where her conciousness is spread across multiple timelines, probably as part of an act of vengance by an enemy of the doctor, seems as if Richard E Grants Great inteligence is shaping up to be the big bad for this series.

Doctor becomes overly fond of clara, doctor needs to be distracted and demoralised so Clara gets spread across muiltiple timelines, he must find each Clara, however he can only save one of her, so each time he must determine if the clara he meets is Clara Zero or if he must watch as his efforts fail and repeated iterations of Clara Oswyn Oswald die in his arms.

that seems like a Moffaty type of storyline

Wibbs

Good call TC, that sounds like a winner. To take that further, maybe she's a trap set by this Great Intelligence? A trap to lure the Doc all over time and space. Maybe the various "Clara's" are projections of the one Clara held by the GI, kinda like Amy was held while preggers? Though that would be too much of a copy and cop out.

Other notions? I know it's a stretch but could she be Romana? I only really say that cos if I was casting a new Romana I'd be looking at her. The attitude kinda matches too.

There's also another time lordy type out there, Jenny the Docs kid. Might be a connection there?

Now that Tennant and Piper are pencilled in for the anniversary ep, here's a wacky one, what if she's their daughter?. The reason there are more of her is because she's leaked through the cracks between the cracks in the other universe OK OK yea that is a bit *inhales morrocan woodbines* alright and it would mean he's flirted with and kissed his own daughter. Kinda. Plus she's not blonde, but maybe Rose wasn't either?

The external tardis phone ringing part puzzles me though. Yea Martha rang the Tardis, but I'm now thinking it was a moby in the Tardis? When Ecclestones doc was on the go that WW2 kid hyped up on goofballs/nanotech was able to call the phone on the outside. That flummoxed the Doctor IIRC. That's impossible kinda thing. The kid could call anything with a speaker. Given the title of the episode the phone may hold the clue? So if it is impossible to call that phone and twice the Doc has said it is(and twice he's been wrong, but got an explanation the first time) how did she do it and do it across time while she was at it?

Who was the woman in the shop who had the number in the first place? Can't be Martha. Rose? Again IIRC in one of the very first episodes of the reboot, didn't she ring the Tardis (inside)phone from her moby? I also seem to recall her moby ringing and on the screen was a pic of the Tardis and it's name, so it was ringing her and she stored the number so she defo had it(I'm going on memory here though and don't have the old eps so...). Given that Rose is coming back that would plug into that too.

Yep defo have my Whovian hat on today. For a nice change I'm enjoying the what if clues stuff too. I normally don't TBH.

Das Kitty

I think there's definitely something familial about the way he treats her. He's being more of a protector than a Peter Pan type this time.

I'd say he sees a lot of Susan in her. The fact that she won't walk out on those she cares about (he had to force Susan to leave him). She's super smart and kind. The cheeky slant is different though. I get the feeling that he's not mad about the flirting (although he rarely welcomes flirting from anyone).

I was reading the Eoin Colfer mini-story recently and the way he thinks about Susan in that is similar to the way he's soft for Clara.

If it wasn't for that kiss I would still be of the opinion that she and the Doctor were related, but I really really don't think they're going to have family members snogging in a BBC family programme.

Albertofrog

Did anyone else notice the envelope in Clara's book was labelled property of DELSA?
What is DELSA?

BaconZombie

I like this idea but I'm still hung up on the two missing year in your book.

Also all the ages are written the same, most peoples writing changes over the years.

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I think the Clara we saw in this episode is the original Clara Oswald because;
She invented the moniker Oswin
She acquired her L33t puter skilllzzz
She was given the phrase 'Run You Clever Boy and Remember'

so this is Clara-Zero, something will happen to her over the course of the series where her conciousness is spread across multiple timelines, probably as part of an act of vengance by an enemy of the doctor, seems as if Richard E Grants Great inteligence is shaping up to be the big bad for this series.

It's shown up as " TARDIS" on display when he called Rose a few times.



WTF... I maybe too tired but does a Nokia normally display "Silent", "Mute" or "Silence" as an option!!!!!

Also I'd rule out anybody in the below clip from know the direct number for the TARDIS or they would of used it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf1VvuhLDHs

On the note of the Doctor thinking it was impossible to call the external phone be was also shocked when River know stuff about flying the TARDIS that he did not, and she said he thought her, so the Doctor could of given her the number in the future and she then found away of getting to it herself in the past.

Wibbs wrote: »

The external tardis phone ringing part puzzles me though. Yea Martha rang the Tardis, but I'm now thinking it was a moby in the Tardis? When Ecclestones doc was on the go that WW2 kid hyped up on goofballs/nanotech was able to call the phone on the outside. That flummoxed the Doctor IIRC. That's impossible kinda thing. The kid could call anything with a speaker. Given the title of the episode the phone may hold the clue? So if it is impossible to call that phone and twice the Doc has said it is(and twice he's been wrong, but got an explanation the first time) how did she do it and do it across time while she was at it?

Who was the woman in the shop who had the number in the first place? Can't be Martha. Rose? Again IIRC in one of the very first episodes of the reboot, didn't she ring the Tardis (inside)phone from her moby? I also seem to recall her moby ringing and on the screen was a pic of the Tardis and it's name, so it was ringing her and she stored the number so she defo had it(I'm going on memory here though and don't have the old eps so...). Given that Rose is coming back that would plug into that too.

Yep defo have my Whovian hat on today. For a nice change I'm enjoying the what if clues stuff too. I normally don't TBH.

Killer_banana

BaconZombie wrote: »

It's shown up as " TARDIS" on display when he called Rose a few times.



WTF... I maybe too tired but does a Nokia normally display "Silent", "Mute" or "Silence" as an option!!!!!

It's a while since I've had a Nokia but pretty sure silence, as in to mute the call, was if no longer is, an option. I definitely had it on a phone at some point anyway...

Das Kitty

Albertofrog wrote: »

Did anyone else notice the envelope in Clara's book was labelled property of DELSA?
What is DELSA?

Probably something put there to drive people on tumblr mad. :pac:

MrVestek

Das Kitty wrote: »

Probably something put there to drive people on tumblr mad. :pac:

Data-Enabled Life Sciences Alliance?

mach1982

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

so this is Clara-Zero, something will happen to her over the course of the series where her conciousness is spread across multiple timelines, probably as part of an act of vengance by an enemy of the doctor, seems as if Richard E Grants Great inteligence is shaping up to be the big bad for this series.

Something like that happen before when Rose look in the heart of Tradis.

Das Kitty

mach1982 wrote: »

Something like that happen before when Rose look in the heart of Tradis.

Sort of. But Rose became some sort of all knowing god in that case and could scatter a message throught time.

You'd think with all that oversight she'd be less insecure when she snapped out of it. :pac:

(I swear to feck, if the version of Rose we get in the 50th is still the horrible jealous version... Well I'll do nothing. But I won't be happy. :P )

mach1982

Das Kitty wrote: »

Probably something put there to drive people on tumblr mad. :pac:

It's a name apparently

http://www.sevenreflections.com/name/delsa/

BaconZombie

Since Clara always wears Air Force Wings.....





Could this be her father?
Would explain her ability to come back to live, also The Doctor could not understand his powers either/

Killer_banana

Hadn't spotted the wings. I don't know if they link to Jack but they might come to something. Then again loads of people wondered about River and Amy's matching watches and it never came to anything.

I don't think she would be Jack's daughter, he is immortal but she has multiple incarnations over different timelines. She doesn't so much come back to life as repeatedly die.

pixelburp

We already met Jacks daughter though, in season 3 of Torchwood, and as far as was implied, she was normal & mortal. He could have other children (given the man, that's highly likely of course) but doesn't seem like his curse is hereditary

BaconZombie

Ok, what if she was Jack and Rivers love child.....

pixelburp wrote: »

We already met Jacks daughter though, in season 3 of Torchwood, and as far as was implied, she was normal & mortal. He could have other children (given the man, that's highly likely of course) but doesn't seem like his curse is hereditary

Well that's put the end to that

the_barfly1

Thinking out loud here. And I think that the real question is not "Who is Clara", but "Who is (contains spoilers for The Rings of Akhaten)

Clara's mother, in 1981, used the expression "Oh my stars" during her first meeting with Clara's father, and again when she met the Doctor when Clara was a child.
When Clara spoke of going missing in Blackpool in The Rings of Akhaten, she says that her "world ended", but her mother found her and drove her home. Her mother said that no matter what, she will will always find her.
Now, considering Clara's habit of dying, is it possible that she actually died in Blackpool, and somehow, her mother brought her back?
Perhaps her mother has the power to time travel/is a timelord? Or is just some sort of magic, other worldly type?
I think that perhaps Clara's mother is the key in the Clara riddle.
Going back to the term "Oh my stars", and its repetition during the last episode (I counted its use three times, twice by mother and once by Clara) that it opens up the possibility that Clara's mum worshipped celestial bodies, rather than conventional religion. Most people would say "Oh my god" - whether religious or not. I think that its repeated use is intentional. It did irk me somewhat when I heard it first.

Has Clara's form been duplicated and scattered through time due to some meddling with timelines by her mother saving her from death causing a space-time anomaly?

I'm also wondering why does Clara not recognise The Doctor from her mothers funeral until she leaves the TARDIS at the end of The Rings of Akhaten? Such a traumatic day in somebodies life would surely be deeply ingrained in ones memory, she surely would have recognised The Doctor when he meets her in The Bells of St John? All that had changed in the meantime was her losing "the most important leaf in human history". She also says that things seemed different.

Lots of possibilities, but my train of thought is currently leading me to believe that Clara's mother is the real mystery, rather than Clara herself, and even The Doctor is currently unaware of this?
Any thoughts?


(I may expand on these ideas later if I have another Nerdgasm)

Mr.Saturn

I'm guessing this wasn't accidental.

On 5 March 2005, Rose Tyler first met the Doctor during the Nestene invasion of Earth. Also during this date, Ellie Oswald, the mother of Clara Oswald, died. (TV: The Rings of Akhaten)

It was also the date in which the 1st episode of Nu-Who leaked.

One of these facts may be more significant than the other.

flazio

Hang on, didn't something similar happen with Gwyneth and Gwen Cooper off Torchwood?
Back then the Doctor and Rose ust laughed it off.

Interrobang

Madame Vastra, Jenny and Strax will be in this week's episode. It will be interesting to see how they react to Clara since they met Victorian nanny Clara in the Christmas special. I also wonder if The Doctor purposely seeks them out because of this in his quest to find out who Clara really is.

pixelburp

Interrobang wrote: »

Madame Vastra, Jenny and Strax will be in this week's episode. It will be interesting to see how they react to Clara since they met Victorian nanny Clara in the Christmas special. I also wonder if The Doctor purposely seeks them out because of this in his quest to find out who Clara really is.

Oh yeah; good point, I never thought of that when watching the trailer, they're going to get a surprise when they meet Clara - I suspect there'll be a quiet word or two between the Doc & Vastra at some point

Coldzone

Been reading through the BBC website

We can at last confirm that the finale will also solve the mystery around ‘the impossible girl’. Having remained tight-lipped about Clara, is Jenna looking forward to being able to talk about her character’s enigma? ‘I am, I can’t wait!’ she admits. ‘All I can say is that Clara hasn’t just met the Doctor three times before…’

MrVestek

Coldzone wrote: »

Been reading through the BBC website

We can at last confirm that the finale will also solve the mystery around ‘the impossible girl’. Having remained tight-lipped about Clara, is Jenna looking forward to being able to talk about her character’s enigma? ‘I am, I can’t wait!’ she admits. ‘All I can say is that Clara hasn’t just met the Doctor three times before…’

ROMANA!

mach1982

Was re watching the the Bells of Saint John , and notice in Clara book , the age 23 is missing

Wibbs

Just a thought and maybe this is the long day talking...

I've been kinda reminded of Rose(awaits flaming, but dammit I would...) a bit particularly the bad wolf stuff where after she gets all godlike and such she puts messages through time to save oul Up North Doc (and later on IIRC flash Harry Doc), what if Clara is doing the same, but instead of graffiti and the like is putting herself across time to save bowties are cool(no, really they're not) Doc? Bad Wolf (kinda)= Run you silly boy, and remember. This would maybe plug into the 10th/11th 50 year special thang?

First time in this site I've clicked spoilers. Given that it's me then it makes it the least likely...

Interrobang

mach1982 wrote: »

Was re watching the the Bells of Saint John , and notice in Clara book , the age 23 is missing

16 and 23 are missing. She was 16 when her mum died, and her birthday is 23 Nov - no idea how relevant either is, though, or if they are at all.