Fast, affordable cars with small engines

NinjaK

Just wondering if there are any about. Something like a type r ek9, nothing more than 1.6, max 5,000 euro.

NinjaK

not a fan of those!

NinjaK

actually looking at the new tax rates nothing over 1.4! Think ill get a bike!!

Toyotafanboi

frigging get a glanza :P

dodderangler

OSI wrote: »

Won't get faster than a Mini Cooper S at that price and engine size.

Not a fan of them meself
Very much a hairdressers car
Old mini cooper with type r engine
Now that's fast

hi5

I had a 900cc fiat cinquecento. it was fast or maybe it just felt fast:)

Ded_Zebra

Toyota Levin and save the extra money!

1.6 165BHP and 6 speed

I always get about 40MPG out of mine too. I really don't think you can go faster for less money including buying the car, tax, servicing etc etc.

kyote00

How about a R5 turbo....if you mind it - it will probably increase in value over the next 10 years

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4151887

(lose the awful wheels and de-pimp it a bit and you have the perfect sleeper)

bijapos

R5 Turbo is the one that I thought of, fats in a straight line and easily tuned.

Peugeot 205 Gti with the 1.6 engine, a good one won't lose it's value, which will more than offset the extra tax. Make sure it's accident free, be prepared to spend a few more quid on one that's been well looked after.

A well looked after Mazda MX-5 picked up at a proper price will hold it's value too, to hell with the image, they're a great drivers car.

CianRyan

OSI wrote: »

Won't get faster than a Mini Cooper S at that price and engine size.

Well an EK9 is definitely faster than the Cooper S.

This looks clean, bar the painted front grill.
There was an N1 floating around recently. If you can find it, get that!

Wils110

106 gti 120 bhp realistically maybe a hundred after the few years wear..redicolously fast

CianRyan

Sitec wrote: »

Civic EK4 is fun too and a lot cheaper to insure than a EK9. Not a huge difference in power either.

This is true, doesn't take a lot to give it the same power either.

markoire

N1 should be quicker than cooper s and ek9. corsa opc should be within price range soon. one of those with a simple remap would be seriously quick!

dodderangler

Another car I just thought about
What bout the daihatsu charade?
Drove one before and the speed is pretty ridiculous for a car of its size
Hard to find one in good condition tho

Gosub

My son has a Golf Mk5 GT. It's 1.4 and delivers 170 BHP with a turbo and a supercharger... all standard kit. It feels like my other son's GTI to drive. Quick as sh¡t off a shovel. If you feel like taking it easy it's very economical as well.

shanec1928

Gosub wrote: »

My son has a Golf Mk5 GT. It's 1.4 and delivers 170 BHP with a turbo and a supercharger... all standard kit. It feels like my other son's GTI to drive. Quick as sh¡t off a shovel. If you feel like taking it easy it's very economical as well.

the op has a max budget of 5k..

Gosub

shanec1928 wrote: »

the op has a max budget of 5k..

OK guilty... here in Spain that would be doable. I'm not as clued up on the Irish market as I should be.

johndaman66

dodderangler wrote: »

Another car I just thought about
What bout the daihatsu charade?
Drove one before and the speed is pretty ridiculous for a car of its size
Hard to find one in good condition tho

Charade GTti? Not slow but as rare as hens teeth at this stage I'd imagine.

Noel Kinsella

RX7 has a 1.3 wankel engine ! 160+ bhp ! Should be taxed as a 1.3 but its not I am told ! the only car in Ireland thats not taxed on engine size ? They get u every way :-) I an not 100% of my facts but just trying to help.

partyatmygaff

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

RX7 has a 1.3 wankel engine ! 160+ bhp ! Should be taxed as a 1.3 but its not I am told ! the only car in Ireland thats not taxed on engine size ? They get u every way :-) I an not 100% of my facts but just trying to help.

With the tax and petrol/maintenance costs of one of those things, you'd probably find it more affordable to drive a big petrol with a standard four stroke.

Noel Kinsella

partyatmygaff wrote: »

With the tax and petrol/maintenance costs of one of those things, you'd probably find it more affordable to drive a big petrol with a standard four stroke.

They should be taxed as a 1.3 but thats life, what is the tax on an RX7 anybody know ? And yes they are savages on juice about 20mpg :-)

CianRyan

They're not as fragile as people like to think, just look after them as you should anything and it'll be grand.
Finding a clean one is the problem.

Fuh Q

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

They should be taxed as a 1.3 but thats life, what is the tax on an RX7 anybody know ? And yes they are savages on juice about 20mpg :-)

Most RX-7's are 1.7 tax, some have been successfully taxed as 1.3 after negotiations with vehicle reg office.

Fuh Q

dodderangler wrote: »

Another car I just thought about
What bout the daihatsu charade?
Drove one before and the speed is pretty ridiculous for a car of its size
Hard to find one in good condition tho

1.6 GTi - http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4269131

dodderangler

johndaman66 wrote: »

Charade GTti? Not slow but as rare as hens teeth at this stage I'd imagine.

Yes very rare
Even rarer to find in a good condition

Littlehorny

Are the Alfa Romeo 147's quick? They are all 1.6s and 5k would buy you a minter, possibly with leather and other extras.

dodderangler

Littlehorny wrote: »

Are the Alfa Romeo 147's quick? They are all 1.6s and 5k would buy you a minter, possibly with leather and other extras.

At end of the day
It's still a fiat

Littlehorny

Littlehorny wrote: »

Are the Alfa Romeo 147's quick?.........

The suspension wears quick.

Noel Kinsella

dodderangler wrote: »

At end of the day
It's still a fiat

Same could be said of FERRARI ! its all the one company. Alfa`s can be ok if they have a FULL service history and have been well minded otherwise avoid as they can be a bit soft and a money pit.

bladespin

dodderangler wrote: »

At end of the day
It's still a fiat

Yep, they've made some of the fastest and funnest cars in the world over the years.

dodderangler

bladespin wrote: »

Yep, they've made some of the fastest and funnest cars in the world over the years.

So has Toyota
But least the Toyota didn't fall apart
In saying that I know a lad that had a fiat UNO an old yoke that was for the track and he couldn't kill it couldn't fault it

Tea 1000

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

They should be taxed as a 1.3 but thats life, what is the tax on an RX7 anybody know ? And yes they are savages on juice about 20mpg :-)

The RX7 is taxed as a 1.7 and they're putting out around 265bhp, they're turbo charged, and quick.

Tea 1000

dodderangler wrote: »

At end of the day
It's still a fiat

Ya, and VW is just a Hitler car. What's your point?
Punto's came in a 1.4 turbo also. Quick car too. Mitsubishi Mirage Mivec would be fairly quick.

dodderangler

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Ya, and VW is just a Hitler car. What's your point?
Punto's came in a 1.4 turbo also. Quick car too. Mitsubishi Mirage Mivec would be fairly quick.

Had the lancer mivec
Was a great car and pretty quick easily take on the dohc civics not type r though
Mivecs in this country are ruined
Same as most jap cars
Great cars that ended up in wrong hands

Eoin

NinjaK wrote: »

actually looking at the new tax rates nothing over 1.4! Think ill get a bike!!

The odds are that the difference in motor tax is going to be one of the smaller costs for you to worry about.

For instance, I reckon you could easily pay a bit extra to insure a small, fast car than it would to insure one with a bigger engine which isn't considered as high a risk by the insurers.

dodderangler wrote: »

At end of the day
It's still a fiat

*sigh*

bladespin

dodderangler wrote: »

So has Toyota
But least the Toyota didn't fall apart

Really? They're not as bulletproof as some might think, especially the 'cooking' cars, that said a corolla will go on forever just about but again it'll never be Italian or fun, guess it's the price you pay.

CianRyan

bladespin wrote: »

Really? They're not as bulletproof as some might think, especially the 'cooking' cars, that said a corolla will go on forever just about but again it'll never be Italian or fun, guess it's the price you pay.

Yeah, any of the AE chassises will never be fun, sounds about right.

fergal.b

I had a fiat uno turbo i.e 1.4 a few years ago, ugly looking car but it could move

John_Rambo

dodderangler wrote: »

At end of the day
It's still a fiat

What happened to Motor enthusiasm?

johndaman66

Tea 1000 wrote: »

The RX7 is taxed as a 1.7 and they're putting out around 265bhp, they're turbo charged, and quick.

And a very strong appetite for oil apparently.

ugglasdav

even a simple 1.2 punto sporting are not the slowest of cars, good on petrol and cheap tax

gctest50

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/daihatsu-charade-gtti-turbo-type-r-civic-vti-defender/1005208324


http://www.fusion-motorsport.co.uk/customer-cars/73-yasers-charade-gtti-revisited-245bhp.html

http://www.fusion-motorsport.co.uk/customer-cars/50-yasers-2288-bhp-daihatsu-charade-gtt-track-car.html

Barry Barry

I'd be looking at this,


http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/4153721

On Classic tax and insurance

dgt

dodderangler wrote: »

At end of the day
It's still a fiat

What's your point? Enlighten me

dodderangler wrote: »

So has Toyota
But least the Toyota didn't fall apart

How about the KP60 Starlet that ripped out its real axle when new? Or the KP90 that deployed it's bags when driving normally?

Barry Barry

Barry Barry wrote: »

I'd be looking at this.......

2.0 though so not within the OPs criteria.

How that's not rotten I'll never know, the folks bought a 1985 Ritmo in 1987 and it started to rust after a year or so. By 1996 it was like a sieve.

Ferris

Trawling donedeal found these:

Unusual: http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4027144

Smart roadster: http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4228926

Yaris: http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4171767

I

CianRyan

DAT STORIA. :eek:

Barry Barry

CianRyan wrote: »

DAT STORIA. :eek:

If it was toned down a little it'd be a nice yoke

Barry Barry

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Great motor but its not on Classic tax and wont be for a number of years.

RoverJames wrote: »

2.0 though so not within the OPs criteria.

How that's not rotten I'll never know, the folks bought a 1985 Ritmo in 1987 and it started to rust after a year or so. By 1996 it was like a sieve.

Oh, thought it was on Classic tax!

How old does a car have to be before it gets classic/vintage tax?

Ded_Zebra

Barry Barry wrote: »

Oh, thought it was on Classic tax!

How old does a car have to be before it gets classic/vintage tax?

30 years.

Barry Barry

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

30 years.

Aaaahhhhh, right so that leaves the Ritmo out of the bag so!