Skoda good, VW bad.

looters

Will buy a skoda Octavia, budget around 12k....best cars available at the moment.
Better then all these overpriced volswakens everyone seems to be driving.

looters

looters wrote: »

Will buy a skoda Octavia, budget around 12k....best cars available at the moment.
Better then all these overpriced volswakens everyone seems to be driving.

Without doubt.

lol :pac:

Imo a second hand diesel Octavia is as overpriced as any VW such is the demand for them.

166man

RoverJames wrote: »

lol :pac:

Imo a second hand diesel Octavia is as overpriced as any VW such is the demand for them.

Surely the demand is high because they're an excellent all round car?

166man

166man wrote: »

Surely the demand is high because they're an excellent all round car?

Are you asking me? As you disagree with pretty much all of my points I can't see why you'd be asking me anything tbh.

As I've said imo they're as overpriced 2nd hand as any VW, due no doubt to demand, demand driven by many who don't really have a clue what value is.

Regarding them being an excellent all round car they are much in the same way the Carina was imo, the Carina of the 90s looked a lot better though

looters

RoverJames wrote: »

Are you asking me? As you disagree with pretty much all of my points I can't see why you'd be asking me anything tbh.

As I've said imo they're as overpriced 2nd hand as any VW, due no doubt to demand, demand driven by many who don't really have a clue what value is.

Regarding them being an excellent all round car they are much in the same way the Carina was imo, the Carina of the 90s looked a lot better though

You have no clue pal.

looters

looters wrote: »

Will buy a skoda Octavia, budget around 12k....best cars available at the moment.
Better then all these overpriced volswakens everyone seems to be driving.

looters wrote: »

You have no clue pal.

colm_mcm

lets keep it civil guys

Good luck with the new car looters. Neighbour of mine went looking for a good value 09 Octavia but ended up getting a Jetta much cheaper. Demand for the octy is pretty high from people looking for a bit of value,

MuppetCheck

Jettas are the forgotten VAG at the moment. Prices are in fact lower than Octavias all too often and they are a much nicer place to spend time in. Worth a look if you're spending 12k on an octavia...

looters

MuppetCheck wrote: »

Jettas are the forgotten VAG at the moment. Prices are in fact lower than Octavias all too often and they are a much nicer place to spend time in. Worth a look if you're spending 12k on an octavia...

I wouldnt ever buy anything from Volswaken because Id be imbarrassed to have a car with that brand on it to be honest.

colm_mcm

You'd pay more for a skoda because vws are overpriced?

Just curious as to why you'd be embarrassed by the vw badge (I'm not exactly a vw fan but I'm curious as to why you'd be so enthusiastic about one product of their marketing and so dead set against another)

looters

colm_mcm wrote: »

You'd pay more for a skoda because vws are overpriced?

vws are the most overpriced car out there right now pal.

colm_mcm

But as was mentioned just a while ago, you'll pay a premium for a skoda in a lot of cases these days

As in, jettas are often cheaper than Octavias


Nothing against skodas or anything by the way. Just trying to see your reasoning.

looters

colm_mcm wrote: »

But as was mentioned just a while ago, you'll pay a premium for a skoda in a lot of cases these days

As in, jettas are often cheaper than Octavias

Doubtful

colm_mcm

If you could a jetta cheaper than the equivelant octy, would you still be embarrassed to drive a vw?

Bpmull

But a elegance spec Octavia has a lot more extras than most jettas. The vast majority of jettas don't even have fog lights or air conditioning. I wouldn't say octavias are overpriced my dad bought a 2005 new model ambiente spec a couple of months ago with had a new clutch and dmf and timming belt just fitted and he paid tiny money for it it even has nice 16 inch skoda alloys which I don't think came standard on them. I'd certainly prefere a skoda Octavia over a Jetta. In my opinion vw are overpriced and completely overrated anyone I know with a vw it seems to spend more time in the garage than on the road. That's just my outlook on it. our octavias are only ever in the garage to get a standard service.

Supergurrier

Jetta and Octavia are mechanically the same so that arguement is kind of silly and only goes to show that Skoda's advertising campaign is working as intended

looters

Bpmull wrote: »

But a elegance spec Octavia has a lot more extras than most jettas. The vast majority of jettas don't even have fog lights or air conditioning. I wouldn't say octavias are overpriced my dad bought a 2005 new model ambiente spec a couple of months ago with had a new clutch and dmf and timming belt just fitted and he paid tiny money for it it even has nice 16 inch skoda alloys which I don't think came standard on them. I'd certainly prefere a skoda Octavia over a Jetta. In my opinion vw are overpriced and completely overrated anyone I know with a vw it seems to spend more time in the garage than on the road. That's just my outlook on it. Niether of are octavias are only ever in the garage to et a standard service.

Exactly.

VW's are for the clueless people out there.
You only have to look at all those golfs out there, all they are is trouble and trouble at a high price..

colm_mcm

'Most' jettas are basic, so are 'most' octavias.

looters wrote: »

Exactly.

VW's are for the clueless people out there.
You only have to look at all those golfs out there, all they are is trouble and trouble at a high price..

So you'd rather have a mechanically identical Skoda?

Bpmull

Bpmull wrote: »

........ I wouldn't say octavias are overpriced my dad bought a 2005 new model ambiente spec a couple of months ago with had a new clutch and dmf and timming belt just fitted and he paid tiny money for it..............

How much and what miles were on it ?

looters

colm_mcm wrote: »

'Most' jettas are basic, so are 'most' octavias.



So you'd rather have a mechanically identical Skoda?

Well I definitely wouldnt want to have the VW label on my car.

Bpmull

colm_mcm wrote: »

'Most' jettas are basic, so are 'most' octavias.



So you'd rather have a mechanically identical Skoda?

The vast majority of all octavias sold in Ireland were ambient spec or higher. I will agree that the ambient spec is far from top spec it still has trip computer, alloys fog lights electric windows mirrors etc. you can still easily pick up a elegance spec they are far from gold dust and for 12k you will get elegance spec. I really don't know about the jettas spec but any Jetta I have ever seen was basic probably less than a quarter of jettas had fog lights which is quite a basic thing on a car of its price but obviously a classic spec Octavia had nothing on it but I doubt anyone is going to spend 12k on a classic Octavia and few were sold in Ireland anyway.

Barry Barry

looters wrote: »

Will buy a skoda Octavia, budget around 12k....best cars available at the moment.
Better then all these overpriced volswakens everyone seems to be driving.

Skoda is basically VW.

Sure the B 5.5 passat is identical to the Superb.

colm_mcm

Wouldn't most 2012 Octavias be 1.6 TDI?

Or are you thinking of getting a different engine in it?

jimmycrackcorm

Volkswagens and Toyotas are two brands I'd never buy. Basic and practical is all.

Bpmull

RoverJames wrote: »

How much and what miles were on it ?

3.5k euro late 2005 160k km. but if you seen the car it is pristine no marks scratches. You would buy them cheaper but this one had everything done to it in terms of timming belt was changed, brake pads done it also has full skoda service history. Probably mightened seem really cheap on paper but my dad choose to pay a bit more for a really well minded car.

Supergurrier

Has the OP actually owned an Octavia at any stage ? I had one for 5 years and while it was an ok car the spec/build quality was nothing compared to the Passat/A4 of the same generation

mfceiling

looters wrote: »

Well I definitely wouldnt want to have the VW label on my car.

But you are happy enough to have vw engines and running gear under a different guise?

looters

The thing I really dont like about VWs mainly is that they are in fashion right now.

People will pay silly prices for the car, just because it has a badge on it. They wont listen when I tell them how pointless it is.

Bpmull

Supergurrier wrote: »

Has the OP actually owned an Octavia at any stage ? I had one for 5 years and while it was an ok car the spec/build quality was nothing compared to the Passat/A4 of the same generation

You can't really compare a Octavia to a passat a4 as a Octavia is 22k new for top spec a passat a4 is at least 32k euro.

Mr Simpson

looters wrote: »

Well I definitely wouldnt want to have the VW label on my car.

What are you talking about? You're saying you wouldn't want the VW label because they're overpriced. Yet you're willing to pay more for an octavia over a jetta, despite the fact they're pretty much the same car with both the entry level models having similar spec? Madness.

Stheno

looters wrote: »

The thing I really dont like about VWs mainly is that they are in fashion right now.

People will pay silly prices for the car, just because it has a badge on it. They wont listen when I tell them how pointless it is.

But have you not read the post pointing out that a Jetta, which is on the same chassis as a Skoda is cheaper at the moment?

Supergurrier

Bpmull wrote: »

You can't really compare a Octavia to a passat a4 as a Octavia is 22k new for top spec a passat a4 is at least 32k euro.

Budget is 12k OP isn't buying a new car regardless, but hey maybe they can drive one of each and actually make up theie mind that way w/o going on a reverse badge snobbery rant that makes no sense :pac:

looters

Stheno wrote: »

But have you not read the post pointing out that a Jetta, which is on the same chassis as a Skoda is cheaper at the moment?

What you all have to realise is it comes down to knowing class.

Having driven both I can tell you that VW are very poor cars. The Octavias are the best and most affordable diesels out there though.

Supergurrier

looters wrote: »

What you all have to realise is it comes down to knowing class.

Having driven both I can tell you that VW are very poor cars. The Octavias are the best and most affordable diesels out there though.

They are the exact same car mechanically, you do know you can remove the VW badge right ?

colm_mcm

Looters, Are seats better or worse than VWs

Mr Simpson

looters wrote: »

What you all have to realise is it comes down to knowing class.

Having driven both I can tell you that VW are very poor cars. The Octavias are the best and most affordable diesels out there though.

No, they're really not very poor cars at all.

Supergurrier

colm_mcm wrote: »

Are seats better or worse than vws?

They have spanish flair and passion on their side surely :rolleyes:

Stheno

looters wrote: »

What you all have to realise is it comes down to knowing class.

Having driven both I can tell you that VW are very poor cars. The Octavias are the best and most affordable diesels out there though.

I've driven both and didn't find much difference to be honest

colm_mcm wrote: »

Looters, Are seats better or worse than VWs

Same colm imo

Bpmull

I don't really think jettas are that much cheaper over octavias. Ultimately octavias are still a great value diesel and if you want to buy a elegance spec Octavia you will be long time looking for the equivalent spec Jetta which is cheaper than an Octavia. Maybe if you compare bottom spec cars the Jetta would be cheaper due to the fact that most jettas sold were base mid specs at best. I don't think the op is looking for a basic car and imagine the op want to spend 12k on an elegance spec Octavia with all the bells and whistles.

colm_mcm

Supergurrier wrote: »

They have spanish flair and passion on their side surely :rolleyes:

Therefore vicariously so has skoda in the case of the Rapid

Stheno

colm_mcm wrote: »

Therefore vicariously so has skoda in the case of the Rapid

DUH I read seats as those chairs in a car upon which you sit :rolleyes:

I test drove a leon while owning a golf and preferred the leon by a country mile.

Mr Simpson

Stheno wrote: »

DUH I read seats as those chairs in a car upon which you sit :rolleyes:

I test drove a leon while owning a golf and preferred the leon by a country mile.

As did I, thought I was missing something

colm_mcm

Stheno wrote: »

I test drove a leon while owning a golf and preferred the leon by a country mile.

If it weren't for the awful dashboard I'd have probably bought a Leon

Stheno

colm_mcm wrote: »

If it weren't for the awful dashboard I'd have probably bought a Leon

I liked the sense of space in it over the golf enough to seriously consider it. It just seemed far better laid out

belcampprisoner

vws are pieces of crap reliability buy jap cars

but i noticed on a web site honda has lots of problems


i read skoda uses vw parts


http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2007-09-14/skoda-volkswagens-hot-growth-enginebusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice

belcampprisoner

belcampprisoner wrote: »

vws are pieces of crap reliability buy jap cars

but i noticed on a web site honda has lots of problems


i read skoda uses vw parts


http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2007-09-14/skoda-volkswagens-hot-growth-enginebusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice

Seriously? :eek:

Stheno

belcampprisoner wrote: »

vws are pieces of crap reliability buy jap cars

but i noticed on a web site honda has lots of problems


i read skoda uses vw parts


http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2007-09-14/skoda-volkswagens-hot-growth-enginebusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice

Dear sweet whatever :eek:

These motoring forums are class, you can learn so much on them.

166man

RoverJames wrote: »

Are you asking me? As you disagree with pretty much all of my points I can't see why you'd be asking me anything tbh.

As I've said imo they're as overpriced 2nd hand as any VW, due no doubt to demand, demand driven by many who don't really have a clue what value is.

Regarding them being an excellent all round car they are much in the same way the Carina was imo, the Carina of the 90s looked a lot better though

Oops sorry, forgot how pointless it is asking you anything!

I think they're an excellent all round car and can easily see why people buy them. They do what is needed of them in most aspects very well.

13spanner

belcampprisoner wrote: »

vws are pieces of crap reliability buy jap cars

+1 for the Japanese reliability angle. Hard to beat Toyota or Nissan in those stakes, almost bulletproof.

Not so sure that the VW brand as a whole can be written off as crap though